Sunday Open Thread

Is anyone going maskless here?

I used to say about Wordperfect that they'd have to pry it out of my dead hand before I changed to Microsoft Word. That's how I feel about my mask. I'm still going to wear it and I won't be shopping at any grocery store or butcher where either the employees or customers are not masked.

As for restaurants: Just the thought of an unmasked worker handling my food and breathing over convinces me it's not time to eat at an indoor or outdoor restaurant yet.

With the large numbers of law enforcement and prison guards refusing to take the vaccine, and the government claiming they don't have the right to demand they get one, I'm not feeling any safer today than I did two weeks ago or a month ago. [More...]

Numbers of cases are rising in several states, and Colorado is still considered high risk. Yesterday, the Colorado Dept. of Public Health reported 1 n 81 Coloradans are presently infected with COVID.

After watching so many (mostly young) Americans flout the rules starting last Memorial Day, does anyone trust them to tell the truth when they enter your elevator and you ask if they've been vaccinated?

I think another Memorial Day will tell the story. Another Sturgis, beach partiers in Virginia and Florida, and then the outdoor concerts, and Boulder, CO. By the fourth of July, those over 70 will probably be told to lock down except for groceries and medical appointments. For everyone else, it will be party on.

Moving on: I think the Republican party has joined a cult. They are going to follow their unelected leader to the bitter end. They may all fall down the rabbit hole together. Trump will become the Wizard of Oz and Rudy and Matt Gaetz will be the Pied Pipers leading their throngs of followers to Oz' house. Of course, Oz will be not be there, he lost his marbles long ago. All the crowd will find are three incompetent petulant spoiled children pulling the strings of their marionette father, repeating what they heard him say in the past.

Anything that touches Donald Trump turns to rust immediately. He thinks if he causes enough division in the Republican Party, he becomes the spoiler and will be awarded the leadership role by default, which of course means he will insist his children carry on his tarnished legacy and become candidates for positions for which they are devoid of qualifications.

Donald Trump reminds me of spoiled garbage at this point. My instinct when his name appears in print is to hold my nose. Spoiled garbage is rotten, no matter whose it is and what part of the country the landfill it lays in is located.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    The Republican Party (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Zorba on Sun May 16, 2021 at 04:46:33 PM EST
    Hasn't joined a cult, J.  They are the cult.

    That was then (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Repack Rider on Sun May 16, 2021 at 09:29:46 PM EST
    Old GOP: "The violent people who stormed the U.S. Capitol on 1/6 were Antifa and BLM conducting a false flag operation to tarnish Trump voters."

    New GOP: "The Trump supporters touring the Capitol on 1/6 were not violent."

    I had both my shots (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Repack Rider on Sun May 16, 2021 at 09:30:42 PM EST
    I still wear a mask in public, to show solidarity with Trump's victims.

    Thanks for dispelling the rumor... (2.00 / 3) (#106)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 21, 2021 at 04:11:06 PM EST
    ...that wearing masks is political.

    Just to clarify (5.00 / 3) (#107)
    by jondee on Fri May 21, 2021 at 05:47:31 PM EST
    he's not referring to the chumps Trump conned into voting for him and into invading the Capital.

    I don't think.


    It's only a mask (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by Repack Rider on Sun May 23, 2021 at 09:39:35 PM EST
    If YOU think it's political, that is YOUR reality.

    It isn't mine. I wear it because it shows THAT I CARE.


    Yeah, it is about (5.00 / 3) (#120)
    by MKS on Mon May 24, 2021 at 06:59:46 PM EST
    caring about other people and trying to help others.  Trumpites are wedded to their eff you attitude.  

    These people remind me of junior high school idiots.  


    Funny (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by Yman on Tue May 25, 2021 at 02:44:24 PM EST
    Supporters of the orange ignoramus trying to blame others for making masks political.  It's like they have no memory of how he poliicized masks and they followed him ... or a sense of irony ... or shame.  

    But at least they have a sense of humor.


    Projection and deflection are (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by Peter G on Tue May 25, 2021 at 07:32:31 PM EST
    the name of the gaslighting game.

