Saturday Open Thread: Fight or Flight?

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" for Donald Trump. (Bob Dylan, Suberteranean Homesick Blues)

If Trump resigns, won't Pence just pardon him the way Ford pardoned Nixon? I'd rather see him stay and try to pardon himself, which will end up costing him millions in legal fees over the next few years as the courts debate whether he has the power to do that.

I think a charge of seditious conspiracy is the way to go. Maybe he will be hit with a federal complaint on January 21 after which they will take it to the grand jury so there is no question they did not indict a sitting President.


Things to be happy about: Don, Jr and Kimberly, Ivanka and Lara Trump will never be the second round of Trumps to win electoral office. Jared will never again be the power behind the throne, in charge of the little people who work at the White House.

Just for more fun, re-read Hunter Thompson's 1994 obituary for Richard Nixon, "He Was a Crook".

He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president....He has poisoned our water forever. Nixon will be remembered as a classic case of a smart man shi*ting in his own nest. But he also sh*t in our nests, and that was the crime that history will burn on his memory like a brand. By disgracing and degrading the Presidency of the United States, by fleeing the White House like a diseased cur, Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    This is (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 04:00:42 PM EST
    Love it. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 04:08:26 PM EST
    LOL. I liked the statements that said all the people who said what have we got to lose by Trump winning or those who thought it would bring the "glorious revolution" owe Hillary and monster apology.

    HA! (none / 0) (#8)
    by vml68 on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:29:11 PM EST
    I saw a great cartoon (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 07:39:08 PM EST
    With lots of smaller countries saying "who's a shi+hole country now?"

    I got to give (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 04:06:22 PM EST
    AOC props. She is taking Ted Cruz apart on twitter.

    As is Beto. (none / 0) (#7)
    by vml68 on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:12:38 PM EST
    Clyburn just said (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:08:32 AM EST
    they might impeach him next week and hold it for 100 days.  Give Biden his 100 days, see what else happens and THEN see if they want to vote to remove him and ban him from ever holding office.

    That's pretty smart IMO.

    This (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 11:04:38 AM EST
    House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) said House Democrats might wait until after President-elect Joe Biden's first 100 days in office to send any articles of impeachment against President Trump to the Senate, a move that would give the incoming President time to tackle his agenda in Congress before the start of a time-consuming trial, CNN reports.

    Said Clyburn: "We'll take the vote that we should take in the House, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi will make the determination as to when is the best time to get that vote and get the managers appointed and move that legislation over to the Senate."

    I am all for any action (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 12:51:33 PM EST
    that will strip this mobster of any and all post presidential perks. Take his travel budget, secret service and pension.

    I agree. He has ripped off all of us taxpayers (none / 0) (#36)
    by vml68 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    more than enough.

    A new thing we are beginning to hear (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 08:20:27 AM EST
    I saw this in the federalist yesterday and now on tv this morning - I won't link - is that some unspecified number of republicans voted to challenge the election "because they were fearful of violence against them or their families"

    While this is a very clever and effective rhetorical idea I call bullshi+.

    These time are not for "public servants" who are cowering pu$$ies.  If you can't take the heat get the f'ck out of the kitchen and out of the way so someone with a spine can take over.

    This can not be allowed.

    Actually I will link (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 08:44:56 AM EST
    Because I misremembered.  It was not The Federalist it was another right song rag.  Reason.

    The rookie GOP congressman describes Capitol Hill chaos, says that some Republicans who knew better voted against election certification out of physical fear

    This morning on tv it was the perky and stupid KC Hunt who related the scary story with much melodrama.


    That Seems Reasonable... (none / 0) (#101)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 11:38:32 AM EST
    ...in that they stroked and coddled the lunatic fringe for years, helped promote them from fringe to mainstream.  Then got into bed with them over the election fraud non-sense to further their careers and now they are scared of turning their backs on the very vipers they created.

    Great, makes sense, if that is the story they are going with, either step down or remove them because their ability to govern has been compromised.  They are no longer voting on what they feel is the best for the country based their own admissions. The reason really doesn't matter at this point, what matters is they aren't able to do their jobs and serve the country.

    In my opinion, that excuse is worse that siding with the lunatics, it's like the idiots that sell poisonous snakes and then when they eventually get out, and they always do, they whine that they can't go home because their house has been overrun by dangerous vipers.

    To them I say, "No one to blame here but the a-holes in the mirror." Just too bad they have put their loved ones in position where they could be harmed because of their political ambition.  

    I have little doubt the crowd chanting 'Hang Pence' as they beat a cop to death is capable of harming, or at the very least, scaring the crop out anyone.  Personally I don't care if that is the truth or just an a lame excuse, they aren't able to perform their duties and need to go.


    Probably why (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 03:22:37 PM EST
    David Cicilline released threatening phone messages. It proves your point. He is leading the charge on impeachment and yet he goes ahead despite the threats. These Republicans are looking for every excuse in the book not to vote for impeachment because they do not want a primary opponent. It is the same as it always was.

    This is Soooo Funny. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 01:38:24 PM EST
    What are the odds it's FBI (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 01:57:40 PM EST
    Thank god for stupid insurrectionists.

    I Would Have Loved to Hear... (none / 0) (#118)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 03:54:00 PM EST
     ...that conversation.

    Room full of season FBI agents discussing the monumental task of going thru all the videos from airports, the rally, gas station, private security, etc.  

    All exasperated...
    Then some random assistant walks in and says why don't you just pose as a group putting a pardon list together for Trump and have people sign up ?

    I doubt many think they really committed any crimes so they are probably putting stuff like, "My crime is loving my country and President too much." or just turning in people they don't like.  But it is funny to think about.


    And yet on June 1st (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:05:10 PM EST
    they arrested 316 people. In one day.

    How'd they manage that?


    I Have No Idea... (none / 0) (#125)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:23:55 PM EST
    ...what you post means.

    I think it a reference (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:34:47 PM EST
    to all the black (and white) people they arrested for much less in the demonstrations last summer.

    When I put my tin foil hat on I'm starting to see some really odd decisions by law enforcement last Wed.

    So, the FBI reportedly physically visited dozens of known domestic terror threats prior to Wed and said basically we are watching you.  So evidently many of the heavy hitters and possibly leaders stayed home.  Likely leading to the fratboy/pigfu'k feel of the whole thing.

    Yet they issued no warnings prior, made no preparations or efforts to secure the Capitol

    Here comes the tinfoil, it's almost like they said let's just let these idiots swarm.  Clearly they are to stupid to do any real harm. (A decision that looks like a poor choice in hind sight).
    It would be understandable if they did not expect 8-10 thousand wild eyed rubes to swarm

    Live and learn.


    My Foil Hat... (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:57:11 PM EST
     ...has me thinking they did more then just let them do their thing.  How many stepped aside because they  believed the election was stolen and of them did any actually plan with anyone to offer little resistance.

    It's hard for me to believe that the little resistance wasn't coordinated at levels beyond the people we saw on the TV.


    I do think (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:05:56 PM EST
    if there was complicity it was above the pay grade of the guys getting beaten up.  And now considering suicide because of what happened.  

    You would hope congress would try to find out who made the decision.  But they will probably just look for a goat.


    There were Tons of violent threats (none / 0) (#129)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:49:04 PM EST
    online in the weeks leading up to Wednesday.

    At least one prominent journalist who monitors the wingnut sites more closely than I do, said wrote two weeks before the rally that he was sure they were going to storm the capital.

    Just how effin' clueless could the cops and FBI be? What if one of those whackjobs had set off an IED? That very easily could've happened.


    I believe (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:58:35 PM EST
    I personally made several predictions prior to the day.
    Multiple agencies including FBI and NYPD tried to alert the Capitol Police and offer help.

    Which is exactly my point.  It seems like the decision to NOT do anything almost had to be there.


    Not to do anything (none / 0) (#133)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:01:15 PM EST
    and then let the cops who believed in doing their jobs get killed.

