Senate Vote Falls Short for Conviction on Impeachment

Donald Trump, who holds the record for the number of times an occupant of a desk in the oval office has been impeached in the House of Representatives, avoided conviction in the Senate today.

All 50 Democrats and seven Republicans voted “guilty,” falling 10 votes short of the two-thirds necessary for conviction.

Maybe now the media will finally stop its coverage of all things Trump. They have been reduced to an insignificant pebble in an otherwise mountain of smooth grains of sand.

Congress can can turn its attention to things that matter, like providing economic relief to the residents of this country and tackling the coronavirus and its mutations. [More...]

I don't have huge hopes for the nation this year or next because state governments seem ready to make the same mistakes as last year: opening too fast and too soon in an effort to cater to small business owners and sports enthusiasts. Concerts, sporting events, gyms and indoor dining at restaurants should be the last things to open. How many times do we have to go through surges and the increased rate of hospitalization and deaths that come with them before we learn? The countries that lock down the fastest after even just a few cases have the best long-term success rate. Vaccines will be a big help, but they won't end the pandemic, at least not this year.

But, I'm delighted that Donald Trump has been reduced to an itch you can scratch or not. The sooner the media stops covering him as a person of "great social and political import" (as Janis Joplin so aptly put it), the better.

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    Questions (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by FlJoe on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 05:55:45 AM EST
    for Mitch. You said  
    The mob was fed lies," McConnell said. "They were provoked by the president and other powerful people, and they tried to use fear and violence to stop a specific proceeding of the first branch of the federal government, which they did not like," he added.

    Who are these other powerful people?
    Are any of them still serving in the government?
    If so, since you are not constrained by the "former office" exemption what sanctions should be levied?

    Do Trump commissars (none / 0) (#3)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 03:10:29 PM EST
    like Rush and Mark Levin and their dozens of talk radio clones, and Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, Rudy, The Crack Hen, Ginny Thomas, and groups like Turning Point USA etc all count as "powerful people"?

    When the noisiest players in the rw insane clown posse can't be called-out and mentioned by name it makes you realize where the real power lies on Mitch's side of the aisle.


    What people like Mitch (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 03:21:55 PM EST
    would prefer would be to pin it all on Trump and leave the rw bullsh*t factory operating exactly as it was before -- with the added bonus of now claiming to be Free Speech martyrs of 'cancel culture.'

    Good luck (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 04:54:06 PM EST
    with that. If he was so darn concerned about having Trump attached to the GOP he should have rounded up 67 votes to convict him. Moscow Mitch tried having it both ways with some nonsense constitutional argument.

    Lindsay (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 03:18:55 PM EST
    is having a conniption fit saying that Moscow Mitch's speed is going to be used to cut ads for the Democrats in 2022.

    Already saw an ad with Rubio where he had Qanon paint on his face from the Florida Dems.


    The loosening restrictionsthe day after the first (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 07:21:08 PM EST
    downtick in numbers is how we are still here a year later. For myself, I am ignoring it, staying out of restaurants and stores as much as possible.

    Small businesses aren't going to recover util we are out of this. They and their employees should have been supported with income for 3 months while we did a complete lockdown. But that ship sailed. No one has the political will to do it now.

    COVID (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Feb 16, 2021 at 10:07:47 AM EST
    Same here. I haven't been to a restaurant other than to pick up a take-out since the pandemic started.
    I also rarely visit stores, but use curbside or locker pickup mostly. I find it incredibly nerve-racking to be among strangers even with my double-mask.

    The next step, it seems to me, should be (4.57 / 7) (#11)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 06:11:45 PM EST
    a joint resolution, to be submitted for a vote by a simple majority of both Houses of Congress, under the Fourteenth Amendment, section 3, declaring that all those who participated in invading the Capitol on January 6, 2021, are guilty of "insurrection" and, if they had "previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States," are thereby disqualified from "hold[ing] any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State," and that this disqualification includes all those who planned, aided and abetting, and incited that insurrection, or who conspired to enter the Capitol unlawfully that day, whether or not they physically entered the building, including all those persons who spoke at the rally that preceded the invasion of the Capitol and urged the crowd to participate, such as but not limited to "Donald John Tr*mp and Rudolph Giuliani."

    Yesterday was a sad day (none / 0) (#2)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 12:33:30 PM EST
    with 43 Republicans condoning Trump's attempt to overthrow the government to remain in power. They failed the country, failed to honor their oath to God and the Constitution. The Republican Party in the various states that censured members of their party who voted in favor of upholding our republic form of government are equally guilty and the blood shed on 1/6 and any future violence is on their hands as well.

    I would like to believe that they will face consequences for their actions but I am not convinced that will be the case.

