Donald Trump's Feelings are Hurt: No More Briefings?

Donald Trump has not reacted well to the massive mocking he has been subjected to by mainstream and social media as a result of his idiotic comments about investigating whether injecting bleach into humans might be the cure for the coronavirus.

First, he said he was being sarcastic. The Guardian explains how ridiculous that defense is. Here is the clip of the original comments. Here is the clip of his "sarcastic" defense.

Meanwhile, his press secretary contadicts him, claiming in a press release that the brouhaha is the result of the media taking his comments out of context. [More....]

Now Trump says there's no point to giving press updates:

“What is the purpose of having White House News Conferences when the Lamestream Media asks nothing but hostile questions, & then refuses to report the truth or facts accurately,” he wrote. “They get record ratings, & the American people get nothing but Fake News. Not worth the time & effort!”

There was never any point. The conferences were the idea of his campaign team, who assumed they would boost his ratings. After weeks of being the target of media criticism because he gives out false information, the bleach comments were the final straw in the eyes of his camaign team. They finally advised him to stop holding the conferences because they are decidedly hurting, not helping his reelection effort.

It would all be just another media disaster, except some people took him seriously and tried it -- and the idea for his comments may have sprung from letters written by a religious sect that sells bleach it claims is a cure for the coronavirus, advising 5 drops mixed with water (DO NOt try this). The FDA recently slapped the product's makers with a court order banning their product. More on the court order here.

That the man with a desk in the Oval Office might take advice from a bleach peddler he's never met and whose product has been banned by the FDA is truly disturbing.

Were the bleach comments the beginning of the end of the road for Trump? I hope so. America is entitled to so much more than Donald Trump is capable of providing. He is tanking our global reputation and status.

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    The clips (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 08:14:03 PM EST
    I saw of the stupid Trump press conference showed Trump looking like he was completely drugged up. He had the red drug eyes and everything.

    It probably wasn't drugs. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 08:13:39 PM EST
    Rather, he likely didn't close his eyes in time while they were spraying the insta-tan on his face.

    Hilarious (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by smott on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 09:06:26 AM EST
    Trump couldn't go 2 days without a presser lol

    One of the interesting parts of this (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 10:35:15 PM EST
    Has been seeing inside the homes of all the familiar tv people.  The decor, what the choose as a backdrop - books, art (I like art), mantles

    Orchids must be easier to grow than I thought

    Lots of orchids.

    Dr. Birx, when asked (5.00 / 4) (#118)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 03, 2020 at 12:39:26 PM EST
    In a FOX interview, was what her reaction, from a public health standpoint, was to those fine people gathering at the Michigan State Capitol, replied that it was "devastatingly worrisome".

    Maybe Senator Susan Collins can trade-in her troubled and adopt this expression for her ongoing Trumpian perturbation.

    It's best not to copyat. (none / 0) (#147)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 04, 2020 at 05:52:25 PM EST
    I'd suggest that Sen. Collins instead use the phrase "apocalyptically concerning." Or is that too many syllables for a Republican?

    I have read (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 06:30:43 AM EST
    that the worst thing you can do to a malignant narcissist is to mock them. Being made fun of completely destroys their con.

    Well I think (none / 0) (#2)
    by jmacWA on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 07:25:55 AM EST
    he has been mocked by a big portion of the population for quite some time... but now it's even his fans that are doing it.  That's the good news... the bad news is that the fans are so hooked that it took tRump advocating injecting bleach/lysol/etc. to get them to see what a dolt he is.

    Another twist (none / 0) (#3)
    by Yman on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 07:31:06 AM EST
    Right before he cut the briefing short, a WH official had ordered a CNN reporter to go to the back of the room.  She refused, as did the reporter they told to switch seats with her.

    Congrats to both reporters.

    I think it could have been Mitch (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 07:49:38 AM EST
    And Senate republicans who got him off the air.  The net has been full of stories about how he is losing the senate.

    Mitch is his friend.  As long as he is leader.  The minute that leadership role is threatened he will be under the bus instead of driving it.

    I really think if there is any hope of 25th amendment style mutiny it will be because he is killing hopes of keeping the senate and Mitch will be the driving force.  

    And make no mistake, they may have gotten off the daily afternoon marathon but it will take more than that to muzzle him.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#5)
    by Yman on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 08:12:37 AM EST
    But I think the only way that happens is if Trump starts losing support from the Republican base.  If McConnell/Republicans were to try anything when his support is anywhere near the 90-93% approval rating he has with Republicans, they'd only be shooting themselves in the foot.  Given how that support has remained pretty consistent despite all the moronic things he's said/done over the past 3 years, I'm not holding my breath.  OTOH, with the economy nosediving and unemployment skyrocketing, there might be some percentage of Republicans who are willing to face reality.  But I think that Republican approval number would have to drop to at least 75-80%.

    Definitely (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 08:20:14 AM EST
    If Mitch's hand is in involved it would likely be invisible

    Also there is no more skilled and ruthless behind the scenes operator than Mitch.  He has ways.

    My real point was I'm thinking it was Mitch who got him off afternoon tv.


    Don't discount (none / 0) (#8)
    by smott on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 09:11:57 AM EST
    The China-Loan issue, I doubt he wants to deal w questions about that right now.
    My guess is he lets things cool down, then can't resist starting up again w these pressers.

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Zorba on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 10:11:57 AM EST
    you are probably correct.  Since he can't do his campaign rallies right now, and he can't resist shooting off his big mouth to tell everyone how great he is, he will be itching to resume the press conferences.  
    Although it won't surprise me if they limit which reporters they let in.
    Or maybe he'll just go to Georgia or other "opened" states and do campaign rallies there.

    I expect to see Trump holding rallies (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by caseyOR on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 10:32:37 AM EST
    again very soon in red states that have opened up. He won't be able to resist. Those rallies are apparently like oxygen to Trump. And who is going to stop him? Certainly not Brian Kemp or Ron de Santis.

    It will be a nightmare.


    The rallies are a different thing (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 10:43:01 AM EST
    And if it would only kill his followers it would be fine with me but of course it would not.

    I completely agree he will not shut up.  It was kind of my point.  
    And rallies might actually help energize his base.  I would think they would have to more stupid that even I think they are to not be demoralized.