    Time for an extensive Benghazi-like (none / 0) (#135)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:06:49 PM EST
    inquest. Trey Gowdy, where are you?

    Trey Gowdy (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:12:32 PM EST
    Has been saying some pretty dead on stuff

    Former Republican South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy said Thursday that he's "not real sure anymore" what the Republican Party "stands for" as he blamed President Donald Trump for the Capitol riot Wednesday.

    Gowdy said he did not know what role, if any, Trump would continue to play in the Republican Party but suggested the president incited the riot.

    "Did you listen to the president's speech yesterday?" Gowdy asked Fox News host Sandra Smith.

    "Then you tell me. Who said that? Who said go fight? Who blamed Mike Pence and blamed Republicans and said the election was stolen?" Gowdy asked.

    I Guess It's Too Much to Ask Trey Gowdy... (none / 0) (#139)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:24:40 PM EST
     ...to ponder Trey Gowdy's role in enabling Trump.

    Wayyyy (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:38:54 PM EST
    To much.  Gowdy Dooty was Trumps warm up act.

    Really? (none / 0) (#128)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:36:10 PM EST
    It means they arrested 316 people on June 1st and how many? 60? on Wednesday.

    Seems like quite a discrepancy. Limited resources or no limited resources.


    I agree, 100% (none / 0) (#137)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:15:21 PM EST
    But now the arrests are for major felonies and I would guess in June most were nuisance misdemeanors, harassment essentially.  I doubt many even stuck once in court.  Not that it isn't BS, but these guys are going down.  They are going to be the example of how America handles people storming the seat of government.

    I keep readying about maybe using RICO or the law that provides anyone involved in the criminal conduct can be held accountable for the crimes their partners commit, as in murder charges for all.  They are all screwed.

    I think it's time to stop putting BLM and insurrectionists into the same conversation about anything.  The white folks in this story aren't getting the kid gloves treatment because they are white.  I think a lot of these groups are about to feel what it's like to have the government breathing down their necks everytime they step outside.


    This (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:19:29 PM EST
    2. What other crimes did the attackers potentially commit?

    Legal experts say a wide variety of crimes occurred, and prosecutors could charge individuals even if they walked away from the incident without being detained. Members of the mob could be charged with trespassing, the "willful injury of federal property," and firearms offenses. Two explosive devices were recovered. A specific statute governs unlawful activities on the grounds of the U.S. Capitol, making it illegal to "step or climb on, remove, or in any way injure any statue, seat, wall, fountain, or other erection or architectural feature, or any tree, shrub, plant, or turf." There are also restrictions on blocking streets, carrying a firearm or using "loud, threatening, or abusive language" on the grounds with the aim of disrupting the work of Congress. The law also prohibits anyone who is not a member of Congress from appearing on the House or Senate floor without express permission.

    3. What graver charges are possible?

    Charges of sedition or insurrection would require proving intent to disrupt or even overthrow the government. (A sedition conviction carries a maximum prison term of 20 years.) During the Black Lives Matter protests in June, Trump issued an executive order stating that his administration would prosecute to the fullest anyone who did harm to federal property, which carries a sentence of up to 10 years in prison. There also may be prosecutions under the Anti-Riot Act, which makes it a crime to cross state lines with the intent to incite a riot -- or even just encourage another person to riot. The government can also choose to seek prison sentences of up to 5 years for those found guilty of engaging in "civil disorder," by impeding or attempting to impede the actions of law enforcement officers carrying out their official duties.



    I'm Gonna Go Out on a Limb... (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:30:27 PM EST
     ... and predict that social media is going to provide all the intent they need.

    Something that amazed me (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:25:32 PM EST
    Is they took a dump(s) and tracked it around a smeared it on walls and stuff.
    There are actually pictures of them peeing in various places.



    Patriots have to mark (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:45:13 PM EST
    their territory sometimes.

    If Trump had been there, they would've all run over and started grooming him.


    I see they've identified (none / 0) (#111)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 02:15:26 PM EST
    Camp Auschwitz hoodie guy.

    Why did they immediately arrest certain people and not some others who have been identified and did the same things as the ones arrested?

    I'm thinking of the Mormon twerp from Boise who live-streamed himself calling Pelosi a "traitorous bitch" and the son of the Orthodox Judge in Brooklyn?


    My guess is (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 02:21:17 PM EST
    It's take a number.  Today's BOLO on CNN is for Confederate Flag Guy

    The Deep State (none / 0) (#114)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 02:24:20 PM EST
    has more limited resources than we thought.

    You mean they can't really (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 02:29:34 PM EST
    identify your nose hairs from a block away based on nasal hair recognition software?

    However (none / 0) (#132)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:59:06 PM EST
    the investigation is being crowd sourced How Online Sleuths Identified Rioters At The Capitol

    The riot at the Capitol appeared to be almost all chaos and anarchy. But as private researchers and ordinary individuals scrutinized online video and photos, they identified some of those who took part and assisted law enforcement.

    There are tons of videos online being assembled into data bases like this one.  

    Not a big fan of the facial recognition stuff but this would a make a perfect field test for it, especially when they can stat cross reference it with various security footage from airports and hotels.


    That's cool (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:02:02 PM EST
    But way can't they identify Confederate Flag Guy after 5 days.  I actually saw a BOLO on CNN this morning.

    The FBI is asking for any help in identifying this man.

    There are dozens (hundreds) of pictures.


    Midland, Texas Mayoral candidate (none / 0) (#113)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    Jenny Cudd of Becky's Flower Shop fame.

    Pick her up before the Texans elect her to something. She's probably a frontrunner now.


    Gee, Charlie Kirk (none / 0) (#116)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 02:44:23 PM EST
    took down his tweet posted three days before the rally bragging about Turning Point USA sponsoring 80 bus-loads of people going to the Trump rally..

    Why'd ya do that, Charlie? I thought you were a man of principal.


    Nah, I'm good (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 08:02:27 PM EST
    Belichek turned down the Medal of Freedom, citing the Capital attack.

    Good for him

    The wheels of justice grind slow... (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 09:44:19 AM EST
    ....something, something, something.

    Let's hope they grind this f'cking guy

    Former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder charged in Flint water crisis

    the things (none / 0) (#189)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 10:50:52 AM EST
    that were done to people because they were poor and black amounts to genocide. I saw this last night and it gave me hope that maybe people are finally going to be held accountable.

    Doesn't this Prove... (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 15, 2021 at 08:31:20 AM EST
    ... how effective restrictions are and also how the government/governor can do all the right things, but if people don't abide the rate of infection will remain high.

    Restaurants/bars being only 2.5 percent...  Household/social gatherings account for 73.84 percent of the spread during the two months that were measured...

    I assumed the restaurant/bar numbers are after restrictions because otherwise it wouldn't make sense that home gatherings were 30 times higher than public gatherings.

    Thanks for the Hunter link (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 03:54:23 PM EST
    I needed that.  Amazing to think Nixon was a statesman and a scholar compared to Trump.

    Yes, while (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 10:50:39 AM EST
    both Nixon and Trump were crooks, Nixon's crimes were penny ante in comparison....back-dating income tax deductions and election felonies.  Trump is not only a bum, but also an enemy of the nation.  And, Trump's family is repulsive to boot.

    NO. Nixon interfered with an election, too (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:23:52 PM EST
    -- and won because of that, the "dirty tricks" throughout the campaign. I was a campaign worker, and iit was crazy coping with so many things that went wrong, for which there was no explanation until later revelations re what Nixon's tricksters did. And and his "plumbers" did not break into an empty office, . . .

    Election felonies are not penny ante,

    And by winning, he continued the war for years, which cost millions more lives,

    I am seeing a lot of thus dismissal of Watergate's significance latwly, and I don't understand why unterfering with an election then is less serious than interfering with an election now,


    I personally never meant (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:34:10 PM EST
    To minimize what he did.  Only that compared to Trump he was a statesman and a scholar.  You have to admit he was.