    The worse consequences that (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 03:20:24 PM EST
    can happen to most of them is being voted out outside of perhaps Cruz, Hawley and Johnson who may have some legal liability.

    I would like to believe that (none / 0) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 05:26:51 PM EST
    will happen but I'm not sure that they will be voted out of office. Seems too many Republican voters are just fine with the insurrection. The only problem they have with it is that it failed.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 05:45:05 AM EST
    that kind of gets to what Howdy and I have been saying around here for quite a while that the problem is the voters. Too many people in this country want a fundamentalist Christian totalitarian state.

    From P Wire (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 08:48:30 AM EST
    the numbers from the last few weeks:

    The number of Republicans who backed the Texas lawsuit to overturn the presidential election: 126;
    The number of Republicans who voted against certifying the electoral votes of Pennsylvania: 138;
    The number of Republicans who voted to protect conspiracy theorist/bigot Marjorie Taylor Greene's committee assignments: 199;
    The number of House Republicans who voted against impeachment: 197;
    And then Saturday's vote. Overall the pro-Trump GOP vote (in the House and Senate): 240-17.
    "Over the last five years, Republicans have shown willingness to accept -- or least ignore -- lies, racism, and xenophobia. But now it is a party that is also willing to acquiesce to sedition, violence, extremism, and anti-democratic authoritarianism."


    "The Republican Party of the past won elections by persuading most Americans that it would do a better job than Democrats of running the country. Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon and Dwight Eisenhower each won at least 57 percent of the vote in their re-election campaigns. George W. Bush won 51 percent, largely by appealing to swing voters on national security, education, immigration and other issues. A party focused on rebuilding a national majority probably could not stay tethered to Trump."

    "But the modern Republican Party has found ways other than majority support to achieve its goals."

    "It benefits from a large built-in advantage in the Senate, which gives more power to rural and heavily white states. The filibuster also helps Republicans more than it does Democrats. In the House and state legislatures, both parties have gerrymandered, but Republicans have done more of it. In the courts, Republicans have been more aggressive about putting judges on the bench and blocking Democratic presidents from doing so. In the Electoral College, Democrats currently waste more votes than Republicans by running up large state-level victories."



    By tying themselves (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 01:37:42 PM EST
    to Trump by their vote, most House and Senate Republicans have made it abundantly evident that they are complicit. Rather than casting a vote that socially, physically, politically and every other way distanced themselves from the Insurrectionist-in Chief, they have glomed onto the albatross that is Trump and his attempt to overthrow the government. And, what about Republicans' grand concern for police. So much for Blue Lives Matter, GOP.

     Trump's friend McConnell just thinks he should be confronted with the "justice system" and "civil litigation". Nice try, Mitch. You could have been a House Manager, save for your vote.

    The Republican senators (except for those seven) tried to justify their votes by anything and everything except his guilt.  The most galling was their ignoring of the senate determination, after a day of debate and vote, that the impeachment process after leaving office was Constitutional. These senators, like Trump, do not accept voting results that they do not win.

    The next question is how are Democrats in Congress to work with these Republicans.  What about "bipartisanship" and kumbaya.. Difficult with those who have no trouble with mobs coming after Congress members.  And, just how do you negotiate with the likes of Marjorie Taylor Green?  Argue "Jewish Space Lasers" on its merits?  

    Time is now to get rid of the filibuster. Does it seem likely that Democrats could get 10 Republican senators to vote on substantive matters? Bipartisanship, as it must be defined, is what the majority of Americans need, not on what these Republicans want when out of power.


    On point: (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 02:57:30 PM EST
    "The most galling was their ignoring of the Senate determination, after a day of debate and vote, that the impeachment process after leaving office was constitutional. These senators, like Tr*mp, do not accept voting results that they do not win." This is exactly one of the things that I have been thinking the last few days.

    Also (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 04:15:33 PM EST
    "But in this case, that question is moot. Because former President Trump is constitutionally not eligible for conviction.
    "There is no doubt this is a very close question. Donald Trump was the President when the House voted, though not when the House chose to deliver the papers.
    "Brilliant scholars argue both sides of the jurisdictional question. The text is legitimately ambiguous. I respect my colleagues who have reached either conclusion.
    "But after intense reflection, I believe the best constitutional reading shows that Article II, Section 4 exhausts the set of persons who can legitimately be impeached, tried, or convicted. The President, Vice President, and civil officers.
    "We have no power to convict and disqualify a former officeholder who is now a private citizen.
    Shorter Mitch "the Democrats had a point, but after intense consideration of my political future I went against the majority." Congratulations Mitch, you have become my most hated politician of all time.