    The tv briefings are a whole different thing.  But not really in his mind.  Hence the problem. It's not just people who drive for hours and stand in line to hear him who are listening.  Everyone is listening.  They are home.  What else are they going to do.

    He could well start rallies.  He says he plans to.  I think the daily two hour prime time performance art is over.


    That said (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 11:30:10 AM EST
    I hope not.  I hope he is right back at the podium tomorrow at 5.

    Because they are right.  Every minute he does that it's good for us and bad for them.

    I have not watched more than 15 seconds of one except in the news coverage so they don't bother me.


    Careful what we wish for (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 01:25:20 PM EST
    White House Briefing Back On

    April 27, 2020 at 1:42 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 47 Comments

    The White House has apparently re-scheduled the coronavirus task force briefing that it had previously cancelled after initially scheduling it.

    President Trump will apparently "brief the nation" on additional testing guidance and new guidelines for lifting stay-at-home orders.

    This feels like it's about to get interesting.


    I'm sure sick of Interesting. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by leap on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 02:08:57 PM EST

    Mitch (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 05:49:19 PM EST
    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on Monday suggested that President Donald Trump is not helping the American people with his appearances at coronavirus task force briefings.

    McConnell told Fox News Radio that Americans would rather hear from scientists and public health officials like Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx.

    "Well, certainly what the American people are most interested in is the advice from health professionals about how to conduct their daily lives safely," he said after being asked whether the president should curtail the events.

    It would be interesting (none / 0) (#21)
    by ragebot on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 03:45:00 PM EST
    to see a breakdown of deaths from COVID-19 by party affiliation.  So far NY, CA, and MI have the most deaths.  In my state of FL the majority of deaths have been in dem strongholds like Miami-Dade, Broward, Orange, Hillsborough, Pinellas.  Even in red states the majority of deaths have been in big cities controlled by dems.

    To what end (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 03:47:50 PM EST

    What would this information mean to you


    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 05:36:15 PM EST
    to what end?  There is no bottom with these guys. Red v Blue in a life threatening novel virus pandemic.  Pitting sick people against well people for political advantage is disgusting. Pitting living against dead is monstrous.

    It should be obvious (none / 0) (#23)
    by ragebot on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 04:07:35 PM EST
    if more dems than pubs were vics of COVID-19 it would hurt the dems chances of winning.  Probably not enough to change the outcome but who knows.

    Well (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 04:09:57 PM EST
    I would not count on that as a winning strategy.  If only because those over 65 seem most at risk.  Not the strongest dem voting block.

    I have been reading versions of this (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 04:07:54 PM EST
    Mostly democrats are dying.  

    I have no idea if this is true.  Probably since the hardest hit areas are currently urban.  Currently.

    Here's the thing.  I live in rural.  I've been watching them live and on the web.   And I will be very surprised if there is not a significantly larger round of cases that will be delayed because of geography.  Starting in a week or so.  

    I can absolutely tell you that, here - a seemingly in a lot of places, it's democrats who are protecting themselves.  Or at least not Trumpists.  This has been pretty widely discussed and documented.

    It might not ultimately be "mostly democrats"


    I have seen polls (none / 0) (#30)
    by ragebot on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 08:40:04 PM EST
    that dems are more likely to use things like face masks than pubs are.  On the other hand there seems to be real agreement from the medical pros that many of the masks in use are not effective in preventing the user from catching COVID-19.  The most common problem is the masks simply don't fit and allow unfiltered air to pass through the cracks.  Things like riding on a subway, buss, train, plane, or being in a crowded building are activities folks in a big city engage in much more often than someone living in a rural area.  I went to Walmart today and noticed folks who were older seemed to be wearing masks while the younger folks were not wearing them.  I have what I consider a high tec mask and also wear a hat with a see through sheet of plastic that goes from the brim of the hat to my chest; not to mention I try and observe social distancing.

    Point is protection is one thing but exposure is another.  When I go shopping I not only wear protection but as soon as I get home I put stuff I bought in the laundry room spread out on the tops of the washer and dryer, mostly close the door to the kitchen, turn on the UVC light that also produces ozone, go upstairs, undress, and take a shower, then take my clothes (in a plastic bag) downstairs.  After 30 minutes of 60W UVC light I take the stuff off the washer and dryer and put it away and wash my clothes.  This happens a couple of times a week and the rest of the time I am not exposed to the virus since I am in my living room or taking my walk in the park next door.  Only seen people there once and did not come within 20 feet of them.  A lot of rural people may not have the same routine but do have the limited chance of exposure I do.  On the other hand many folks living in NYC, Washington DC, Miami, Houston, Detroit, or other big cities have many more chances to be exposed.

    Look at the huge difference between LA and NY.  A big part of this is because what I call the car culture in LA where everyone drives alone in a car and is basically limiting their contact with others while in NYC you really have to take a train or buss to get around.

    It may be more important to limit your chance of exposure than to do things like wearing a mask; something much easier to do in a rural area than in a crowded city.


    It is unknown if exposure to this virus (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 01:42:13 PM EST
    Leads to immunity long term or short.

    And on the other hand, the demise of some healthcare professionals suggests a high viral load exposure might lead to the immune system having a severe overreaction and killing you.


    He may (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 01:13:29 PM EST
    have rallies in GA but not yet as venues are still closed. I don't know when they are reopening.

    Hey (none / 0) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 08:23:58 AM EST
    bartender, one clorox, one lysol and one pod.

    Two Corinthians (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 12:14:37 PM EST
    walk into a bar,  Bartender, I'll have a can of that new Lysol refreshment I've been hearing about, says Corinthian I.  I'll have the same says Corinthian II, but does it come  in diet? .  I'm trying to lose a few pounds.

    And (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by FlJoe on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 12:21:41 PM EST
    get those four horsemen in the corner a round on me.

    A question (none / 0) (#13)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 11:43:00 AM EST
    How long does Lysol stay in your bloodstream?

    Asking for 63 million... friends.

    I think the more import question is... (none / 0) (#17)
    by jmacWA on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 02:59:40 PM EST
    If you are caught driving under the influence of lysol does it count against you for insurance purposes

    I figured out (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 26, 2020 at 05:10:58 PM EST
    What Dr Birx meant when she said on MTP today that when Trump was talking about injecting disinfects he was "digesting information"

    I guess that's Dr talk for he was shi++ing us.