    He's actually our third grandson, who was born right at the outset of the pandemic in March 2020, and then the airlines shut down the day before we were to head to Honolulu for a visit. With the quarantine rules now lifted on air travel for fully vaccinated people, we flew over there this past Friday afternoon. He's now 14 months old, and a reminder of a past 14 months which none of us will likely ever forget.

    nope. I've had both Pfizer shots, but I'm taking (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by cpinva on Mon May 17, 2021 at 06:39:52 AM EST
    no chances. the mask will stay on until herd status is provably reached.

    Might be prudent in a lot of circumstances (none / 0) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 18, 2021 at 08:11:26 AM EST
    Several family friends who were fully vaccinated participated in a wedding this month and then tested positive for the virus. All were young adults and no one got really sick but we seem to be hearing about more cases like this.

    Covid in schools (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Coral on Mon May 17, 2021 at 08:46:06 AM EST
    My husband went back to teaching school in person a month or so ago. About 90% of teachers are vaccinated. The ones not vaccinated are either resistant, or haven't gotten around to doing it.

    The kids in the classes for autistic and emotionally disturbed have trouble wearing masks. Occasionally the teachers in those classes don't remember to keep their own masks on.

    It's elementary school, so kids aren't vaccinated. Several cases have been identified in the last few weeks, and several kids are pretty sick--and at home tuning in remotely if possible. This is anecdotal, but until everyone is vaccinated it is important to mask in public spaces.

    And this is MA, which has a pretty good record on vaccines.

    My daughter works with special needs (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 18, 2021 at 08:15:00 AM EST
    preschoolers and they are back to teaching in person. She is fully vaccinated and plans to keep wearing her mask.

    47% of republicans are fine with cheating (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 02:12:46 PM EST
    and fine with admitting they are fine with it.

    A new CBS News/YouGov poll finds 53% if Republicans think the party should focus on messaging to expand its appeal, while 47% think the party should focus on changing voting rules to try to win with the voters it has.

    these people are the problem.  Mitch, Kevin, Matt, even Trump are just plants growing toward the light.

    Or they could do both.. (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Mon May 17, 2021 at 04:37:42 PM EST
    like the Reagan era, with Hallmark greeting card ads about Morning In America along with the dirty tricks and October Surprises.

    50% of the people you know (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon May 17, 2021 at 04:44:45 PM EST
    are below average

    That's not actually true, (none / 0) (#35)
    by Peter G on Mon May 17, 2021 at 06:28:47 PM EST
    I don't think. Depends on what circles you travel in.

    Made me smile.

    This reporting (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 17, 2021 at 04:48:25 PM EST
    is encouraging---just 47%.   I would have thought it much higher.  Of course, focusing on messaging to expand appeal does not necessarily infer changing policy.--just the re-messaging for their deplorablism

    CBS (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 17, 2021 at 05:36:22 PM EST
    News Poll of GOP:  Is Joe Biden the legitimate president? 33% yes; 67% no.  

    GOP should follow Trump on:
    economic issues, 89%, immigration issues, 88%, Leadership, 80%, how to treat media, 77%.

    Democrats reaching out to Republicans in Congress is not bipartisanship, as much as it is collaboration with fascists.


    Here (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 17, 2021 at 05:45:51 PM EST
    is the link to the CBS poll.

    More (none / 0) (#39)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 17, 2021 at 07:55:34 PM EST
    like fungi sporing on a dung pile, but I see your point. Of course the GOP has been laying down these dung piles for years so it's very much a symbiotic relationship.

    This seems good (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 08:17:39 AM EST
    Rep. Val Demings (D-FL) plans to run for U.S. Senate against Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) in 2022, CNN reports.

    Politico: "For months, Demings mulled which statewide office to pursue, but decided she could do the most good by taking on the two-term senator."

    Most ominous threat to Roe v Wade (and (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Peter G on Mon May 17, 2021 at 03:37:17 PM EST
    Planned Parenthood v Casey) evah. This is not a drill.

    2022 (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 06:55:28 AM EST
    Justices Throw Abortion Into 2022 Election Picture

    May 20, 2021 at 7:32 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 11 Comments

    "Within hours of the Supreme Court accepting a case that could lead it to overturn or scale back a landmark abortion rights ruling, Senator Michael Bennet, a Colorado Democrat facing re-election next year, issued a dire warning to supporters: The fate of Roe v Wade is on the line," the New York Times reports

    "His declaration was among the first in a quickly intensifying clash over abortion, long a defining issue to many voters but one likely to gain additional prominence as the court weighs the possibility of rolling back the constitutional protections it provided to abortion rights in Roe 48 years ago."