    You are (none / 0) (#157)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 08:33:53 PM EST
    right,   Comparisons  of crooks in different times and contexts may be misconstrued.   While qualifying the  crimes of Nixon as penny ante -- in comparison with Trump's, so as to underscore difference in degree not kind, allows the unintended interpretation of minimizing the kind and leveling the degree.

    In this case, it may be best to let each crook, Nixon and Trump, stand on his own.  Nixon has his own despicable record that in includes, in addition to the more well- studied Watergate scandal, his treasonous sabotage of the Paris Peace talks for his electoral advantage in 1968. And, it went from there.

    Now for Trump.  A despicable record topped off with incitement   to insurrection.  And, more to discover.


    It seems (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 03:59:46 PM EST
    the clock is ticking. Hopefully there are no more bombs in the clock.

    New story just broke that Trump called another official here in GA to "find the fraud". In other words I guess manufacture the fraud. I am beginning to wonder exactly how many calls he made to various election officials here in GA. I do know that when Cobb was doing a ballot audit, Mark Meadows and some others showed up and had to be kicked out. Maybe Meadows et al were hoping to manufacture some fraudulent votes.

    I actually think as bad as Wed was (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 05:28:32 PM EST
    It's having some very positive effects.  Like the post says, the Trumps are finished politically.  I really believe that.  The list of important republicans who have had it is growing.  Toomey said on FOX he has committed impeachable offenses.  There are many cracks growing now.

    Maybe the biggest positive is that the conversation now has really turned to the big lie, the election lie, that started this.  Not only is the lie being exposed and dissected constantly but also the liars.  Republicans are being called out in ways I don't think I have ever seen.

    Called out not just for the big lie but 4 years of lies and enabling.  There is constant talk about how if republicans had done the right thing and removed him last year people would be alive who are now dead.

    And not just the 5 Wed.  4000 people a day are dying because of Trump.  Many of them, thousands, would be alive today.   And thats part of the discussion too.

    And the whole freakin freak show has been exposed to the world.  It has embarrassed many of the right people.  This crazy mostly bloodless coup, it's a miracle only 5 died, has done this in a spectacular way we could never have hoped for giving the new justice department excellent reasons to crush these idiots they simply would not have had without the riot.

    It's not over.  But every bad thing that happens in the next 10 days will reinforce everything I said.

    So there's that.  The CooCoo coup is doing some beneficial things.

    I (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 05:34:43 AM EST
    have been thinking along the same lines. Wednesday was an huge historical moment, perhaps rivaling or surpassing 9/11 in significance. A bright red line has been drawn, there are no more dodges to the question of what side are you on?

    The narrative is being written and the MSM to their credit has been harsh and to the point. CNN has even labeled it "The tRump Insurrection", sounds good to me. Now if they can make it stick the rising tide of fascism will be turned back.

    Of course I have my doubts about the making it stick part.


    Never thought I would post a message by (none / 0) (#35)
    by vml68 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 12:57:41 PM EST
    Arnold Schwarzenegger but it is worth a listen.

    Just heard that speech (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:55:53 PM EST
    It was very powerful.

    You need to read the reply's (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 01:14:54 PM EST
    to that video to understand where we are.

    Hint - they are not positive.  Much "disappointment" with Arnold.  Kudos to Arnold.  It's chilling,


    As shaken as we've been by ... (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:04:21 PM EST
    ... the violence of recent days, and as disturbing as the details are about the complicit behavior of those who swore an oath to defend the Constitution, we will eventually arise stronger for this experience because many more Americans now understand and realize what can be lost in a democracy through citizen apathy and complacency.

    We've all heard an awful lot about the villains and bad actors in this shameful event during these past few days. Let's also please take note of a genuine hero, Eugene Goodman, a lone black Capitol police officer armed only with a baton, who purposely antagonized the invading white mob in order to divert their attention away from an open door to the Senate Chambers, which bought senators the critical minutes necessary to escape the vicinity and the mob's wrath. By putting his life on the line, he prevented an already tragic event from escalating into something truly horrific.

    Officer Goodman was one of the true exceptions in an otherwise generally mediocre (if not disgraceful) collective performance last Wednesday by Capitol security. He deserves to be the very first recipient of a Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Joe Biden.



    Those (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:52:59 PM EST
    that voted to not convict him in February are going to be haunted for the rest of their days by that vote. We got rid of 2 of them on Tuesday. Maybe Loeffler will attempt to redeem herself and vote to remove him now.

    Adam Schiff was right when he said he will do it again and again and again and you will be sorry if you don't convict. He should be a national hero for trying to tell the country.

    Moscow Mitch should go down as a reprehensible senate majority leader. I get the complaints about Schumer but he is light years better than Mitch. And Mitch should probably be stripped of any power. He can sit in the corner with his minority leader title but really having no more power than your average senator in the minority.


    It's a mistake to think republicans in general (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 08:31:55 PM EST
    have processed and internalized what WE hope this means for them.


    The Maricopa County Republican Committee voted Saturday to censure Cindy McCain, calling the longtime Republican a "troubled individual" who has supported "leftist" causes and candidates who run counter to conservative values, the Arizona Republic reports.

    They are quite unconcerned about your disapproval and mine.

    They see the results on an election in which they did about as well as they have ever done, other than Trump.  We are kidding ourselves to think many many republicans did not look at that riot and see a promising future.  

    The number of republicans, a majority in the house, who voted to support The Big Lie the day of the riot is as good an example as there could be.   And the fact millions, literally, millions of people are flocking to Parler.  They know what they are switching for.  Undiluted unadulterated White supremacist insurrection.

    This is far from over.  If it ever really is it will take years.  And many elections they lose.



    Oh, they (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 09:29:35 PM EST
    absolutely have not and I was talking more about when they have to face all the voters in their state. Maybe it won't make a difference for someone like Hawley unless GOP support collapses enough for him but someone like Ted Cruz? 200K or less more votes and he will be former senator. There are a lot of states that are on the edge.

    I saw an interview with Rick Wilson and he said basically the same thing you are saying. The GOP has decided to be the white nationalist party. Like you say they did as good under Trump as they have in a long time. He said they reside in a bubble and none of this is a problem for most Republicans.

    And Wilson said yeah, it's going to take quite a few elections to be lost before they get the message. He also said for Biden to be a success all he has to do is solve the COVID issue.

    Also some interesting points he made was that even if you can't get rid of them at the ballot box you can still make them miserable by going after their corporate donors. Do you think anyone wants to donate to Hawley or Cruz after all this? It would be a PR disaster for their company. Especially with millennials who "vote their values". I really liked this idea because I can call the donors of my rep and complain about them making donations to a treason weasel. He has made that kind of thing so easy now.

    We really need to start working on these governor's races and legislatures to get rid of gerrymandering and some of these odious voter laws the GOP has enacted.


    There is a lot of talk lately (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 09:42:59 PM EST
    about corporate money abandoning or threatening to abandon republicans

    I'm skeptical. They would of course say that.  Because they can pump all the dark money they want under the table.  If this caused corporate America to grow even a vestigial conscience that would truly be a miracle.

    I expect they will fund their interests like always.


    I do (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 09:52:27 PM EST
    know one of their major backers said Trump needed to be impeached and removed from office. Honestly though the voters they have now really don't care about "corporate interests" and probably would be just fine with them being dumped by them since most of them would be considered "globalists" by them anyway.

    Now if we can do something in congress about dark money then that will change that.


    It is possible that Hawley (none / 0) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:50:40 AM EST
    will lose the support of the  Republican power brokers within the state. We are seeing a little of that now. I don't see a possibility of him being voted out of office but I do see a slim chance of there being a successful primary against him if the powers that be in the state deem him too toxic. In Missouri you do not have to declare a party affiliation and if he gets a primary challenge, I can see some Democratic voters voting for his opponent. I know I would.

    The Beer Hall Putsch (none / 0) (#45)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:18:47 PM EST
    was unsuccessful too.  But they came back.

