Liz Cheney Ousted as Party Leader

The House of Representatives today held a vote on Liz Cheney and she has been removed as House Republican Conference chair

which is considered to be the third most important Republican position in the House.

Donald Trump was happy, calling her "a poor leader, a major Democrat talking point, a warmonger, and a person with absolutely no personality or heart.”

He did get one right: warmonger.

I don't understand why Democrats and progressives are flocking to defend Liz Cheney. Liz Cheney holds the same beliefs as her father, Dick Cheney. See Maureen Dowd's column this week, on the similarity of beliefs held by Cheney and her father. I'm with Dowd on this.

Liberals responded to Trump’s derangements by bathing the Bush-Cheney crowd in a flattering nostalgic light.

So, shockingly, the Republicans who eroded America’s moral authority — selling us the Iraq war, torture, a prolonged Afghanistan occupation and Sarah Palin — became the new guardians of America’s moral authority. Complete with bloated TV and book contracts.

Trump built a movement based on lies. The Cheneys showed him how it’s done.

Dick Cheney was a hundred times more dangerous than Donald Trump. For one thing, Cheney, like his daughter, has a brain. If Donald has one, it's hasn't shown itself yet.

Listening to Chris Cuomo' on the car radio last night, he had Anna Navarro on. She said one of the Republicans supporting Trump will end up "being just a pimple on the butt of history". That's what I think about Donald. The world theater has moved on. He will never get power back, or respect from abroad. I believe he will be the winner of the title "Just a pimple on the butt of history" in the long run.

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    I don't understand why (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 12, 2021 at 02:13:38 PM EST
    saying she is doing a good thing is seen as "flocking to defend her"

    Speaking only for myself I am not defending her.  I am giving credit where it's due.

    And I couldn't disagree more about her being more dangerous than Trump.

    ^^^^This (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 12, 2021 at 02:43:40 PM EST
    just because you agree with her on this one thing doesn't mean that you agree with her the other 99% of the time.

    Ironically she has a very Trumpy voting record.


    Mutiny on the HMS Sh*t Pile (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jondee on Wed May 12, 2021 at 11:40:16 PM EST

    Paul Taylor Dance Company performing (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Peter G on Fri May 14, 2021 at 07:47:02 PM EST
    his wonderful 1975 classic Esplanade to Bach's music, live stream from the 113th Annual Bach Festival, Bethlehem PA now.
    https://www.wfmz.com/news/livestream/live-virtual-113th-bethlehem-bach-festival/article_f35cb340-b33 4-11eb-8c5e-d757ad8488e2.html

    Final session tonight (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Peter G on Sat May 15, 2021 at 04:09:22 PM EST
    at 7:30 EDT.  Four cantatas that were reused in the B-minor Mass, to be performed live by soloists with spare instrumentation. https://www.wfmz.com/news/livestream/live-virtual-113th-bethlehem-bach-festival/article_f35cb340-b33 4-11eb-8c5e-d757ad8488e2.html . For more than a century, the Bach Choir of Bethlehem (superb community choir) has performed the Mass at the May Festival. But not possible last year or this year to put almost 100 singers together in the church (Lehigh Univ. Packer Memorial Chapel) with an orchestra. Members of my family have attended this festival nearly every year for about 85 years. I was first there in utero.

    A close friend died recently (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 15, 2021 at 08:57:43 AM EST
    It was made worse that I did not know about it until weeks after.  But since then I have spent a lot of time going through pictures and other things.  I enjoyed seeing this for its "same as it ever was" quality.

    this is me (standing) and a group of feisty degenerate malcontents trying to get ROTC kicked off the campus

    It was required for men at the time.  50 years ago.

    I was so thin!

    Yes, (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Sat May 15, 2021 at 10:33:08 AM EST
    whose is that.good looking youth.  Standing up then, as now for principles.  

    That's from the (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 15, 2021 at 12:23:44 PM EST
    ASU yearbook archive.  Pretty cool thing.

    I love it! (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 15, 2021 at 12:54:15 PM EST
    The fact that Democrats and Liz Cheney ... (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 15, 2021 at 07:38:28 PM EST
    ... can publicly disagree and debate policy issues is founded upon our mutual devotion to the democratic principles underscored by our Constitution.

    There is no question that Rep. Cheney has recently stood tall in a robust and resolute defense of those very principles against the mindless partisan militancy of her own party. And even though it may ultimately cost her her House seat in a GOP primary, it's a risk she evidently considers worth taking.

    If we can't bring ourselves to acknowledge that and stand with her, then our own commitment to those same principles can likewise be considered suspect or at best, qualified and dependent almost entirely upon who's doing the defending.