    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 27, 2020 at 05:04:51 PM EST
    "The U.S. Supreme Court asked for additional briefs in an upcoming clash over President Trump's financial records, telling the lawyers to address whether courts have power to consider the lawsuits he filed to challenge House subpoenas," Bloomberg reports.

    "The justices are set to hear arguments by phone May 12 on subpoenas issued by three House committees to Trump's banks and accountants, along with a separate case over a New York grand jury subpoena for the records."

    "Should the justices say the courts lack power to hear Trump's suits over the House subpoenas, the ruling could lead to his tax returns becoming public before the November election."

    Still in the dark (none / 0) (#31)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 12:21:07 AM EST
    about facemasks.  There seems to be widespread agreement that the huge majority of them do little or nothing to protect the person wearing it.  There may be some protection from spreading COVID-19 if you have it and wear one, but even that is limited.

    When the pandemic first started I had several options.  One was a mask I first bought when there was a mold problem in my storage room and it was suppose to filter out viruses.  It was full face and had filters you could replace.  Also had several N97 one use masks I bought when doing fiberglass work inside the boat.  After a lot of research I broke out the sewing machine and made some masks using the 3M Filtrere procedure.  I ordered some halyard material and will be making some masks using it as soon as USPS delivers it, suppose to be tomorrow.  The UF med school seems to favor this option; but I am considering adding some 2500 Filtere.  The vid about the UF style mask also goes into detail about how to fit a mask and how if not done correctly the mask may well be close to useless.  One thing I have found is using tape on the edges of the mask makes a huge difference.  As the medical doctor in the UF vid points out since she has a small face and chin she has to use tape to get the mask to work correctly.

    The UF halyard style mask also has the advantage of being able to be sterilized so it is not single use.  I am still of the belief that the best way to sterilize things is using UVC light with ozone.  Both the UVC wavelength and ozone are known to destroy all viruses; in fact they are dangerous to humans (and other living things).

    So how many of you guys are using masks, what kinda masks, do you sterilize them and if so how.

    Comments welcome.

    You wear the mask (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by smott on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 09:05:46 AM EST
    To protect others, not yourself

    That's what you do if you are ... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Erehwon on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 11:23:24 AM EST
    a nice person. Others, well, IGMFY captures their sentiments well!

    Not (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 02:05:16 PM EST
    Mother thinks (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 03:05:57 PM EST
    he looks too alluring as a masked man, so he is not allowed to wear one unless she is present.  This, of course, overrides setting an example.

    Methinks (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 03:32:24 PM EST
    big daddy tRump is calling the shots here, only losers wear masks.

    The obvious question is (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 03:44:56 PM EST
    why was that dipsh*t allowed in there without a mask?

    And, too. (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 05:09:27 PM EST
    What does the Mayo Clinic know about health matters?

    I wear one when I go out (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CST on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 09:15:45 AM EST
    I had some left over from a construction project so I wore those until they ran out and now go with cloth.  I only go out to get groceries.  I wear it to protect others, not myself.  I don't worry a ton about sterilization - we are out of sanitizer anyway.

    Masks are to stop YOU (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 05:20:22 PM EST
    from spreading germs. Not to protect you.

    I rarely leave the house. My wife goes to the Post Office (there is no mail delivery in my village), pharmacy and grocery store. She is using a pot leaf bandanna (bought in Amsterdam 20+ years ago) with hair ties to keep in on her ears. People seem to love the pot leaf bandanna and keep asking if she'll make them a mask.  The few times I have gone anywhere, I used the same bandanna setup.

    Facemasks were commonplace when I lived in Japan in the early 70s. Asians have worn them for years. Back then you could by a pack of cotton gauze masks to cover your mouth at any train station snack kiosk. They are sold like small packs of kleenex. Japanese wore them on crowded trains to keep OTHERS from getting their germs if they coughed or something. Incredibly polite and thoughtful people. I miss Japan and regret that I never got to return.

    My health (and now COVID-19) prevent me from visiting my sister in China.


    Yes but (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 05:46:31 PM EST
    since I read the virus can live on airborne particles of pollution    I am happy wearing one for my own piece of mind when I am around others.  At least.

    I've been doing bandana also.


    NYTimes (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 07:48:06 AM EST
    Adding to growing evidence that the novel coronavirus can spread through air, scientists have identified genetic markers of the virus in airborne droplets, many with diameters smaller than one-ten-thousandth of an inch.
    That had been previously demonstrated in laboratory experiments, but now Chinese scientists studying real-world conditions report that they captured tiny droplets containing the genetic markers of the virus from the air in two hospitals in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak started.
    Their findings were published Monday in the journal Nature.

    "Those are going to stay in the air floating around for at least two hours," said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who was not involved with the Nature paper. "It strongly suggests that there is potential for airborne transmission."

    I (none / 0) (#66)
    by FlJoe on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:08:05 AM EST
    thought airborne transmission has been pretty much a given over the last several weeks.

    Me too (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:15:13 AM EST
    But there was no real evidence until very recently.  In both Italy and now China.

    And both say they are not sure there is enough virus to cause infection floating around on air particles.

    But yeah.  That's why I wear a mask.


    Also (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:20:07 AM EST
    There is airborne transmission from coughing and sneezing.  That's not what this is.  This is virus just floating around on air particles for, they say, hours that are not coming directly from a cough or sneeze.  

    Some masks are protective (none / 0) (#44)
    by Towanda on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 06:14:38 PM EST
    of the mask wearer. Doctors and nurses, if they can get them, wear N95s.. and not because doctors and nurses are coughing and sneezing.

    But surgical-style masks are for the purpose that you describe.


    Yes, it is (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15:32 PM EST
    not that N95s are not effective both to help protect the wearer and others, but due to their scarcity their general use is being discouraged so as to have enough masks for health care workers.  

    We await definitive studies on the effectiveness of surgical and other types of masks, starting with a better understanding of transmission such as by droplets and/or aerosol.  However, an absence of evidence in not necessarily evidence of absence.  In any event, masks are a part of the public heath strategy (I.e., social/physical distancing, washing hands, testing, tracing) to mitigate the sickness and death of this pandemic until a pharmaceutical treatment (e.g., anti-viral drugs, vaccines) become available.