    This is not over.


    Frank Figliuzzi is right now (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:29:20 PM EST
    Discussing new reporting about how not only did the FBI and others warn the Capitol Police but the FBI actually intercepted several of the worst actors on the way to the Capitol on Wed.  That if they had not done this it might have been much much worse.

    He's saying this is new so it's probably on MSNBCs site.


    Here (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:33:54 PM EST
    "Ground control to Major Tom,
    Your circuit's dead. Is something wrong?
    Can you hear me, Major Tom?"

    So many of these people are just not living in the real world. And beyond our collective and immediate responsibility to hold Trump, the ringleaders and agitators liable and accountable for their actions, we need to figure out how to retrieve their QAnon methane-addicted followers from their present weightless orbit in the outer limits, and somehow re-tether them to earth.



    More Like... (none / 0) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:11:48 PM EST
     ...is there Life on Mars ?

    I think the brand is toxic. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 07:42:53 PM EST
    Hopefully this will lead to the demise of The Organization. They should have difficulty borrowing and possibly refinancing existing debts. Certainly none of the offspring or spouses will consider putting that toxic name on a ballot.

    NYC (none / 0) (#175)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 07:26:44 AM EST
    has severed all contracts with the organization.

    Don't tease us Mikey (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 07:42:31 PM EST
    "Vice President Mike Pence has not ruled out an effort to invoke the 25th Amendment and wants to preserve the option in case President Trump becomes more unstable," CNN reports.

    "The source said there is some concern inside Pence's team that there are risks to invoking the 25th Amendment or even to an impeachment process, as Trump could take some sort of rash action putting the nation at risk."

    But seriously I really do think there is a risk of real violence if he is removed.  Which is not to say don't remove him.  Just sayin it's a valid concern.

    The odds. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 09:02:40 PM EST
    of a dumb man becoming smart are not good.  Pence, apparently, still believes he has a strong chance of becoming the Republican nominee in 2024.  And, if  Trump orchestrating a putsch against another branch of government is not enough to act with dispatch, you would think Trump  sending his thugs to kill him, his wife and daughter would have done so.

    The Pence statement (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 09:21:42 PM EST
    leaked to CNN strikes me as a move to pacify and run out the clock.  I can't imagine him doing it.

    But republicans for some reason seem really spooked by the idea of impeachment  alternating between wheedling and threats.

    On Saturday, a group of Republicans sent a letter begging President-elect Joe Biden to urge Speaker Nancy Pelosi to reject calls for impeachment in the interests of "unity." The letter was panned as "blame-shifting nonsense."

    Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) went further, saying Democrats may "incite" violence by holding Trump accountable

    My answer would be (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 10:52:22 AM EST
    Unity would be you and your colleagues voting with us to impeach Donald J. Trump.

    Yes, and (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 12:04:06 PM EST
    unity and "moving forward" must begin with Republicans repudiating the Big Lie acknowledging the vote was fair and without widespread fraud and that Biden and Harris are the duly elected, by popular vote and electoral college vote, president and Vice President of the USA.  

    A bit like Hitler (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 11:08:18 AM EST
    asking for international unity from the bunker.

    or (none / 0) (#32)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 11:33:00 AM EST
    mercy for the orphan that murdered his parents.

    This (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 07:52:52 PM EST
    By Saturday morning, Apple listed Parler as the No. 1 free app for its iPhones."

    "But hours later, Apple said it had removed Parler from its App Store. Google had made a similar move a day earlier."

    And this (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 08:48:01 PM EST

    Amazon on Saturday kicked Parler off its Web hosting services, which means that unless it can find another host, once the ban takes effect on Sunday Parler will go offline, BuzzFeed News reports.

    Devin has a booboo (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 02:43:45 PM EST
    Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) complained on Fox News that "Republicans have no way to communicate" now that the Twitter alternative Parler has been effectively taken down by Apple, Google, and Amazon Web Services for refusing to adequately monitor its content for incitement of violence.

    Said Nunes: "I have three million followers on Parler. Tonight, I will no longer be able to communicate with those people."

    Maybe someone can explain the concept of a press release to the congressman.

    Maybe give him a fax machine.  I have one he can have.


    Maybe he could hold (none / 0) (#51)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:06:14 PM EST
    Town hold meetings with all of his constituents. It would be good for him to hear alternate views rather than intentionally drown himself in alternate facts.

    Or maybe he could go on national tv (none / 0) (#152)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:28:43 PM EST
    Oh, wait. . . .

    Well, (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 09:34:21 PM EST
    Glenn Kirchner said that Mitch isn't going to hold a vote on impeachment until the 19th. I guess this is to give people cover. He also said Schumer can continue it, have senators vote guilty or not and then vote on things like taking away his lifetime secret service protection, his pension and any and all perks.

    I get the whole more violence thing but I have to say that any violence that happens after the house votes to impeach is on Mitch. Whatever happens Mitch is going to be responsible.

    And I am damn sick and tired of having to coddle this terrorist toddler. Mary Trump said he has never been held accountable for anything his entire life and now is the time to end that.


    My Guess (none / 0) (#22)
    by RickyJim on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 10:42:44 PM EST
    After the 20th, many Republicans in the Senate, especially the ones running for President in 2024, will vote guilty and impose the penalty that Trump can never hold public office again.  

    Yeah (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 06:37:12 AM EST
    I was thinking that some of them would want to eliminate the competition. Kind of a conundrum for them though since the ones running for president are going to need Trump's voting base.

    Republicans (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 10:35:51 AM EST
    should now be able to see that half-hearted support for Trump will not do.  It must be full-throated and unquestioned.  Otherwise, they risk political or, possibly, biological, death.  There is no middle ground for them.

    Every hour that goes by (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 02:07:43 PM EST
    every new video that get released this gets worse for the republicans.  Like I said, I don't ever remember unanimous condemnation of a party that I'm seeing today.

    There is a feeling growing fast that something has to be done.  Like, right now.  The White house finally lowered the flag to half mast a little while ago.  After 4 days of outrage that it had not happened.  Very soon after Chris Christie said it was an outrage it had not been done on a Sunday show.

    Trumps support system is collapsing. I still think he could resign.  Either by choice or under threat.  Maybe with the carrot of a federal pardon.


    Josh (none / 0) (#39)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 02:31:38 PM EST
    Marshall makes an interesting point
    if there were a functioning federal government we'd be seeing regular press conferences updating the public on on-going arrests, health status of the injured, progress of the investigation. As far as I can tell there hasn't been a single one. Nothing from DOJ, FBI, Capitol Police, the Pentagon.
    The lack of official information on this is astounding now that I think about it.



    All still afraid (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:12:41 PM EST
    that they will get fired.  So we get nothing or rumor, such as a second Capitol police officer is dead, by his own hand.  What is this about?

    I just saw that (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:16:59 PM EST

    A lot of talk this morning is about what and who was behind this and how much of a plan it was.

    There are indications it was quite a plan.  With inside help.  Jus sayin.  


    Heres a link (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:19:44 PM EST
    With every new bit of info coming out (none / 0) (#57)
    by vml68 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:31:41 PM EST
    One frequent question (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    is who is in charge.  Clearly to the extent anyone is I would say it's Trump.  This is exactly the problem.

    Sunday shows (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:09:50 PM EST
    we're worth the time today.   Here's a good example of how lost republicans are (the picture of his face when saying it is good too) Roy Blunt said "the president touched a hot stove and he is unlikely to do it again".  This is the best they got.


    First why would a grown azz man touch a hot stove.  And that he is unlikely to touch the hot stove of inciting insurrection AGAIN is not that comforting,

    He did go on to say, which kind of make the earlier point, that he better not do anything else crazy.  Which had a more hopeful, wistful tone.  

