Reuters Poll: Trump Lags, Coronavirus is Biggest Voter Concern

Reuters has new national poll results. It's findings: Trump got no convention bounce. He's 7 points behind Biden. His efforts to deflect (from his performance with the coronavirus) and redirect (attention to crime and BLM) have not worked.

Trailing Biden in most national opinion polls since the outbreak of the novel coronavirus this year, Trump has sought to change the subject from a pandemic that has killed more than 180,000 Americans, blaming Black Lives Matters protesters for violence in the cities and accusing Biden of being weak on crime.

The poll numbers show: [More...]

.... the majority — 78% — remain “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the coronavirus. Nearly 60% said Trump is at least partly responsible for the protracted school and business closures due to the virus, as well as for the high number of coronavirus cases in the United States. More than 6 million Americans have been infected with the virus, more people than in any other country.

As for crime, neither Democrats (62%) nor Republicans (65%) thought crime was rising in their communities.

Only about 8% of American adults listed crime as a top priority for the country, compared with 30% who said it was the economy or jobs, and 16% who said it was the healthcare system.

As for protesters and BLM:

53% of American adults said they remain sympathetic to people out protesting against racial inequality, nearly unchanged from 52% in a similar poll that ran in late July.

... more than half of suburban Americans and more than half of undecided registered voters are still sympathetic to them.

This poll did show one other thing: The convention produced no bounce for Biden either. His lead over Trump is just about the same as it was three weeks ago.

Trump, like Nixon, is a trickster. No one should be complacent. While on the one hand, whatever he pulls as a surprise in October may increase turnout among his supporters, he's unlikely to convert new people at this point.

Everyone knows he lies and has the character of a swamp rat. It's just a question of how many of his supporters think that his lies favor them economically or their values (immigration, race, etc). If the lies align with a supporter's values, it's more likely that person will come out to vote for Trump.

I'm not seeing a groundswell of support yet for Biden from young progressives. Maybe Markey's win in Mass. yesterday is a sign it's not coming. You can disagree but this isn't the time for complacency unless you live in a state where Democratic support is and always has been so high there is no conceivable way Trump can take the state's electoral college votes.

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    Beware of bad takes (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by CST on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 09:29:59 AM EST
    On the Markey - Kennedy race.

    There's the twitter framing and then there's what actually happened on the ground.

    Bottom line, even if you are a Kennedy you have to have some kind of a pitch to voters.  Kennedy could never figure it out.  But Markey was also clearly supported by the same people who support the Republican governor Charlie Baker.  You can't win the state without Dem voters who like Charlie Baker.  That's not just young progressives.

    Markey won the wealthy suburbs by a lot and cleaned up in Boston and the Berkshires. Kennedy won working class "Gateway" cities by a little. It wasn't enough. This is a decent breakdown. Link

    Markey (none / 0) (#9)
    by Coral on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM EST
    was supported by ultra-progressives I know in Western MA. I like Kennedy, but Markey had a lot of support because of Green New Deal and his environmental record. Wish Kennedy would run for gov vs. Baker.

    For sure (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 11:47:54 AM EST
    He cleaned up in Western MA.  I didn't mean to imply he didn't have the left wing vote, just that the left wing vote alone is insufficient to win a statewide race, even in MA.

    It was when (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 06:13:06 PM EST
    AOC campaigned with him and for him that he gathered the steam to win. She brought him the Bernie supporters. She will not do that for Biden. He does not have their vote.

    It certainly helped (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by CST on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 07:29:15 PM EST
    But Bernie could never win statewide in MA either, not in 2016 and not in 2020.

    I'm just saying there was a lot more at play than just the left, not that they weren't a factor.  Markey also got endorsed by the Chuck Schumer and the Boston Globe.  They are not the left.  He needed both groups of support or he would've been toast, like what happened with Morse and in Kennedy's former district on the same night.

    Also, AOC has endorsed Biden already.


    MA (none / 0) (#56)
    by Coral on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 10:16:02 AM EST
    has a lot of swing voters, lots of moderate Dems. Often votes GOP for governor to balance consistently Dem legislature. Don't forget Scott Brown.