    I do a retro bandana (none / 0) (#47)
    by MKS on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 08:47:08 PM EST
    like  a bank robber in a 1950s Western.

    Everyone here wears a mask or bandana....If you don't, you get the stink eye from everyone else.....


    Funny, I also have been feeling (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:43:42 AM EST
    when I go out that I must look like I'm about to rob a bank.

    My (none / 0) (#72)
    by FlJoe on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:51:29 AM EST
    trip to the liquor store felt very "criminal'.

    Did you have to wait outside (none / 0) (#84)
    by Peter G on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 12:42:29 PM EST
    for the pickup, in the getaway car?

    Hawaii's emergency orders ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 28, 2020 at 08:36:51 PM EST
    ... require us to wear face masks out in public, with exceptions for those individuals who are exercising and or have pre-existing medical conditions such as asthma, which can make wearing a face mask somewhat problematic.

    We wear ours every time we go out. We have cloth masks, which are washable in the laundry, but we started wearing disposable masks once I located a place where I could get them fairly easily, because they're actually much more comfortable. I bought a box (of 50 masks each) for each member of my family, and I have also sent a few boxes to our relatives and in-laws in California and Texas because they couldn't find any where they live.

    I keep one mask in the glove compartment of my car in a sealed plastic sandwich bag. Technically, the masks are for single use by dental and medical professionals, but since I'm only using it for maybe 20 minutes at a time a couple of times a day, I've found that I can re-use it for about four days before having to change it out. That way, a box of 50 masks will probably last me through June.

    The reason we wear face masks is to protect others, rather than to protect ourselves. If each of us do it and comply with social distancing specifications, that's how we will protect one another.



    For those of you who failed (none / 0) (#49)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 12:42:24 AM EST
    to watch the vid from the med student at UF here is the Cliff's Notes summary.

    The biggest problem with many masks, especially the home made fabric ones is it is not easy to breathe through them so people simply don't ware them or pull them down so they can breathe through their nose.

    There are masks who's function is to protect others from the spread of the virus and masks to protect the wearer from catching the virus.  The bandanna style or many of the home made fabric or paper towel masks can reduce the chance a person with the virus (whether they know they have it or not) from spreading it; but it does not completely eliminate the risk unless the mask is completely sealed.  The masks designed to protect a person from being exposed to the virus are a whole different can of worms.

    First thing a protective mask must do is be comfortable for the wearer to breathe or they simply remove it.  Next is the mask must have a very tight seal.  The girl in the vid noted that the only mask that did not fail the test required the use of tape to help achieve a good seal.  Interestingly I got a call from my dentist at the VA today about my cleaning and checkup being delayed.  In discussing masks he indicated my description of the test used by the girl at UF was the exact same test he went through when being trained in the use of protective masks.  This convinced me even more UF is on the right track.  Next the mask must be made of material that will not let the virus pass through it.

    A secondary consideration of the protective mask design is can it be sterilized.  This means instead of needing a huge number of masks the wearer can get by with as few as half a dozen or so.  That is why I like the UF designed mask.  With a proper fit augmented by using tape the user can be protected from a virus being breathed in the wearers mouth or nose.  Depending on how long the wearer uses the mask (as a rule on a ten hour shift the mask is switched out after five hours.  At the end of the day both masks are sterilized and another set of masks is put into rotation for the next day.  If possible masks should not be reused for at least 24 hours, and the longer the better.

    For under $US22 I bought enough halyard material to make 200 masks.  I view the thread used in the sewing machine as a few dollars at most.  I also wear a clear plastic face shield which reduces the chance of exposure even more.Even with marginal sewing skills making this style of mask should be trivial.

    Bottom line is I don't think it is a good idea to rely on the actions of others to protect me from exposure to COVID-19.  Spending a few dollars and a few hours to make a supply of protective masks seems like a good idea to me.


    Amash (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:00:03 AM EST
    Justin Amash Explores Bid for President

    April 28, 2020 at 8:55 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 193 Comments

    Rep. Justin Amash (I-MI) announced an exploratory committee to run for president on the Libertarian Party ticket.

    Said Amash: "We're ready for a presidency that will restore respect for our Constitution and bring people together. I'm excited and honored to be taking these first steps toward serving Americans of every background as president."

    Axios: "Amash gained notoriety last year when he came out as the lone House Republican to support the impeachment of President Trump following the publication of the Mueller report. He later switched his party affiliation to independent."

    Another good call (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:59:47 AM EST
    by Speaker Pelosi.  The boomlet to appoint Amash as one of the House Impeachment Managers for grand  bipartisanship was ignored.   No helping hand for his future plans.

    Yep that's a big boost to Trump (none / 0) (#52)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:08:35 AM EST
    If polls hold as they are it's literally the only way Trump can win, short of Biden stroking out or something, though the Intercept crowd is pushing hard in Tara Reade. Useful Idiots indeed.

    Anyway Amash will be swimming in DeVos and Mercer money. If he gets on the ballot in  MI, WI, PA, FL, all bets are off.


    Just from (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:12:17 AM EST
    what I have seen Amash seems to be hurting Trump more than Biden. He's the GOP version of a Green party candidate.

    Of course (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:28:39 AM EST
    That said (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:33:44 AM EST
    Jesse Ventura says he's 'testing the waters' for Green Party bid for president

    IMO it would be a mistake to minimize the problem he might be for Biden.  Amash will help but I fear the left has shown more receptivity to such stuff.

    See Stein, Jill.


    "See Stein, Jill" or (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Peter G on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:49:21 AM EST
    "Nader, Ralph, in 2000"

    Hands Up Don't Shoot... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 10:07:58 AM EST
    But I dont think I could sleep at night if I passed on an opportunity to vote for Jessie The Body.

    In a two man race he'd whoop Trump easier than Biden ever could. If Jessie actually gets on the ballot in all 50, Biden could best serve this nation and right America's ship by dropping out of the race.


    The wrestler/TV host (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 05:54:19 PM EST
    ... who's not qualified to be anywhere near the White House???  Have people learned nothing from 4 years of Trump?

    The only one that should drop out is Jessie.


    Okay, dog (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 07:37:43 PM EST
    That's it.  You vote for Ventura, and you won't be allowed on my place with the rest of the Pirate Crew.

