Nancy Pelosi Re-elected Speaker of the House

Nancy Pelosi has been re-elected Speaker of the House.

Her victory means that after two years as President Trump’s most outspoken antagonist, Ms. Pelosi will now be responsible for trying to shepherd through Congress as much of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s agenda as possible.

The Dems have a pretty slim majority in the House.

On the Senate side, congrats to former Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper who was sworn in today by Mike Pence . [More...]

Also on hand and celebrating the largest number of new Republican female House Members was Liz Cheney, who apparently is now the ranking female Republican House Member. She said:

“As we like to say in Wyoming, it is time to cowboy up.”

Shouldn't that have been "It's time to 'cowgirl up' "?

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    Pelosi has said she will (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 03:59:36 PM EST
    step down after 2 years and I hope she sticks with that promise. It is time for the Democratic Party to usher in some younger people into the power structure of the party. While Pelso has many talents, IMO her messaging is no longer as strong or as precise as it needs to be.

    Across the board, members of the party need to do a better job promoting their agenda to the voters.

    I believe she said that the last time, too. (none / 0) (#2)
    by leap on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 05:45:57 PM EST
    She needs to give it up to someone younger, and not Steny Hoyer.

    My understanding of Nancy Pelosi's (5.00 / 7) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 08:53:42 PM EST
    tenure is as reported by NPR in December 2018.

     "In a deal struck with a group of House Democrats who had vowed to vote against the longtime Democratic leader in next month's House speaker election, the California lawmaker agreed to term limits that would see her hold the post through 2022 at the latest."

    Pelosi stated at the time, "Over the summer, I made it clear that I see myself as a bridge to the next generation of leaders."

    These troubled times for the nation can benefit from the leadership and experience Speaker Pelosi brings.  And, I look forward to President Biden's State of the Union address where two exceptional women will be sitting behind the president, for the first time in the nation's history.


    Definitely (none / 0) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 07:26:32 PM EST
    need someone younger.

    Read this headline out loud (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:57:18 AM EST
    What he said (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:59:20 AM EST
    Extra Bonus Quote of the Day

    January 6, 2021 at 9:08 am EST By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments

    "Buckle up!"

    -- Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), on Twitter, ahead of a joint session of Congress meeting to ratify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election.

    Trump must (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:05:40 PM EST
    be impeached today and convicted by the senate immediately thereafter.  The country is at risk these next two weeks. Trump has incited an insurrection.  The Capitol police have lost control of the building and it looks like a coup.  Why so little. Law enforcement.  Are they a part of this.

    I suspect only that the Capitol Police (none / 0) (#8)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:16:48 PM EST
    were unprepared. If the "protesters" don't leave pronto, I expect that there will be a massive response.

    How could they not be prepared for this? (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:35:19 PM EST
    This is exactly what I expected to happen today. And I'm just some schlub 100 miles north of the Capitol. I guess they should have consulted with me,

    Orange doofus was full demented batshit crazy in his speech earlier. He did this. He told them to "be strong." I said at that moment it was code. He wanted this to happen. This is great TV.

    It's time for him to be removed. Time for his Mussolini moment.


    I think so too (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:21:27 PM EST
    And it's not going to be easy to remove them.  There are absolutely guns.  And they have been using them.

    CNN (none / 0) (#10)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:24:18 PM EST
    reporting that a woman has been shot. The police seem woefully unprepared.

    Seriously (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:26:06 PM EST
    It's been said already.  Today? Seriously? Today?  Anyone "unprepared" wanted to be unprepared.  

    Inside the senate (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:32:55 PM EST
    Yes, (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:43:53 PM EST
    who could have predicted this?    Every sentient person.  A confederate flag made it inside the Capitol, something not accomplished during the Civil War.   And, the first storming of the Capitol since 1814 by the British.

    There are (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 03:40:28 PM EST
    videos of police taking selfies of the insurrectionists inside the Capitol.  Community policing.---a new rendition.

    It's about to get interesting (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 03:48:18 PM EST
    There is a curfew in 2 hours.

    A sleep over at Teds (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:08:14 PM EST
    A source close to the White House who is in touch with some of the rioters at the U.S. Capitol told CNN it's the goal of those involved to stay inside the Capitol through the night.

    The cops are nicely (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:26:49 PM EST
    Pushing the insurgents out of the Capital Building. Not seeing any arrests. Kid gloves from what I can see.

    Wow (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 05:56:53 PM EST
    They have just announced that there has been 8 arrests. Can you believe that . Mass destruction, a women dead, thousands of domestic terrorists storming our Capital and threatening our government and crickets. A whole whopping 8 people have been arrested. Thousands are milling around after curfew and there is no move to arrest them.

    The rioters (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Zorba on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:17:25 PM EST
    Are predominantly white, after all.  Think about what would have happened if they were predominantly black.
    (Although, it's not just their race, it's their ideology.  If they were lefties, it probably would have gone worse for them.)

    Trump loves them (none / 0) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:29:59 PM EST
    so their actions are ok.

    They have said a couple of times (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:35:51 PM EST
    that Mitch and Nancy are both pushing to get back into the building, at whatever time, to continue what they were doing because they can't allow this to stop it.

    Very good they are absolutely right they have to get back to it.


    Delaying the (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:47:26 PM EST
    date may be part of the conspiracy.   Then the claim can be made that Congressional tallying of the electoral vote was not Constitutional. --- missed the date.

    The Congress needs to finish its work and vote on an impeachment article:  incited a violent insurrection against the US Congress to prevent the discharge of the public's business.   .


    Political Wire (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:56:33 PM EST

    Senior Democratic and Republican lawmakers are discussing reconvening the joint session to certify Joe Biden's electoral victory later tonight in an attempt to show that Congress will not yield to rioters.

    I would almost bet (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:57:14 PM EST
    There will be no more objections.

    IED (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:52:21 PM EST
    Maybe 2.   Found on the grounds.

    More bombs (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:07:21 PM EST
    "An explosive device was found at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee in Washington and the nearby headquarters of the Democratic National Committee was evacuated after the discovery of a suspicious package on Wednesday," the New York Times reports.

    Meanwhile, CNBC reports the FBI "is investigating suspicious devices after reports of improvised explosives on the grounds of the U.S. Capitol."

    Cruz, Hawley, Gym Jordan (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 02:53:00 PM EST
    And the rest of the coup leaders need to call the whole thing off.  Withdraw objections and move quickly through the ministerial duty.  

    They are complicit (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 03:00:36 PM EST
    To Hawley:
    You must be really proud that your supporters have taken over the US Capital and prevented the lawful completion of your Constitutional duties of confirming the election of our next president. Your name will go down in history along with that of Lin Wood, Sydney Powell and Donald J. Trump as those who are complicit in the attempt of taking over our democracy.

