U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Reach 600K

600,000 people with COVID-19 have died in this this country. That is such an appalling number.

The World Health Organization says even people who have had COVID-19 should get vaccinated.

The virus has not gone away. The Delta variant is growing in the U.S. and elsewhere. We don't know if it's more dangerous, just that it's more transmissible. Meaning it's a fast spreader. The CDC has now declared it a "Variant of Concern". It thinks the current vaccines will be mostly effective against the variants, but that sounds more like hope than science. [More...]

I do not believe this country or the states within it will ever order another lockdown. The vaccines are essential for everyone because they protect others as well as themselves. Yet vaccine resistance is still a "thing" in some parts of the country (mostly rural Red states and those in certain professions (prison guards).

There are a lot of people who are not relieved that the vaccines are 90-95% effective because they believe they will be in the 5-10% group whom the vaccines fail to protect. While only 50% of people in the country have been vaccinated, we are being asked to assume everyone without a mask has been vaccinated, including people we don't know in elevators, airports, jails, office buildings etc. Social distancing used to be #3 in importance after washing your hands and masking. Now we're down just to wash your hands.

Our politicians have decided to put the economy over saving lives. The plan now is to learn to live with COVID-19 and its variants as if it's a seasonal flu and hope enough people get vaccinated so that the dangers of becoming super-sick or dying from it is as low as possible. We must now learn to cope with an "acceptable" level of risk of death. Instead of eradication, the U.S. has chosen a policy of accept and try to minimize. We'll see how that works out in the months ahead.

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    They are saying that (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 04:03:24 PM EST
    in states with high vaccination rates cases are going down and going up in states with low rates.

    I am 100% for forcing people to get vaccinated.  Kids have to be vaccinated to go to school.  Anyone who wants to work in a school or hospital or nursing home should be told get vaccinated or get another job.  The job market is said to be good.

    And I absolutely think any business owner should be able to say the same thing to keep their customers safe.  The fact states are passing laws to prevent this is insane.

    All that said I have no more f'cks to give about the anti vaxxers.   If they get it it's their own fault.  If they die it's there own fault.  Darwinism in action.

    yep. No more (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by leap on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 07:45:21 PM EST
    I know it seems callous, (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 05:44:38 PM EST
    but I wholeheartedly agree. Get vaccinated. If you don't. stay home and don't clog up the healthcare system because you are stupid.

    I have 11 more days before I can get vaccinated. I'm not going a single day beyond.


    A few days ago we only (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 01:51:33 AM EST
    Had 7 new cases on Montgomery County, and 1% positivity. He had some indoor dining. It was nice. For us though it is brief because here comes the Delta variant. Can't really risk it vaxxed or not. If I killed my son, I wouldn't want to be here anymore.

    I can't blame you (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 01:52:31 PM EST
    I would be wary, too.  Josh is in a vulnerable population.

    Yup, his lungs are precious (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 08:26:08 PM EST
    Every last square inch.

    The Mount did an incredible job testing waste water in each dorm every day. Sophomore dorm did end up in quarantined as the year ended. Josh dormed for fall and spring but they had very abbreviated semesters. Only in class one day a week, the rest was done online in their rooms. Both of his roommates were able to get vaccinated as quickly as he did. And they so specifically to keep him safe. Both graduated. It was hard not getting to go their graduation.

    Who knew though that the school Josh would choose would deal with a pandemic and be one of the most successful schools in managing the infection. They got two students before they were able to even transmit to anyone else in the fall.

    And Josh got allergies this spring, you wouldn't believe everything the clinic gave him. Even an albuterol inhaler. He is beloved there.

    How have you all faired?


    Kudos to the roommates. Very caring. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 11:00:03 PM EST
    We've been (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 07:00:00 PM EST
    Doing okay.  Now that we're all vaccinated, we feel a lot less stressed, although we're still careful.
    Daughter Zorba and her S.O. are coming for a visit next week.  They're vaccinated, too.

    How wonderful (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 07:57:59 PM EST
    Visits are so precious now.

    Masks are going away here... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 05:07:32 PM EST
    I went to Sprouts this morning and only about half of the people had masks on.  Even some of the staff went maskless.  Just last week absolutely everyone had a mask on.  They may think its over, but it ain't over yet, and may never be.