    Looks like Philadelphia's "progressive (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Peter G on Tue May 18, 2021 at 11:20:19 PM EST
    DA," my old friend Larry Krasner, has won re-election, that is, he appears to be ahead almost 2-1 in the Democratic primary. His opponent was a former homicide prosecutor (and perpetrator of wrongful convictions and coverups) from the "old guard," heavily backed by the FOP. Since D's outnumber R's about 7-1 in the City (and particularly as the Republican nominee is a clown), the winner of the Democratic primary is basically a shoe-in for November.

    Not over (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 08:41:51 AM EST
    This is a FB Post from a work friend.  He's probably late 20s by now and lives in the Bay area.  Yesterday.

    My poor family is going through hell and back right now. 3 people were sick... 1 passed away last night...one they are telling us there is no hope( Covid) .... and the 3rd has already outlived the 3 months the doctors gave him back at Thanksgiving....man 2020 for sure sucked... but 2021... is brutal right now.

    Posts that I have seen (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 10:04:03 AM EST
    From Alabama are similar. It is hitting the vax shunning families hard.

    Check out this interesting (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by oculus on Sun May 23, 2021 at 03:42:25 PM EST
    "long read" in today's NYT:  How Humanity Gave Itself an Extra Life  

    Sorry no link, as I lost my former proficiency. Also, paywall likely

    here (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by leap on Sun May 23, 2021 at 04:25:20 PM EST
    NYT link

    (trash your cookies)


    Even though the vandals took the handles (5.00 / 5) (#114)
    by Peter G on Mon May 24, 2021 at 09:26:06 AM EST
    It is Bob Dylan's 80th birthday. My favorite line:  "To live outside the law, you must be honest. I know you always said that you agree; so, where are you tonight, sweet Marie?" Salute him when his birthday comes.

    Already? Time do fly. (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by desertswine on Mon May 24, 2021 at 12:50:49 PM EST
    And (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Zorba on Mon May 24, 2021 at 02:28:12 PM EST
    The times, they are a' changing.

    I certainly hope so (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Peter G on Mon May 24, 2021 at 03:50:38 PM EST
    relative to the last four years.

    My Favorite Is: (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by RickyJim on Mon May 24, 2021 at 03:59:47 PM EST
    Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

    I think I'm gettin it (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 24, 2021 at 04:35:41 PM EST
    Ignacio (2.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Ignacioalbz on Wed May 26, 2021 at 09:19:19 PM EST
    Dude, if you are very worried about the virus and it bothers you that people do not wear masks, you should stay home. Why do you keep thinking about donald? Do not obsess. Regards

    Grim (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 16, 2021 at 04:58:39 PM EST
    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel said there was no clear end in sight to the violence between Israel and Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the New York Times reports.

    Said Netanyahu: "We'll do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet."

    I believe Netanyahu's (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 17, 2021 at 01:49:29 PM EST
    "Whatever it takes" is the extermination of all Palestinians.

    Yeah or at the very least (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Tue May 18, 2021 at 03:43:25 PM EST
    the continuation of a nakedly totalitarian approach to dealing with the Palestinians -- an approach heavily subsidized by the land of Freedom and Liberty, the good old USA.

    Maybe it's time people put to bed that "only democracy in the ME" nonsense trope once and for all. I'm looking at you, Bill Maher.


    It's interesting that in decades (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Tue May 18, 2021 at 03:58:44 PM EST
    being on the air Maher has never once invited Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein onto his show.

    Greenwald was on once and called out Maher on his half-digested Christopher Hitchensisms and hasn't been heard from since.


    Correction (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Tue May 18, 2021 at 04:21:21 PM EST
    Maher had Chomsky on once in the early 2000s after the Iraq invasion. Since then he's been declared persona non grata as far as I can tell.

    City On A Hill (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 07:58:40 AM EST
    On SHOWTIME.  Anyone watching this?  I just finished the first season.  I liked it more than I expected to.

    I couldn't help myself (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CST on Mon May 17, 2021 at 05:37:00 PM EST
    I'm somewhat tired of the "Boston gangster era" genre of television but I also can't help myself. It was better than I expected too.

    One of the reasons the genre is tired is the incessant need for terrible accents.  You could make a similar show set in the present day and just not have accents. Kevin Bacon's accent was awful, he kept slipping between strong-Boston and strong-Philly which is much more jarring than just not doing an accent.  But the rest of the show was well done.