    You have willingly chosen to ignore your oath of office and through your rhetoric and your actions have encouraged the anarchists who have taken over our house of Congress and threatened our members of Congress. You are complicit. If blood is shed, that blood is on your hands. You have disgraced your office and should resign.

    Email 2 to Hawley.
    A women is now in critical condition after being shot in the chest. Her blood is on your hands. Your supporters are breaking out the windows of the Capital and entering the building. Our elected officials are being terrorized and in lock down. You must be so proud. Actions and irresponsible rhetoric have consequences. We are watching in real time the consequences of your  choice to try to prevent the lawful transition of Presidential power. This armed insurgency, this violence is the result of your choice to give these deranged conspiracy theories oxygen. You have achieved your objective of preventing confirmation of Biden's Electoral College victory. You must be proud of your supporters. Their insurgency achieved your objectives. This is the result of choosing to feed your blind ambition rather than uphold the duties of your office.


    Excellent (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:20:20 PM EST
    An investigation is needed into this coup attempt.  Trump, of course, is the ring leader but there is, clearly, a cabal of insurrectionists.   From the senate and House Republicans involved in the certification stunt, Giuliani, Hawley, Cruz  and other goons, to the police/security and terrorists.  I start with there being no happenstances  or coincidences, and work from there.  

    And,PS. (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 05:07:34 PM EST
    Hawley. Cruz resign.

    Saw this, thought it appropriate (5.00 / 4) (#185)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:02:18 PM EST
    It's not a coup unless it's from the coup d'etat region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling white terrorism.

    This photo of Hawley says it all. (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by vml68 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:10:33 PM EST
    The Kansas City Star (none / 0) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:21:13 PM EST
    According to MSNBC, Hawley sent out a fund raiser while the Capital was under siege.

    Google Headline confirmed. You have to register to read so I'm not going to link.


    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:45:20 PM EST
    That really is brutal. Someone should read it on the floor of the senate tonight. I especially liked when they skewered Mitch for continually lying to the public and only now realizing that there are consequences to that lying.

    It says (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:24:04 PM EST
    He has blood on his hand.  And a lot more.

    You can read the editorial from (none / 0) (#41)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:31:42 PM EST
    the KC Star without registering. Everyone should read their evisceration of this snake.

    I had to register (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:37:08 PM EST
    I could read it without registering, (none / 0) (#67)
    by leap on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:36:41 PM EST
    Still asking me to (none / 0) (#68)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:39:09 PM EST
    register. Thanks for trying.

    clear your cache (none / 0) (#144)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:01:32 PM EST
    What works for me: Close your tabs on your browser. Then clear your cache (internet browsing history) including removing  cookies.  (You don't have to remove your passwords). Once the paper's website is no longer open in your browser and you've removed cookies to it,  you will appear as  a first time visitor and  almost all media sites let you read at least one article for free.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#145)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:10:27 PM EST
    Will try.

    Actions have consequences (none / 0) (#137)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 08:23:49 PM EST
    Josh Hawley's book on `tyranny' cancelled -- he is a `threat to democracy and freedom': report

    On Thursday, following the attack on the U.S. Capitol, publishing house Simon & Schuster announced that they would be canceling publication of an upcoming book from Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO).
    According to Simon & Schuster, the decision was made as a result of Hawley's role in the riot; while he did not explicitly endorse it, he spread President Donald Trump's lies about election fraud and led the charge in Congress to overturn the election, giving credence to the conspiracy theories that drove the rioters. He was also photographed waving to the rioters shortly before the attack.

    Doubt Hawley anticipated this (none / 0) (#148)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:22:15 PM EST
    Mega-donor who bankrolled Josh Hawley calls for senator to be censured: 'We owe it to our children"

    "Hawley's irresponsible, inflammatory, and dangerous tactics have incited violence and further discord across America. And he has now revealed himself as a political opportunist willing to subvert the Constitution and the ideals of the nation he swore to uphold," Humphreys said in a statement. "Hawley should be censured by his Senate colleagues for his actions which have undermined a peaceful transition of power and for provoking yesterday's riots in our nation's capital. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to protect our country and its Constitutional underpinnings."

    No loss, (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:58:52 PM EST
    his material has probably been covered in Mein Kampf

    Accountability (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 03:03:47 PM EST
    Is a word we need to start hearing.

    I would not be surprised (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:03:55 PM EST
    at a serious effort to remove Trump from office.  If he won't stop I think they just might stop him.  At least stop him from being President.

    Pence and Mitch have got to be discussing it.

    CNN (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:39:17 PM EST

    The National Association of Manufacturers, one of the most influential business groups in the US, called on Vice President Mike Pence Wednesday to consider removing President Trump from office.

    The statement from NAM, the nation's largest manufacturing association, marks perhaps the strongest political statement by a major business group in modern history.

    Pence "should seriously consider working with the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment to preserve democracy," NAM CEO Jay Timmons said in a statement.

    We still have two more weeks (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:04:52 PM EST
    From today.

    I have a (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:37:55 PM EST
    19 year old born August 2001 5 weeks before 9/11. We were talking at supper and I said you really have had an eventful life. There always has been a war. You've experienced what happened today in DC. You have experienced the women's march, March for Our Lives and school shootings, Sandy Hook, so much. My older son born in '93 at least started his life with peace and prosperity. My son says he thinks the 20's are going to be as crazy as the last 20 we have had. I said no, I think things may become quite boring. I hope I am right. The last 20 years have more or less been authoritarian minority rule. I hope we have seen the last of that.

    Nancy should refuse to seat him (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:02:54 PM EST

    "A newly-elected member of West Virginia's House of Delegates was among the mob who stormed the U.S. Capitol today," West Virginia Metro News reports.

    "Derrick Evans (R) livestreamed and then deleted videos from inside the Capitol, but others took screenshots and videos of the original videos."

    One video shows him in the Capitol interior while surging through a door. He says, "We're in! We're in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!"

    They should not only refuse (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:13:42 PM EST
    To seat him. They should arrest his sorry a$$.

    Pence just complemented law enforcement on their quick response. What a lie.


    It was a lie (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:17:56 PM EST
    But he was not kind to the "patriots".  Neither was Mitch.

    Lankfords 5 minutes was interesting (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:24:10 PM EST
    He was one of the objectors.  He hardly mentioned it.  In passing saying wistfully "we are not gonna get our `commission' now".  Spent most of the time distancing himself from the riot.

    So (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:29:56 PM EST
    This has been moved to prime time.  Even better.

    I don't have networks.  Is this being carried by the networks?