    Ground Control to Major Tom: (none / 0) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 03, 2020 at 10:33:51 AM EST
    kdog: "But I dont think I could sleep at night if I passed on an opportunity to vote for Jessie The Body. In a two man race he'd whoop Trump easier than Biden ever could. If Jessie actually gets on the ballot in all 50, Biden could best serve this nation and right America's ship by dropping out of the race."

    Jesse Ventura proved himself to be a lousy governor, and he'd be an even lousier president. Please get serious, and stop chasing after every shiny object that comes into your immediate view.



    Straight (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 11:00:04 AM EST
    outta Russia again. Of course Putin couldn't use Stein again as she was exposed as a Russian asset so here we go with someone employed by Russia Today.

    As far as falling for the con yeah, evidence is right here below.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 11:24:33 AM EST
    My gut sez

    Take him way more seriously that Jill Stein.  He's smart.  And he is a politician.  A pretty good one.  Who was elected governor of a big midwestern state.


    I believe you are greatly mistaken (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:27:44 AM EST
    If you think an Amash third party run would "boost" Trump.

    Absolutely (none / 0) (#57)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:39:14 AM EST
    All those voters who hate voting for Dems but won't vote for Trump now have somewhere to go. Just like in 2016. Just like in 2000.
    Rachel Bitecofer should have a good take on this.

    Yeah I've seen the tweets (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:47:30 AM EST
    I think it's BS

    it's living in a conventional wisdom world when the world is no longer close to conventional.

    She has a tiny point about Trump  needing multiple candidate because he can never get to 50%

    The thing is, of course there will be multiple candidates.  Amash will not help Trump.  More so if there is a Green for weak minded Dems to vote for.

    We will see.


    It's Indies and Libertarians (none / 0) (#62)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:53:41 AM EST
    Who we have to worry about.

    ...and how (none / 0) (#58)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:40:03 AM EST
    In the world do you think it helps Biden?

    Do you seriously think (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:49:34 AM EST
    There are not many republicans who would like to have another choice.  If so I would say get out of your bubble more.

    Not talking about Republicans (none / 0) (#61)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:52:39 AM EST
    Talking about libertarians and disaffected Indies who now have another option. Those are not Trump voters, they're now reluctant Biden voters who suddenly have someplace to go.

    "Independents and disaffected Indies" (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:56:10 AM EST
    Which is another name for republicans who won't admit it.

    They went for him last time and he squeezed by.  Not going for him will not help him win this time.

    But arguing about it is pointless.

    We will see.


    Why on earth would you want (none / 0) (#64)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:00:14 AM EST
    to pull votes away from Biden? Even reluctant ones. Pulling votes from the orange clown doesn't necessarily help Biden in any way, shape or form.

    Not sure if this is snark or what (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:06:00 AM EST
    Let's back up.

    Amash is a RABID right winger.  There are few more rabid.  The fact he has opposed Trump doesn't change his history or politics which are something no left leaning voter would vote for once they are discussed.  Amash will not "help Trump"

    Pulling votes from Trump doesn't help Biden?  

    I believe it would, if that was serious.


    If we would like to worry (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 09:27:26 AM EST
    About a third party hurting Biden I suggest worrying about the former governor of Minnesota

    smott (none / 0) (#76)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 10:09:35 AM EST
    mentioned giving reluctant Biden voters somewhere else to go. Why would we want to lose those votes? I'll take any voters for Biden, reluctant or otherwise. Hell, I'm a reluctant Biden voter.

    Talking about them going to Amash (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 10:34:22 AM EST
    I think that will not happen.  One.

    Two the fact is there will be "someplace else to go"

    Of course there will.  There always is. The issue is who the candidates are and who would go to them.

    Very few lefties are going to vote for Amash.  I just think that's silly.  OTOH quite a few might go to Ventura.  

    Good luck stopping the Nader, Stein, Ventura and Amash's of the world from running.    IMO it's one of the dumbest parts of our presidential elections.  What it has always meant is a president can be elected with 25% if it's more than anyone else.  IMO a system that's might let a crazy cult elect a president is f'ing nuts.

    But it's the one we have.

    So.  Amash is running.  I hope he is enough to balance out the idiots who would vote for Ventura.  

    All that said,  my belief is that this cycle there are far, far, more democrats who want to win than, say, last time.  I think the Green Party take will be small.  Whoever it is.  But a serious third party Republican, which he is, could do better.  Because, Trump.

    That is my belief.  Like I said, who knows, we will see.


    A thought about Biden (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 10:40:54 AM EST
    Early on one of the reasons I thought he was a terrible idea was he screamed THE PAST.

    generally not a good plan for an election.

    I think the crisis we are living through might turn that on its head.

    Suddenly going back, particularly to the days of Obama is looking pretty good to a lot of people.

    I think.


    Do you seriously think there are not many (none / 0) (#74)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 10:07:12 AM EST
    dems that would rather have another choice than Biden.  I will admit Biden is not the worst possible candidate the dems could have picked (Avenatti would have been worse) but of the realistic choices Biden is the worst.

    My bigger point is to disagree with your implied claim that there are only dems and pubs.  In aggregate, 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents.

    Maybe more important is the increasing number of folks registering as I, mostly at the expense of the Ds.  As I have posted more than once it has been some time since prez elections were decided by votes for a candidate; rather they are decided by votes against a candidate.

    There is not much question Trump squeaked out a big victory by winning a few key states by narrow margins while Clinton was running up big vote totals in states (like CA and NY) where she spent too much time fund raising instead of visiting states where Trump campaigned hard for his narrow wins.

    Bottom line for me is that the key to winning the 2020 prez race will be winning a small number of voters in key states; and more to the point a lot of those voters will be the Is, not the Ds or Rs.


    I think sexist Bernie bros (none / 0) (#77)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 10:31:25 AM EST
    Would be looking for an off ramp and a dude like Amash would be fine w them.
    Esp if for ex Biden picks that snake Warren as VP.

    That's quite a stereotype (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 12:09:23 PM EST
    you've got rattling around like a BB in a boxcar..

    My question is, if Bernie had gotten the nom, where would the antisemite, red-baiting, Wall St deregulating 90s Democrats go?