    And we here highly resolve (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Sun May 16, 2021 at 02:26:37 AM EST
    that these dead shall not have died in vain etc etc

    Actually though, screw Lynne and the Wyoming "rodeo mom" horse she rode in on -- as long as she continues to tweet "America stands with Israel" while Israeli goons, in the interests of their two-tier, ethno-supremacist state, ethnically cleanse East Jerusalem and murderously decimate the open-air prison of Gaza.


    Death count today as of this hour from CNN (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 16, 2021 at 10:00:31 AM EST
    188 killed in Gaza 10 killed in Israel.  

    Just another day.


    Post (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 16, 2021 at 07:47:50 AM EST
    Cheney's Ouster Isn't Just About GOP Civil War

    May 15, 2021 at 10:46 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 225 Comments

    Dan Balz: "The removal of Cheney as chair of the House Republican Conference has been described as part of a Republican Party civil war, and certainly it reflects divisions within the party over Trump's and raises questions about the future of the GOP."

    "But talking about the removal of Cheney from leadership in the context of a civil war understates the stakes involved. It is far more than a case of internecine warfare, as a Democrat who has been in many partisan battles against GOP candidates said in a private email praising Cheney."

    Said the Democrat: "As regards the politics of the moment, Cheney needs affirmation and a megaphone. She is preaching for principle -- and that is important. This is so far above partisan nonsense. We must all understand what she is doing and applaud it."



    Today in Dumb Punditry (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 12, 2021 at 02:51:19 PM EST
    Greenfield is just the worst.  

    A GOP Civil War? Don't Bet On It.

    If you've been reading the coverage lately, or listened to gloating Democrats, it's easy to believe the Republican Party is eating itself alive.

    Don't know what coverage he is referring to no one thinks this.  Except him and his friends at Republico

    If he's betting I would take his bet that it's going to happen.  My guess would be mostly after the next election.

    Apropos quote (none / 0) (#4)
    by Natal on Wed May 12, 2021 at 04:22:36 PM EST
    "There is no greater power in the world than the zest of a postmenopausal woman." Margaret Mead.

    Oh, for gawd's sake. (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by oculus on Wed May 12, 2021 at 09:41:49 PM EST
    Tell Matt (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 12, 2021 at 06:19:22 PM EST
    Speaking of Matt (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 13, 2021 at 11:53:08 AM EST
    "A Florida politician who is central to the investigation into Rep. Matt Gaetz for possible sex trafficking of a minor signaled that he will plead guilty in his own federal case, a troubling development for the congressman as it suggests prosecutors have secured a potentially important witness against him," the Washington Post reports.

    This so pretty good (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 12, 2021 at 08:18:16 PM EST
    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 13, 2021 at 11:55:37 AM EST
    Jonathan Bernstein: "If it's moderate Republican politicians who retired decades ago, a handful of political consultants, and some foreign policy specialists who are more hawkish than their party or most voters...well, that's not much."

    "If it included Wyoming Representative Liz Cheney, Senator Mitt Romney of Utah, a couple of governors and many of the other current elected officials who supported impeaching and convicting Trump? That's a group with a realistic, if still difficult, chance of making it hard for Republicans to win congressional majorities and the presidency. And it would still be unlikely to achieve the goal of changing the Republican Party."



    Whatever it tajes (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 13, 2021 at 07:38:39 AM EST
    Liz Cheney Won't Rule Out White House Bid

    May 13, 2021 at 8:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 3 Comments

    When asked if she would consider running for president in 2024, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) told the Today Show that she would do "whatever it takes" to prevent "a former president or anybody else unravel the democracy."

    She added: "I'm going do everything that I can -- both to make sure that that never happens, but also to make sure that the Republican party gets back to substance and policy."

    Sam Seder said one of the things being considered is was running spoiler third party candidate to help Trump republicans lose.

    I find it interesting (none / 0) (#10)
    by Chuck0 on Thu May 13, 2021 at 09:39:43 AM EST
    That she never says his name. Never. She always says "the former president."

    Much ado about nothing. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu May 13, 2021 at 11:01:41 AM EST

    No one but House members give a rats patoot about the pecking order in a House caucus.

    It is just (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 13, 2021 at 01:26:54 PM EST
    another example of the GOP civil war and how the GOP is controlled by a an orange tinged fascist.

    New Hampshire (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 13, 2021 at 02:17:36 PM EST
    Cheney Makes New Hampshire TV Appearance

    May 13, 2021 at 2:41 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 39 Comments

    Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) will be on "New Hampshire Today" on Friday morning -- an appearance which will stoke speculation about whether she'll run for president in 2024.

    He adds this

    Cheney knows it would be an impossible fight to win the GOP nomination, but she also knows the media will cover her if she keeps that option open.

    I don't think that is true. Or it is at least incomplete.