    WaPo (none / 0) (#62)
    by leap on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:22:00 PM EST
    I was just wondering if the networks (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:23:43 PM EST
    ABC, NBC, CBS were carrying it.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:40:23 PM EST
    I tuned in for Chicago Fire and found congress critters.

    Lee just spoke (none / 0) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:35:22 PM EST
    He state their only job under our Constitution is to count the votes. Nothing else.

    Oh nooooo (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:38:33 PM EST
    Fascist Barbie has reconsidered.

    No longer objecting.  


    No longer objecting (none / 0) (#57)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:06:29 PM EST
    Just continuing to promote the same disinformation that the election was rigged.

    Well, if she (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:09:26 PM EST
    admits that the presidential election wasn't rigged that means that she also lost fair and square. I think she's having a fit swearing she didn't lose yesterday. Honestly I am just so glad she's not my senator anymore that I am trying to ignore her.

    You're welcome to my Jr. Senator. (none / 0) (#66)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:31:17 PM EST
    Joy Reid is stating that Hawley should resign. I totally agree.

    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:51:38 PM EST
    and Hawley should take Cruz with him.   But what to do about Trump?  He is the Commander-in-Chief for two more weeks. White House staff are curiously bailing ahead of schedule.  Trump is armed and dangerous   He needs to be removed, now.

    So glad (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Zorba on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:21:27 PM EST
    Hawley isn't my Senator.  

    I'm not sure how (none / 0) (#85)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:37:00 PM EST
    Missouri has turned into such a deep (insane) red state. We've always had a Bible Belt and were slightly conservative but never this bad in the past. At one time we elected a dead man rather than elect the likes of John Ashford. John Danford, one of our successful Republican politicians, was sane and a good man even though I didn't agree with some of his policies. We voted Baby Blunt out of office due to how poorly he handled his job. Now a large segment of the state is completely bonkers.

    Somehow I missed that Danford (none / 0) (#115)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 02:53:47 PM EST
    had worked to get Hawley elected. Per MSNBC, he just issued a statement saying it was one of the worse decisions of his life. Danford still holds some sway with Republicans in Missouri. If the gods are kind, Hawley will become a person to be shunned by saner Republican leaders within the state.

    Is that (none / 0) (#118)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 04:01:57 PM EST
    John Danforth, rather than "Danford"? Or a different person?

    Danforth (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 04:05:44 PM EST

    Said Danforth: "Supporting Josh and trying so hard to get him elected to the Senate was the worst mistake I ever made in my life. Yesterday was the physical culmination of the long attempt (by Hawley and others) to foment a lack of public confidence in our democratic system. It is very dangerous to America to continue pushing this idea that government doesn't work and that voting was fraudulent."



    reading the comments under that piece (none / 0) (#120)
    by leap on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 04:18:17 PM EST
    is most encouraging. About 95% of them trashing Hawley AND Danforth. Good! Danforth was also a pusher for Clarence Thomas' position on the Supreme Court. Seems he has never apologized for that gross error of judgment.

    The hearings to seat (none / 0) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:36:15 PM EST
    Clarence Thomas highlighted the faulty judgement of both Democrats and Republicans.

    Danforth, of course (none / 0) (#134)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:30:37 PM EST
    I would like to state that the mistake was due to my poor spelling skills. Unfortunately, the mistake was due to my winging it with a faulty memory.

     Yes, Danforth was a Republican and therefore, far from perfect. All things in perspective, he was sane compared to our current Senator and IMO would not have gone along with undermining our elections.


    Thanks (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:56:20 PM EST
    but no thanks. Loeffler and Perdue have been enough and Saxby Chambliss before that.

    `Scuse me (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:08:25 PM EST
    Nancy is not the official involved

    I thought I understood that this W.Va. bozo (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:41:03 PM EST
    is an elected state legislator, not a member of Congress.

    I did correct that (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:43:33 PM EST
    In the next comment

    Just checked (none / 0) (#79)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:19:17 PM EST
    You are right. I should have verified before responding.

    A newly-elected member of West Virginia's House of Delegates was among the mob who stormed the U.S. Capitol today," West Virginia Metro News reports.

    Regardless, he should be removed from his government position.


    GOP Legislators love white men riots (none / 0) (#113)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    Nancy has no say. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:37:01 PM EST
    He's a WV Delegate. Not a US Congressman. He should prosecuted by the US and thrown out of office in WV.

    Sorry. I see you already addressed. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:38:10 PM EST
    I just realized (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:45:52 PM EST
    I had not thought about the pandemic for several hours.

    Yeah...every now and then I remember (none / 0) (#159)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 12:11:25 PM EST
    4000 people a day are dying. Horrible week.

    Zukerdork (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:11:22 AM EST
    Says FB is banning Trump permanently

    Thanks for you typical CYA move.

    Correction (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:41:14 AM EST
    Only until he is not president.  Which makes a little sense as you would expect Zukerdork to make.

    They just can't stop lying (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 09:51:23 PM EST
    it's addictive, the way murder is for serial killers..

    The facial recognition software company that Gaetz, Lin Wood, Ingraham, and The Washington Times claim helped them identify Antifa members inside the Capital, has issued a cease and desist order to the maroons, specifying that the company never at any time helped identify anyone.

    Y'all Qaeda (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:24:49 PM EST
    and Vanilla Isis is now saying they are coming back to the capitol on the 19th to "finish the job". The GOP had better quit lying and start telling these people the truth.

    And Lin Wood is on parler (none / 0) (#151)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:57:37 PM EST
    telling people that Trump is currently sequestered at a military base gathering forces for "The Storm" that will overturn the election and set everything aright.

    Did Lin, Sidney Powell,and Rudy start micro-dosing with psilocybin in the last year? It's contraindicated for some people.


    Wood (none / 0) (#152)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:20:44 AM EST
    might have had some sort of mental breakdown. Rudy is just another Trumpster grifter and I have no idea what Powell's thing is.

    Do you read any of the comments on Parler to Wood's posts? I have to say not an insignificant amount of the comments are saying you have been promising us the storm for a while now and stop it's over and quit lying to us. But there are still those that persist in believing that Trump is going to continue to be president because God is going to deliver the presidency to him. They are running short on time but talk about God parting the red sea for Moses.


    Does this surprise anyone? (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:10:13 PM EST
    "President-elect Joe Biden's plans for a major new economic relief package boosting stimulus payments to $2,000 ran into possibly fatal opposition from his own party Friday as Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV.) said he would `absolutely not' support a new round of checks," the Washington Post reports.


    Per the most recent data I could find, West Virginia ranks as the 3rd poorest state with a poverty rate of 16.6%. A lot of his constituents are in desperate need of the extra money.

    I really dislike this man.

    I tend to think that as of January 20 (none / 0) (#181)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:21:23 PM EST
    Senator Manchin will be the most powerful person in the Senate, and one of the most powerful in America. He personally controls the Democratic "majority."

