Saturday Night Open Thread

49 years ago today, I moved to Colorado.

I couldn't have made a better choice. On days when I see sunsets like the one above, the old tagline from the Denver Post always comes to mind: "'Tis a privilege to live in Colorado".

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    The study of Maringe, et. al, (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 01:42:27 PM EST
    published in Lancet, is an important contribution to the literature that illustrates the impact of changes in cancer diagnostic pathways and subsequent delays in diagnosis.

    It is logical that delays in diagnosis and treatments, especially for patients with cancer symptoms, will likely increase mortality rates as measured in the medium (1 year) and longer-term (5 years).

    However, the study, based on the UK NHS procedure of two-week wait referrals, presents an urgent need for policy interventions to mitigate the predicted additional cancer deaths from delays owing to the pandemic. The authors do note the limitations of their research, such as assumptions that blanket re-allocations across the UK, but the findings point to changes that should be considered on a policy-basis.

    However, these interventions do not suggest the need to abandon public health measures to control the pandemic, but rather, to balance risks, to provide public health information, and to increase routine diagnostic capacity.

    Indeed, it may be argued that pandemic public health measures are a component of intervention. These established public health measures are necessary to the quick restoration and re-direction of limited health resources (the only steps available in the absence of pharmacological treatments or an effective vaccine) to diagnosis and treatment of cancers (as well as other sickness).

    Health care diagnostic and treatment priorities are likely to put emergency room patients gasping for breath ahead of cancer survival rates in 2025. And, symptomatic and immuno-compromised cancer patients have short term risk in accessing health care in the midst of an infectious epidemic. Of course, the oncologists and associated health professionals can also be put at added risk until the pandemic is under control, potentially reducing the availability of these medical resources.  

    Note: This freestanding commnent was intended (none / 0) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 05:09:12 PM EST
    as a reply to Abdul's comment below citing a study in Lancet entitled: "Lives Lost to Lockdown."

    Note also. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 09:57:26 PM EST
    Note  also that the article only dealt with lives lost due to lockdown prohibited cancer screenings. Lockdown prohibitions also prevent detection and treatment of a host of other life threatening maladies.

    Here is one from Canada (none / 0) (#36)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 07:35:53 AM EST
    The public health measures (none / 0) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 05:19:28 PM EST
    are necessary to prevent hospital capabilities from being overwhelmed.  The urgency of serious Covid-19 infection cases as well as providing for other emergencies such as car crashes, strokes and heart attacks have necessitated restrictions on elective surgeries. There is also the risk of Covid-19 infections in otherwise sick patients suggesting holding off of hospital stays wherever possible.

    It may be that the seriousness of the Canadian case was underestimated and should have been excepted under the hospital's emergency protocols, but the article does not provide sufficient information.

    However, this underscores the importance of health care access for all. The inability of the uninsured, or the costs of deductibles/co-pays, may often be a barrier to seeking timely care in our country.

     And, matters will get much worse if Trump is successful in having ACA jettisoned by the Court.  Without coverage for pre-existing conditions, as is required by ACA, there will be a crisis in health care. And, insurance companies are now looking to consider having Covid-19 infection as a pre-existing condition, owing to the potential for late-presenting consequences or sequelae that may occur even in asymptomatic or mild  Covid-19 cases.


    More deaths caused by lockdowns. (none / 0) (#79)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 07:26:32 AM EST
    Heart attack treated in ER's drop as people die at home instead. Data from Colorado.

    Lockdown proponents who say denial of medical services won't cost human lives are anti-science.


    More strawmen (none / 0) (#100)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 09:32:17 AM EST
    Lockdown proponents who say denial of medical services won't cost human lives are anti-science.

    Probably because no one is actually making such a stupid claim.  You guys and your strawmen are laughable.


    But it's such a good story (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 03:34:07 PM EST

    The `Lost Colony' of Roanoke Was Never Lost

    August 17, 2020 at 3:31 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 71 Comments

    "The English colonists who settled the so-called Lost Colony before disappearing from history simply went to live with their native friends -- the Croatoans of Hatteras, according to a new book," the Virginian-Pilot reports.

    Said author Scott Dawson, who researched records and dug up artifacts where the colonists lived with the Indians in the 16th century: "They were never lost. It was made up. The mystery is over."

    "Teams have found thousands of artifacts 4-6 feet below the surface that show a mix of English and Indian life. Parts of swords and guns are in the same layer of soil as Indian pottery and arrowheads."


    I think they went through one of them portals... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by desertswine on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 04:32:07 PM EST
    They're everywhere. People go through them portals and they disappear.  I know this from Friday History Channel TV.

    UK police apprehended their jaywalker (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 08:11:44 PM EST
    MSNBC (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 03:49:45 PM EST
    Has moved Chuck Terd to 1pm and given Nicole Wallace his hour in addition to hers.  So she now has two hours a day.

    No news about news has made me happier in a long time.

    Speaking of helpful republicans

    Wallace is a definite (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 09:20:16 PM EST
    improvement on Todd. Her show is the only daily cable news program that I record.

    Ditto (none / 0) (#72)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 12:34:33 PM EST
    and that allows us to fast-forward through her segments with Charlie Sykes, whose role in my hometown in turning Wisconsin to Walker and Trump -- and personal scandals -- ought to bar him from being on air anywhere.

    Pickles! (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Zorba on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 12:11:04 PM EST
    Spent the last few weeks making pickles and more pickles.
    Dilled green beans, cucumber dills, dilled okra, pickled peppers, sweet cucumber pickles.
    We are well set for pickles.

    Sounds (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 05:08:34 PM EST
    so soothing. Sounds like something that is a great thing to take your mind off of current events. Sometimes I just want to go down to that place too. My thing recently has been watching cooking shows on You Tube.

    We're all in a pickle (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 07:53:39 PM EST
    but you're the only one who seems to be glad to be there. ;)  So sorry we won't get up the mountain to visit you this summer.

    I have just discovered "Grillo's" (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by vml68 on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 09:06:01 PM EST
    brand pickles.
    Can't stop eating them. Don't know if they are as good as what you make but they are pretty darn good.

    I might have to (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 02:56:07 PM EST
    Try them sometime.  But only after we have eaten most of our pickles, which will take awhile.

    every summer I make spicy sweet pickle relish (none / 0) (#121)
    by leap on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 04:06:06 PM EST
    with stuffs from my garden: pickling cukes, red and green bell peppers, jalapeños, red cayenne peppers, poblanos. Add in chopped onions and lots of garlic; tumeric, celery seeds, mustard seed, and especially heavy on coriander seeds (I love coriander). And half apple cider vinegar/half distilled white vinegar. Oh man, is that tasty on everything. It's interesting, though, how many of my friends just don't care for or about relish. I can't even give them jars of it. Weird. It's is nothing like the flavorless store-bought mush. But my extended family really tucks into it. One of my nieces sits down and eats it right out of the jar with a spoon.

    I'm about to make this season's third batch. Waiting for the peppers to turn red again.


    Sounds great (none / 0) (#122)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 04:39:59 PM EST
    To me, leap.
    We also make our own salsa, which we can't get enough of!

    Breaking (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by FlJoe on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 08:54:05 AM EST
     Steve Bannon arrested for fraud. CNN reporting its related to a "build the wall" scheme.