    Yep, same thing down here. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by fishcamp on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 09:46:04 AM EST
    Yesterday I went to Publics market and people were staring at me because I had a mask on.  Very few had masks and it's a large market.  The produce section is always crowded and unmasked people are continually leaning over others to grab something.  Scares me.

    Well, sweetie, (none / 0) (#7)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 01:51:09 PM EST
    You're in Florida.  Or as those of us who don't live there call it, "Floriduh."
    Although Mr. Zorba is happy to be able to travel there to go fishing now.

    even I would go to Florida now (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 03:00:19 AM EST
    (en route to the Bahamas or somewhere in South America). Any country where they value the elderly.

    Fishcamp, have you been to Tanzania?


    No Jeralyn I have not been to Tanzania. (none / 0) (#13)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 08:29:12 AM EST
    They do have the very beautiful and valuable blue  gemstones named Tanzanite.

    Same here (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 01:48:21 PM EST
    at my local store.  
    Our governor, who is a Republican "moderate" (supposedly), has declared the state of emergency over as of July 1.  That's just going to make it harder for businesses to impose mask requirements on staff and customers, even though they can.
    I'm sort of wondering what I will do if I'm accosted by some idiot berating me for wearing a mask (I have a bad heart, and am unwilling to take the chance that I'm in the 5-10% for whom the vaccine doesn't work).  I would ignore them, I guess, unless they get in my personal space.  In which case, maybe I'll smack them with my cane.  (Well, not really.)

    Definitely (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 10:36:45 AM EST
    Smack them with your cane if they don't go away after you ignore them.

    I walk with a cane. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 02:31:01 PM EST
    Not afraid to use it.

    A sword cane (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 08:53:20 PM EST
    is even better, or an electric cattle prod.

    The 2nd Amendment being so loosely interpreted these days, you should be alright.


    Two canes are good when injured. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 09:24:25 AM EST
    Several times back during my ski racing career I've used two canes after crutches.  You can move quite fast and it's easy to bat people out of the way.

    Earlier this year, (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by leap on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 01:47:26 PM EST
    when I was out walking my usual 4+ miles, a bro with a small butt and lycra racing outfit zoomed by me on his expensive bike--without warning--going 25-30 MPH. This is a paved, public trail used by walkers, bikers, skaters, along both sides of the river (two bridges for crossing), with posted signs all over of 10 MPH maximum speed. He scared the ¢r@p out of me and an older fellow with me who was poking along on his recumbent trike as we went up a slope. We both yelled at him to slow down and warn people! As we proceeded up the hill, here came that speeder again, coming downhill toward us, going even faster. We yelled again. About three minutes later, he whizzed past us again, going up the hill. Xrist on a crutch. The fellow on the trike continued on his way. When I got to the top of the hill, I saw the tiny-butted prick ≈150m away at the base of the slope, turning around at a mile-marker post, and coming in my direction again. I saw what he was doing: Trying to go up and down hills as fast as he could. Since I had time, I pulled out the trekking pole I carry on my little pack (to encourage snakes off the trail so they don't get run over, or killed by freaked-out dimwits). I extended the pole and was waiting for him. As he streaked passed, I whacked his rear wheel as hard as I could. The bike wobbled and he almost fell off. He turned his head, without stopping and yelled out, "Crazy bitch!" I returned a yell, "Fü¢king a$$hole!" I carry that moniker with pride.

    Trekking poles. The Swiss Army Knife for geezers.


    speaking as someone who is still dealing with the aftermath of multiple injuries from a bike accident that happened over 2 years ago at about 25 mph,
    I whacked his rear wheel as hard as I could. The bike wobbled and he almost fell off.

    had he actually fallen and gotten injured due to your premeditated and malicious actions you would have deserved whatever retribution that came your way.

    You carry that moniker with pride? Dude could have been seriously and permanently injured. Xrist on a crutch. Who do you think you are?


    the dude (none / 0) (#25)
    by leap on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 05:45:30 PM EST
    didn't have thoughts about the people he could have seriously injured, going 25 mph on a public trail. Screw him.

