Ozarks Pool Party-Goer Contracts COVID-19

A party-goer who attended the shameful display of indifference to the lives of others at the now infamous pool party in the Ozarks on Memorial Day weekend has now tested positive for the coronavirus, possibly infecting as many as 250 people.

If anyone comes down with Covid-19 that can be traced to the party-goer, or worse, the person who he infected dies, can he be charged with a crime under Missouri law? How about federal law?

Missouri now has its largest COVID numbers since the pandemic began. Will Missourians hold Republican Gov. Mike Parson accountable for (in my opinion) irresonsibly opening the state up too early?

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    Just did a Walmart run (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 31, 2020 at 11:32:31 AM EST
    First in several days.  Bit alarming to see that while the mask ratio was close to 50/50 a few days ago it's now 75-80 no mask.
    All employees were masked.  Walmart is the only business around here still doing that as far as I know. The 20-25% with masks hurry around shopping fast and giving each other furtive knowing looks.

    If it's going to spread it's spreading.  That is an absolute fact.  It is like looking into a abyss looks back routinely

    That was not what I wanted to comment on.

    This is my home.  I was born about 12 miles from where I now sit. I lived here until I left home after HS and have been a retiree here 10 years.

    I just saw something I have never seen here.  Two people, in two different parking lots panhandling with versions of "need money for food".
    Sure if you drive 70 or 80 miles in any direction to a larger town there were always panhandlers.
    Never here.  Not once in my life.  No idea what it means or who these men, they were both men, were or if they wanted money for liquor or drugs but they didn't look like it.  They were both clean and reasonably well dressed.  Looked about mid to lat middle age.

    I didn't stop because they were pretty far away and truth be told tomorrow is payday and I honestly had nothing to give them.

    I just find this deeply unsettling.  

    The stores that are open around here (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Peter G on Sun May 31, 2020 at 11:51:40 AM EST
    will not allow anyone inside the front door without a mask, and are controlling how many can enter at one time. Greater Philadelphia area. Even protesters wear masks (and not to prevent identification by police or to protect against tear gas and pepper spray).

    The Florida keys are opening tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by fishcamp on Sun May 31, 2020 at 06:24:44 PM EST
    after being closed for two months or so and I'm scared  I do realize the businesses need to open but with 18,000 virus people 100 miles away in Miami it's frightening.  The mayor of Miami has closed the beaches due to rioting so people will be on their way down early tomorrow.  The torture never stops.

    Daughter Zorba says (none / 0) (#21)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 06:04:31 PM EST
    that the stores where she lives in Brooklyn are the same.  Everyone wears masks, a limited number of people allowed in at a time.  She and her DH have been getting food delivered for years, fortunately, so they don't have to go out very much at all, in any case.

    St. Louis County, MO (none / 0) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 07:19:17 PM EST
    Stores are limiting number of people allowed in the store but are not making masks mandatory.

    The majority of people do wear them in the stores. Old, white men seem to be the ones who are refusing to wear one. Their wife normally has one on but not them. Stupid.


    Interesting (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 07:22:42 PM EST
    Old men (and women) are pretty much the only masked folks here.

    Most everyone is white.


    Mixed (none / 0) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 08:06:36 PM EST
    Middle class neighborhood. Small sampling of mostly middle age and senior citizens but trend here was consistent on the days I've shopped.

    My (none / 0) (#24)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 07:29:31 PM EST
    last run to Publix saw about 40% with masks, seemed down from last week.

    Generally speaking it seems young to middle ages women were least likely to wear one and older women most likely, old dudes were probably second most likely but well behind the woman.


    Biden is speaking in Philly (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 09:34:29 AM EST
    And it's really pretty good.  

    Really doesn't svck

    While not among (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 11:57:42 AM EST
    my top choices in the primary, I have come to the conclusion that Biden Is the right candidate for these very troubling times.  His speeches deserve wider media coverage.

    Biden invited.by family (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 01:43:35 PM EST
    of George Floyd to attend and speak at funeral in Houston.

    Sorry trolls (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 01:20:24 PM EST
    New Monmouth poll

    Protestors' Anger Justified Even If Actions May Not Be
    Most say police more likely to use excessive force on black individuals

    The poll finds that 76% of Americans now say that racial and ethnic discrimination is a big problem in the United States

    Just over half (53%) of the public feels that race relations have worsened since Trump became president. Only 10% say they have gotten better

    In other poll findings, the incumbent president's overall job rating continues on a downward trend


    "Silent majorities" ain't what they used to be.