    Love this (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 10:05:35 AM EST
    Maybe in January NY will arrest the head of this criminal organization. That is one of my fondest hopes.

    This would be bad enough (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 09:36:23 AM EST
    In normal times.  But right now when so many people do not even have the money to NOT buy a meal with so they can send it to her doomed political campaign?

     this is epic.

    McSally Asks Backers to Fast So They Can Donate

    August 22, 2020 at 7:34 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 150 Comments

    Sen. Martha McSally (R-AZ) presented an unusual fundraising pitch in audio obtained by KPHO: She suggested supporters to "fast" for a meal -- then give her the money that they save as a campaign donation

    Said McSally: "We're doing our best to catch up, you know, to get our message out. But it takes resources... if you can give $5, $10. If you can, fast a meal and give what that would be."

    Just saw (5.00 / 3) (#97)
    by MO Blue on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 08:14:54 PM EST
    a side by side comparison of the WH Rose Garden...before and after Melania's "renovation."

    Totally cold and lifeless. All color and character have been removed and cherry trees were cut down.

    Before (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 08:31:06 PM EST
    That seems appropriate (none / 0) (#102)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 09:38:53 AM EST
    But, yeah ... ugly.

    Even ugly (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 10:53:33 AM EST
    has some character to it.

    The Rose Garden lacks any character at all.  So IMO it goes beyond ugly to emptiness. Can't think of a better descriptor.


    Stand corrected (none / 0) (#108)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 12:51:17 PM EST
    The trees were crabapple trees.

    RNC Convention: All In The Family. (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 01:25:52 PM EST
    Lot's of Trump and family. The impeached Trump (every night), Don Jr. and girl friend, Kimberley Guilfoyle, Eric and wife Lara, Tiffany, and Jared.  Ivanka will introduce Trump, who, as they say, needs no introduction.

    Everything will be coming up roses when Mel, on behalf of her husband, gives from the sidewalks of the remuddled garden,  an empathetic presentation of the pandemic's sickness and death, entitled: " I DON'T CARE DO YOU?"

    Pence and Mother will dilute out the family a bit and concentrate the bigotry a lot. Trump once said of Pence that he wants to hang all gays.

    And, if this dynamic duo should inadvertently fall short in that department, Pompeo can fill in for any misses. And, should he inadequately smirk, the Covington Catholic High School student, who won those law suits, will be there for any needed augmentation.

    With a special nod to Trump deplorables, the gun brandishing St. Louis couple (facing felony charges for unlawful use of fire arms in a demonstration) will be there to offer their own set of grievances.

    Apparently, Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and other stars of the 2016 campaign will be absent this go around. And, Mike Flynn's "lock her up" chant will likely go unsung this year, perhaps to be picked up by a non-felon. If Putin can not come, maybe they can get, as suitable substitute, Konstantin Kilimnik---he, certainly, can speak to Republican campaigns.

    The Republican Convention would be nothing without Moscow Mitch, so he will be there by pre-recorded video. The convention will be carried gavel-to-gavel on FOX, for sure. And, on Comedy Central, possibly, (sadly and scarily, but appropriately).


    I just looked at the speakers for the upcoming (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 10:10:46 PM EST
    Trump turdshow. Essentially it's everyone you hated in high school.  Also, everybody named Trump.

    not REALLY (none / 0) (#115)
    by jmacWA on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 02:42:46 PM EST

    I've never been an antivacer (5.00 / 5) (#124)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 04:50:53 PM EST
    Yet, I would be very leary of taking any vaccine that was rushed through while Trump is President.

    Federal health officials, worried about shaky confidence in a possible coronavirus vaccine, launched a public campaign this week to try to reassure Americans that regulators won't clear any vaccine that isn't vetted for safety and effectiveness.

    Yet, pressure by Trump had the FDA originally clear Hydroxie and now after one tweet the FDA has changed course and given emergency authorization for convalescent plasma to treat covid-19 patient.

    Their actions leave me with little confidence in their pronouncements.

    I'll let you know (5.00 / 7) (#127)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 05:42:36 PM EST
    What Mr. Zorba, the molecular virologist, thinks of any vaccine.

    This is really remarkable (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 09:45:27 AM EST
    Republicans Will Have No Party Platform

    August 23, 2020 at 11:12 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 434 Comments

    The Republican Party announced it will forego a platform.

    Instead of drafting a document outlining the party's beliefs and agenda, the Republican National Committee simply states that it agrees with everything Donald Trump has done and will do.



    They have apparently decided to embrace the idea of a cult.  I guess they think it's their only chance

    Falwell quits... (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by desertswine on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 05:38:34 PM EST
    "Becki and I developed an intimate relationship and Jerry enjoyed watching from the corner of the room."  ...  the Poolboy

    Pool boys being famously versatile (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 05:41:49 PM EST
    I want to know more.  

    Why, when in doubt... (none / 0) (#150)
    by desertswine on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 10:05:16 PM EST
    blame the woman, of course.

     "Becki had an inappropriate personal relationship with this person, something in which I was not involved,"


    Waiting to (none / 0) (#157)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 25, 2020 at 11:20:17 AM EST
    hear from the physical trainer next.   So old hat,  is there a pizza delivery boy in tomorrow's news?

    On second thought (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2020 at 07:38:03 AM EST
    Jerry Falwell, Jr. reportedly resigned from Liberty University, the conservative Christian college his father founded almost 50 years ago, but now the embattled conservative leader says he is not leaving - and many are slamming him over his hypocrisy.

    "I have not resigned, I will be on indefinite leave," Falwell told Politico, after Liberty University had confirmed his resignation.

    I'll just sit over here and, you know, watch


    Watching (none / 0) (#155)
    by FlJoe on Tue Aug 25, 2020 at 07:58:59 AM EST
    these hypocrites go down is arousing, on a platonic level of course.

    Indeed. and FTR (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2020 at 08:06:35 AM EST
    Watching IS participation

    At least I always felt I was participating


    Trump's strategy (none / 0) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 11:20:01 AM EST
    Giving the Dems so much ammunition that they don't focus enough on any one or two winning issues?

    "Pentagon officials working on Defense Secretary Mark Esper's cost-cutting review of the department have proposed slashing military health care by $2.2 billion, a reduction that some defense officials say could effectively gut the Pentagon's health care system during a nationwide pandemic," Politico reports.

    Pentagon Eyes Cuts to Military Health Care

    Dems need to stop reacting to Trump's distractions and focus on the fact Trump is trying to take away your Social Security, Medicare, gut the health care of the military and every other citizen. Not only is he putting your health and lives at risk by mishandling the COVID-19 crises, he is trying to eliminate your ability to receive treatment by gutting your healthcare.

    Hey, J. How are the fires in the mountains (none / 0) (#2)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 12:36:05 PM EST
    affecting you? Our daughter who lives in Denver (Stapleton area) says they can feel the smoke in their throats as they breathe outdoors, and of course can smell it, from dozens of miles away.

    surprisingly, I haven't (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 05:05:13 PM EST
    noticed it. The last time I left my house was Thursday and I went about 15 miles south of Denver. The photo I posted was taken on August 7 or 8. The fires are the lead topic on the local news. A new one cropped up on Friday night, but none are near Denver. thanks for asking!