    Trump doesn't think Pence will remove him -- so he's got a defiant week planned


    MO Blue, Is Roy Blount really that stupid? (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 03:32:01 PM EST
    That he would actually say those words? "He won't do it again"? Is he effing serious? He is more likely to touch the stove again and MORE. I have no doubts. This is not over. Between now and January 20 the violence will get worse. In more places. I'm concerned about violence in Harrisburg, very near me.

    It was my congressman, Scott Perry, who stood up at 12:03 on January 7 to object to the votes from his own state. I have launched my own one man campaign to broadcast his betrayal of Pennsylvanians. I have written every newspaper in the PA 10th. Up to now, I have never had a twitter, facebook or any other social media account. I will open accounts on all platforms to go after this guy, every day. I am already emailing him first thing every morning now to remind him he is a $cumb@g.

    The enablers all must pay.


    Stupid?? (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:35:12 PM EST
    Craven would be a better descriptor. Or maybe at this point you just need to say he is a Republican. Up to now, I have mainly focused on Traitor Hawley but tomorrow starts Blunt's day. I'm in complete agreement. All enablers must pay.

    Blout shoud heed (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:09:44 PM EST
    the advice of another Missourian, Mark Twain.  "We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest he be like that cat that sits down on a hot stove.  She will never sit down on a hot stove again and that is well, but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore."

    Trump Signs (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:20:45 PM EST
    Since June I have traveled to the Arkansas & Missouri border around 10 times.  The first time I was with some friends and I was blown away with the number and size of Trump flags.  I remember thinking to myself, 'There ain't no way we are going to overcome this kind of devotion.'  
    It was a depressing realization.

    They are everywhere.  In Texas you see them here & there.  Hardly see any in Oklahoma.  But AR & MO loves them some Trump flags.  Since the election, its been alarming that they aren't coming down. On any given trip, I would see hundreds & hundreds of them including when we drove back last Saturday.

    Yesterday we were driving back here and saw exactly one Trump flag.  It was in a tree and if I had to guess, to much work to go up and bring down.  At first I was like, this can't be, no way over a week they all came down.  But after a couple hours that is exactly what happened.

    I don't know what it means, but it cannot bode well for the President or his party.

    As a side note, I look forward to a day in which I am not reminded nor do I think about Trump.  Not a news story, not a bumper sticker, nothing Trump for a solid day.  The missing flags are a fantastic start.

    I have also noticed this (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:34:34 PM EST
    I think it might have something to do with the fact both my senators voted against challenging the election and Cotton has actually been pretty vocal and forceful.

    That surprised me.  And other people I know.


    What Do You Do for Internet ? (none / 0) (#69)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:28:36 PM EST
    I have a Tmobile hotspot, but its not unlimited.  My speeds in Houston ~400Mbps, here 15-20Mbps.  I can work and video conference, but because the data is capped, I'm having to really watch my Online TV time.  Netflix doesn't use that much data, but HBO Max tears thru it.

    We have pretty good service here (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:50:37 PM EST
    for such a remote place.  I guess because it's a tourist vacation spot.  I currently can have either DSL or cable. Cable is much better so it's  what I have.  Very fast.  DSL here not so much.  Cable as in the cable we used to get tv with.  You still can but I only have internet service and all my tv is internet based.  Wayyyyy cheaper and just as good.  Better in some ways.

    There is two power companies here.  Electric power.  One just installed fiber optic cable that provides both power and internet and phone.  It's great my friend has it.  Unfortunately they are currently only making it available to their electric customers. I am with the other power company.  They say they plan to make it available to me soon.

    Good coverage is not that common in the state.  I have friends who just bout a very expensive retirement house in a upscale area on the river 20 minutes from downtown Little Rock.  The only internet available to them is satellite. They don't even have good phone coverage.


    We Don't Have... (none / 0) (#82)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:45:33 PM EST
    ... phone(DSL) or cable here.  The neighborhood was not wired for either.  They tell me maybe fiber in a year as it two miles away.

    The only options are hotspot, satellite, or microwave(tower).  The speeds are so slow.  You are definitely fortunate.



    No doubt, these are people who can grumble and complain about liberals with the best of them. But deep down inside, I daresay a great number of them realize that Trump lost the election, fair and square. They want no part of any resultant escalation into violence and sedition. Generational memories being what they are, they know what happened to their forebears during the last U.S. Civil War. Things didn't turn out so well.

    I think (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:59:20 PM EST
    Some are just embarrassed. A bit ashamed maybe.

    To be clear there are still signs and flags.


    It is hard to believe (none / 0) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:39:19 PM EST
    That it wasn't that long ago that Missouri was a purple state. We always had pockets of "stupid" but it was never as wide spread as it is now.

    Much, rightly, has been (none / 0) (#54)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:22:06 PM EST
    said about the double standard in evidence last Wednesday at the Capitol--the what ifs regarding the insurrectionists being BLM.  We know that answer.

    However, I was also thinking of another, inverse case: What if this was BLM and the same soft law enforcement was in evidence--facilitating the insurrection, fun selfies, flags of BLM, police killing, few arrests at the time, and leaving as easily as they entered?  We also know that answer.

    As happy as I am (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:31:32 PM EST
    to see Buffalo Horns Guy, ZipTie Guy and Podium Guy in custody it's really important to not just arrest the rubes.  True there was a lot of White Supremacist Q a-holes there was also a lot of hapless dumb losers who have been led by the nose and fed a steady diet of lies and who just followed.

    Those people should be charged for the crimes the committed but those crimes pale compared to the crimes of the liars and inciters.  Those people can not be allowed to slink off to Parlor or some other cesspool to continue their work.

    We can't just grab the soldiers, even the evil ones, we have to get the officers and generals.  I'm afraid that won't hapoen.


    I was never comfortable with Buffy Ste. Marie's (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:26:00 PM EST
    antiwar anthem, "Universal Soldier" ("and he really is to blame"). No; while I do believe that each solider has a choice and thus responsibility to refuse participation in an unjust war (not necessarily an easy choice, but a choice nonetheless), it is the policymakers, politicians and profiteers who "really are to blame." Thus, I was and am more in tune with Dylan's "Only a Pawn in their Game," about how the responsibility of Byron de la Beckwith, the actual shooter, for the death of Medgar Evers, was shared with many who did not themselves pull the trigger.
      And by the way, yesterday was Joan Baez's 80th birthday.

    Officers (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:40:29 PM EST
    "The man who has led the `Stop the Steal' election protests nationally singles out Reps. Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs of Arizona for helping make Wednesday's pro-Trump gathering in Washington happen," the Arizona Republic reports.

    "The social-media video, which is gaining newfound attention, was taped before the event turned into a riot at the U.S. Capitol that left five people dead, including a police officer."

    Also credited is Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL).



    I haven't seen anything on (none / 0) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:48:08 PM EST
    identifying the police who were taking selfie's with the terrorist. I want them arrested and the police who are part of the white supremacists movement identified and removed from their positions.

    When I Heard One of the Cops... (none / 0) (#87)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:17:47 PM EST
    ...to respond killed himself, my first thought was he was one of the people who let them in the gate or was taking selfies.

    100% speculation.


    Same here (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:39:50 PM EST
    There is a lot of talk about how there might be an actual plan that involved insiders.  The news has been really staying away from the story about the suicide.  I think they are being really careful about it but suspect the same thing we do.  Total speculation.

    That said, it may have nothing to do with anything but shame at doing a crappy job a bad relationship.  That just seems less likely to me.


    My Feeling is if it Was Related... (none / 0) (#91)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 10:04:20 PM EST
    ...to his personal life they would have released that aspect without a doubt.  Not buying feeling bad about doing a crappy job because most are calling them heroes for keeping Congress safe.

    Suicide... drastic, can't help but wonder what will be uncovered.  The poor response and under-staffing is just so damn suspicious.


    CBS (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 12:26:45 PM EST

    The US Capitol Police has had to respond to "a couple of incidents" of officers threatening to harm themselves in the wake of the attack on Capitol Hill. This includes a female officer who turned in her own weapon for fear of what might happen, CBS News reports.