    I was hoping you would reply (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 05:51:16 PM EST
    One reason I like it is it is exactly when I was living in Boston.  I agree about Kevin.  But I also think he steals a lot of scenes.  But other than him it seems very authentic to me as an outsider that was only there for a while.

    It felt authentic to the past (none / 0) (#42)
    by CST on Mon May 17, 2021 at 09:53:10 PM EST
    Moreso than most, and it's the only one I've seen that even attempts to address race relations.  Most of them just pretend black Bostonians don't exist.

    Not sure if you're a fan of cartoons but the one that really hits that nostalgia button for me is "F is for Family".  About 15 min into the first episode I guessed the exact town (out of 351) it was from, even though it takes place about a decade before I was born.


    Also another season of (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 08:01:29 AM EST
    Love Death + Robots dropped on NETFLIX over the weekend.

    It's gorgeous.  The one about Santa had me laughing out loud all the way through.


    He is really watching it (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 10:07:41 AM EST
    When I'm sleeping.

    Have been (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 17, 2021 at 09:25:26 AM EST
    recording City.  Watched the first episode, good and looking forward to continuing.

    I don't know what it is about Boston ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 18, 2021 at 11:05:07 AM EST
    ... that makes the city a great setting for seedy and tawdry crime dramas, but it's got it in spades. I got hooked last year on "City On a Hill." Glad to see that it's back.

    Saving this one too (none / 0) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 10:06:36 AM EST
    Kevin Bacon's character is obviously exceptional acting, but real life was too awful to entertain someone portraying real life awful so well. So I am saving it for a time when I can better appreciate his skills.

    UFOs are trending (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 08:35:23 AM EST
    Thank god Trump is no longer President (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 10:59:21 AM EST
    Trump being president and The Hair Guy being right at the same time would be too much to deal with

    But seriously (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 06:01:04 PM EST
    thats weird.  That New Yorker is long and kind of disturbing.

    Not (necessarily) because they are aliens but because they really don't know what they are.

    Just because the Pentagon doesn't know doesn't suggest aliens.  They also don't know what kind of weapon is being used on the diplomatic Corp and now on White House staff

    I haven't heard anyone suggest aliens.  
    The UFOs are probably Chinese.


    Science evolves, (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 17, 2021 at 11:59:15 AM EST
    and by definition, health advice will change as data emerges. Indeed, with the resources devoted to the pandemic, the science changes daily, and with it the recommendations for protection. Epidemiologists, who do not have access to the stream of data of the CDC, may not be in the position of the CDC.

    In the recent study
    st published May 14, the safety and effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines was presented with a high confidence level. A study at an Israel Medical Center provided evidence of the unlikeliness of the fully vaccination developing serious illness; most "breakthroughs" had no symptoms.

    However, unlikely, or very unlikely possibilities/probabilities are not the same as zero risk.  Those fully vaccinated who chose to continue to wear masks should not be discouraged from doing so. A part of epidemiology is dealing with uncertainties. There are rarely clear right or wrong answers when it comes to risks and benefits.

    The CDC provides guidance. Public health in this country is decentralized, so the "rules of the road" set by governmental bodies, health care providers, and others requiring masking will, of course, be adhered to. However, I also plan to shed masking in keeping with the CDC guidelines for the fully vaccinated.

    I took the CDC's advice to wear masks a year ago. I plan to take the CDC's advice now. Either you trust vaccines to reduce risk of disease, or you don't. All studies suggest their trustworthiness at a statistically high confidence level.

    The important measure for the pandemic is no longer the number of infections or deaths, but the number vaccinated. The more the better, and the "better" will now rely on the vaccination of our youth and children (when approved).  And, good sense health measures going forward, such as not going to work when sick, not shaking hands, and, even, not blowing out birthday cake candles.

    I think masks are going to be around (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 02:18:35 PM EST
    New York Times: "In interviews, vaccinated people who continue to wear masks said they are increasingly under pressure, especially in recent days; friends and family have urged them to relax, or even have suggested that they are paranoid."

    "But for some people, no newfound freedom will persuade them to reveal their faces just yet. After a year, they say they have grown accustomed to the masks and glad for the extra safety they provide."

    I expect many will wear them the next flu season.  I might wear one because it pi$$es off all the right people.