    He will delight in exercising his power (none / 0) (#182)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:50:49 PM EST
    to the detriment of the country and the Democratic Party.

    It was a given that the Dems needed more than a simple majority to achieve any worthwhile legislation. Manchin was always going to the Dem version of the Grim Reaper.

    When the Dems are unable to produce the benefits they campaigned on and pay the price at the ballot box, we will have Manchin and others of his irk to thank.


    Maybe, but for Stimulus... (none / 0) (#186)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:04:09 PM EST
     ...I think more than a couple R's will vote for it.

    When re the GA Senators to take office ?


    I agree about Republican votes (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:13:36 PM EST
    I read yesterday GA planned to have the vote certified by the 20th.  Then they will be sworn in.

    I foresee Infrastructure Week in WV (none / 0) (#190)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:21:09 PM EST
    He's just opening up the bargaining.

    Yes, that (none / 0) (#194)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:53:40 PM EST
    is my sense of it.   Manchin is in a very red state, and manages by being wily.   In a crunch, such as the impeachment trial, he often comes through.  As bad as he might be as a Democrat, he is better than getting a Hawley.  Of course, anyone would be.

    As you said (none / 0) (#195)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:56:50 PM EST
    Better than a Hawley. Yet, I'm not convinced that this is just a bargaining chip. I hope you are right and I am wrong.

    He may have some company soon (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:00:27 PM EST
    This Friday, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) called on President Trump to resign the presidency, adding that if the Republican Party is unable to distance itself from Trump, she may not be associated with it in the future.

    I've been wondering about this.  I bet she is not the last to consider not being a Republican any more.


    When the rats (none / 0) (#202)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:21:13 PM EST
    jump off, the ship is sinking

    @k checks (none / 0) (#204)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:33:51 PM EST
    On the other hand, I believe there will be some Republican support for this. Particularly once McConnell is out of the way and measures are allowed to be brought to the floor with out the so-called 'majority of the majority'rule.

    Unbelievable - Civil War Veteran's Widow... (5.00 / 4) (#187)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:11:56 PM EST
    ... died in December.

    You may wonder, 'Scott is that a misprint, are you high, there is simply no way a civil war veteran's wife was walking on planet Earth last month.'

    And yet she was.

    What an interesting story (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:53:32 PM EST
    Hope everyone clicks on the link and reads it.

    I really hope (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:18:31 PM EST
    the Secret Service is less incompetent than the Capitol Police.

    "Joe Biden will begin his new journey as the 46th President of the United States in a familiar way: riding Amtrak from Wilmington to Washington," CNN reports.

    "A day before he is sworn into office, Biden is planning to make his way to the nation's capital on a family train trip that will be part of the festivities leading up to the inauguration on January 20."

    IMO, the Capital Police (5.00 / 2) (#196)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:59:15 PM EST
    was set up to fail. By their own leadership or those above them, that seems to be the question.

    The leadership had to go. (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:04:34 PM EST
    They were taking selfies.  I expect the selfie takers will also go.  They refused help from multiple organizations before Wed.

    They (leadership) were either way to friendly with the goals of the mob or unforgivably stupid.

    Rachel did a long segment on this last night and there is starting to be lots of reporting on what the hell happen.


    Gotta love this (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:24:52 PM EST
    I watched that (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:47:56 PM EST
    and yes, I did love it. He is getting it from both sides and he deserves that and more.

    Who (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:08:19 PM EST
    could have seen this coming?

    Actually the whole sorry mess has been so entirely predictable, up to the point inevitability.

    What I find amusing is the serious "the emperor has no clothes" moment that has swept thru the media, the     punditry and a significant number of Republicans(although some of those are surely just rats jumping ship).


    Twitter has finally permanently banned Tr*mp. (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by vml68 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:33:52 PM EST
    There are a couple of open threads (5.00 / 1) (#208)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 07:19:40 PM EST
    That are not full.

    CNN just said (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 05:41:05 PM EST
    Could ngress will resume their work at 8

    Congress will (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 05:41:41 PM EST

    Rand (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 06:55:49 PM EST
    Said Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY): "There's gonna be probably 30 or 40 more minutes of debate, and one vote. I just don't think there's going to be another objection. I think it's over at that point."

    Arizona... (none / 0) (#90)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:15:41 PM EST
    ...vote in the Senate, 6 objections.  Hawley for some reason brought up Pennsylvania during the Arizona debate.  The news is saying he will object in Pennsylvania, but yield his time, which means a written objection, but the objection allows everyone else their 5 mins.  This will probably still be in session when I get up in the morning.

    Pat Toomy had a damn good speech as to why Congress does not select determine which electoral votes to count.

    I hope they print Romney's speech for Arizona.  Romney said to Hawley, 'The best way we can show respect to the voters that are upset is by telling them the truth. That's the burden, that's the duty of leadership.'

    Graham's wasn't too bad either.  'Vice President Pence, what they are asking you to do, you won't because you can't.'  & 'Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the lawfully elected and wil become the President & Vice President of the United States on January the 20th'.

    Powerful stuff from republicans all shooting down Trump's notion that he won.


    CBS news (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:45:55 PM EST
    is reporting that the cabinet is discussing triggering the 25th amendment on Trump but has not presented anything to Pence yet. I guess that is the catch. Would Pence go along? I have my doubts on that.

    The (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 07:48:35 PM EST
    My Senator (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:06:26 PM EST
    For the first time

    Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) called on President Trump to concede his election loss to President-elect Joe Biden, saying he should "quit misleading" the American people.

    "It's past time for the president to accept the results of the election, quit misleading the American people, and repudiate mob violence," Cotton said in a statement Wednesday evening.

    "And the senators and representatives who fanned the flames by encouraging the president and leading their supporters to believe that their objections could reverse the election results should withdraw those objections," he continued.

    How is that (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:08:05 PM EST
    going to go down back home?

    Good question (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:10:49 PM EST
    We are not as dumb as our reputation.  It might be smart.  

    Also (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:15:52 PM EST
    I've said more than a few times Cotton is playing to a larger audience.  He was just elected to what I assume he assumes will be his last senate term.  

    I think this is the first time (none / 0) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:24:39 PM EST
    I agreed with and truly respected anything Sen. Cotton said.

    My traitorous Senator is speaking now and he is refusing to relinquish his objection not only to Arizona but also Pennsylvania. He continues to spread the lies that have encouraged today's riots and the siege of our Capital.


    Good tho (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:26:56 PM EST
    that he got into PA.  During the AZ discussion.