    A source said the department was demoralized: "There's tremendous moral injury, a sense of failure weighing them down. They went home to family and were asked how did this happen. And it's very easy for those officers to interpret that as `how could you let this happen?'"

    Still Waiting on... (none / 0) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:33:34 PM EST
    ... 'When The Looting Starts, The Shooting Starts' tweet from the White House.

    Football (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 04:30:03 PM EST
    What a weekend for football fans, first time ever 6 games on a single weekend.  18 hours in 2 days of playoff caliber games.  I love the new format and next year there will be 17 regular season games.

    Fortunately I am a Packer fan so we had the week off.  I like Seattle is out, hope New Orleans falls as well.

    I would love to see the Browns take it to the Steelers tonight.

    Trump to Award Bill Belichick the Medal of Freedom (none / 0) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:43:09 PM EST
    A worthless trinket. (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 01:00:19 PM EST
    Not (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 07:12:53 PM EST
    "New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has turned down President Trump's invitation to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the wake of the riots last week at the U.S. Capitol," the Wall Street Journal reports.

    "Belichick's pivot is a sharp rebuke of a president who has faced calls from Democratic lawmakers, and some Republicans, to be removed from office."

    WTF... (none / 0) (#158)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 10:12:55 PM EST
    ... as in WTF is the Trump doing, handing out medals to popular sports figures as the country devolves into chaos?

    Worse (none / 0) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 06:15:14 AM EST
    is his giving treason weasels like Devin Nunes a medal of freedom.

    Just on CNN (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 06:03:24 PM EST
    Tomorrow Nancy is giving Pence 24 hours to use the 25th.  Or else the impeach on Tuesday

    It might not seem like (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 06:07:33 PM EST
    much of a threat but it, impeachment #2, would be a first and only.  It would be the first line of Trumps obituary.

    I'm Confused... (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:09:06 PM EST
    ...how does the 25th Amendment work if there isn't a full cabinet ?  Do they need half of a full cabinet or half of the available cabinet?

    25th Amendment, Section 4:
    A majority of "the principal officers of the executive departments"

    But some have resigned and some were never confirmed by the Senate.


    Good question (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:32:21 PM EST
    No idea

    I commented (rather speculatively) on (none / 0) (#79)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:36:31 PM EST
    that question the other day.

    I have a Hard Time... (none / 0) (#86)
    by ScottW714 on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:09:15 PM EST
    ...digesting that Senate confirmed cabinet member is on the same footing as an acting cabinet member in the context of essentially removing the POTUS from office.  

    Whats to stop Trump from filling the vacancies with his family for a day or just firing them all and filling the seats with his most devoted followers for the vote.  

    I don't feel like acting members should be participating in the process nor do I think they should be in the line of succession either.  There is a reason for the Senate confirmation requirement.

    Obviously my opinion as I have no idea of the legal aspect.


    I was just going by the wording (none / 0) (#92)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 10:23:44 PM EST
    of the Amendment. Not expressing my "feelings". I think there is a statute defining who runs any given agency in the absence of a Senate-confirmed Secretary, including that someone denied confirmation cannot serve as "acting." (In fact, I think I may have read that a person whose nomination is pending confirmation cannot serve as "acting" secretary. So there must be some sort of legal regulation of this.) I hadn't considered your suggestion of a bad-faith temporary appointment, but I would refer back to my earlier comment, that an interpretation of any constitutional provision that would result in the provision's basic purpose being thwarted cannot be accepted as a correct interpretation.

    What what I heard (none / 0) (#84)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:50:14 PM EST
    It is half of the available cabinet.

    She was on 60 Minutes tonight. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:29:13 PM EST
    But it won't be aired out here for another 90 minutes.

    Fox wouldn't want to throw anymore (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 07:47:23 PM EST
    gasoline on the fire, but somehow senile loose canon Lou Dobbs is still raving about how "everyone knows" there was massive voter fraud, so why can't we find any evidence?

    Murdoch's minions aren't going to be happy until more than a measly handful of people get killed.

    Buckle up (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:06:05 PM EST
    Tim Alberta: (twitter) "The stuff I've heard in the last 72 hours--from members of Congress, law enforcement friends, gun shop owners, MAGA devotees--is absolutely chilling."

    "We need to brace for a wave of violence in this country. Not just over the next couple of weeks, but over the next couple of years."

    I'm gonna go out on a limb (none / 0) (#81)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:43:35 PM EST
    and guess that a surprisingly high % of these folks are self-professed Christians and other pious 'pro-life' folks, a lot of whom said Trump won in 2016 because God wanted him to.

    I really think (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:00:33 PM EST
    They are going to find the world without Trump and his puppet DOJ a very different experience than what they are used to. Many of these puds have no experience with "politics" except in the Trump era.

    Also the cops who have sometimes been sympathetic are going to be much less so now that the cops are beating them up.  Cops are their new enemies.  You and I know what it's like for cops to be enemies. Many of these guys do not.

    I almost want them to try it.  I've heard the big talk, personally, about how they have the guns and "they" better watch out.
    Dude, I've said, you might have guns but trust me, the cops and the gub'ment has more and bigger ones.

    Part of me looks forward to them learning this.


    Im a little worried (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:28:45 PM EST
    about some of these cops myself, after hearing the President of the Chicago Police Union spouting off after the assault on the capital. I have a strong sense that there were more than a few off-duty cops in that mob and many more sympathetic ones who weren't there on the ground.

    Trump said don't worry about slamming arrestees heads on the side of the car, and these bullet-heads took that to mean Trump is some sort of true blue ally of cops, unions, and the common working man (and guys who like crack a few skulls to get their frustrations out).


    Oh they definitely are (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 09:53:42 PM EST
    Especially in areas like mine.  I have mentioned I have multiple racist redneck LEOs in my family.  So this is not a surprise to me.

    However all the ones I know like their job. A lot. And will do it in a pinch.  Just like the ones getting beaten up on Wed.  Once you get used to giving people orders it's like crack.  Or so I've heard.

    Also something I was thinking about, the way that freak show on Wed went likely will make them take all the wrong lessons away from it.  In a way it almost justified the idea they can intimidate the gub'ment with their pushing and shoving.  This experience will not be repeated. They will not find the welcome mat out the next time they come.

    Not only that it strikes me that if they had been slightly less concerned with their social media and stealing crap to sell on eBay and a tiny bit more organized they really could have brought the country to it knees.  They really could have.

    I don't know if their failure to do that was because the FBI convinced all the heavy hitters to stay home or what.  But they missed their big chance.  I don't think they get another one.

    And I think when they turn on the cops the cops, most of them, will turn on them.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#93)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:04:20 AM EST
    the cops should take this song to heart
    Some folks are born made to wave the flag
    They're red, white and blue
    And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
    They point the cannon at you, Lord

    The guy beaten to death (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:56:00 AM EST
    with a fire extinguisher was a big Trump fan.

    where did you read that? (none / 0) (#102)
    by leap on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 11:57:14 AM EST

    N Y Post (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 12:22:18 PM EST
    The cop killed during the Capitol riots was also a President Trump supporter -- and his father hopes his death will now help stop "the lunacy" crippling the US.

    A Tr*mp supporter but seemingly a decent man. (none / 0) (#106)
    by vml68 on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 12:49:39 PM EST
    The very point (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 01:47:39 PM EST
    of mentioning my redneck Trump supporting LEO family is there are Trump supporting LE who will do their job.  Even die doing it.

    So all this (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 10, 2021 at 08:35:05 PM EST
    rhetoric about how he "learned his lesson" really wants to make my head crack open. They said the same thing in February that he wouldn't do it again. If they had done their job in February then we wouldn't be dealing with white nationalist terrorism all across the country. Now Trump is going to have rallies all this coming week first one at the wall I understand. This is not going to end well. I don't know why Pelosi is giving Pence 24 hours to a 25th amendment. We already know he won't do it even though Trump supporters were going to hang and murder him.