    I guess she knows that is true now.  2024 is a political lifetime away.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#16)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 13, 2021 at 02:51:15 PM EST
    like tRump wasn't the longest of long shots in 2013.

    Well, (none / 0) (#17)
    by Zorba on Thu May 13, 2021 at 04:28:53 PM EST
    There is that.
    Who would ever have thought that a braggart, talk show host, bankrupt casino-owner, could not only be nominated by the Republican Party and become President?
    I mean, really, if someone had written a story about this, nobody would have thought it realistic.

    Everything is proceeding (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 13, 2021 at 07:06:50 PM EST

    as I have foreseen

    Trump Says Cheney Won't Keep Him from Office

    May 13, 2021 at 6:19 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 177 Comments

    In an interview in which he slammed Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) as a "loser," former President Donald Trump teased the notion of running again for president in 2024, The Hill reports.

    Said Trump: "I'm loving what I do and I'm loving the result that we've had and I think people will be very happy with my decision. We've done a real job and I look forward to making people very happy."

    He can't (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 14, 2021 at 05:38:01 AM EST
    continue to grift unless he runs for office.

    There's only one way that Trump (none / 0) (#27)
    by desertswine on Sat May 15, 2021 at 12:13:46 PM EST
    can make me happy.

    Agreement has been reached (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 14, 2021 at 08:51:29 AM EST
    On a 1/6 commission.  Starting as soon as next week.

    Just heard this on teevee.

    The Hill (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 14, 2021 at 09:59:47 AM EST
    Not an auspicious Commision. (none / 0) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 14, 2021 at 12:32:14 PM EST
    What should have taken four days, has taken four months to put together.

      A composition of five appointments by Democratic leadership and five by Republicans.  No current government officials or members of Congress.  The subpoena power requires the support of both the Chair (appointed by Democrats) and Vice Chair (appointed by Republicans)or a vote of the majority of the Commission.  The Commission is to provide a report by December 31, 2021.

    An investigation of the January 6 insurrection should go beyond the Congress in that the seditious goal was to overturn the election of the president and vice president of the USA.

     And, the Commission structure assumes participation by a serious political party, which the Republicans are not.  When a Republican House member is booted from her leadership role because she will not lie about the Jan 6 insurrection and another House member claims the Jan 6 event was just a "normal tourist visit" at the Capitol, the likely Republican appointees do not engender confidence.

    Subpoena power is critical to the work of the Commission, but the "bipartisan support" required cripples investigation.

    This notion of needing "bipartisanship" seemingly for credibility of findings and all things good, ignores the fact that the nation has seen this "tourist visit" with its own eyes.  It needs to know the underpinnings to the insurrection--its leaders, financiers, security failures (or deliberate laxity).

     If by, chance, the Commission does an independent investigation, it will still be attacked by Republicans are being co-opted, RINOs, or anti-Trumpers. I do not understand what the Congressional Democrats are thinking. I am hopeful that there is more to the decision-making than is suggested by the Commission set up.

     Might as well just have a Blue Ribbon Committee appointed by the president. Although, if the Democrats chose Dick Cheney as one of its appointees (Liz is still a House member, or she would be better), I might feel a little better about it all.


    Absolutely agree. (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Fri May 14, 2021 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    AXIOS (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 16, 2021 at 07:50:47 AM EST
    The COVID lab-leak theory goes mainstream

    A group of high-profile scientists published a letter calling for renewed investigation into the origins of COVID-19 -- including the theory that it spilled out of a virology lab.

    Most of the (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 16, 2021 at 10:49:48 AM EST
    people I have seen pushing the lab theory have been conservatives. Do they not realize that if COVID 19 came from a lab it makes then look even worse?

    AXIOS says it's a group (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 16, 2021 at 11:35:28 AM EST
    of prominent epidemiologists and biologists

    writing in the journal Science


    Isn't this (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 16, 2021 at 11:38:38 AM EST
    Mr Zorbas field?

    Well, he is a (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by Zorba on Sun May 16, 2021 at 02:36:02 PM EST
    Molecular virologist.
    He does know some of the the signatories, although not all of them.
    He basically agrees that they certainly should look more carefully at the genesis of the virus (which is what the paper is saying), and he thinks that the Chinese government has been uncooperative about this.

    'Intellectual Dark Web' affiliated (none / 0) (#39)
    by jondee on Sun May 16, 2021 at 01:55:19 PM EST
    biologists Bret Weinstein and his wife Heather Heying have been pushing hard on the lab leak theory for months.

    They were on Maher talking about it awhile back.


    I saw (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 22, 2021 at 08:31:50 AM EST
    it suggested that if no bipartisan committee is voted in that Pelosi appoint one and appoint Liz Cheney to lead the GOP part of the committee.

    Not sure (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 22, 2021 at 10:29:51 AM EST
    share can do that.