    Probably (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 12:23:04 PM EST
    sitting home. Elected dems would be running a two pronged race against Bernie and against Trump. Bernie had one week as front runner and it was a complete disaster. I can't imagine an entire election season of that.

    For Bernie because (none / 0) (#85)
    by smott on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 01:15:42 PM EST
    They can tell the difference between Bernie/Biden and fascism.

    Unlike for ex) Gray, or Turner, or other Bernie surrogates who apparently can't discern those details.

    I mean FFS Gray just today pretended "but Trump is worse" is not a moral argument.
    Of course it is. My God.


    The Vietnam death toll number is stupid (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 02:45:03 PM EST
    There is a more important number I have not seen mentioned yet.

    60,000 is more that the annual death rate from influenza
    In a few months.  And it feels like it's just getting started.

    I actually (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 02:57:05 PM EST
    have found the Vietnam War number to be effective with the wingnut welfare crowd. Maybe it doesn't work with you or I but it has them pretty freaked out.

    There (none / 0) (#88)
    by FlJoe on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 04:41:38 PM EST
    is no success like failure
    Jared Kushner improbably trumpeted the bungled coronavirus response as a "great success story" even as the death toll from the pandemic nears a crushing 60,000 Americans.
    in tRumpland.

    A Corollary (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 02:29:01 PM EST
    The "Peter Principle" states that you get promoted to one level above your ability. In Trumpworld it is the reverse. Every time he fires an incompetent moron, the next person to take the job has to be even more incompetent and moronic to even want it.

    And (none / 0) (#89)
    by FlJoe on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 04:54:30 PM EST
    you too can join our dear leader in celebrating his glorious victory
    On Wednesday, The Daily Beast reported that the White House is now selling $100 commemorative COVID-19 coins, emblazoned with phrases such as "World vs The Unseen Enemy" and "Everyday HEROES Suited Up."
    Presumably, unlike unemployment, operators are standing by.

    The *rump admin are sick sick sick (none / 0) (#92)
    by leap on Wed Apr 29, 2020 at 08:24:52 PM EST
    sick ghouls. I hate them all with the fire of a thousand suns.

    Where is the money going, presuming his deplorables will be buying them? Into the Federal coffers? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. Sure.


    Unbelievable (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 30, 2020 at 10:27:06 PM EST

    Washington Post Live

     Maryland @GovLarryHogan on whether he was concerned that the federal government would seize the tests the state procured from South Korea. He says the tests are being guarded by the National Guard at an undisclosed location.


    Since FEMA (none / 0) (#98)
    by Zorba on Fri May 01, 2020 at 10:36:22 AM EST
    Has managed to seize some medical supplies ordered by other states, I can't blame Hogan at all.
    I've been pretty pleased with how Hogan has handled this crisis.  I didn't vote for him, but I don't have much if any criticism about how he has dealt with this pandemic.

    Absurd. (none / 0) (#99)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 01, 2020 at 11:55:08 AM EST
    Also, the Republican Governor of MA used a private Patriots' plane of Robert Kraft to by-pass the confiscation of needed medical supplies.  Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker arranged a secret flight to bring in PPE and other supplies.

    As for use of the National Guard, what is the scenario if a confrontation with Trump's federal agents?   A shoot-out.  A Fort Sumpter?  

    Over 100 newspapers called for the resignation of President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky bj issue, including the Philadelphia Inquirer, USA Today and the Chicago Tribune.  If there is ever a need for a media voice, it is now.  Can we afford to wait until. November in the face of Trump's clear and present danger.


    To be clear (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 01, 2020 at 12:16:39 PM EST
    I think what the governor did was great.

    It's unbelievable a Republican governor would discuss publicly the deployment of the state national guard to protect from the feds.

    I can't think of this happening before in my life.

    But the gov is a hero.  IMO


    Agreed, (none / 0) (#101)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 01, 2020 at 12:25:13 PM EST
    to be clear from my perspective, the governors are showing heroism in protecting their states from the virus and Trump.

    Definitely (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 01, 2020 at 01:23:52 PM EST
    again separating the wheat from the chaff. Kemp and DeSantis are miserable failures while Whitmer, Cuomo and Hogan are heroes.

    Biden was on Morning Joe (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 01, 2020 at 09:07:48 AM EST
    For an extended interview.

    he was
    Interviewed at some length by Morning Mica on Tara Reade

    As unwatchable as I find Mica she did an acceptable job of asking all the questions.

    after that they talked about a lot of other things

    My impression was Biden was pretty good.  All the way through.  As good as I have ever seen him.

    Ok (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 01, 2020 at 09:10:25 AM EST
    Tara Reade Wrote (and Deleted) Posts Praising Putin

    May 1, 2020 at 9:29 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 168 Comments

    Tara Reade, who has accused Joe Biden of sexual assault, wrote several Medium posts in 2018 praising Russian president Vladimir Putin.

    Wrote Reade: "President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity."

    The posts have since been deleted, but can be viewed in the Internet Archive.

    That was bizarre (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Yman on Fri May 01, 2020 at 05:24:18 PM EST
    A good analysis of the allegations from a former sex crimes prosecutor.

    Then (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by FlJoe on Sat May 02, 2020 at 09:32:11 AM EST
    there is this
    "Look, this isn't about protecting women. This isn't about the #metoo movement. This isn't about Joe Biden. This is about truth. Tara Reade stole from me. She lied to me. She stole from my organization. She manipulated me and she duped me. I want that to be shared because it's important information. And I have documentation, images and emails to prove it."
    -- Lynn Hummer, Founder/President of Pregnant Mare Rescue and self-proclaimed `feminist'

    Of course the MSM, who happen to be a month late to the story, are just playing this as a strict he said she said situation, while ignoring all of the ample  intervening reporting calling out the inconsistencies and escalations in her story and questions about her credibility.


    They prefer the story (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 02, 2020 at 12:36:14 PM EST
    About two candidates who are both accused and it just a matter of degree.

    Think of all the opportunities for bothsiderism that will provide.


    Yes, (none / 0) (#106)
    by KeysDan on Sat May 02, 2020 at 01:38:56 PM EST
    Biden needs an Access Hollywood-type audio-type where he clearly talks about how they let you do it if you are a star.  The bothsiders will scamper away looking for emails.