    This is why I don't support Biden, if elected, appointing Warren to his administration. We need her in Senate. Took a lot of effort for her to build support throughout the state.


    I actually think (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 11:13:31 AM EST
    Ayanna Pressley could pull it off.  She is capable of building the same kind of coalition as Warren or Markey.  But I hear you.

    Kennedy apparently (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 11:21:42 AM EST
    Thought so too.  Probably why he jumped the shark.

    Speaking of jumping the shark (none / 0) (#68)
    by CST on Mon Sep 07, 2020 at 01:27:08 PM EST
    The mayor of Boston just announced his primary competitor's campaign.  She gave him a courtesy call and he literally called the Boston Globe to rat her out so she couldn't announce her own campaign.

    Michelle Wu would be the first woman, first POC, and in my lifetime the only non-Catholic to get the job.  She is a very popular city councilor and actually has a real shot, people have been anticipating her run for some time.

    I hope she crushes him.


    What an (none / 0) (#69)
    by Zorba on Tue Sep 08, 2020 at 11:08:25 AM EST
    Immature thing for him to do.  What is he, a middle schooler?
    I really hope Wu beats him.  

    Biden did well in Wisconsin today (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by Towanda on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 09:30:17 PM EST
    including a backyard get-together with teachers in the city where my brother is mayor, down the street from my childhood home. Weird to see homes on videos and remember who lived in each one. And my nephew who works for Lt. Gov.  Mandela Barnes Got to meet Biden -- and is over the moon, after the disappointment of the convention not held in Milwaukee.

    The networks skipped a lot of Biden stops in Wisconsin, in case you watched and wondered "is that all there is"?

    I thought so too (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 08:21:26 AM EST
    Watching him I think they are very intentionally making him look and sound and act the polar opposite of Trump.  

    Seems I remember Biden being a bit more high energy when campaigning.  And I don't think the change has anything to do with his age or vitality.  

    He projects calm.  He speaks quietly and slowly.  I think they think, and I think they are on to something, that calm and confident is what people are craving.

    People are exhausted.  Watching Biden is almost soothing.  I thought this was particularly on display yesterday.


    On a different subject this Jeffery Goldberg piece in the Atlantic is landing with a thud.  It is shocking.  I've never been a fan of the military and I think it's unimaginably horrible.  They are saying the details have now been confirmed by the AP and WaPo.  There was a poll last week that showed Trump is losing with active duty military.  This will not help him with that.


    Exhausted (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 09:48:47 AM EST
    is almost an understatement these days. The endless screaming, gas lighting etc. has people on the edge.

    Attacking a Gold Star family and John McCain in 2016 apparently wasn't enough apparently for those voters. I still don't think it will change any numbers just from what I am anecdotally seeing from veteran friends.


    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 10:03:07 AM EST
    USA Today: "In a heretofore unpublicized memo, the Pentagon delivered an order to shutter the Stars and Stripes, a newspaper that has been a lifeline and a voice for American troops since the Civil War."

    "The memo orders the publisher of the news organization (which now publishes online as well as in print) to present a plan that `dissolves the Stars and Stripes by Sept. 15 including `specific timeline for vacating government owned/leased space worldwide.'"

    This sickens me. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 01:15:57 PM EST
    My late ex's service and n Vietnam included  reporting  for Stars and Stripes, when stationed in DaNang -- which eventually killed him, owing to exposure o Agent Orange warehoused there, making it one of the ten most toxic sites in the world --=but often going to the front lines, too, to report the reality that the troops witnessed.

    Its importance to the troops is immeasurable, as I learned in talking with vets at their gatherings, and as it has been since the Civil War.


    This will not happen now (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 03:02:21 PM EST
    Apparently because of the backlash.  Peter Baker just said that on MSNBC

    Like VOA (the government radio station) (none / 0) (#27)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 11:01:55 AM EST
    which is also under attack, Stars and Stripes, although quasi-official, has a long and proud tradition of adhering to independent journalistic standards.

    I don't think in this Atlantic thing (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 11:12:37 AM EST
    is going away.

    One thing being anticipated is Trumps hectoring about "anonymous sources" will lead one or more of the 4 sources, which is widely expected to include Mattie and Kelly among others, to go public.

    It would really only take one.  