    Good indication there will not be another


    His Press Release... (none / 0) (#92)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:21:14 PM EST
    ...said he is objecting to Pennsylvania, but yielding his 5 mins.  He will submit a written objection, but its an objection and will allow everyone else their 5 mins.  
    The House is objecting as scheduled.

    No 25th Amendment tonight as Pence will be presiding over this until morning.


    Several resignations (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:40:10 PM EST
    Including this.

    Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, who is also the wife of Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), is considering resigning her post in protest of President Trump inciting violence, NBC News reports.

    Cabinet level.  And Mitches wife.

    Rather than resign, she should call her (5.00 / 4) (#76)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:02:07 PM EST
    fellow cabinet secretaries and arrange a 25th Amendment vote.

    AXIOS (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:20:49 PM EST
    Republicans consider drastic options to stop Trump

    With 13 days left in President Trump's term, confidants and Republican officials are considering drastic steps to stop him, Jonathan Swan and Margaret Talev report.

    The big picture: These measures include censure, impeachment or invoking the 25th Amendment -- a move, long dismissed as a liberal fantasy, in which Vice President Pence would step in if  Trump were found to be unable to perform his duties.

    This talk is coming from current and former White House and GOP Hill aides, and Republican lobbyists and political consultants -- all of whom have either embraced him or quietly tolerated him until now.
    Senior State Department officials are encouraging 25th Amendment discussions along with other officials at the White House and other departments, according to two sources involved in the discussions.
    The state of play: Republicans are furious with the president for what they see as fomenting an attack on American democracy, disgracing their party and invading the sanctity of their chambers on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

    There's concern about whether the country can withstand another two weeks with Trump at the helm, and what additional chaos and division could be sowed.
    There's also rage inside the GOP at Sens. Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz and others whose plans to object to Biden's certification gave oxygen to Trump, the protests and the notion that Congress could be used to overturn the will of voters.

    Holy hell (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:29:58 PM EST

    Former Joint Chiefs Chair Mike Mullen told the PBS Newshour that President Trump "incited" the failed insurrection and is "not in position to lead the next 14 days."

    Said Mullen: "I don't think we're done. Today was not it. We need to act in a preventive way to prevent more from happening."

    He added that Trump is "desperate, doing anything he can to hold onto power-to the point of what I consider grossly illegal actions today."

    By gently removing the mob (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:31:55 PM EST
    From the Capital and letting them go rather than arresting them, they are now free to pursue additional violence  tomorrow and on days to come. Heaven forbid that the police curtail the violent actions of Trump's personal mob.  

    I just watched (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:14:26 PM EST
    Katie Couric interview Mary Trump. Mary said that if Mitch et al had said from the beginning Trump lost and sidelined him that all of this would have been less likely. The continual pushing of the narrative of widespread election fraud etc. by the likes of people like Loeffler and Perdue emboldened Trump to continue winding up his minions. Some minions may have dropped off if the GOP started telling the truth from the beginning.

    She said that if you think today was bad just wait until tomorrow and the next day. It could be even worse. She said absolutely that he has to be removed from office. These Qanon people are all over the country and it seems they know explosives and maybe it's Phoenix today that will get bombed or Atlanta tomorrow.


    I mentioned this before (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:13:40 PM EST
    I remember reading the fact there are so many "acting" cabinet members could be a problem.  The fact they are not confirmed by the senate complicates how that might work.  Specifically Trump could just fire and replace them.

    Does that make any sense to you?

    I could have dreamed it.


    Section 4 of the 25th Amendment says (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:32:58 PM EST
    "a majority of ... the principal officers of the executive departments ...." Why would an acting secretary, during their service as such, not be seen as the principal officer of the department? There is a strong presumption against interpreting any provision of the Constitution in a way that would make it ineffective to its purpose.

    AXIOS (from the link) (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:35:54 PM EST
    suggests it's about the will to do it

    The 25th Amendment route would require buy-in from Pence and a majority of Trump's Cabinet. But many of those Cabinet members also have been loyalists to the president and serve in acting capacities, so it's not clear that support or will exists.

    Did you hear Lindsay Graham's statement? (none / 0) (#88)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:59:24 PM EST
    A lot of folks who have been loyal sycophants, and have debased themselves in doing so, may finally have had enough.

    I thought it was the worse (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 09:51:17 AM EST
    word salad of the night.  More offensive than Hawley.

    He's had enough?  Now? Now he's had enough.

    It was the closest I came all day to heaving something heavy at my tv.  He is the principal participant who should never be allowed in the lifeboats.  The lifeboat should be burned with him in it.

    And that was after his opening gratuitous dig at Nancy, Chuck and John Roberts.  It was sickening.

    On what happens now, if I was Pence and the others I would offer Trump a deal. Resign right now and I will pardon you.  
    I would support that if it got rid of him.  And do not include his family.  Make it a deal where he saves himself and kicks Ivanka and Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber to the curb. He would totally do it.

    His biggest legal problems are not federal anyway.

    And I'm really sick of the other critters saying how disappointed they are.  How history will not be kind to the seditionists in Congress.  Not enough.  STFU and do something.  Censure would be a start.


    Agree with everything you said except (none / 0) (#101)
    by vml68 on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:03:52 AM EST
    for the bit about pardoning Tr*mp.
    He needs to be rotting in a jail cell asap. I will wish him a loooong life when that happens.

    If they can't or won't use the 25th (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:08:49 AM EST
    We need to be rid of him.  And state jails are way worse than federal ones usually.

    I want him in Rivers Island.


    RIKERS f'ing ISLAND (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:10:04 AM EST
    At least until it falls down.

    I am (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:42:06 AM EST
    wondering if Ms. Tish might just go ahead and release the kraken if it is ready to go. Maybe Vance has some kraken he can release too. That would maybe maybe give those DC cowards the cover to impeach and remove Trump. After all the GOP has already said you don't need to have a trial just a vote.

    Let him rake some forests. (none / 0) (#112)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 11:28:31 AM EST
    As punishment.

    If one more thing happens (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 02:46:35 PM EST
    Lindsey will be upset.  Just one more thing.

    he added that he wasn't supportive of "at this point" of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove the president from office, The Hill reports.

    Said Graham: "If something else happens all options would be on the table."

    If we can (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:16:48 PM EST
    get Warnock and Ossoff in the senate quick enough we've got 50 votes for removal. Then 17 more votes have to be found.

    Just need to sideline (none / 0) (#93)
    by MKS on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:30:18 PM EST
    Trump for 14 days.....Not sure the 25th Amendment route can keep the ball up in the air that long.

    Pence is (none / 0) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:41:56 PM EST
    reported to have approved deployment of DC National Guard,  Did Trump refuse the request?  Curious that Pence, who does not have such authority, would do so.  And, may account for the delayed  response.