    You know (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 17, 2021 at 02:21:02 PM EST
    this is typical behavior in some countries like Japan. If you feel sick, think you are coming down with a cold etc., you wear a mask as a courtesy of not passing germs to others.

    This is true. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 17, 2021 at 03:03:08 PM EST
    And has been so for decades. I lived in Japan from 1968 to 1972. You would see hundreds of people in the train stations wearing cotton gauze masks. You could buy them in small packets at the newsstand kiosks.

    It's one of the reasons I never understood the controversy here. Peopke in other countries have been wearing them in other countries for years. To protect their fellow citizens. I think that says alot about Americans today.


    A lot of Americans (none / 0) (#21)
    by jondee on Mon May 17, 2021 at 04:31:40 PM EST
    give every indication of living in constant dread of some powerful hidden cabal somewhere that's hatching a plot to take away their 'freedoms'.

    The dread then gets so blown out of proportion in people's fevered imaginations that even harmless, common sense measures like wearing a mask becomes the first step on the slippery slope toward Orwell's 1984.

    I chalk a lot if it up to a disastrous break-down of the natural sense of solidarity and community, that you don't encounter as much in other parts of the world.


    Americans (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 04:53:54 PM EST
    give every indication of living in constant dread of some powerful hidden cabal somewhere that's hatching a plot to take away their 'freedoms'.

    Projection.  I think that's called.


    "I think that says alot (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Mon May 17, 2021 at 04:37:31 PM EST
    about Americans today."
    And none of it good.  :-(

    It has become a place (none / 0) (#60)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 18, 2021 at 07:10:40 PM EST
    I don't really want to live in anymore. That will be especially true if the GQP cult regains any kind of power. Democracy as we know it will die. It's on life support now.

    Regular flu (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 03:03:45 PM EST
    Virtually disappeared last winter

    I wonder what the long term effects... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by kdog on Thu May 20, 2021 at 03:48:40 PM EST
    of mask wearing will be to our immune systems, if any. I'm no scientist but my knucklehead theory is it is long-term good for the immunes to come in contact with some germs/virus/bacteria.

    I was never one to wear one outside at all during the pandemic unless asked/required to or in a large crowd. I'll keep rocking one in the stores and such regardless of store policy for the essential workers sake.


    I wear one if others (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 04:00:48 PM EST
    in the area are wearing one.  I'm not worried about myself now.   I'm quit comfortable with the vaccines effectiveness.  

    I was never worried about myself... (none / 0) (#98)
    by kdog on Thu May 20, 2021 at 04:06:12 PM EST
    pre or post vax...only potentially passing it around. Covid wants no part of these tar coated lungs...smoke em if you got em!

    Oh (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 04:13:47 PM EST
    I was a consistent double masker before I got vaccinated

    The CDC seems to feel differently. (none / 0) (#100)
    by Peter G on Thu May 20, 2021 at 06:43:15 PM EST
    I thought the scientists had been saying from the beginning that individuals with a history of smoking were at higher risk, not lower.

    COVID doesn't care what you think. (none / 0) (#121)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 25, 2021 at 03:36:30 AM EST
    Don't take an uncalculated risk. You'll have to be lucky every day; the virus, only once.

    I was in Walmart today (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 05:13:46 PM EST
    the news said Walmart was no longer masking.  Or something.  I think that might still be the official Walmart word but they were masking in mine.  90% masked at least.  Maybe it's a store by store thing depending on the community.

    The vaccination rate here is not good.

      The weird thing is that's almost the only retail around here that is masking.

    I of course mask.  

    Stopped in at a Silver Spring H Mart (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 22, 2021 at 04:45:36 PM EST
    Yesterday, first time I had been there in over a year. They don't care if the mask mandate has been lifted. They mandate it in their store and the security guard at the front door makes it very very clear. I guess if you don't like it you are free to shop somewhere else.

    USA Today (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 05:31:48 PM EST
    We are very negative about returning to (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Peter G on Mon May 17, 2021 at 06:26:52 PM EST
    Trader Joe's, which is our go-to for a number of our staples. Sure, we are vaccinated. And so are more than 90% (!) of the over-65s in our county, but not so much for younger cohorts. And frankly, I am very skeptical of the honor system in this regard. No mask required if you are vaccinated? Who is supposed to monitor or enforce such a rule?