    It's Time for Trump's Generals to Go on the Record
    Anonymously sourced horror stories just won't cut it.


    Wow (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 11:36:39 AM EST

    My dead son is not a loser.


    Response to that poll (none / 0) (#33)
    by smott on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 12:23:19 PM EST
    Showing military supporting Biden I guess?

    This ending (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 02:16:37 PM EST
    Stars & Stripes now that is something that the military retirees that I know would be hopping mad about. It is a lifeline for any service personnel especially those stationed overseas.

    I read the Stars and Stripes (none / 0) (#51)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 11:03:23 PM EST
    everyday when I lived in Yokosuka, Japan. It was our main source of news back then. We had no English language TV but did have Armed Forces Radio. It was a great newspaper.

    Biden is raising his voice (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 11:48:10 AM EST
    Haven't seen that lately.  He's discussing his dead veteran son being a loser and a sucker.

    Seems sincere and I'm sure it is.


    I'm just gonna say it (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 12:15:02 PM EST
    Biden was impressive today.  

    I think the best I've ever seen him.  His responses to things like Q and other completely crazy shi+ in the news were just about perfect.

    I'm impressed


    Ha (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 12:17:19 PM EST
    ASked about Trumps advise to vote twice he crossed himself

    Military story will affect (none / 0) (#57)
    by Coral on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 10:19:03 AM EST
    many Trump voters with military family members...especially those who have been undecided or regret their 2016 vote.

    There is a flood of new (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 08:04:18 AM EST
    Betting markets (none / 0) (#2)
    by smott on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 08:27:54 AM EST
    Have it basically a coin flip

    The odds can (none / 0) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 11:04:02 AM EST
    tighten as money comes in on one side.  Do you think foreign, especially, Russian money may be involved?

    Great article in NYMag (none / 0) (#3)
    by smott on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 08:31:36 AM EST
    Re how polls show voters prefer whiteness to Democracy, worth a read. By Eric Levitz.

    This election is going to come down (none / 0) (#4)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 08:53:28 AM EST
    to whether or not all the votes are counted. If they are not, Biden (and all of America) loses.

    The Red Mirage (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 09:07:42 AM EST
    There is this idea gaining support that election night it's possible Trump will win.  Possibly but a lot.  And lose a week later.

    That week, if this happens - not entirely convinced it will, could be the most dangerous week for this republic since the civil war.

    Trump will try to stop the counting.  I don't think he can do that either but he will try and he will certainly complicate the process.

    That's the bad news.  The good news is an army of activists and lawyers are preparing for it.

    Trump Floats `Rigged Election' As Democrats' Concerns About Election Day `Red Mirage' Grow


    This is why (none / 0) (#7)
    by smott on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 10:09:22 AM EST
    Florida is the ball game.
    They vote early and count early and can call it by 10-11 pm on Election Night. Biden is currently blitzing all major markets w ads.
    If he takes FL it makes Trump's path nearly impossible and really cuts the legs out of a lot of possible chaos due screams of Fraud.

    True (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 10:18:23 AM EST
    But if that happens I can see Trump freaking out even more and trying even harder in other places.

    Yep (none / 0) (#13)
    by smott on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 12:32:01 PM EST
    He will.
    It's gon' be UGLY.
    But without Florida it'll be very difficult.

    Anxiously awaiting my Florida ballot. (none / 0) (#16)
    by fishcamp on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 03:17:17 PM EST
    I can also drop it off at my precinct on Nov 3rd if strange Trump shenanigans are mucking up the works.

    FL so corrupt (none / 0) (#58)
    by Coral on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 10:21:22 AM EST
    I don't believe that FL will count fairly--unless Biden vote is absolutely overwhelming across the state.

    Many FL relatives, all progressives, but their friends--NOT.


    Trump told North Carolina (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 11:48:34 AM EST
    supporters to vote twice, once my mail, and then in-person.  Such an action by a voter would be a felony in North Carolina. And, inducing someone to vote twice, e.g., Trump, would also be a felony, according to Karen Bell, Executive Director of the N.C. State Board of Elections.

    Attorney General Barr, in a CNN interview by Wolf Blitzer, gave a disgraceful performance, including not knowing if voting twice was unlawful.  He would need to look into it.