    The fires in the mountains are causing (none / 0) (#14)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 01:10:08 PM EST
    lots of smoke in Aspen.  Interstate 70 is still closed so big trucks were trying to Get to Aspen From Denver via Independence pass, which is a narrow, windy road between Aspen and Leadville.  Several got stuck and tow trucks finally removed them after many cars had to backup for miles.  The Governor did close that highway for a few days and now they have control at each end.  $1,500 fines for those truckers since there are posted signs.  It happen every year.  Then it takes five or six extra hours, on crazy mountain roads to go around the Interstate.to get to Aspen.  Those billionaires need their fresh salads.  Glad I'm not living up there anymore.  It's not looking good down here in the keys either with a long line of Sahara storms out in the Atlantic heading our way.  The torture never stops.

    Redfordations (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 07:00:53 PM EST
    Um, i mean reparations are much in the news lately.  

    Excuse the Watchmen reference.  Serious topic.  I guess.

    Although 12 trillion does seem a little unserious.  I think this will become a bigger issue as the election season progresses.

    I can't say I know enough about how it would be administered, or to whom it would be given,  to have much of an opinion about the wisdom of it.   I will say I think it could become more of a distraction than I think is wise in this particular election cycle.

    Six questions about slavery reparations, answered

    US economist proposes $12 trillion in slavery reparations to eliminate black-white wealth gap

    From the Second Link (none / 0) (#5)
    by RickyJim on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 07:21:05 PM EST
    Prof Darity and Ms Mullen outline that to eliminate the existing Black-White wealth gap an allocation of between $10 trillion and $12 trillion, or about $800,000 per black household, should be paid.

    The report says that the "US government--the culpable party--must pay the debt".

    The report details that eligibility for payments should be restricted to living descendants of people who were enslaved in the US prior to the Civil War, who have "self-identified" as black on an official document.

    I judge that the possibility of something close to this happening in the foreseeable future less than that of eliminating the Electoral College.

    That too (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 07:32:47 PM EST
    Personally more concerned about distraction in this election.

    Possible cure (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 07:52:55 PM EST
    For Trumpism

    To the alarm of some government health officials, President Trump has expressed enthusiasm for the Food and Drug Administration to approve an extract from the oleander plant as a dietary supplement to cure COVID-19, despite lack of proof that it works.

    Driving the news: The experimental botanical extract, oleandrin, was promoted to Trump during an Oval Office meeting in July. It's embraced by Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson and MyPillow founder and CEO Mike Lindell, a big Trump backer, who recently took a financial stake in the company that develops the product.


    Oleander is (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Towanda on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 11:31:43 PM EST
    toxic. A poison. I know this from reading mysteries.

    Trump loves  the poorly educated, who do not read.

    Thinning the herd for November 3rd.


    that is a great line (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 01:52:24 AM EST
    "Thinning the herd for November 3rd."

    Is it yours? Can I use it if I give you a h/t(hat tip)?


    It's not my line (none / 0) (#38)
    by Towanda on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 12:02:18 PM EST
    but am seeing it on social media, without attribution. So, feel free to use it, too.

    Back (none / 0) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 04:37:28 AM EST
    in the day they had a bunch planted along the causeway, they had to put up signs warning not to cut or burn them, somebody died from inhaling the smoke.

    We had several growing around the house, they never bothered me when I had to trim them.

    Oleanders growing outside her door
    Soon they're gonna be in bloom up in Annandale
    Steely Dan.

    Oy (none / 0) (#8)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 16, 2020 at 10:54:39 PM EST
    Lovecraft Country (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 08:57:47 AM EST
    is really something.  Hard to discuss without gushing.

    Almost certainly the new THING.

    Horrors so great and terrible as to stagger the human mind? That was H.P. Lovecraft's whole schtick. He stuffed his fiction with various and sundry eldtrich squamous tentacled oozy ancient malevolent beasties, the very sight of which proved so incomprehensible to us poor human schmoes it would instantly reduce us to gibbering wretches.

    It's that precise affinity -- slavery as abject, ungraspable, soul-devouring horror -- that writer Matt Ruff's 2016 novel, upon which the HBO series is based, cleverly explored. Creator and showrunner Misha Green (alongside executive producers Peele and J.J. Abrams, among others) doubles down, threading the novel's central plotline through a series of eldritch-monster-of-the-week episodes.


    Lives lost due to lockdowns. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 11:36:22 AM EST
    Lives saved due to lockdown (none / 0) (#21)
    by Yman on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 04:56:30 PM EST
    Also studied:

    Coronavirus: Lockdowns in Europe saved millions of lives

    They estimated 3.2 million people would have died by 4 May if not for measures such as closing businesses and telling people to stay at home.

    That meant lockdown saved around 3.1 million lives, including 470,000 in the UK, 690,000 in France and 630,000 in Italy, the report in the journal Nature shows.

    "Lockdown averted millions of deaths, those deaths would have been a tragedy," said Dr Seth Flaxman, from Imperial.

    That's only in 11 European countries and only through May 4.


    I'll take the Lancet (none / 0) (#32)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 09:49:22 PM EST
    Over the BBC any day.

    If you start with an exaggerated guesstimate of what the total fatalities will be, then any shortfall can be attributed to your favorite policy.

    The median age of Covid decedents is 83 in Minnesota as an example and 98% have one or more complicating health concerns such as severe obesity, COPD, asthma, cancer.  

    We have learned a lot from the time the big guesstimates were made.  The risk of death to the vast majority of the population is vanishingly small, and general lockdowns are not targeted on the most vulnerable.

    Worse, a lockdown is a politician's claim to be "doing something" while ignoring the most vulnerable.  Governor Cuomo's lockdown while requiring nursing homes to accept Covid positive patients is a prime example.


    Psssst ... it's not "the BBC" (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 06:22:58 AM EST
    It's a peer, reviewed scientific study published in a scholarly journal, just like the study in the Lancet.  Moreover, it's not a matter of taking one over the other.  The Lancet study doesn't conflict or contradict this study in the least.

    As far as the rest of your silly, wingnut bu//$hit, save it for the ignorant, Faux-News rubes who live in your fantasy world.


    Not just risk of death (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 09:38:18 AM EST
    But also risk of permanent injury, such as permanent lung and neurological damage.

    Given circumstances--- (none / 0) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 03:27:35 PM EST
    Trump's willful failure to control the pandemic and its correlate, the financial disaster, as well as his public sewer of racism, misogyny, xenophobia, QAnon embrace, and corruption, the Democratic primary voting results that made Joe Biden the Democratic nominee, put the nation in a very good position to reclaim America.

    The Biden ticket with Senator Harris as vice presidential candidate may be the strongest ticket to not only defeat the worst president ever, but also, to relegate the Republican Party to the electoral minority it earned, consistent with its minority values and policies.

    The Democratic primary contenders provided a deep bench of presidential possibilities. My thinking was that Senator Warren offered to be the FDR for our times. And, Jay Inslee provided expertise in a crucial area of climate change. Pete Buttigieg, Andrew Yang and Julian Castro offered an intelligent new look at problems and solutions.

     Bloomberg and Steyer offered campaign billions. Bernie created enthusiasm for many, but seemed to have run his course.  Review of the long list of primary contenders reveals those of varied strength, but as with Biden, they were not flawless. Although, some may still pine for the spiritualism of Marianne Williamson.