    Later (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 02, 2020 at 07:07:22 PM EST
    Tara Reade Cancels Fox Interview

    May 2, 2020 at 7:09 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 119 Comments

    Tara Reade "abruptly" cancelled a planned appearance on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, The Atlantic reports.

    Probably a smart move (none / 0) (#108)
    by Yman on Sat May 02, 2020 at 09:15:18 PM EST
    Smarter than going back and editing her old blog post to match her current allegations.  That was not remotely smart.

    Great Creeping J---s... (none / 0) (#109)
    by desertswine on Sat May 02, 2020 at 10:37:22 PM EST
    Now we have Murder Hornets to contend with!  When will the insanity stop?

    And the hits just keep on (none / 0) (#110)
    by ragebot on Sun May 03, 2020 at 01:26:47 AM EST

    In addition to all the other law suits now schools are being sued by students.  No matter how this turns out one thing is clear; higher education will be forever changed.

    Trends (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 03, 2020 at 10:00:11 AM EST
    I have spoken to a half dozen or so family and extended family members last week (I ventured out for the first time doing some distanced visiting for the first time since mid March) who seem done with Trump.  
     Example, my 76 yo Trumpie brother.  He says `I'm scared to death of this and I think he has made it worse'.
    Others echo this sentiment.  

    Endangered Republicans Keep Distance from Trump

    May 3, 2020 at 8:41 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 67 Comments

    Josh Kraushaar: "Here's what I'm hearing from smart GOP strategists now: Republicans should be talking about their work to help their communities in the wake of the pandemic, and avoid referencing Trump's role in managing the crisis. To win battleground Senate seats that are looking more tenuous, it will be crucial to maintain support from some Trump-skeptical independents. If Trump's political condition doesn't improve by the fall, prepare to talk about keeping the Senate as a check against Democratic power, even if it means acknowledging the presidency is likely lost."

    The Internal Poll That Shocked Trump World

    May 3, 2020 at 8:35 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 119 Comments

    Washington Post: "One of the polls, an internal RNC survey of voters in 17 battleground states, had former vice president Joe Biden leading Trump 48% to 45%, according to an adviser briefed on the 20-page polling memo. The coronavirus ranked as the most important issue to voters, and 54% of those surveyed said Trump was too slow to respond to the crisis, while 52% said they believed the government should be doing more."

    "Worse still were the matchups with Biden on a range of core characteristics. Just 36% said they considered Trump more honest and trustworthy; 35% said he was more compassionate and empathetic; 44% said he was more competent; 43% said they believed he fights more for people like them; and 36% said he was more calm, steady and relatable."

    Also my brother mentioned this (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 03, 2020 at 10:04:13 AM EST
    He is a bit over sensitive (IMO) about my "stupid old people" remarks

    "Several political advisers, including White House senior aide Kellyanne Conway, have warned his allies against relentlessly mocking the 77-year-old Biden's mental acuity because the president has already lost ground with senior citizens."

    "Biden doesn't seem like the one that's slipping". He said


    Democrats (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2020 at 10:14:15 AM EST
    should point out over and over that those senate candidates had a chance to get rid of Trump and get competent management in so to speak and they said no. Their impeachment vote should be repeatedly hung around their necks over and over.

    I (none / 0) (#114)
    by FlJoe on Sun May 03, 2020 at 10:30:52 AM EST
    haven't had the chance to speak with any tRumpies, but I suspect there is more than a bit of "It's all fun and games until people are dying" going on. Especially among the elderly.

    However, I really have little faith that it will really stick, by November it will all be the fault of Biden, the Chinese and the Governors and tens of millions will believe it and the media will certainly both-sider it.


    They will (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 03, 2020 at 11:00:15 AM EST
    My brother doesn't really fit the Trumper profile with advanced education degrees.  But it's taking a toll.  And the thing is I think the wave of infections in places like this is just about to start.  And when it's over they are all going to know dead people.

    I really think so.  This "re-opening" - to be clear, I get it.  I understand that businesses are dying and it's really inevitable - is very awkwardly timed.

    People here have been pretty good about distancing and protection.  Because they are scared.  This whole re-opening thing is going to make them less scared.  So some - SOME many will not - but some will relax.

    The problem is the virus has not really been here.  Only in the last couple of weeks one of the counties my village is in got it's first case.  

    It's here now.

    Just when things are about to relax, it's here.  I think it might not end well.

    To your point, I really think Covid might cure Trump.


    If you go (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 03, 2020 at 12:07:28 PM EST
    by what has happened in GA after restrictions are lifted, the vast majority are not wearing masks and are crowding into restaurants. They are acting like the virus never happened or isn't a threat in the least. In a couple of weeks we will see how this works out. We're the guinea pigs for the nation.

    Sorry to hear this Is happening in your area Ga. (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by fishcamp on Sun May 03, 2020 at 02:54:48 PM EST
    With 31 states reopening partially next week the numbers can't possibly turn for the better.  Sorry to sound pessimistic.

    We're  still in good shape down here with only 80 cases for over 30,000 residents.  Luckily we are 125 miles long and since the roadblocks are still up through this month there are no crowds.  Without the gym I feel like I'm falling apart, working out at home just doesn't cut it either.  I do walk my cat down the street after dinner.  He loves it and hotfoots it along side me like a dog.  So that's the report from the fabulous Florida Keys.  Keep your heads down out there my friends.


    No gym (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by MKS on Sun May 03, 2020 at 05:14:28 PM EST
    That is really a pain.  And I think it could be months, maybe not before a vaccine, when they open again.

    Making do without--riding a mountain bike and push-ups?   Pretty weak tea......


    The Y is still closed here (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Zorba on Sun May 03, 2020 at 06:22:05 PM EST
    I would go there 4-5 times a week for my water exercise classes and swimming.  (And sitting in the jacuzzi afterwards as a reward.)
    With my arthritis, I can't do much on land (except chair yoga) and I miss the pool, which not only keeps my joints going but gives me aerobic exercise.
    Ah, well.

    When I worked (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 04, 2020 at 06:14:55 AM EST
    at a gym the most popular class they had was water aerobics. Most of the attendees were like you and had arthritis. So when the pool heater broke down classes had to be canceled.