    I play indoor pickleball (none / 0) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 18, 2021 at 08:32:06 AM EST
    For the first time the Rec Center allowed people who were fully vaccinated to play without a mask. We are a small group and all but one person in the group is fully vaccinated. She did continue to wear her mask.

    Under normal circumstances, like going to the store etc., I plan to continue wearing my mask but the mask does hamper my breathing when engaging in more strenuous exercise. Might not be the best decision but I will forgo wearing it playing pickleball.


    In (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 17, 2021 at 06:34:14 PM EST
    Publix today it was around 85%, I still masked up.

    Publics down here in the Keys (none / 0) (#43)
    by fishcamp on Tue May 18, 2021 at 07:52:55 AM EST
    was about 50% masked.  Today is the first day of no new cases in the county for a very long time.

    Not (none / 0) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 17, 2021 at 07:20:50 PM EST
    exactly Cointelpro, but still
    Attorney General Bill Barr's Dept. of Justice, in a possibly illegal move, used used its full weight and power to try to determine the identity of the person behind a Twitter account parodying a top Trump-supporting congressman, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA).

    On November 24, 2020, the U.S. Department of Justice, via a secret grand jury, served Twitter, Inc. with not only a subpoena ordering the social media company to reveal the identity of Twitter user "@NunesAlt," but also with a gag order requiring the company to not reveal the existence of the subpoena, The Daily Beast reports.


    I saw this (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 17, 2021 at 08:23:24 PM EST
    on twitter. I mean how thin skinned are these people? It is a parody account. I have to give props to Jack for fighting this off. This seems like another charge of abuse of power for William Barr.

    WaPo (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 17, 2021 at 08:18:42 PM EST
    Katherine Clayton: "Less committed Republicans did not become more interested in a potential third party. That's bad news for any possible Republican Party offshoot, which probably wouldn't gain traction among elected officials or voters."

    "Instead, weaker Republicans who read about GOP conflict over the election started thinking more highly of the Democratic Party, and became less likely to view it as a threat. Their opinion toward the Democratic Party grew six percentage points more favorable, and belief that the Democratic Party threatens democracy dropped by eight percentage points."

    "In other words, the Republican Party's internal civil war could push some less committed Republican voters to the Democrats."


    Kevin McCarthy (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 18, 2021 at 02:59:55 PM EST
    will not support the bipartisan agreement to establish a January 6 Commission, as worked out over four months by Homeland Security Chair Bernie Thompson (D.MS) and ranking member John Katko (R.NY).  Representative Katko was one of only 10 Republicans to vote for the impeachment (the second one) of Trump.

    The Commission as finally constructed gave McCarthy everything he wanted: an equal number of Democrats and Republicans and a sign off required from both sides for subpoenas. Everything, it seems, but Trump's blessings. Can't have this continuing to be in the news--the Republicans want this to go away. Far away.

    Why do Democrats even bother?  

    QAnon Shaman's Lawyer: (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 03:41:41 PM EST
    Many Rioters Are `F*cking Short-Bus People'

    This is going to be the defense.  Just or not, it points the finger directly at Trump.

    they were subjected to four-plus years of go&$#amn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since #@&*ing Hitler.

    The guys remarks are unbelievably offensive and filed with profanity so can't quote but it's what they are all going to say.

    Trump told us to.

    This is absolutely not what they are (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Peter G on Tue May 18, 2021 at 04:06:53 PM EST
    "all going to say." Those comments have been the subject of heated discussion all afternoon on the internal listserv of the National Ass'n of Criminal Defense Lawyers. They have found precious little support as a defense strategy. Attacking and insulting people with intellectual disabilities -- who are members of many, many families, including many folks who might be called to serve on a jury -- as if it were a way to insult your client (and why would you do that, anyway? It's not any sort of defense), makes no sense at all. Just a way to put yourself in the media spotlight at your client's expense. Not ordinarily considered an ethical option.

    What I meant was (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 04:20:14 PM EST
    they are all going to say Trump told them to do it.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 04:22:31 PM EST
    The other part is horrible but the Q Shaman is pretty horrible.  It could be his idea.

    A little ot, but (none / 0) (#57)
    by jondee on Tue May 18, 2021 at 04:39:20 PM EST
    the Maga medicine man's lawyer's comments sound like Clarence Darrow when lined up with the stuff that's been coming out of Lin Wood and Sydney Powell's mouths lately..