    While a premature claim of victory on election night would have no legal effect, it would have a "dirty tricks" effect by convincing Republicans that he won and subsequent changes were by fraud.

    As Michelle Obama advised, vote by mail early or in-person if you can.  And, in my view, use drop boxes, not the blue boxes, if you can find one. Cheating is all Trump has going for him.


    Barr (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by smott on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 12:24:10 PM EST
    Is the most dangerous man in America right now.

    And, sadly, competent, smart, tactical, stragegic (none / 0) (#59)
    by Coral on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 10:21:59 AM EST
    Apparently, in Pennsylvania, you cannot (2.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 06:03:35 PM EST
    vote twice. Who knew? Coincidentally, I got a form letter today from Voter Services in my county saying my recent application for a mail-in ballot had been rejected, on the ground that I was already enrolled for automatic provision of a mail-in ballot, based on a form I filed at the time of the primary. Outrageous! How am I supposed to remember what I did or said over four months ago? Should I complain to the White House? Turn myself in to Bill Barr?

    Yikes I think (none / 0) (#19)
    by smott on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 06:27:10 PM EST
    I've done the same thing.
    What does that mean exactly? Assume we still get a mail in ballot?

    Honestly, I think it means nothing. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 08:54:46 PM EST
    You will get a mail-in ballot from your initial request (as I will), and then you can cast that ballot. We actually did not do anything wrong, not really. No attempt to vote twice. Just making sure we got a ballot, so we can vote once.

    It seems as if (none / 0) (#14)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 02:22:04 PM EST
    Billy Barr needs to go back to law school.
    Constitutional Law Professor at Harvard, Laurence Tribe, says that it is, indeed, illegal to vote twice.

    Barr is using (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 02:39:49 PM EST
    ignorance as a cover for corrupt intent, probably.

    "Probably"? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 03, 2020 at 09:24:37 PM EST
    Very likely.

    Trump told reporters yesterday (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 03:02:42 PM EST
    that he "called home" to Melania at the time and told her how upset he was for not being able to visit the cemetery. Inclement weather.

    "I called home, I spoke to my wife and I said I hate this.  I came here to go to that ceremony...I said I feel terribly."

    However. Melania was on the same trip and scheduled to accompany Trump to the cemetery.  She was not "home" in the US.  The readout from Mel's office at the time said "due to inclement weather, the First Lady and President were unable to visit Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial in Belleau, France.

    Trump and Mel went to dinner that night with the Macron's and Kelly went in his stead as he spent that Saturday afternoon holed up watching TV in the US Ambassador's residence.

    Trump's real reason for not going was probably the one about the rain wrecking his hair, but thought skipping the cemetery because it was just filled with losers was a much better excuse.

    FOX news (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 03:44:06 PM EST
    Has joined various other orgs confirming the Atlantic story.



    He could gas and machine gun (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 03:51:31 PM EST
    doughboys at Ardennes and they'd still vote for him.

    In other words (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 04:00:28 PM EST
    I think this is bad.  It's already bad because when you are denying, they ARE denying - something they rarely do, that you said this awful stuff you are losing.

    And they know it's going to stick because it's totally in character.  So it's bad already.

    If one or more of these four sources which pretty much everyone more or less already know the identity of go public it will be way worse.

    It would bury him.  IMO


    Gotta say (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 07:39:14 PM EST
    I agree with you on this. It has the Trumpers absolutely shook on social media. They are running around saying John Bolton said Trump didn't say it. I checked. John Bolton said he didn't hear it. Not the same thing. I didn't even bother to research but Bolton may not have even been there with Trump. The fact that they are twisting themselves into pretzels once again trying to explain away this makes my heart sing. Even birther woman came out and made a statement.

    Bolton actually said (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 07:51:28 PM EST
    He did not hear him say it.  But that he did not doubt that he said it.  Or something like that.

    No, not the same thing.


    Here (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 07:53:41 PM EST
    So Compared to the Access Hollywood Tape (none / 0) (#60)
    by RickyJim on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 11:05:27 AM EST
    this will have a bigger effect?  I doubt it.