    I don't know (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 06:12:56 PM EST
    If there is a silent majority but there definitely has been an ignored majority. How many articles have we seen about the poor downtrodden Trump voter and none about the 2016 Hillary voter.

    It has more shoreline than California (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 01:57:10 PM EST
    (I did not actually know that)

    Finally started Ozark.  It really is good.

    Well, the Lake of the Ozarks (none / 0) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 02:19:23 PM EST
    has more shoreline than CA if you don't include the lakes in CA. Or even just Lake Shasta.

    Regardless, the comparison is eye-opening. LOTO is a sprawling, squiggly, snake-like lake.

    My wife binged the whole series. She loved it. She is a Bateman fan.


    I live about 100 miles (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 02:28:10 PM EST
    From the lake.  Been there many times.  But not last Memorial Day.

    Wise decision (none / 0) (#36)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 02:50:31 PM EST
    Ozark (none / 0) (#37)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 03:17:08 PM EST
    was filmed in Georgia,  Lake Lanier about 60  miles north of Atlanta.

    A lot of it was filmed (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 06:14:32 PM EST
    Near me on Lake Altoona

    A shame IMO (none / 0) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    that it wasn't actually filmed in the Ozarks which is a beautiful area. Of course, as a life long Missourian I'm a wee bit biased.

    After that comment I was reading (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 08:41:31 PM EST
    Georgia worked hard for it

    While Hollywood remains the heart of the film industry, Georgia has staked a claim as its Southern campus. In 2016, more major feature films were made in Georgia than in California, according to data from the Los Angeles film office. Movies filmed in the area have dominated the box office in 2018, thanks to Marvel Studios' recent migration to the Peach State: parts of Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp were all shot in Atlanta.

    How Georgia Became the Hollywood of the South


    This presents (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 03, 2020 at 05:12:35 PM EST
    A lot of opportunities to my son who is majoring in film.

    There are definitely (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 08:36:56 PM EST
    Inserts and aerial shots are there.  

    Trust me (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 30, 2020 at 05:12:57 PM EST
    That pool party is the tip of the iceberg

    I see this attitude everywhere way to often locally.  I really really think things are going to get bad here in the next month or so.

    linked to this map earlier.  My state is #2 with a bullet

    Went out today (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CST on Sat May 30, 2020 at 06:42:05 PM EST
    Traffic is still incredibly light and most people were wearing masks. Maybe because we already had thousands of deaths?  Even the protesters were covering up.

    I think a lot of places are about to see what already happened to NY, NJ, LA, and MA.  We needed to cover up in Feb/March but waited until April.  You might start seeing a lot more masks in July or August, and thousands more dead.


    Better here in NJ, generally (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Yman on Sat May 30, 2020 at 07:25:59 PM EST
    Most people wearing masks anywhere they could come close to others, even while outside.  But I still see a lot of young people (teens) congregating at various places around town.  Plus, it's getting into summer season here at the Jersey shore and people are starting to have backyard bbqs and pool gatherings at private homes.  Most people taking it seriously, but also fatigued after 2-3 months.  I could easily see this spiking again.

    If you think the pool party is bad (1.50 / 2) (#4)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat May 30, 2020 at 09:17:07 PM EST
    You should see what's going on in the streets of Minneapolis. The mayor, to his credit, did ask that masks be worn. Advice no doubt much appreciated by the looters.

    Concern troll (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Yman on Sun May 31, 2020 at 05:43:30 AM EST
    Wonder if more of them wear masks than the the ammo#exuals trying to intimidate legislators at their "reopen" rallies?  Had to be a lot of exhaling carrying around all their toy soldier gear.

    Not to mention those beer bellies.


    De Blasio agrees with you (none / 0) (#6)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun May 31, 2020 at 06:57:12 AM EST
    Good to know (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Yman on Sun May 31, 2020 at 07:50:58 AM EST
    Purpose is always relevant to whether it should be permitted.

    George Floyd protesters - legitimate protest, wearing masks, not threatening lawmakers.

    Reopen ammosexuals - holding a political rally, playing fake-soldier, promoting dangerous conspiracy theories, threatening lawmakers, upset because they can't get a haircut.

    Moronic motives are their secret sauce.


    Threatening law makers? (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun May 31, 2020 at 01:05:44 PM EST

    Strangely no one was arrested for making threatening lawmakers. Perhaps these threats are confined to your imagination. Standing peacefully is not a threat.