    Maybe the Criminal Defense Lawyers need to  institute drug testing the way they have in Major League Baseball and the NFL.


    Need a bigger bus (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 05:02:25 PM EST
    7 (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 06:03:37 PM EST
    At least seven Senate Republicans have signaled their interest in a commission focused on investigating the Jan. 6. insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, the Washington Post reports.

    Assuming every Democrat votes in favor, a minimum of 10 Senate Republicans are needed.

    I think they will do it.  There will be 10.

    I think so too (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 18, 2021 at 07:26:03 PM EST
    and apparently McCarthy is making it easier for them to break with the GOP on this.

    Not because it's right (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 18, 2021 at 08:08:57 PM EST
    because the train is leaving the station and there is two options.  Get on or throw yourself on the tracks.  Kevin has nothing to lose.  He looks like a cowardly stain with what he is doing but a commission will absolutely call him as a witness.  Liz has already told him so.

    If this congressional thing doesn't happen there will be an investigation.  A presidential commission or something else.  

    The ones who are not completely insane or in a state or district where insanity is a plus are seeing the writing on the walls.

    I think there will be 10 in the senate.


    The problem (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 19, 2021 at 06:36:43 AM EST
    solvers have endorsed the commission. So that is around 29 GOP votes for the commission in the house.

    As far as the senate who knows. I am not as hopeful there.

    You are right there will be something. If this commission doesn't happen Pelosi or Biden can just appoint one. This is the best situation the GOP is going to get. They should run with it but the GOP is not very bright. So we shall see.

    House members do see the writing on the wall. The senate not so much but when the indictments start raining down how is going to look for those that voted against the commission?


    2 (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 09:08:16 AM EST
    Quote of the Day

    May 19, 2021 at 9:53 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 21 Comments

    "I want to be clear. I will put the January 6 commission legislation on the floor of the Senate for a vote, period. Republicans can let their constituents know: Are they on the side of truth or do they want to cover up for the insurrectionists and for Donald Trump?"

    -- Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), at a press briefing.


    House GOP Worried About Defections on January 6 Panel

    May 19, 2021 at 9:50 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 52 Comments

    Punchbowl News reports that anywhere between 20 to 50 House Republicans could vote for the proposed January 6 commission, "with the total very fluid."

    Republicans are concerned about a "jailbreak," in which a flood of lawmakers back the legislation en masse.

    Mitch McConnell (none / 0) (#69)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 19, 2021 at 11:27:31 AM EST
    Opposes the January 6 Commission.  

    Now 8 senators (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 11:30:48 AM EST
    MSNBC just said.  If there is group of House republicans who vote for it as the above comment says there will be 2 more senators .

    I think.


    Little pundit on CNN (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 11:41:12 AM EST
    just said there would never ever EVER be 10 Republican Senators.

    Could be...we will see.


    His argument for not doing it (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 11:32:50 AM EST
    Had nothing to do with Kevin's. A Venn diagram would be two separate circles.

    Query: has the term "Venn diagram" (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Wed May 19, 2021 at 12:10:44 PM EST
    risen recently in popular usage?

    It's in the Overton Window now (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jondee on Wed May 19, 2021 at 02:38:08 PM EST
    I don't know (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 04:38:02 PM EST
    has it?

    RIP (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 07:54:13 AM EST
    Darwin's Arch has collapsed (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 08:07:37 AM EST
    Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! (none / 0) (#76)
    by Chuck0 on Wed May 19, 2021 at 04:55:06 PM EST
    January 6, 2021. Tourists!

    These people have no bottom. Nothing is too low. At long last they indeed have no sense of decency.

    28 republicans voting for the commission (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 05:23:27 PM EST
    So far

    33 (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 05:29:49 PM EST

    This is good (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 05:42:12 PM EST
    35 republicans will put a little pressure on the senate

    Max Boot (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 19, 2021 at 06:31:46 PM EST
    FWIW says that every Republican that votes against the commission is going to live to regret it.

    It makes no sense (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 19, 2021 at 06:46:18 PM EST
    it's been made clear there is going to be an investigation.  If they stop this one where they have input about the process Nancy will organize it with a bunch of Dem committee chairs.

    I guess it might be something the base will like assuming the shi+ is coming down either way.  They have done stupider more inexplicable things.