    If one believes, as I do, that Donald Trump is an existential threat to American Democracy, his defeat is of paramount importance. Election of Trump brings not only Trump for four more years, but also, Pence and Mother along with the Republican Party and their thuggish policies and politicians.

     Electing a president, is, in my view, like a marriage--you not only marry the spouse, but also the family. The Democratic primary voters seemed to decide the times called for the "old shoe" of comfort offered by Joe Biden. I trust their judgment. And, too, the "family" as well as judicial appointments, will help the nation out of the Trumpian debacle.

    ... in many respects it likely will be, given our present circumstances and situation. But personally, I think many Americans are simply exhausted of the Trump's bombast, incompetence, corruption, race-baiting, gaslighting, etc. and are craving a return to at least a modicum of political stability and public civility.

    And that growing sense of public anger and frustration over the events of the last 3.5 years is obviously playing to Joe Biden's advantage right now. "He is the steady hand," former California Gov. Jerry Brown said last week when endorsing Biden. "At a time of chaos and confusion, a steady hand should be the one people pick."



    Despite the damage to his legs... (none / 0) (#34)
    by unitron on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 03:23:22 AM EST
    ...from polio, or  Guillain-Barré syndrome or whatever it was, FDR had more swagger than the entire double digit 2020 Dem candidate field put together.

    Somethings you read more and more recently (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 03:41:34 PM EST
    Is the fact that if, some how, Trump succeeds in screwing up election results so bad Biden can't take office in Jan it is not him who will remain president.

    Nancy Pelosi will become President.  At least until a result can be reached.

    I've seen this on right wing sites like HOT AIR and others.

    The right is starting to understand this is actually possible.  And I think they are beginning to worry.  After all President Biden is way better than President Pelosi and majorities in both houses of Congress.

    USA TODAY "debunks" this (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 04:00:07 PM EST
    By talking about a "delayed" election.  Not a contested presidential election.



    Now he has to die (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 05:43:30 PM EST
    North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un has ordered pet dogs to be confiscated in the country's capital, saying the pooches represent Western "decadence'' -- but their owners fear Fido is really headed for someone's dinner table.

    Kim issued the directive in July to round up the pets, claiming they were part of "a `tainted' trend by bourgeouis ideology,'' a source told the English edition of Chosun Ilbo, a South Korean newspaper.

    "Ordinary people raise pigs and livestock on their porches, but high-ranking officials and the wealthy own pet dogs, which stoked some resentment'' among the lower classes, the source said.

    "Authorities have identified households with pet dogs and are forcing them to give them up or forcefully confiscating them and putting them down.''

    ... please consider that at 3:41 p.m. PDT yesterday (Sunday, Aug. 16, 2020), the thermometer at Furnace Creek in Death Valley National Park, CA hit 129.9F (54.4C), which is thought to be the highest recorded temperature on earth since 1913 (134.0F), which was also in Death Valley, only at Greenwood Ranch.

    Personally, the hottest temperatures I've experienced fairly recently was 117F in Las Vegas, NV in July 2009, and 112F in San Juan Capistrano, CA in Sept. 2012. Both were bad enough. Can't imagine 130F, not that I could likely tell at that point. Out here in the islands, it will break 90F only occasionally, but it's the humidity that'll get to you.

    Hope everyone is doing well. Stay safe.

    I've experienced those Las Vegas (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 06:36:53 PM EST
    heat numbers (112 or so). You really can't breathe -- even being at a pool is uncomfortable. I think Arizona gets really high in places too. We get up to 100 here on occasion, but the nights always cool down.

    I really don't know how people can live ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 07:35:15 PM EST
    ... in Las Vegas, but 2.2 million of them currently do. Growing up in L.A., we could at least head to the beach and coastline, where it was almost always 20-25 degrees cooler than the interior sections. There's no similar escape in Las Vegas or Phoenix except to retreat indoors where it's air-conditioned. That's why I always cringe whenever I have to attend a conference or meeting in either of those two cities during the summer.

    But as of right now we're not going to be flying anywhere any time soon, especially since our COVID quarantine has been re-imposed for inter-island travel. Our youngest grandson is five months old now, and I still haven't seen him yet except via Skype. Right now, I'm working from home three days a week, and I go to my office in the County Building in downtown Hilo on the other two. I think I actually get more work done on those two days down there, than I do during the three days at home. Too many distractions around the homestead.



    I can remember doing my paper route (none / 0) (#27)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 07:13:24 PM EST
    in Stockton, CA one day when it was 114. I think the San Joaquin Valley is experiencing those temps again this week.

    Posted without comment. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 08:59:56 PM EST
    Thats great (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 17, 2020 at 09:07:34 PM EST
    I think.  Perfect.

    Bwahaha! (none / 0) (#39)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 12:15:18 PM EST
    Rod still fits right in with the other crooks, doesn't he?

    The post master general says (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 12:38:42 PM EST
    He's sorry.

    He will turn the mail back on.

    Just now

    Breaking nooze

    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 12:47:00 PM EST
    Audio recording of Officer Lane (none / 0) (#44)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 06:39:58 PM EST
    speaking with investigators.
    One of the I questions I have about the death of George Floyd is why did police point a gun at Floyd so quickly. Lane gives his answer..
    Thomas Lane told investigators he pulled his gun on Floyd after seeing Floyd sitting in a car reaching under a seat or between his seat and the console, and because he did not immediately show his hands when ordered to do so.

    Another question is why was Floyd left face down on the sidewalk...
    "Once [Floyd] kind of stopped fighting us, I think I had said again, `I think we should roll him onto his side,' and I believe [officer Derek] Chauvin said, `We have him, there's an ambulance coming and we got him. We're just going to hold him here,' " Lane told investigators. "And that made sense to me just because I've had experiences with people who are OD'ing or they'll be out one minute and they'll come back and really be aggressive with you."

    In related news, prosecutors want one trial for all four officers.

    Trying these cases jointly would ensure that the jury understands ... all of the evidence and the complete picture of George Floyd's death," Frank wrote. "And it would allow the community and the nation to absorb the verdicts for the four Defendants at once."

    Separate trials would cause delays, could taint potential jurors for later trials and would burden the state, court and witnesses, he wrote.

    I'm guessing officers Lane, Kueng and Thao would prefer not to be in same trial and Chauvin. I don't believe a possible burden to the state should be a factor.

    I meant to say (none / 0) (#45)
    by McBain on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 06:51:37 PM EST
    I'm guessing officers Lane, Kueng and Thao would prefer to have their own trials or at least not be in the same one as Chauvin.   I'm curious what our defense lawyers in here think about one trial vs. four?  Or maybe one for Chauvin and one for the other three?

    This is nice to hear (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 18, 2020 at 07:03:06 PM EST
    On Tuesday, CNN reported that Joe Biden's campaign is thinking ahead for what to do in case there is a widespread failure of the electoral system or chaos surrounding the legitimacy of the result in November.

    The Biden campaign, just like the Trump campaign, has "set aside millions of dollars and created massive legal teams now deep in contingency planning for what's expected to be a prolonged and potentially contested post-vote period while states tabulate a flood of mail-in ballots, anticipating legal challenges across numerous states," reported Jeremy Herb, Pamela Brown, Kevin Liptak, and Marshall Cohen.