    Rudy (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 10:14:34 AM EST
    The very least consequence of (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 10:28:20 AM EST
    his actions is disbarment. Substantial prison time is warranted IMO.

    Not a career (none / 0) (#100)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 11:10:18 AM EST
    advancement.  Trump lawyers:  Roy Cohn disbarred. Michael Cohen, disbarred.   And,  drum roll warming up:  Rudy!

    Years and Years (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 10:24:55 AM EST
    I found this by accident last weekend.  It turned up in one of those "people who watched this also liked...."

    It's pretty great.


    Give HBO's latest drama six hours of your time, and it'll tell you the story of the 21st century.

    That's the promise made by "Years and Years," which airs on the cabler starting June 24 after a run on BBC One in the United Kingdom. The first episode begins in May 2019, and subsequent installments push deep into the 2020s, far enough to reveal that our future history looks less like an arc towards progress than a whirlpool of entropy. And though Emma Thompson steals scenes as an ambitious nationalist politician whose brashness and ease with the mechanisms of celebrity could generate comparisons to both Brit Boris Johnson or to at least one familiar American figure, it's not her story. To its credit, "Years and Years" -- among the most emotionally involving, and best, series to air so far this year -- keeps its aperture narrow even as the world keeps forcing its way in. This is, above all, the story of a family, one whose ordinariness makes them a powerful vehicle for telling the future.

    One of the first future blurbs was about Trump winning a second term.  It made me feel really good that we surprised our British friends and did the right thing.

    Someone at Secular Talk said (none / 0) (#119)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 03:59:39 PM EST
    Imagine being Melania. Now he's gonna wanna talk to her. That wasn't part of the deal.

    She deserves (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:05:45 PM EST
    Whatever she gets.  And more.

    I'm reading up on (none / 0) (#123)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:20:24 PM EST
    Parler founder (with Mercer money) John Matze's wife, Alina Mukhutdinova, whose family has longstanding Russian government ties, her mother Gulnara being recognized as an "Honored Builder of Russia" in Soviet times..

    Another example of American right-wing outreach to Russia, as it were? Or maybe it's just love. Who knows?


    This is funniest (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:23:50 PM EST
    if you imagine her saying it in her hokey pokey voice

    Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, writing in the Bangor Daily News:

    "My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol, but a police officer took over the podium and explained that violent demonstrators had breached the entire perimeter of the Capitol and were inside."

    Poor Me-lania (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:09:49 PM EST
    Melania Trump Suggests She's a Victim of the Capitol Riots

    January 11, 2021 at 9:54 am EST By Taegan Goddard 396 Comments

    Daily Beast: "In a deeply weird and jarring farewell statement posted by the White House early Monday morning, Melania first paid tribute to those who lost their lives in last week's violence carried out in support of her husband, before going on to settle some scores against unspecified people who she claims have `attacked' her over the past few days since the riots."

    "It's not exactly clear what she's referring to--it's hard to believe that Melania has really been at the forefront of anyone's mind since last week's unprecedented assault on American democracy."

    Reminds me of that (5.00 / 4) (#126)
    by jondee on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 04:27:33 PM EST
    Old Slovenian expression:

    I Really Don't Care. Do U?


    Another wife (none / 0) (#144)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:52:01 PM EST
    Ginny Thomas-- spouse of Clarence, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court.

    Apparently (none / 0) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:52:26 PM EST
    Stephanie Walcott wrote an article in the Daily Beast about what a horrible person Melania is. Melania must be on the daily lookout for her name in the press since I never heard her name mentioned.

    There was this (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:55:43 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 06:00:29 PM EST
    I am not sure about her overseeing rugs is malicious gossip  but according to that article Melania checked out 12 days ago. I am not sure what happened 12 days ago to make her check out. Maybe she finally realized it was over.

    So she's doing a coffee table book? I guess there are enough magats that will buy her garbage book.


    There are some (none / 0) (#146)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:55:05 PM EST
    rumors that the capitol hill police officer who committed suicide had ties to Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. I guess we shall see if that one ends up being true.

    Also Schumer (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 05:56:26 PM EST
    may be able to invoke some sort of emergency declaration from 2004 and get Ossoff and Warnock seated in the senate before proceeding with a trial for Trump. I hope Schumer is better and smarter than I think he is.

    Don is Gone Party on the 20th (none / 0) (#155)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jan 11, 2021 at 07:54:32 PM EST
    Anybody have suggestions for appropriate food and drink for a small group of Covid tested family and friends?  

    ... another pitcher of margaritas.

    Sheldon Adelson (none / 0) (#161)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 08:03:57 AM EST
    Dead at 87. Beyond that, no comment.

    Bette (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 08:53:48 AM EST
    "You should never say bad things about the dead, only good... Joan Crawford is dead. Good."

    Adelson has cashed out. (none / 0) (#163)
    by desertswine on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 11:34:24 AM EST
    I don't ever remember (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 12:55:24 PM EST
    a time in my life when it felt like their was no one in charge of the government.  If anything there was way to many in charge way too much.  Never thought I would miss that.

    The worst pandemic in living memory.  The botched effort to immunize is the medical equivalent of the Capitol Police.  

    It just seems like no one is in charge.  It's like living in the West Bank.

    I Like That Trump... (none / 0) (#165)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 01:52:14 PM EST
     ...has pretty much given up on governing and his staff if leaving and/or hiding.

    Trump could only make any situation that arises, worse, including the rollout.  I like that he's more worried about his image and legacy then any part of his actual job.  And it's almost funny that he just cannot let the election go...


    How did this man succeed in business, his thirst for vengeance seems to blind him to the outside world.  These minute petty wrongs he sees lead him to make a lot of really bad decisions in regards to very important things.


    Pfffft (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 02:34:17 PM EST
    I'm glad there is a briefing.  But the guy is not very good at it.

    He just say "every stone will be unturned"


    21 minutes in (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 02:43:24 PM EST
    Living in a red state, citizens in (none / 0) (#168)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 03:54:48 PM EST
    my state are under increased risk of COVID due to the incompetence of our Republican Governor and legislation . Here in MO they are not even close to vaccinating all healthcare workers and people in long term care facilities. Now that the federal government has expanded the pool of people to people 65 and with people with health concerns, that expansion will just make it more difficult for those 75 and older and essential workers to receive the the vaccine in the near future.

    Living in a blue state (CA), citizens in (none / 0) (#178)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 02:26:57 PM EST
    my state have more twice the risk of COVID than citizens your state due to the incompetence of our Democratic Governor and legislation.

    The guy renting across the street from me (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 05:37:59 PM EST
    is from CA. His wife and kid are still there. From what he tells me, the reason you are at twice the risk of COVID-19 is because your fellow Californians just don't give $hit about anyone but themselves.

    As a former Californian, (it's been awhile), that rings true to me.


    Cali's a huge state (none / 0) (#181)
    by jondee on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:17:32 PM EST
    I wouldn't generalize too much.

    I know when I lived in Texas, I felt at the time like I was up to my neck in a-holes, but even there I met some really good, decent people.


    across the street says.

    My neighbor across the street (5.00 / 4) (#191)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 12:19:22 PM EST
    called with a different phone number than the five health centers I have been calling daily to get vaccinated.  I called and have an appointment at 2:45 tomorrow to receive the Moderna vaccine.   YAY.   They say Moderna is 86.5 effective for people over 65.  Fine, I'll take it.  She said not to come early since they won't admit people until your exact time.  It's at Mariners Hospital, which is quite small, and only 19 miles up the highway.

    I literally cannot wait.

    According to 2 different sources, (none / 0) (#180)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 06:11:26 PM EST
    deaths per 100,000 as of mid 1/2021 are higher in Missouri than in California.

    Missouri 103
    California 79

    Missouri 106
    California 79

    Too many citizens in both states have decided not to practice the basic safety methods necessary to get the pandemic under control. Our governor, no matter the level of infection in our state, our governor refuses to even mandate mask wearing. Somehow, our health officials failed to recognize that not all Heath care workers are employed by hospitals or long care facilities and we are not even close to vaccinating the 1a population.