    Yes, (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 20, 2021 at 06:07:35 AM EST
    maybe they wanted people like Katko to take the heat while they could vote against it. I am sure the Republicans that supported this were rational enough to agree with what you are saying.

    I figure most of them voted against it because they are going to be called as a witness. Some of them will probably be indicted by the DOJ.


    I think Nancy set a trap (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 07:43:37 AM EST
    for Kevin.  No one expected the house negotiators to reach a deal.  They did because the democrats basically gave republicans every single thing Kevin asked for.

    Kevin was caught with his pants down when he got everything he asked for and now he has to look like a craven coward and refuse to take the deal he made.

    With Nancy knowing he could never accept a deal, any deal, and it would totally free her up for a Benghazi style committee.


    There was plenty of criticism (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 20, 2021 at 07:47:26 AM EST
    from progressives for offering Kevin everything he asked for in the deal the House committee made.    Once again Nancy shows us she is two plays ahead.

    Bingo (none / 0) (#87)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 20, 2021 at 07:59:01 AM EST
    Repugs never negotiate in good faith, they are absolutely flummoxed when Democrats actually do, now they are in a win/win situation.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#92)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 20, 2021 at 01:07:05 PM EST
    Kevin is no match for Nancy.  Indeed, he is a weak  competitor to a fire plug.  However, the issue remains one beyond this win to that of an investigation that gets to the bottom of the insurrection.  McCarthy (and Trump) get to name five of the Commission's  membership and then there is that bipartisan sign-off for subpoenas.  

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 20, 2021 at 02:29:23 PM EST
    GOP Senators rejecting the commission is the best case scenario for us. The Dems could set up their own commission with a majority and strong subpoena power and be somewhat inoculated against accusations of running a partisan witch hunt.

    This is (none / 0) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 20, 2021 at 02:52:39 PM EST
    what is likely to happen.  Does not look like at least 10 Republican senators will find their spine.  Democratic will need to appoint a select committee or a presidential commission.  

    Outbreak of Site Violators (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Wed May 19, 2021 at 08:26:46 PM EST
    In closed comments.

    thanks I will check it out (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 26, 2021 at 02:12:00 PM EST
    and delete and ban them. I have to do it one by one so it may take a bit.

    Mind use of the term... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Thu May 20, 2021 at 03:51:36 PM EST
    "Outbreak" in light of 15 months of current events ol' pal! lol

    I hadn't sat down in a restaurant in more.. (none / 0) (#101)
    by desertswine on Thu May 20, 2021 at 11:35:40 PM EST
    than a year, until tonite, that is.  My son and d-in-l are visiting from Colorado Springs and we went to a Mexican restaurant where the food was not-so-good, but still it felt liberating to eat somewhere that wasn't in the house.  Also, Margaritas.

    If the Margaritas are very good (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 20, 2021 at 11:55:14 PM EST
    and plentiful, the food is not quite as important. LOL

    Glad you were able to enjoy your night out with your family.


    I ate in a restaurant (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 21, 2021 at 07:12:04 AM EST
    Wed for the first time.  The food was so so but it was fun.  We sat and drank for three hours.  

    Mother's Day brunch (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 21, 2021 at 11:30:23 AM EST
    was the first time we ate indoors. The food was very good as were the specialty champagne drinks. The jazz quartet was excellent. Nice family time.

    8 million (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 21, 2021 at 09:18:55 AM EST
    True Pandemic Death Toll Could Reach 8 Million

    May 21, 2021 at 10:00 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 19 Comments

    "The true death toll of the coronavirus pandemic could be much higher than the official figure of 3.4 million people, a World Health Organization official said Friday, estimating that the global loss of life could be as high as 8 million," the Washington Post reports.

    My 95 year old aunt died a few months after she "recovered" from covid.  I have to think they were not unrelated.

    Hundreds (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 22, 2021 at 01:21:53 PM EST
    Associated Press: "The push to remove Confederate names from Pentagon properties, including storied Army posts, could eventually affect hundreds of items and facilities, the chair of the congressionally chartered Naming Commission said Friday."

    I think this is great (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 23, 2021 at 07:32:48 AM EST
    Mother---ers, I'm aloof with you because I don't want to talk to you.

    Former President Obama discussing what "some reporters thought about him"  in a new book

    Logout (none / 0) (#124)
    by Natal on Wed May 26, 2021 at 01:21:33 AM EST
    I'm unable to logout of my account.  What to do to resolve this?