    One Biden adviser told CNN the campaign has created "the largest voter protection operation that's ever been run in a presidential cycle," and that "If we've learned one thing from the pandemic, having one contingency plan isn't enough. We have layers and layers and layers of contingency plans. Our programs are built with flexibility in mind to deal with any situation."

    derecho (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 09:32:51 AM EST
    Some how I managed to live all these years without ever hearing this word that I remember.

    Suddenly seeing it everywhere.

    derecha (none / 0) (#51)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 03:49:45 PM EST
    Is the other word to mix you up.  It means right, like turn right.  Where is SJ when we need her?

    izquierdo (none / 0) (#52)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 03:59:03 PM EST
    means left.  It goes along with derecho and derecha.  No problemo compañeros.  

    Yeah (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 04:00:42 PM EST

    According to google derecha is right in Spanish but I think more as in "rights" than turn right,  derecho is also Spanish but apparently not the masculine of derecha.

    noun: derecho; plural noun: derechos
    a line of intense, widespread, and fast-moving windstorms and sometimes thunderstorms that moves across a great distance and is characterized by damaging winds.

    Check the news for derecho.


    Verás la esquela a la derecha (none / 0) (#56)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 05:00:20 PM EST
    You will see the school on the right.  

    Spanish has all kinds of leeway with words and meanings.  Their comic books are loaded with double meanings.  I read them down in Costa Rica to catch up on the short cut happy words the fishermen use.

    By using derecho as a political movement is a perfect example since it can mean straight, as in drive straight ahead.  But strangely the word also means what google said, a big fast storm.  It's a definite play on words.  


    Not the first to think about this I guess (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 05:19:39 PM EST
    Two easily confused Spanish words are derecho and derecha. Both are distant cousins of the English words "right" and "direct," and that is the source of the confusion: Depending on the context and usage, these words can carry meanings such as "right" (the opposite of left), "right" (entitlement), "straight," "upright" and "directly."

    El derecho is never a term of direction and is used to refer to something that is due a person according to law, moral principle or custom -- in other words, a right. When used in the plural, it typically means "rights" such as in the phrase derechos humanos, human rights. It can also refer to a type of "right" that is less abstract. For example, derechos del autor (literally, author's rights) refers to royalties.
    La derecha refers to something that is on the right (opposite of left) side. It can refer to, for example, the right hand and the political right. The adverbial phrase a la derecha is common and means "to the right" or "on the right."

    "Derecho' and `Derecha' in Spanish
    Similar words can be confusing

    The folks in Iowa know what derecho means

    Derecho impact: NWS wind estimate now at 140 mph
     12:27 PM CDT Aug 19, 2020


    But no version of "derecho" (none / 0) (#63)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 07:51:29 PM EST
    or "derecha" means "right" in the English sense of "I was wrong and you were right." That's "correcto." ¿Sí o no?

    En el mundo de hablar español (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by RickyJim on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 10:16:25 AM EST
    sólo se oye «Tienes razón», «Tenés razón» (Argentina y Guatemala), «Tiene rázon» para traducir "You are right."

    Hope you are not (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 07:57:35 PM EST
    Asking me

    Si correcto Peter. (none / 0) (#66)
    by fishcamp on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 08:46:48 AM EST
    My Spanish is not very good because I did not study it in school.  I can speak well with eight or nine year olds, but after that age I'm lost.   The human rights usage in the site Captain Howdy found were way out of my league and I am very happy to have learned that information.  My grade school report cards often said I was a good student, but did not apply myself.  Now looking back I can see how true those words were.  Of course I don't have to learn Spanish, but for the amount of time I have spent in Spanish speaking countries, I should be better.  The verbs in Spanish are particularly difficult since most all of them have 84 declensions.  Lol, I'll never get there.  The Spanish words for left, straight, and right are the only words available for those directions that I know of.

    When south of the border (none / 0) (#75)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 04:14:57 PM EST
    I learned to never ask directions in Spanish. The answer you'll get is given so rapidly that I quickly got lost in just trying to understand the answer.

    I learned to point down the road and simply ask if the bus stop/hostel/whatever is this way? And then point the other way and ask or that way?

    Simplifies things.


    Ron Brownstein (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 02:36:34 PM EST
    Is usually worth reading.  This is another reason to worry about this election.  There is the problem Trump has about going to jail if he loses and then there is this.  This could be the last election republicans are able to steal.  Pretty sure this has occurred to them.

    The stark reality of that separation would test the bridge-building capacity of any president. Through the 2020s, tension is likely to grow between the diverse communities on display this week and the white constituencies that Trump is trying to mobilize by describing the BLM movement as a "symbol of hate" and by warning "The Suburban Housewives of America" that Biden will "destroy" the suburbs by allowing more low-income housing. If a majority of working-class and Christian white America responds to Trump's openly racist appeals when they represent a little more than 40 percent of the population, as they do today, there's little to suggest they will be less responsive to such arguments as their share falls into the 30s, as it will inexorably within a few years.


    Yes (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 05:07:09 PM EST
    what happens if Trump goes to jail? Maybe that is what it will take to end some of this. However getting Trump out of office is just step 1.

    Art and live tv (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 04:15:03 PM EST
    One of the good things about social distancing and tv news, IMO, is when they report in front of art.  Especially art I like.  And my favorite is the Frank Figliuzzi triptych.

    I really like it.  So much I'm really thinking of doing a similar one for my house.  With colors more native to my area.

    Figliuzzi has been great of this new Russia information.

    Looking for that image (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 04:30:33 PM EST
    I learned about the artist

    it's Diana Madaras


    "Boycott Goodyear!" (none / 0) (#60)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 07:20:22 PM EST
    Orange doofus is working hard to win Ohio. The cultists in my area need to be reminded that he called for a boycott of Harley Davidson in August of 2018. Harley's assembly plant is about 4 miles from my house.

    I can't figure it out. Does he want another term or not? The USPS debacle alone should lose him a host of adherents.  I get the "sharper spikes" thing, but no one is happy with cruddy mail service. And even the most devout cultists aren't supporting job losses in Ohio and PA (I'm guessing).

    Amazing (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    President Trump doubled down on his attacks against tiremaker Goodyear over its policies on political attire, saying he's considering replacing the company's tires on the presidential car with a different brand, The Hill reports.

    Said Trump: "I'm not happy with Goodyear because what they're doing is playing politics. And the funny thing is that the people who work for Goodyear, I can guarantee you I poll very well with all those great workers in Goodyear."

    The crazy part is (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 19, 2020 at 07:48:04 PM EST
    Goodyear never said "don't wear MAGA merch"

    They said don't wear political merch.  The game company I worked for had the same policy.  I don't think it uncommon.


    Trump tweeted he was switching (none / 0) (#68)
    by fishcamp on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 08:57:37 AM EST
    all the White House vehicles to Cooper Tires which is also an Ohio company.  I read that earlier this morning on Google news. How much will this ego move of his cost we the people?  Happily I can report I just bought two new Goodyear tires.  

    BLM (none / 0) (#80)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 07:31:20 AM EST
    BLM is political as it gets. When you allow Black Lives Matter but prohibit Blue Lives Matter you are choosing to take a side politically.

    True (none / 0) (#103)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 09:40:30 AM EST
    Kinda of like allowing civil rights groups but not allowing people to wear their KKK hoods.