    More rats deserting (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:44:52 PM EST
    White House social secretary Rickie Niceta has resigned, effective immediately, CNN reports.

    White House deputy press secretary Sarah Matthews also resigned, Fox News reports.

    A source close to President Trump tells the New York Times that more resignations are expected in the next 24 hours.

    Melania's press secretary (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:55:23 PM EST
    who apparently never talked to the press has resigned.

    Interesting (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:23:15 AM EST
    Infuriating but interesting

    Former Attorney General William Barr says President Trump's conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a "betrayal of his office and supporters," the AP reports.

    Barr said that "orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable."


    "The Republican Party has been put in a state of civil war."

    -- GOP strategist Karl Rove, on Fox News.

    I hope (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 11:04:45 AM EST
    Rove is right about the civil war but he was on Fox News Tuesday night spinning that the turnout in red counties in GA was way up.

    I hope some LEO someplace (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:48:58 AM EST
    will take their head out of their azz long enough to start the countdown until the first state capital is overrun.  This will happen.

    If I worked in a PA government building I would have a sudden long illness that required me to stay home.

    The SOS office (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 11:05:47 AM EST
    and some other government buildings had to evacuate here in GA yesterday.

    NPR (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 11:08:56 AM EST
    Cancel Culture my azz (none / 0) (#116)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 03:01:38 PM EST
    Why aren't web forum owners being held accountable for all the open incitements to violence that are going on and why are none of the right-wing pols, Fox, ONAN, and talk radio morons calling these people out?

    Because of section 230 (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 04:21:25 PM EST
    Section 230 is a piece of Internet legislation in the United States, passed into law as part of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) of 1996 (a common name for Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996), formally codified as Section 230 of the Communications Act of 1934 at 47 U.S.C. § 230.[a] Section 230 generally provides immunity for website publishers from third-party content. At its core, Section 230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by third-party users:

    "A Gentlemen's (none / 0) (#124)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 05:54:19 PM EST
    25th".    Trump to my generals:  I want  tanks to rumble over to the WaPo building.  Generals: Sir, we will be right on that but all our tanks have flat tires.   Trump to Meadows:  Have Biden brought to me in chains.   We are fresh out of chains sir, as Meadows calls for the orderlies to strap him to the gurney.

    No, Trump needs to be impeached and convicted, and not permitted to hold pubic office again.  The real 25th is not, in my view, going to happen.  Pence is angry because Mother, his daughter and brother were in the chamber, and the insurrectionists were, apparently, calling out for him. But, not that mad.


    There was a prosecutor on MSNBC (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 06:28:30 PM EST
    Talking about the different possible charges that could be brought against the rioters.  And those who incited them.

    One of the effects of at least be of the possible charges was prohibition of ever holding public office.

    They were talking about for the new Rep. guy who skipped his swearing in ceremony to attend, and live stream, the riot.  But he said it could work for Trump too.

    The segment is probably not on the web yet but I'm sure it will be.


    They are beginning the arrests (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 06:35:25 PM EST
    Of the rioters.  Also putting them on "no fly" lists.
    But I hope they can somehow do it after 13 days so Trump can not pardon them.

    "President Trump has prepared a sweeping list of individuals he's hoping to pardon in the final days of his administration that includes senior White House officials, family members, prominent rappers -- and possibly himself," Bloomberg reports.

    "Trump is hoping to announce the pardons on Jan. 19 -- his final full day in office -- and his ideas are currently being vetted by senior advisers and the White House counsel's office."

    "The biggest question facing his legal team may be whether the president has the authority to pardon himself."

    CNN (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 06:40:56 PM EST
    PS (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 06:47:17 PM EST
    The guy on the left in the pic at CNN is a rather well known person.  At least on my state.

    "Bigo" is probably looking at several years in a federal prison.


    Blue Lives Matter? (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:44:30 PM EST
    Your neighbor "Bigo" should be praying he cannot be placed in the part of the mob that beat the Capitol Police Officer who died of his injuries today. And thanking whatever god he believes in that Biden does not support the death penalty. Otherwise, the federal charges may be limited to "insurrection" or "interstate travel to promote or engage in a riot." Note that the insurrection statute has an "incitement" clause (att'n: Giuliani, Tr*mp, Tr*mp Jr.).

    The NPR report that a Capitol Police officer (none / 0) (#141)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 08:48:21 PM EST
    died is being disputed. Not sure that was correct.

    Rachel (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 08:52:00 PM EST
    Just said it was reported he died but he has not.  Yet.

    The guy died (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 08:09:00 AM EST
    They are starting the round up of the rioters which they say will likely take a year.  A dead cop takes this to the next level.

    I'm enjoying the thought that every wild eyed rube rampaging through the capitol will live in fear of that scary pre dawn knock on the door for a very long time.

    As far as the "we'er coming back on the 19th to finish the job" I'm sure the FBI hopes they do.   If they do that, which I doubt even they are dumb enough to do, they are going to find a very different reception more along the lines of the stuff they cheered when it was used on BLM people.


    CNN (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 08:20:40 AM EST
    Beaten (none / 0) (#163)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:00:18 PM EST
    to death with a fire extinguisher.

    I think a blanket pardon (none / 0) (#138)
    by MKS on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 08:30:28 PM EST
    that only identifies groups can work.  

    Carter granted amnesty to all those who avoided the Draft during Vietnam.

    This is why Trump has to go now.

    The cabinet officials who are resigning are avoiding responsibility for making a decision under the 25th Amendment.


    25th (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 08:40:05 PM EST
    "Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin held informal conversations within their own agencies about the contours of the 25th Amendment, the invocation of which would begin a process to remove Trump from office," CNBC reports.

    "The arguments against pursuing action were manifold. First, the legal process itself was estimated to take more than a week, negating any immediate effect it would have."

    "Second, it was unclear whether the three secretaries serving in `acting' roles without Senate confirmation would be able to cast a vote. Third, they had concerns that forcing Trump from office could further stoke tensions among his base and make him a hero of the far right, doing more bad in the long-term than good in the short-term."

    Said one former Trump official: "The general plan now is to let the clock run out."


    I also read that if the 25th is used Trump can "object" which would then require a 2/3 vote in Congress.

    Also I kind of think what's happening now is a pretty fitting end to this nightmare.  Trump alone, shunned and cornered.   Flailing and lashing out at everyone.  

    I honestly think the danger, especially after yesterday, of him being able to do something catastrophic is pretty small.  I bet he is on a very short leash.

    Let him sit there for the next 13 days.  Unable even to tweet.  Humiliated and raging at empty rooms.


    Not to say (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 08:44:24 PM EST
    don't impeach him again.  I'm all down with that.  Even if the senate won't remove him they will have to defend him.

    Keep him busy and give him something to occupy what passes for his mind fir the next few days.