    I realize I am not talking to kindergardener here (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Peter G on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 08:05:16 PM EST
    but two wrongs do not make a right. True fact. His dangerous and heedless conduct did not justify yours. In my opinion.

    I'll never understand people like you. (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 06:34:19 PM EST
    I despise that people (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 17, 2021 at 08:00:03 PM EST
    Must be hypervigilant of being attacked for wearing a mask.

    I just returned from a funeral (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Peter G on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 03:30:18 PM EST
    for one of my best college professors, over 50 yrs ago. It was held at a conservative Jewish synagogue. Masks were mandatory for all, even though I would venture to guess that 90+% were vaccinated. There were about 125 in attendance (perhaps 1/3 full), and the rabbi mentioned that it was the largest number of persons who had been in the sanctuary at one time in nearly a year and a half.

    I have had only respectful (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 10:33:50 PM EST
    People near me during this pandemic. Not that I was out and about in any significant way until recently. But thankfully everyone has been respectful about masking and distance.

    I have never seen any unpleasantness (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 19, 2021 at 10:34:47 AM EST
    about masks or distancing.  Or heard of any locally.  It's the kind of confrontational thing almost everyone around here would cringe at.  

    They would rather stab you in your sleep than confront you in Walmart.  Bless their hearts.


    I just spit my coffee (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jun 20, 2021 at 10:52:33 AM EST
    The South!

    0.1% (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 06:32:20 PM EST
    Nearly All COVID-19 Deaths Are Among the Unvaccinated

    June 24, 2021 at 5:50 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 68 Comments

    Associated Press: "Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren't vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day -- now down to under 300 -- could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine."

    "Breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That's about 0.1%."

    Saw this (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 07:06:45 PM EST
    and also saw where 81% of Biden voters are vaccinated but only 45% of Trump voters.

    So lots of GOP/Trump voters apparently are dying off because they don't believe science and believe Trump.


    Sad! (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 07:21:51 PM EST
    The crack-brained populist (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 08:19:13 PM EST
    narrative still being aggressively pushed on venues like right-wing talk radio (America's own Radio Rwanda) is that it's only 'the old and the sick' who die from Covid..

    The old and the sick being nothing but a burden on the tribe of Christian hunter-gatherers anyway.


    Good thing no one noticed (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 08:39:52 PM EST
    the old and sick is the Republican base.

    By the time we are through the next flu season, from what you read, they are likely to be disabused of that idea.


    Of course, (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Zorba on Sat Jun 26, 2021 at 01:28:34 PM EST
    These idiots have no realization whatsoever that they will be old and sick some day, themselves.

    Maher needs to stop (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 08:41:47 PM EST
    spouting off about things he has the bare minimum of information about, regardless of how loudly his plants in the audience wildly applaud everything he says. He's devolving back into the libertarian frat boy he was on Politically Incorrect.

    A few months ago he was saying "Hey, people die, get over it." Now, after getting sick, he's not spouting off quite as much.


    Anyone have anything on how (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 18, 2021 at 02:14:12 PM EST
    Well J&J does with the Delta variant? I can find Astra and Moderna but not J&J

    Here is some info (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 21, 2021 at 03:50:46 PM EST
    But early research indicates that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is somewhat less effective than Pfizer and Moderna.

    Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former Food and Drug Administration commissioner said the Johnson & Johnson vaccine appears to be about 60% effective against the delta variant, while the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are about 88% effective after the second dose.


    Have seen the 60% number referenced on several sites.


    They must have put something in the water (none / 0) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 02:06:21 PM EST
    Missouri wasn't always ranked as one of the dumbest states in the union.

    Missouri becomes newest COVID-19 hot spot as variant spreads

    It ain't just Missouri.. (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 02:26:16 PM EST
    the dumbing-down is the cumulative effect of generations of people's emotional hot buttons being teased and tweaked at the expense of people's intellects being engaged in any serious, constructive way.

    The over-riding goal seems to be a nation of impulse-buyers of people, things, and overnight sensations.


    And idiot voters, (none / 0) (#34)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 24, 2021 at 03:23:21 PM EST
    Don't forget.  Easy to fool and vote for your idiot candidates.