    Putin the Poisoner strikes again... (none / 0) (#71)
    by desertswine on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 12:16:31 PM EST
    Alexei Navalny, Russia's most outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, is fighting for his life in a hospital, and his spokeswoman says she believes Navalny was poisoned as he was flying from Siberia back to Moscow.

    Questions about ballots. (none / 0) (#73)
    by fishcamp on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 02:12:40 PM EST
    When do they print them?  Do they have to wait until the candidates are nominated and accepted?  When my mail in ballot arrives I plan to vote immediately, take it to the post office, pay the $1.20 mail cost, and drop it into the box.  Then it goes down to the election supervisor in Key West.  Does she count them there and render them electronically or what actually happens and where do they finally go?

    In PA (none / 0) (#74)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 04:02:15 PM EST
    they are allowed to count any ballots until election day. And cannot count any past 8pm the same day. It is very restrictive IMO and grossly inefficient.

    NOT allowed (none / 0) (#76)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 05:41:27 PM EST
    to count.

    Cannot count any RECEIVED past 8 pm (none / 0) (#77)
    by Peter G on Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 07:44:43 PM EST
    on Election Day. The counting itself certainly continues past 8 pm on that day, and could continue for days and days after.

    thanks for that clarification (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 09:23:53 AM EST
    They should start counting mail ins early (none / 0) (#81)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 07:34:34 AM EST

    To avoid the debacle of the New York primary, mailed in ballots should be counted and tabulated daily as received.

    I think (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 10:39:42 AM EST
    you are messed up. It was CA that took weeks to determine the winner not NY.

    In Pennsylvania, that would be unlawful (none / 0) (#84)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 01:03:57 PM EST
    But I agree with you. Election officials should be allowed to start counting -- but not announce any tallies -- prior to Election Day, and certainly prior to the official close of the polls.

    Here is a state by state (none / 0) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 04:02:51 PM EST
    table when Absentee/Mail Ballot Processing and Counting Can Begin

    National Conference of State Legislators

    Many states allow the verification and processing prior to Election Day and some allow the counting to start prior to Election Day.  

    IMO the processing should be allowed prior to Election Day and the counting should start no later than 12:01 a.m. on Election Day.

    States need to amend their laws to better accommodate mail in voting. America would be better served if mail in voting became the standard method.


    A little good news (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 01:41:57 PM EST
    Foreign Affairs: "Since 2007, there has been a remarkably sharp trend away from religion. In virtually every high-income country, religion has continued to decline. At the same time, many poor countries, together with most of the former communist states, have also become less religious. From 2007 to 2019, only five countries became more religious, whereas the vast majority of the countries studied moved in the opposite direction."

    "The most dramatic shift away from religion has taken place among the American public. From 1981 to 2007, the United States ranked as one of the world's more religious countries, with religiosity levels changing very little. Since then, the United States has shown the largest move away from religion of any country for which we have data. Near the end of the initial period studied, Americans' mean rating of the importance of God in their lives was 8.2 on a ten-point scale. In the most recent U.S. survey, from 2017, the figure had dropped to 4.6, an astonishingly sharp decline."


    Good. (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by leap on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 03:45:33 PM EST
    Needs more decline.

    4.6 surprises me (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 04:21:35 PM EST
    Maybe it's my location.  To often it's seems like 9.5 around here.

    Naw (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 21, 2020 at 06:59:09 PM EST
    just needs better Christians. I certainly understand the decline when you see people like Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr. purporting to speak for the religious in this country.

    To say nothing (none / 0) (#90)
    by jmacWA on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 04:51:34 AM EST
    About Trump attempting to speak for religious communities.

    Attempting? (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 09:18:17 AM EST
    I would say he's been doing it.  Which IMO is only half as bad as the fact they are happy to let him do it.

    Unmasking fundamentalists is some of Trumps positive collateral damage.  

    I do agree what the right has called Christianity has a lot to do with the fact people are fleeing in droves.


    And yet (none / 0) (#93)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 11:14:34 AM EST
    the displaced whackiness seems to be seeping under the rocks to delusions like QAnon and unbounded faith in Lord Emperor Trump keeper of the spice.

    I wish (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 11:41:26 AM EST
    That was as funny as it should be.

    Melahnia has had the WH rose garden (none / 0) (#95)
    by desertswine on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 01:35:46 PM EST
    renovated.  She will make a speech for trump's "convention" from there.  

    "Our country has seen difficult times before, but the White House and the Rose Garden have always stood as a symbol of our strength, resilience and continuity."

    I did not know that.  I think that no one knew that.

    According to the First Lady's spokesperson (5.00 / 4) (#107)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 12:24:28 PM EST
    "I beg your pardon. We never promised you a rose garden."

    Too bad she had the cherry trees chopped down. (none / 0) (#96)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 03:13:38 PM EST
    I read they were crabapple trees (none / 0) (#101)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 09:32:56 AM EST
    Speaking of crabapple trees, (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 11:27:55 AM EST
    many years ago the city of Aspen decided to plant them all over town and they were beautiful.  Unfortunately when they matured bears came into town, climbed them to eat the crabapples, and nodded off in the trees.  Tourists thought it was part of theIr vacation to crowd around the trees to take pictures.  There were several nasty encounters and some bears were euthanized.  A very sad but true story.

    I typed too soon. (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 05:19:14 PM EST
    Mel's Rose Garden (none / 0) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 03:40:44 PM EST
    has that Albert Speer vibe.  Stern and pugnacious.

    The London Times... (none / 0) (#99)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Aug 22, 2020 at 11:03:26 PM EST
    Pay wall (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by Yman on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 09:49:17 AM EST
    Here's one for those who don't pay for the London Times:

    Coronavirus: Lockdowns in Europe saved millions of lives

    That would be millions of immediate deaths (not over the next decade) in Europe alone ...


    Good data versus bad (none / 0) (#176)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 28, 2020 at 05:27:23 AM EST

    We have a long history and volumes of data in judging the effectiveness of cancer screenings and early treatment.  It is settled science.

    On the other hand lives supposedly saved by lockdowns are self serving guesstimates from lockdown supporters and lack supporting data.  An opinion from a "scientist" is just an opinion if it is not backed with data.


    Hahahahahahahaha .... (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2020 at 09:31:05 AM EST
    The lockdown studies - of which there are many - are peer reviewed and supported by a multitude of data.  The fact that you can't read or comprehend that data is your problem, not the many scientists who conducted and reviewed the studies.

    B.S. (none / 0) (#178)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 28, 2020 at 03:32:40 PM EST
    No link.

    Kinda slow, huh? (none / 0) (#179)
    by Yman on Fri Aug 28, 2020 at 09:56:48 PM EST
    If you actually read the first link I provided, it has the link to the peer-reviewed study.  

    Here's another one from UC Berkley - 60 million more infections - and this was only through June.

    I get it.  Wimgers don't want to believe lockdowns worked, so they pretend there's no data.  Then, when confronted with the peer-reviewed studies, they just dimiss them because they don't like science that doesn't fit their silly, preconceived notions.

    Oh, ... well.


    You must beside yourself (5.00 / 3) (#118)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 03:12:04 PM EST
    Abdul, about the attempts to defund the postal service and slow the delivery of life-saving medications to those who need them..

    Speaking of the harm caused by lockdowns.

    I guess you're just so upset about it that it's hard for you to broach the subject. Understandable.