    This makes my head (none / 0) (#146)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:19:37 PM EST
    want to crack open. It seems to me that they at least have a valid argument against the 25th with time etc. and also since the 25th has never been used I am guessing Trump would sue and by the time it was all settled Trump would be out of office.

    However this whole we have control and he is going to behave now idea from the GOP for i cant count how many times. So once again the GOP is putting their comfort above the safety and security of Americans. And it makes me angry because somehow they never seem to be able to control him. The only way is maybe they have him permanently OD'ed on Xanax or some other drug.


    Pence, who (none / 0) (#117)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 03:36:03 PM EST
    has served Trump with canine devotion for four years, has decided that he needs to distance himself from the Administration is part.  He announced that he will attend the Biden inauguration.  His silhouette in courage is unlikely to extend to the 25th Amendment.  

    Doomsday preppers (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 04:28:26 PM EST
    Top Trump advisers discuss need to resist dangerous, unlawful orders

    Some top remaining administration officials are preparing to resist any unlawful or dangerous orders in the closing days of Trump's presidency, senior administration officials with direct knowledge of the sensitive conversations tell Axios.

    Why it matters: After Trump incited protesters to storm the Capitol on Wednesday, there's a near universal view among top officials that he is unfit and unhinged, these sources said.

    On another subject

    I liked the new AG this morning.


    Not happening (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 04:47:42 PM EST
    Vice President Mike Pence doesn't support removing President Trump from office via the 25th Amendment despite the growing bipartisan chorus for a last-minute change at the very top of the American government, Business Insider reports.

    Said a Republican close to Pence: "Not happening."

    Of course not. (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:08:24 PM EST
    This does not surprise me. And it wouldn't surprise me that there wasn't 17 votes in the senate to remove Trump either. Just at this point dump the entire GOP in the trash can.

    Ok, then. Impeachment it is. (none / 0) (#129)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:02:41 PM EST
    Nadler should bring an Article or two directly to the floor of the House and force a vote. Then right over to the Senate.

    I hoep that happens (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:10:58 PM EST
    at least for no other reason than to force Republicans to go on the record about sedition and insurrection.

    I totally agree (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:25:03 PM EST
    If for no other reason to make republicans defend him.  He is a giant steaming pile we should rub republicans face in for the next 13 days.

    At least.


    As I said in an earlier comment (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 07:26:21 PM EST
    I still think the most likely path to getting rid of him is a deal with Pence.  Resign now and get a pardon.

    I actually (none / 0) (#147)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:22:08 PM EST
    can't see Pence even giving him a pardon now as it would be a pardon for sedition and treason and I bet Pence thinks he has a future in politics (he doesn't).

    And a pardon (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 07, 2021 at 10:23:03 PM EST
    would be worse for the GOP. They would be issuing a pardon to a traitor to the county. That stench would take them decades to wash off.

    I say (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 09:51:41 AM EST
    He will resign

    I sure hope you are right (none / 0) (#160)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 12:13:07 PM EST
    All of the other methods are too slow and/or require more courage than current people in charge are showing.

    But resigning depends on Trump himself so its probably a no-go as well.


    Here's why (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 12:35:37 PM EST
    Trump was watching tv full time now. It is being widely discussed that not only is it almost unanimously believed that a "self pardon" is illegal and unconstitutional but everyone also agrees that if he did that it would basically guarantee the Feds would indict him, for something - take your pick, because they will never allow such an abuse of power to stand.

    So he may be detached and delusional, demented and dangerously unhinged but if any part of his brain is functioning, an admittedly large if, it will be the self preservation alligator part.

    There are people who are going to tell him a self pardon would be the biggest mistake he has ever made.   Will he listen.  I think ultimately he will.

    Tho I fervently hope he does not.  I really do.  If he self pardons we got his orange azz.


    This assumes Pence (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 12:40:09 PM EST
    would pardon him.  Will he?  Trump threw him and his family to the wolves.  The Trumps never even inquired about the safety of Pence and his family when they were threatened by the mob.    So.......maybe not.

    But IF Pence will do it, I think he would, Trump will resign so he can.  And this could be at 11:45 on the 20th.  For a 15 minute Pence presidency.


    It Also Assumes... (none / 0) (#171)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 02:13:35 PM EST
     ...Trump is not watching unhinged right wing news, guarantee News Max isn't discussing Trump resigning or impeachment other than to laugh at the silly liberals.

    They are pushing that this wasn't Trump supporters and that Trump isn't responsible for other people's behaviors.  The idea that right wing media would take any responsibility or start reporting facts is beyond silly.

    No way Trump resigns, no way democrats get the 2/3rds Senate.  No way Pence does anything to remove Trump.  It's all political theater.  I'm still curious as to why we would want to stop Trump from dividing the party even further ?  This is a time to watch the fires burn.

    No general in their right mind is going to let Trump 'go big' before the 20th.  So we just wait to see what the lunatic does and hope that no more people die.

    I would be really interesting if the Senate votes down impeachment conviction, then like the next day Trump pulls some real cr@p like pardoning cops killers & insurrectionists.


    I never suggested (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 02:59:59 PM EST
    There would be 2/3 in the senate.  I never said Pence would do anything to remove him.  

    I do think there might be an issue with pardoning cop killers and insurrectionists.  We are in uncharted places.

    I don't think he is as crazy as he acts, hence possible resignation.  As I said I hope he self pardons.


    Also (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:13:37 PM EST
    We know Trump does NOT only watch NEWSMAX and OANN.

    There are millions of tweets responding to CNN and MSNBC and especially FOX NEWS. Who's coverage of this has been surprisingly legitimate.


    I don't think (none / 0) (#206)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 06:19:07 PM EST
    him pushing a nuclear button is any more or less dangerous whether we have impeachment or not. We have heard all of this about his "handlers" for years now and yet he continues to get around them all the time. So unless they can tell us they have him locked in a padded cell at Camp David full of Xanax I don't wanna take the chance.

    One of the news services is reporting how upset Republicans are at Trump's treatment of Pence. Just my 2 cents but I think that they are going to use that to impeach him and eject him from office.


    Yes, impeachment (none / 0) (#200)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:09:30 PM EST
    talk by Democratic House members appears to be, as a first pass, pressure on Trump to resign rather than be impeached again, and maybe, convicted.  Sort of the Nixon treatment---prepare articles of impeachment and wave them around.  And, as Trump might say, we'll see what happens.

    And, Nixon was reminded that if impeached and removed he loses post-presidential perks, such as secret service protection, resignation became more attractive.  Paying for his own security may tip the grifter-in-chief.

    As a second pass, impeachment with a trial in the senate hanging permits quick removal action in an emergency(an emergency even greater than what exists now)


    Lying for Trump (none / 0) (#156)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 10:04:16 AM EST
    Can be very costly.

