Donald Trump and His Emails

Donald Trump is on a downward legal spiral. But oh, the irony, if he goes down on emails after all the years he spent maligning Hillary and urging she be "locked up" over her emails.

The report in the New York Times today about how he tried to pressure Assistant AG Jeffrey Rosen (who later became Acting Attorney General) to support his baseless claim of election fraud is very damaging.

Are the emails the final nail? (They are available here). The Times says the emails show:

Mr. Trump pressured Mr. Rosen to put the power of the Justice Department behind lawsuits that had already failed to try to prove his false claims that extensive voter fraud had affected the election results.


They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump’s frenzied drive to subvert the election results in the final weeks of his presidency, including ratcheting up pressure on the Justice Department. And they show that Mr. Trump flouted an established anticorruption norm that the Justice Department acts independently of the White House on criminal investigations or law enforcement actions, a gap that steadily eroded during Mr. Trump’s term.

I am beginning to believe that Donald Trump may not escape the consequences of his misdeeds after all. I hope he doesn't try and get his legal fees paid by taxpayers.

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    Initially, (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 04:46:40 PM EST
    I was of the opinion that, in the interest of the country, it would be best to let him skate.  As unpalatable as that was, my thinking was that imprisoning The Former Guy would trigger a civil war/guerilla war by his wacko diehards. And, he had done enough damage, we needed no more.

    And,too, maybe by holding every underling accountable, including his dullard spawn and their mates, that would be a reasonable accommodation and deterrent for the future democratic health of the country.

    However, I laid down for a while and let that feeling pass--which it did in no time flat. The risk to the country is greater in letting his alleged crimes slide than pursuing them vigorously through the criminal justice system. He is the national boil that needs to be lanced for healing and recovery to occur. And, the irony of "his emails" is too much not to chant this opinion to the tune of "Lock Him Up."

    And (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 05:03:04 PM EST
    He is an ongoing threat.  More every day.

    So disappointing (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by smott on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 07:44:56 AM EST

    I do not want to hear (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 01:58:39 PM EST
    the whole "look forward, not back" horse manure.
    I'm sick of it.  Keep investigating and going after them to the fullest extent of the law.

    We all have (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 20, 2021 at 07:25:50 AM EST
    Obama-itis and don't want a repeat of the begging/pleading cycle of politics and/or the "turn the page" Obama strategy that proved disastrous for the country.

    Fortunately some seem to have gotten the message.


    Interesting read (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 20, 2021 at 09:15:04 AM EST
    the rise of the barstool Republican

    "I am voting for Donald Trump. I don't care if he's a joke. I don't care if he's racist. I don't care if he's sexist. I don't care about any of it. I hope he stays in the race and I hope he wins. Why? Because I love the fact that he is making other politicians squirm. I love the fact he says sh-t nobody else will say, regardless of how ridiculous it is."

    No points for guessing the author: Dave Portnoy, birthing the Barstool Republican with a single 200-word blog post. Trump transformed the political landscape by tapping into a powerful desire for freedom from criticism or censure -- a desire that Portnoy shared, and which has only grown more intense and widespread as the panopticon of social media becomes the primary stage for not just national politics, but civic life at every level.

    tRumpism (5.00 / 6) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jun 20, 2021 at 10:02:21 AM EST
    in a nutshell; "I'm an a-hole and proud of it".

    The most dangerous variant (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 20, 2021 at 03:26:24 PM EST
    Fujimori Cries Electoral Fraud In Peru

    June 20, 2021 at 3:33 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 46 Comments

    The Guardian: "With 100% of the official vote counted, leftist Pedro Castillo had 50.12% - and advantage of about 44,000 votes over his far-right rival Keiko Fujimori. But Fujimori has claimed fraud, challenging about 500,000 votes, calling for half to be annulled, and obliging officials at Peru's electoral board to reexamine ballots - despite the lack of evidence of wrongdoing."

    "Two weeks after the election, which national and international observers said was transparent, the stance of Keiko Fujimori - the daughter of jailed 1990s autocrat Alberto Fujimori - has emboldened the far right, who have vowed not to accept the election results..."

    "Apparently inspired by Donald Trump's refusal to accept defeat at the US elections, Fujimori has led a string of marches against `fraud' telling supporters at one rally: `The election will be flipped, dear friends.'"

    That's been my opinion of the (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 21, 2021 at 08:46:38 AM EST
    MAGA cult from day one. It's why I have nothing to do with any of them. Former friends, acquaintances, whoever.

    Look, if you admire the likes of tRump, Gaetz, Greene, Boebert, Gosar, etc., that says something about you. If these are the people you look up to and believe should be involved in government, that says something about who you are and what kind of person you are. And that is someone I want nothing to do with. To not be around. To not engage with in any form or fashion.


    If you have Trumpers (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 21, 2021 at 10:36:45 AM EST
    in your family it becomes less simple.  

    I want nothing to do with. To not be around. To not engage with in any form or fashion

    Check.  Still.  Less simple.


    Family. Not family. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 21, 2021 at 12:39:38 PM EST
    I have no problem eliminating people I don't like from my life.

    My family has never been close so it's easy for me to say that. When my father died, I hadn't spoken to him in 4 years. We weren't friends.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 21, 2021 at 04:20:14 PM EST
    I get it. Fortunately the Trumpers in the family do not live in GA. Sadly one is my mother (I think anyway) and I just try to steer her away from any of "those" conversations.

    Bottom line (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 21, 2021 at 04:32:22 PM EST
    I'm 70.  I may need some of those people at some point more than they need me.  

    And in my world it's not just the crazy uncle I see on holidays.  I'm the crazy uncle you see at holidays.

    I'm not prepared to isolate myself that much.  They don't seem to hold it against me so I try to be at least as big.  

    Also it's easy to say have nothing to do with them.  But, beyond family, it's a lot of people.  It's hard to imagine how the world will work if everyone just throws rocks from their personal bubble.

    I've been seeing a lot of tv news from days past.  Not that far past.  It's easy to say it's never been this bad but it has.  Fire hoses, dogs, lynchings, civil war.  There has always been a divide.  We have just gotten better at papering over it.

    America.  Live it or live with it.
                         - Firesign Theater.


    I don't think he is going to escape (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 03:55:16 PM EST
    There have been several proverbial final nails.   Seeing him sent down the river by the Supreme Court he packed would be sweet.  

    I think he is going to be drawn into the conspiracy charges that have been discussed for some of the insurrectionists.  How could he not?  The simple fact is it would never have happened if not for him.  He told them to do it.  And with the mounting evidence of his extensive efforts to corrupt the election I really think he may have even bigger problems than tax, bank and mail fraud and Cy Vance.

    I wonder if our relationship (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 16, 2021 at 03:00:23 PM EST
    with Putin and Russia will change.  I would not be surprised if they improved.  I think Putin is smart enough to want it to change.  

    They said Biden wanted to make this trip about everyone else, including Russia, against China.  Something Putin might understand.  

    The ambassadors are returning.  That's good.