    Do you think a significantly larger number (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 07:57:55 PM EST
    of Tr*mp's supporters believe that soldiers and veterans are entitled to respect and dignity than they do women? I do.

    Politico (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 08:46:56 PM EST
    "It's a difficult situation for Trump, who from the beginning of his presidency has surrounded himself with military trappings and boasted about `rebuilding' the armed services. Experts and former top military officials say the quotes from the article are dangerous not just for losing actual voters tied to the military -- but potentially turning off a narrow slice of undecided voters who may not love either 2020 candidate but still revere troops and veterans."

    FOX (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 11:57:51 AM EST
    Fox News host Howard Kurtz on Sunday came to the defense of network correspondent Jennifer Griffin after President Donald Trump called for her to be fired because she confirmed details of a report claiming that he disparaged military veterans.

    "President Trump has called for Jennifer Griffin to be fired," Kurtz explained. "This is one of the fairest, most conscientious reporters on the planet, a former war correspondent, has done this throughout administrations. And she wasn't offering opinion. She was doing her job."

    More FOX (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 12:16:12 PM EST

    Fox News host Bret Baier on Sunday questioned Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin about President Donald Trump's call to fire one of the network's reporters, Jennifer Griffin, because she confirmed that the president had disparaged military veterans.

    "The president also says he's against the cancel culture," Baier pressed. "But do you think it's right for him to call for the firing of a reporter who has unnamed sources who confirm parts of that story?"

    "Bret, I really don't know anything about that," Mnuchin replied. "So, it's just not something I can comment on."

    "OK, well, he's tweeted about it," Baier explained. "And he says he wants a reporter who happens to work here at Fox fired."

    I am really (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 06, 2020 at 12:52:31 PM EST
    sick of conservatives whining about cancel culture when they are the ones that invented it.

    Some (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 03:56:11 PM EST

    Some won't get him elected


    Trump is live now (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 04:55:41 PM EST
    He is just babbling absolute nonsense.   It's really very surreal

    He said he thought all the people in India would vote for Trump.


    He just described (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 05:00:26 PM EST
    The sources for Atlantic as "disgruntled former employees".

    Specifically going after Kelly.  Kelly might be about to pop


    First Sessions now Kelly (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CST on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 05:11:08 PM EST
    Definition of "politics makes strange bedfellows".  They may be racist misogynist scum, but at least they like the military and aren't Putin stooges?

    So true (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 07:40:05 PM EST
    Hopefully soon the fact that we are relying on racist misogynistic scum to get us out of this mess will end soon.

    I don't think I expected Kelly (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2020 at 05:26:09 PM EST
    To be the one who went public.  The story in the article about him, which he has not denied, involving a comment over his sons grave is maybe the creepiest quote.

    It honestly seems like something that might be hard for a father to even discuss in public.  

    But I think that story, and the fact he has not denied it, is why Trump singled him out.


    Well, supposedly (none / 0) (#52)
    by smott on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 07:02:04 AM EST
    There are 4 sources. So my money is on Kelly, McMasters, Mattis, and....dunno.

    But holy schnikes Trump absolutely lost his sh*t on Kelly in that presser.

    Kelly has to respond, doesn't he?


    I don't think he he actually does (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 07:45:32 AM EST
    By refusing to deny the story specifically about him he is pretty much responding without responding.  By letting it stand.  

    But he could certainly respond more.


    Few defenders (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 07:51:08 AM EST
    Few Military Officers Willing to Defend Trump

    September 5, 2020 at 7:25 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 58 Comments

    New York Times: "The president privately raged about The Atlantic's article on Friday morning, and advisers were panicked about how to counter it. They feared it was the beginning of a constant drip of negative stories from disenchanted former officials that could sway voters. While Mr. Trump demanded that allies knock down the article, aides recognized that few senior military officers were willing to openly defend the president."

    I think the military has has just about enough of Commander Trump.


    More (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 05, 2020 at 07:53:09 AM EST
    An amusing sentence from the New York Times: "Mr. Kelly refused on-the-record interview requests about his recollection of comments Mr. Trump had reportedly made when Mr. Kelly was with him on a 2018 trip to France."

    That makes it seem Kelly has been more than willing to talk "off the-record."