    There are people (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jondee on Sun May 31, 2020 at 07:21:33 PM EST
    in some parts of the country who thrive on enraged, assault weapon-packing imbeciles barging into their workplace and screaming
    in their faces..

    In gun show and militia culture, it's whats known as "standing peacefully".


    I guess sometimes the police (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Peter G on Sun May 31, 2020 at 07:35:02 PM EST
    do show admirable restraint.

    "Perhaps" - heh (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Yman on Sun May 31, 2020 at 07:38:02 PM EST
    Perhaps someone should read a few news articles or learn to work the Google-machine before making silly claims.  Bringing weapons into the capital building in Michigan was not "peacefully protesting".  It was meant as a threat to intimidate.  These are the same idiots screaming at police officers in the capitol building and threatening Governor Whitmer.  The same @$$clowns that call their protest "Judgment Day" because they mean to threaten and intimidate.  Like the clown with the doll hanging from a noose while carrying an axe,  Of course, maybe he was just planning on chopping down a cherry tree, right?  Not to mention the idiots in Kentucky hanging an effigy of Gov. Andy Beshear from a tree and then marching to the governor's mansion, chanting "Come out Andy".

    "Peaceful protesters" ...

    You're funny.


    Yes, good advice. (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 01:32:25 PM EST
    To be inconspicuous, the Trump family should wear a mask as they rob the US Treasury.

    New England Journal of Medicine (none / 0) (#15)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 06:21:15 AM EST
    gleichschaltung (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 07:17:46 AM EST
    Nice to see lying in language of the fatherland

    Nice touch

    It goes on

    There may be additional benefits to broad masking policies that extend beyond their technical contribution to reducing pathogen transmission. Masks are visible reminders of an otherwise invisible yet widely prevalent pathogen and may remind people of the importance of social distancing and other infection-control measures.

    It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers' perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask, particularly in light of the worldwide mask shortage, but it is difficult to get clinicians to hear this message in the heat of the current crisis. Expanded masking protocols' greatest contribution may be to reduce the transmission of anxiety, over and above whatever role they may play in reducing transmission of Covid-19. The potential value of universal masking in giving health care workers the confidence to absorb and implement the more foundational infection-prevention practices described above may be its greatest contribution.

    Mandating symbolic value. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 06:58:01 AM EST
    Gleichschaltung fits nicely.

    That's some very poor reading (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Yman on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 07:47:13 AM EST
    The study you cite wasn't looking at the use of masks outside a healthcare setting.  The four sentences you cite are only addressing a "passing interaction" in a "public space" - i.e. one that is not sustained for more than a few minutes or in a confined space.

    There ARE studies that have looked at the issue of masks outside the healthcare setting and have determined that the masks ARE, in fact, effective:

    Most person-to-person transmission occurred within households, the study says. Wearing face masks in the same house was 79% effective at curbing transmission, but only before symptoms emerge. Wearing masks really wasn't protective after the symptoms started.


    "This study confirms the highest risk of household transmission being prior to symptom onset, but that precautionary [non-pharmaceutical interventions], such as mask use, disinfection and social distancing in households can prevent COVID-19 transmission during the pandemic," said a news release from BMJ Global health, the medical journal that published the study.

    BTW - You're not being loaded onto train cars.  You're not being gassed.  No one is conducting experiments on you.  This is not genocide.  You're not being persecuted or lined up and executed.  It's a piece of cloth.  At worst, it's a minor inconvenience.  Grow the he// up and stop the pathetic, ridiculous (and offensive) use of Nazi terminology.


    Right wingers (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 09:46:19 AM EST
    are desperate.  They are hoping that the political party out of power will be blamed for the botched pandemic response and the protests rooted in fascist-adjacent policing of Americans  while on the watch of the incumbent, Trump.

    Dr Dave Campbell just said (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 08:11:43 AM EST
    What ever increase in the death rate there is from Memorial Day forward should start around the first week of July.

    Boy, that seems like a long time to spread before there are new cases that start making people be more careful.

    And he emphasized the importance of making.  Of course.

    Importance of (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 01, 2020 at 08:12:17 AM EST



    Half full? Half empty? (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 02, 2020 at 09:30:18 AM EST
    Either way, we ain't there yet

    Today is the 154th day of 2020. So far this year we've seen an impeachment trial, a global pandemic, an economic collapse and civil unrest across the country.

    There are now 154 days until the November 3 election.