    Also (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 08:53:09 AM EST
    I saw somewhere yesterday that more than 2/3s of Republican voters believe it will be necessary to use violence to "preserve their way of life".

    Doesn't get much more clear than that.

    I get the number of registered Republicans is very low but it's enough to be a serious problem. My guess is close to 1 in 5 of the general population.


    What she said (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 10:09:55 AM EST
    "Republicans are normalizing, they are mainstreaming, what counterterrorism experts would say is violent extremism: that it is acceptable to use inflammatory rhetoric and encourage violence to achieve your ends and... it is acceptable to engage in public life through conspiracy theories."

    -- Elizabeth Neumann, a former Trump Homeland Security official, quoted by CNN.

    My (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 12:15:13 PM EST
    theory is that there has long been two wings of the party, evil and crazy(or lawful evil/chaotic evil in D&D terms). For years the evil wing, who were at least smart enough to not burn the place down courted and manipulated the crazy rather easily.

    Somewhere along the way they lost control, the rise of the internet was a big factor at that, but "lawful evil" right wing media, politicians and organizations stoked the fires, to line their pockets, remain in power and advance their agenda.

    Somewhere along the line the crazy reached critical mass (some people point to Palin VP nom) and the Republicans had no choice but to follow along, if they wanted to hold on to their particular gravy train.


    He (none / 0) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 03:33:03 PM EST
    absolutely should name names or better yet refer tRump and the rest of them to the DOJ for prosecution. He is essentiality accusing these people of committing crimes.

    Donald who? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Feb 14, 2021 at 05:54:23 PM EST

    "cater to small business owners" (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 15, 2021 at 11:13:46 AM EST
    cater to small business owners and sports enthusiasts.


    That's the word used by someone who's small business is essentially financially unaffected by the pandemic.

    Open war (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 17, 2021 at 09:39:17 PM EST
    Tom Coleman and John Danforth: "Opinion: Congress must invoke the 14th Amendment to stop Trump from running again"


    "McConnell has many talents, there is no doubt about it, but if he is setting this thing up as a way to expunge Trump from the Republican Party, that is a failing proposition."

    -- Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), in an interview with the New York Times.


    Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) told KTOO that the Republican Party has to decide whether it is the party of one man -- former President Donald Trump -- or of principles.

    Said Murkowski: "The Republican Party, in my view, was a pretty good party before Donald Trump and I believe we can be a good party after Donald Trump. Right now, I think we're still trying to figure out who we are."


    Politico: "Trump's scathing attack on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell Tuesday exposed rifts that could dash the GOP's hopes of retaking the Senate in 2022 if they are allowed to fester. Some in McConnell's orbit already blame Trump for losing the majority in Georgia last month. Now, the GOP leader has to hold together a fractured conference and guide Senate candidates through difficult primaries while holding onto seats in states Trump lost last year."

    "With McConnell castigating Trump over the Jan. 6 Capitol riot and Trump firing back in personal terms, Senate Republicans have reacted by trying to defuse the situation -- a sign of recognition that they need Trump loyalists and more traditional Republican voters to stick together for future success."

    IMO (none / 0) (#24)
    by jmacWA on Thu Feb 18, 2021 at 05:28:37 AM EST
    Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) told KTOO that the Republican Party has to decide whether it is the party of one man -- former President Donald Trump -- or of principles.

    The decision on this was mailed in long ago.  Lisa and the other 'concerned' Republicans have been blindly supporting the Republican party in what seems like 90+% of the cases at least since the Obama administration, maybe Clinton.  We can discount any unanimous or near unanimous votes.

    If Republicans really cared about the country, they would have been appalled about the way the country turned under Trump.  Instead, they are now the party of Trump, and some of them now show concern.  I have none for them, let them be the party of Trump, and wear him like a millstone around their necks all the way to the bottom.


    Trying times (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 19, 2021 at 10:10:46 AM EST
    A Brutal Two Months for Republicans

    February 19, 2021 at 9:18 am EST By Taegan Goddard 133 Comments

    First Read list the ways:

    The party's biggest donor (Sheldon Adelson) passed away
    So did its most influential communicator over the last 25 years (Rush Limbaugh).

    Its two most recognizable leaders (Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell) are in a feud.

    State parties are censuring any Republican who dared to vote to impeach Trump or find him guilty.

    And the state that's become the leading example of conservative governance (Texas) finds itself in tatters after its power crisis, and its junior U.S. senator (Ted Cruz) has been ridiculed and scorned.

    Oh, and the party just lost control of the Senate just a month ago.

    Yes, (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 19, 2021 at 11:25:17 AM EST
    Trying times.  And, time for many of them to be tried.

    From your keyboard (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Sat Feb 20, 2021 at 03:07:54 PM EST
    To the eyeballs of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.