    You original comment, (none / 0) (#183)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 10:33:35 PM EST
    the one I responded to:
    Living in a red state, citizens in (none / 0) (#168)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 12:54:48 PM PST
    my state are under increased risk of COVID due to the incompetence of our Republican Governor and legislation .

    According to the CDC:

    Average Daily Cases per 100k in Last 7 Days
    CA 106.6
    MO 50.1


    iow, more than twice the risk of COVID... (none / 0) (#185)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM EST
    The citizens in my state (none / 0) (#186)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 12:26:54 AM EST
    are under increased risk due to the incompetence of my Republican Governor and legislation. To date, their handling of health guidelines and their vaccination rollout has been subpar.
    They did not even develop a workable plan to vaccinate healthcare workers in  our state. As stated, they were under the impression that all healthcare workers work in hospitals and had no plan in place to get those outside of the hospital environment vaccinated.

    According to the data I referenced, people have been dying at a much higher rate in Missouri than in California over an extended period of time. Average daily cases during one seven day period is a pretty small sample size but evidently California had more cases during that period.

    Neither state has the virus under control and the Missouri Governor and the Missouri legislation has been incompetent in handling COVID.


    Case rate per 1000 since 1/21/2020

    MO 6,959 (27th highest state)
    CA 6,953 (26th highest state)

    Looks like your Republican gov and our Democratic gov are doing an almost identically sh1tty job.


    My Opinion (none / 0) (#193)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 01:29:14 PM EST
    In Texas everyone wears a mask, when we drive to Missouri no one in Oklahoma wears them, Arkansas is mostly wearing, Missouri is about half.  But the one thing that literally shocked me, bars are wide open.  I haven't been able to sit down and watch a game in a bar like normal since early 2020.  Went out before Christmas here in Missouri to catch a game I couldn't get at home.  The bar was packed and I forgot about restrictions, if there are any, until I woke up the next day hung over and was thinking WTF.  I haven't been back since, but I will be the idiot that goes to the bar if there is a game I can't get at home.

    Bars should not be opened when Hospitals don't have the beds to treat non-Covid emergencies in my opinion.  That falls squarely on the governor.  I also think mask mandate should be at the federal level, the fact that its not is a huge failure of this administration.

    We will never know who can handle a pandemic better, but I do know that D's won't pander to the idiot brigade who thinks the Constitution covers cloth masks.  D's tend to respect the opinions of experts and that their policies would be much more in line with medical professionals than professional politicians.  We do know the federal government's response has been terrible, and I don't think anyone can argue that the total blackout of anything COVID, other than trying to take credit for the vaccine, should be criminal.


    Ya, my understanding is that (none / 0) (#194)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 01:56:27 PM EST
    about 35% of transmissions happen at workplaces, and about another 35% in the home. As far as I'm concerned masks should be mandated in both places.

    How would you propose (none / 0) (#197)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 03:40:58 PM EST
    enforcing a mandate in people's homes?

    I have barely left my home since the end of Feb. of 2020. My wife does the shopping and not much else. Why should we have to wear masks at home?

    That said, we do don masks if the infrequent outsider comes into the house (repairpersons, the rare neighbor).


    I don't propose that it can be enforced. (none / 0) (#198)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 04:39:23 PM EST
    I'm in much the same situation as you.

    Also, my apologies, my data points above are faulty, I was going off memory of an article I read about a month ago.

    In fact, according to contact tracing data released by NY State (such data seems to be hard to find on the interwebs these days) 74% (not 35%) of infections occurred in people's homes.


    To Clarrify... (none / 0) (#199)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 06:04:22 PM EST
    Household/social gatherings account for 73.84 percent of the spread during the two months that were measured, followed by 7.81 percent from healthcare delivery and 2.02 percent sourced from higher education students.

    I would not think being at home with the same people that you live with is not the same as a household/social gathering.  Still a significant and surprising number.

    But I'm not wearing a mask at home nor am I inviting people over.  But that's not to say people haven't been over.


    Also suprising is restaurants/bars (none / 0) (#200)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 07:16:51 PM EST
    being only 1.4 percent.

    Yes, there were bar and restaurant restrictions, in NYC only. The city is about 8.5 million, the whole state is around 19.5 million, so bar and restaurant infection rates outside of NYC were around 2%.


    Correction around 2.5% (none / 0) (#201)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 07:19:22 PM EST
    Still surprisingly low.

    Tell me if I'm overreacting (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 07:29:19 PM EST
    I keep seeing this commercial

    Watch it and imagine the race rolls are reversed.  I think you will see my point.

    To be clear, I am not offended.  And I likely would not be even if the races were reversed.  But a whole lot of people definitely would

    I guess I just think if words are going to matter they should matter for everyone.  I am bit shocked this commercial with this script was made.  

    guess I'm seeing what (none / 0) (#170)
    by leap on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 08:33:37 PM EST
    you are seeing. Actually, that ad made no sense to me, anyway. Not sure what the point was. Bad ad all around.

    guess I'm NOT seeing what (none / 0) (#171)
    by leap on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 08:35:18 PM EST
    you are seeing. Actually, that ad made no sense to me, anyway. Not sure what the point was. Bad ad all around.

    OK (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 08:44:26 PM EST
    You think if there was a commercial with an adult white man saying "you might wanna clean that up girl"
     to an adult black woman, no one would notice?

    I kinda think they would and that was the point.


    Perhaps I'm sensitive to the point (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 12, 2021 at 09:11:25 PM EST
    because once in the `80s living in NY I was chatting with my landlord who was black.  He asked me how I was settling in and I told him I had invited the black girl across the hall over for dinner and we had a nice time.  

    He said, "that's my daughter.  And actually she is a 28 year old grown woman"

    I felt terrible.  My liberal identity was scarred.  I meant nothing by the comment.  It's actually a very gay thing to say.  Partying  with the black girls.

    Anyway, ever since then I've been very aware of the perceived slight and I've never done it again.  To any "adult woman".


    Me Neither... (none / 0) (#176)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 10:00:48 AM EST
    ... too distracted by the stupidity of the whole thing.  Can't call a grown woman girl, well I think a lot of folks haven't gotten that memo.  

    That being said, if a white dude told a black woman to 'Clean that up girl.' it would be a problem for Progressive.  But that isn't what happened.

    I am curious what channel that is on as I haven't seen it yet ?

    What I really have a problem with those damn parentamorphosis Progressive commercials because they are starting to land a little too close to home.  I like submarines and I just bought an inspiration sign for our new house.  

    For the record, it does not saying anything like, No fussin', no cussin', no backtalkin'.  Anyone else notice that Dr. Rick is developing a temper ?


    I've seen it on many channels (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 11:28:00 AM EST
    but I have Sling so that's all the commercial tv I see.

    Yeah. (none / 0) (#174)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 05:02:09 AM EST
    I see it. However the commercial is insulting to women just doubly so if it was a black woman he was calling girl due to the history in this country.

    Back in the 80's when I was working in retail I got called "girl" by some customers. Of course I had to keep my mouth shut about it but it infuriated me.


    A Proud Boy (none / 0) (#182)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 13, 2021 at 08:47:35 PM EST
    supporter was arrested in Queens and held without bail for making death threats against Georgia's newly elected senator, Rev Warnock.

    Security needs to be provided for both Rev Warnock and Jon Ossoff.  Indeed, security should be provided for all Democratic senators, especially those in states with a Republican Governor who could appoint a Republican replacement.

    Bob Corker is back (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 12:12:06 PM EST
    and he expects apologies and six-packs from everyone

    I am saving (none / 0) (#195)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 02:11:17 PM EST
    my gifts for Jeff Flake.  

    Remind You of Anyone ? (none / 0) (#196)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jan 14, 2021 at 03:26:07 PM EST