    Tropical storm Laura (none / 0) (#109)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 12:53:28 PM EST
    is about 600 miles away over Hispaniola now.  It's a big wet one that's spinning about 45 mph and moving forward at 20 mph.  Cuba is angled perfectly for the storm to pass over it's entire length, so their mountains could break it up.  When it does leave Cuba it will be over warm water again in the Florida straights and will probably turn into a cat 1 hurricane.  It should pass my longitude about 100 miles SW of Islamorada.  We will get very wet and have winds around 35 to 40 mph with gusts to maybe 50.  The highway north is packed and sometimes inching along now.  They have a mandatory evacuation for motor homes, trailers and boats, but I'm not seeing any of the more than 1,000 mohos living in big moho parks leaving.  Guess they are defying the law.  Today is calm and beautiful, but tomorrow will be a different story.  

    Please stay safe and keep us (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 01:19:53 PM EST
    updated, Fishcamp. Are you going to shelter in place again even if there is an evacuation order?

    The evacuation order is not even for tourists (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 01:42:37 PM EST
    only boats, trailers, and motor homes.  Thanks for asking, and yes I'm staying home.  This is barely a storm of any consequence and nothing like hurricane Irma that had ten hours of 145 mph winds here at my house.  In fact my gf is bringing dinner over tomorrow afternoon.  It will all be ok.

    What (none / 0) (#117)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 02:57:07 PM EST
    Is she making?  I always enjoy her ideas that we exchange.

    She's bringing a pasta dish, (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 03:55:08 PM EST
    while I'm grilling salmon and asparagus.  She will have some surprise desert too, I hope.

    Yum! (none / 0) (#123)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 04:41:35 PM EST
    Say hi to her for me.

    Patty is bringing (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 05:13:13 PM EST
    eggplant/zucchini lasagna with roasted red pepper pomodoro sauce.  Yes!

    Sounds almost like (none / 0) (#126)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 05:40:21 PM EST
    Moussaka, except moussaka doesn't have lasagna noodles.

    Salmon? (none / 0) (#128)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 08:47:17 PM EST

    In the Keys? When you could have a nice fresh hog snapper?

    Tsk Tsk.


    Well sure CG, but fresh salmon (1.00 / 1) (#132)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 09:24:05 AM EST
    flown into Miami and brought down here iced but not deep frozen is $16 per pound while Hog snapper is $25 per lb. as is grouper.  So since I grew up alongside the Columbia River I just have to get my salmon fix.  Just now getting the first of the storm rain bands.  Nobody is out catching any fish.

    Two flaws in my story. (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by fishcamp on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 01:34:44 PM EST
    The storm can't pass 100 miles SW of my longitude, it has to be South.  And it's Florida straits, not straights.  

    Stay safe Fishcamp. (5.00 / 3) (#113)
    by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 01:34:45 PM EST
    Looks like the biggest  problem for the Middle Keys will be rising waters. And, then, the subsequent clean-up. Please keep us posted.

    The smoke in the air has been bad (none / 0) (#130)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 23, 2020 at 10:20:27 PM EST
    the last few days, and tonight is no exception.  The air is dirty with smoke from fires in California, Colorado, and at least one somewhere near Santa Fe. The sliver of a moon has turned red.  It has been unseasonably hot, too.

    Fires are bad in CA (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 08:28:11 AM EST
    Just yesterday I heard from my cousin in Sonoma.  They were considering evacuation options.  And something I've not heard before,  picking a large body of water to try to survive in case all the roads are blocked.

    It sounds very bad.  She has two siblings who live in widely dispersed areas and they all have major fire within 20 miles or less.  


    It (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by FlJoe on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 10:20:01 AM EST
    looks like the entire Conway family is looking for that large body of water
    Claudia Conway on Monday made a series of TikToks celebrating her parents' announcements that they would withdraw from politics.

    Claudia, 15, is the daughter of Kellyanne Conway, a counselor to President Donald Trump, and George Conway, an anti-Trump conservative lawyer.

    Over the past few weeks, Claudia has used her TikTok and Twitter accounts to voice opposition to Trump and her mother's politics. She said on Sunday that she would take a break from TikTok to focus on her mental health.

    That is one weird family, but I still sense a hidden agenda. It's like a soap opera, will Kellyanne turn on tRump? Stay tuned.

    Tropical storm Laura (none / 0) (#133)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 09:35:38 AM EST
    is just now crossing my longitude but at about 21 degrees south.  I live at about 25 degrees south.  There are 69.2 miles between every degree of latitude, so there is your story problem for the day.  

    The storm has moved south off of Cuba and is over the water picking up speed, but is also farther south of me, so yesterdays prediction is still the same.  Wind 25 to 30 with gusts 40 to 45 mph.  Just now getting a big rain band, but not much wind.  Time to move the porch furniture into the house since I have no porch railings left thanks to hurricane Irma, three years ago.  Lordy...

    Duck (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 09:39:02 AM EST
    And cover

    Yikes...more flaws (none / 0) (#137)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 11:56:24 AM EST
    It's 21 degrees N latitude, and 25 degrees N .  

    "Misleading lenders " (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 12:49:42 PM EST
    Good timing.  

    New York Attorney General Investigating Trump's Business

    August 24, 2020 at 1:52 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) "is investigating President Trump's private business for allegedly misleading lenders by inflating the value of its assets," the Washington Post reports.

    The New York Times reports the office has asked a judge to order Eric Trump to provide testimony under oath and the Trump Organization to hand over documents about four Trump properties it is investigating.


    Howdy (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 01:08:51 PM EST
    apropos of nothing, did you happen to catch Chuck Palahniuk on Rogan awhile back?

    Did Eric Trump Take the Fifth? (none / 0) (#140)
    by RickyJim on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 01:32:06 PM EST
    In the filing, James' office states Eric Trump's attorney sent a letter to the attorney general saying he would invoke "those rights afforded to every individual under the Constitution" as justification not to testify.

    Eric might be the dumb (er) one (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 01:59:38 PM EST

    And according to a lengthy piece by journalist Jason Zengerle for the New York Times, Donald Trump, Jr. is worried about the possibility of members of his family facing criminal prosecutions if the president loses to Biden.

    Zengerle's article takes an in-depth look at the prominent role that Trump, Jr. is playing in the president's reelection campaign. And an anonymous source described by Zengerle as a "prominent conservative activist" told the Times, "Don's the only person who thinks they're going to lose. He's like, `We're losing, dude, and we're going to get really hurt when we lose.'"

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    Zengerle explains that by "really hurt," that source means criminal prosecutions. The Times journalist reports, "An electoral defeat in November, Trump Jr. fears, could result in federal prosecutions of Trump, his family and his political allies. He has told the conservative activist that he expects that a Biden administration will not participate in a `peaceful

    Oops (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 02:02:22 PM EST
    Scott Peterson's death sentence overturned (none / 0) (#143)
    by McBain on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 02:50:45 PM EST
    California's Supreme Court on Monday reversed the death sentence handed down to Scott Peterson for the 2002 deaths of his wife Laci and unborn son.
    The high court found that the trial itself was fair and the murder convictions stand.

    I'm not sure the trial was fair.  I hope there are more appeals for that.
    "In deciding whether to seek a new death sentence, the question for prosecutors now is whether they can prove Mr. Peterson culpable for this crime to even a single juror seated through a fair jury selection process."