    Trump lawyer Sidney Powell slapped with $1.3 billion defamation suit over voting lies

    According to a report from the Washington Post, pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell has been hit with a $1.3 billion lawsuit for lying about Dominion Voting Systems.

    That's just stupid (none / 0) (#157)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 11:22:07 AM EST
    There is no way that her lies about Dominion were believed by enough people who actually do business with the company -- or required the company to mount a response -- to actually cause Dominion to suffer that kind of financial loss. Not even if you include reasonable punitive damages.

    Her lies have not been (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:11:03 PM EST
    without consequences. Also, they were required to mount a response including having to testify for hours before Michigan House Oversite Committee looking into claims of election fraud.

    Head of Dominion Voting Systems testifies before Michigan legislators

    Dominion Voting Systems tells Michigan Senate committee it can testify next week

    The letter came one day after House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, announced his chamber would vote next week to give the House Oversight Committee broad subpoena power. Committee Chairman Matt Hall, R-Emmett Township, told the Free Press on Wednesday he needed that power in part to compel Dominion to testify if the company would not appear freely.


    Sidney Powell's wild and reckless allegations are not only demonstrably  false, they have led to stalking, harassment, and death threats to Dominion employees. This criminal activity has been duly reported to the appropriate law enforcement agencies, and we intend to hold Ms. Powell, and those aiding and abetting her fraudulent actions, accountable for any harm that may occur as a result.

    I didn't say they shouldn't sue her (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:13:40 PM EST
    I said the ad damnum (amount claimed as damages) could never be proven at nearly that level.

    A lot of people may not believe Sidney Powell (none / 0) (#165)
    by vml68 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:13:40 PM EST
    but how may are willing to believe those same lies when they are repeated by Tr*mp.

    Her lies had consequences (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:38:59 PM EST
    and I for one have no problem with her being sued for her lies. Her lies helped stoke the actions of the mob violence we witnessed Wednesday. Here is just one of horrible consequences:

    Georgia woman trampled to death in Capitol riot was obsessed with pro-Trump conspiracies

    No matter how mislead and misguided this woman was, that had to be a horrible way to die.

    I would prefer the Bar Association would take action against the lawyers who promoted these conspiracy theories. But if they will not or can not, I'm all for them being sued by Dominion or anyone else who has been harmed in anyway.


    The Crack Hen has now slammed her trap (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:46:12 PM EST
    shut about Dominion and has pivoted to blaming Antifa for everything that happened at the Capital..

    I'm sure that the Proud Boys, (none / 0) (#172)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 02:48:03 PM EST
    Nazis, Q and all the other right wing militia groups will be reluctant to relinquish the glory of their achievement at least until they are being tried for their multiple crimes.

    Of course, many of Trump's rabid supporters who did not proudly participate, could be more than will to believe this rot.


    In case I wasn't clear, I am all for Powell, (none / 0) (#169)
    by vml68 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:54:12 PM EST
    Tr*mp, Giuliani, et al., being sued by Dominion.

    Understood (none / 0) (#173)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 02:49:37 PM EST
    Hopefully, that will be the least of their worries very, very soon.

    They've got blood on their hands (none / 0) (#176)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:09:00 PM EST
    as far as I'm concerned, and it'll be a miracle if it doesn't get worse.

    The Q-brains and militia types etc online are still railing about "1776!" and how their trigger fingers are itchy. You just know one or a group of these people are going to try to pull something at some point.


    Of course they will. (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:16:19 PM EST
    But in 12 days there is going to be an actual functioning justice department that is NOT on their side.  I'm sure that will come as a very rude awakening for many of them.

    I'm far less worried about what these nutters are going to do now.  Still concerned.


    They should have (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:01:05 PM EST
    Sued her for a zillion dollars.

    I Think Dominion Contracts for Voting Machines... (none / 0) (#184)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:58:49 PM EST
     ...could easily get cancelled just so no no one has to deal with it.  I have no idea what the value or all future government contracts are, but I am guessing they believe a little over a billion.

    the "Football" (none / 0) (#158)
    by leap on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 11:32:23 AM EST
    According to WaPo, "Pelosi says she spoke to chairman of Joint Chiefs about keeping nuclear codes from Trump"
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told her House colleagues Friday that she had spoken to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, about keeping an "unstable president" from accessing the nuclear codes.
    "The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy," Pelosi wrote in a letter, in which she also renewed the threat of impeaching Trump if Pence does not initiate proceedings for the Cabinet to remove him under the 25th Amendment....

    After watching yesterdays hostage video (none / 0) (#168)
    by vml68 on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 01:49:56 PM EST
    and then reading articles and comments saying that Tr*mp would be kept in check by his aides/advisers till the 20th, I made a bet that it would not last even one day. Discipline of any sort, on his part, self or otherwise has not been in evidence all these years.
    Reddit and other sites that these domestic terrorists frequent had plenty of comments stating their shock that Tr*mp had turned his back on them after calling them to DC to protest and go "wild" on his behalf. Lots of "Fu*k Tr*mp" from his supporters on those sites. Can't have that...

    He denounced his "patriots" in the hostage video only to tweet this hours later. Couldn't address only them without major backlash, so it is to all 75 mil who voted for him.

    The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!

    Second thoughts (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 03:55:15 PM EST
    "Donald Trump's most loyal supporters feel angry and betrayed over the Thursday video in which the president tried to distance himself from a pro-Trump riot in Congress, despite the president's advisers assuring him he had not alienated too many of his fans," the Daily Beast reports.

    "Shortly after his White House video--in which a scripted President Trump acknowledged that a transition to a `new' administration was underway, but stopped short of even admitting that he indeed lost fairly to his 2020 Democratic opponent--posted online, Trump started having second thoughts. Throughout the evening, the outgoing, increasingly authoritarian leader of the free world quizzed close advisers and White House officials about if he did the right thing, and if the reception from the public, the media, and his supporters was `good.' ... He asked if his supporters felt let down.

    Everyone who laughed (none / 0) (#201)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:10:56 PM EST
    and accused Bill Maher of Trump Derangement Syndrome own him and apology and a nice gift of weed in the from of his choice.

    He has been predicting this for years and he would not shut up about it.  Long before anyone else.

    Yes, I (none / 0) (#203)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 05:28:55 PM EST
    have been thinking about him.  A little different tactic-- not use of military for the coup.  Rather, withholding military and all security, for his putsch.  But, really, close enough. He gets a brownie.

    Felony Murder (none / 0) (#207)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 06:54:21 PM EST
    How far would the liability for felony murder extend to participants in the insurrection that resulted in the murder of the Capitol Policeman?