    John Goold, spokesperson for the Stanislaus County District Attorney's Office, said, "We are reviewing the decision and will discuss with the victim's family."
    In 2019, Gov. Gavin Newsom issued a moratorium on the death penalty in California. The moratorium is only in effect while Newsom is in office.

    Vance shelves subpoena for taxes (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 06:23:03 PM EST

    Manhattan's top prosecutor on Monday agreed to delay enforcement of a subpoena for eight years of President Trump's tax returns.

    Cyrus Vance Jr., the Democratic district attorney for Manhattan, had the legal right as of this Friday to enforce a New York grand jury subpoena to obtain a lengthy financial paper trail that includes Trump's corporate and personal tax records.

    But Vance has agreed to temporarily shelve the subpoena against Trump's accounting firm, Mazars USA. The delay allows for another round of litigation, extending the nearly yearlong court battle over the subpoena in which Trump has lost every bout, including a landmark decision last month at the Supreme Court.

    The deal between the Manhattan district attorney's office and Trump's lawyers comes after a federal district judge in New York last week denied Trump's latest bid to invalidate the subpoena.


    The main point is almost opposite (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 07:53:24 PM EST
    According to the linked story (thanks for that), Vance agreed to give Trump's lawyers an enforcement delay only for the time they needed to ask the court of appeals for a stay pending appeal. But the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit then promptly denied the request for an "emergency" stay. So the subpoena for Mazars copy of Tr*mp's taxes could be enforced as early as this week.

    What do you think about the NY AG story (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 07:59:32 PM EST
    Wanting Eric's testimony above?

    I guess it's a civil case but she has said it might become criminal?


    Eric has every right -- and every reason -- (none / 0) (#151)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 10:18:18 PM EST
    to "take the Fifth" in the New York AG's investigation. And apparently he did so. No one can be compelled to answer questions in a civil case if a truthful answer might be used to help prove a criminal charge against that person later.

    No argument about that (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 10:36:42 PM EST
    I meant want do you think about the case against him.

    Possible Tuesday bombshell (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2020 at 10:39:39 PM EST
    From yet another ground of anti Trump republicans

    Miles Taylor and Elizabeth Neumann, former senior DHS officials who served in the Trump administration, have started a group of Republicans "who work or have worked for Trump but want to elect Biden and reform the Republican Party," Politico reports.

    "So far, two current senior administration officials have anonymously signed on to the effort and one of them has preliminary plans to reveal their identity closer to the election and expects to get fired as a result..."

    "The person also said the group is preparing another `bombshell' to be revealed as soon as Tuesday but didn't get into any more detail when pressed."

    Let me make sure I got this right. (none / 0) (#158)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 03:35:01 PM EST
    An unarmed black man can get shot in the back seven times over a domestic disturbance but a 17 year white kid can walk through the streets of a Kenosha with an AR-15 with no problem. And commit 2 murders while he's at it. Then makes it to Illinois.

    And you wonder why they want to burn it all down? If I was able, I might possibly join them.

    NBA says enough (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 04:30:27 PM EST
    2016 to now (none / 0) (#160)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 05:47:19 PM EST
    is starting to feel like being in a 35,000 hour long David Lynch movie.

    Seen this? (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 06:01:34 PM EST
    President Trump told the Washington Examiner that he will call for drug tests for both Joe Biden and himself before the first candidates' debate on Sept. 29.

    "The president expressed suspicion at what he said was a sudden, marked improvement in Biden's debate performance during the Democratic primary season and suggested that he believes the improvement was the result of drugs. The president offered no evidence to support his speculation."

    Said Trump: "My point is, if you go back and watch some of those numerous debates, he was so bad. He wasn't even coherent. And against Bernie, he was. And we're calling for a drug test."

    How About an Income Tax Test? (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by RickyJim on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 06:34:38 PM EST
    This would be a perfect tit for tat requirement Biden should place on Trump.

    Sounds like Trump (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 08:19:39 PM EST
    is looking for a way to get out of debating.  Biden declines the drug test prerequisite, Trump gets out of debates and says,  see he is on drugs.  And, we know Trump projects, he needs his drugs and is covering for Junior and girlfriend.

    I think Biden should take him up on it (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 07:58:29 AM EST
    Trump would surely find a reason to not do it.  

    Last night Trump and Pence both were working the rope lines without a mask in sight.

    Ask yourself how this whole picture would be effected if one or both of them came down with Covid as a direct result of their little party.


    Just heard (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 08:34:30 AM EST
    1000 to 1500 people at the White House for the speech tonight.  No mask required.

    If there is a god.......


    Not bad (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 11:53:44 AM EST
    Speaker Nancy Pelosi told Politico that she doesn't think Joe Biden should agree to debate President Trump.

    Said Pelosi: "I don't think there should be any debates... I wouldn't legitimize a conversation with him, nor a debate in terms of the presidency of the United States."

    There is wisdom there.

    Right now I'm watching Biden do an extended interview with Andrea Mitchell.

    I think it was one of George W Bush's advisors who said watching him speak publicly was like watching a drunk man cross an icy street.

    That's exactly how Biden makes me feel.

    No debates.  Listen to Nancy.


    How is Fact Checking Going to Work ... (none / 0) (#173)
    by RickyJim on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 01:47:29 PM EST
    during the debates?  Or is it something that will only happen in the media in the days after?  I would think that would be the main reason not to debate Trump.

    I just now saw him say (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 01:56:30 PM EST
    There would definitely be debates.  I guess I understand his position.   He actually mentioned fact checking.

    I should probably say I think he was pretty good today
    He did extended interviews on CNN and MSNBC.  That doesn't change what I said before.


    The more I think about (none / 0) (#175)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 06:53:00 PM EST
    the more I agree with Speaker Pelosi. It's not because of Joe.

    Why give the orange terd a platform to spew more bile? He's going to rail about rigged elections and mail ballots. It will be socialism, socialism, socialism. Why should the Democrats hive a legitimate platform to that cr@p.


    Says President Frank Booth (none / 0) (#163)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 06:35:00 PM EST
    LOL (none / 0) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 26, 2020 at 07:01:36 PM EST
    He's saying that because everybody was joking about the cocaine cowboy speeches at the RNC.

    You thought he meant the Post Office? (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 08:01:42 AM EST
    He never said anything about the Post Office.  That's fake news.  He was talking about the vote counters.

    President Trump is shifting his focus from the U.S. Postal Service in his concerns about potential fraud in mail-in voting, claiming problems with mailed ballots lie with local elections officials who are "going to count them wrong," NBC News reports.

    Said Trump: "It's not the post office ... it has nothing to do with the post office."

    He added: "The problem is when they dump all these ballots in front of a few people who are counting them, and they're going to count them wrong. The post office is not to blame."

    Someone with a partial brain (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 08:04:01 AM EST
    Probably explained to him that the counting will be much easier for him to f*ck with.

    In how many places are ballots counted (none / 0) (#170)
    by Peter G on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 11:00:55 AM EST
    by hand these days? All our county elections board workers do is feed them into a scanner.

    My county might have a scanner (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2020 at 11:12:52 AM EST
    I would be surprised

    I was not talking about the physical counting as much as the process of counting, everywhere,  that seems a softer target than the USPS.   That has not been going well.