    My orthopedic surgeon (none / 0) (#144)
    by Zorba on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:20:02 PM EST
    Told me years ago "I tell all my patients, get in the water."

    Y'know I'm not sure (none / 0) (#149)
    by smott on Tue May 05, 2020 at 03:40:21 PM EST
    I really think for the true Trump Cultists, they won't care that their own are dying. This is about their identity, and if they have to die for their tribe they will. In the same way a MAGA will absolutely not change their mind about 2nd amendment, even as their own family members fall dead to guns, MAGAs will die to support Trump.
    Because their white identity is all that matters to them.

    There's a great book about this by Jon Metzl called
    Dying of Whiteness.

    Check it out.

    But anyway, no I do not think that MAGAs dying will change any MAGA minds. This is about who they are.

    Much like Confederate soldiers would willingly fight and  die during the Civil War to preserve white supremacy, this is a battle larger than themselves.

    In many ways we're still fighting that same war.


    Authentic Trump tweet (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 03, 2020 at 02:53:18 PM EST
    No kidding

    Donald J. Trump
    Media posted by Donald J. Trump
    Thank you very much to our beautiful "boaters." I will never let you down!
    Twitter · 2 hours ago
    ....And then came a Plague, a great and powerful Plague, and the World was never to be the same again! But America rose from this death and destruction, always remembering its many lost souls, and the lost souls all over the World, and became greater than ever before!
    Twitter · 5 hours ago

    I would be (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by Zorba on Sun May 03, 2020 at 03:08:24 PM EST
    very, very surprised if he actually wrote that.

    Surely not Hootenanny (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 03, 2020 at 05:12:12 PM EST
    Or whatever her name is.  Probably Miller.  It has that Dr Evil quality.

    Kayleigh Macsomething, you mean? (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Zorba on Sun May 03, 2020 at 06:26:37 PM EST
    No, I think you're right- more likely Stephen "Goebbels" Miller.  It has that propaganda quality to it.

    Kent State 50th anniversary (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 04, 2020 at 08:36:31 AM EST
    Just a reminder that things have been bad before.

    Fifty years ago today, I was at home in bed (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Peter G on Mon May 04, 2020 at 10:34:37 AM EST
    having taken a medical leave from my junior year in college with a horrendous case of mononucleosis. Had been burning the candle at both ends, with being editor-in-chief of the college paper (which required two all-nighters a week), an antiwar activist, and trying to keep up as a philosophy major. Was just starting to feel better when Nixon again expanded The War with his bombing of Cambodia. Word of the shooting and killing of four kids my age by the Ohio National Guard forced me out of bed and back to campus, where we began organizing demonstrations and strikes with students all over the country. Ten days later, Jackson State. Yes, this was absolutely our 9/11.

    I was a senior in college (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Zorba on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:15:38 PM EST
    Also active in anti war protests.  We all thought at the time "That could have been us."  But it didn't stop our protests and marches.  We, too, held demonstrations and strikes.

    Kent State (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by BGinCA on Mon May 04, 2020 at 01:37:08 PM EST
    Please do not forget the black students murdered at Jackson State only 11 days later. Sadly, in the USA the killings of African-Americans are never considered to be quite the watershed event as killing white people.

    See my comment hours ago (none / 0) (#145)
    by Peter G on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:21:00 PM EST
    at #130.

    It (none / 0) (#128)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 04, 2020 at 09:17:20 AM EST
    was a time I remember oh so well. Once again there was a bit of "it's all fun and games until people start dying".

    Don't get me wrong the opposition to the war was serious and passionate, but we were young and it was springtime. The mass protests were exhilarating and at least partially celebratory, that day in May was a massive kick in the gut/reality check to say the least.

    It's still worse today, where everyday seems like a kick in the gut.


    That day (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 04, 2020 at 10:15:44 AM EST
    Is like 911 for our generation.

    But when things are so bad and seem so out of control its maybe good to remember that time.  It was kick after kick after kick to the gut.

    MLK, the Kennedys the democratic convention Kent State.

    The truth is we were as divided then as we are now.  And had a leader who was at least almost as dangerous in his own way.

    You might say the only big difference is the internet and FOX news.

    That's a big f'ing difference.  


    Big (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 04, 2020 at 12:24:44 PM EST
    f'ing difference indeed. The battle lines were much clearer back then, you were either for or against the war but everyone agreed on the basic facts about it.

    Now on some levels it's like what pandemic? Oh you mean the pandemic that no one could see coming? Or the pandemic which tRump has heroically defeated? And it's all Obama's and China's fault anyway so suck it up libtards.

    Say what you will about the hard hats yelling "our country love it or leave it" at least they were consistent.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 04, 2020 at 12:31:27 PM EST
    And understood what it meant to "lose Cronkite"

    Today Walter would be a member of the global kiddy p0rn ring.


    Tin soldiers (none / 0) (#131)
    by jmacWA on Mon May 04, 2020 at 10:42:02 AM EST
    It's not much of a stretch to see those protesting Michigan militia members in the role of the Tin Soldier, and tRump has eclipsed Nixon for me

    I never really meant (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 04, 2020 at 11:20:11 AM EST
    Trump was not way worse than Nixon.  He is.

    We should probably thank Crom that Trump is not as smart as Nixon was.


    Was going to say in spite of everything (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 04, 2020 at 11:56:59 AM EST
    it is a bit harder to imagine students or protesters being fired on with live ammo.  

    Then I realized it isn't over.  And at least then White Nationalists did not come to protests armed with assault weapons.

    I keep thinking beating Trump in the election is not the real problem. It's getting him out when he loses.  He won't leave willingly.

    That would be the most dangerous time in this country in a long long time.  And we are drowning in guns.

    I'll just leave it there cause I would rather not think about it right now.


    I have to agree with that assessment.. (none / 0) (#137)
    by desertswine on Mon May 04, 2020 at 01:28:53 PM EST
    "I keep thinking beating Trump in the election is not the real problem. It's getting him out when he loses."

    ..assuming, of course, that there actually is an election.  I think that at this point its becoming more and more problematic.    


    2016 was Mexican rapists. (none / 0) (#134)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 04, 2020 at 12:08:09 PM EST
    2020 the boogeyman is China. Just saw an ad on TV that China is "killing our jobs" and now "killing our people."

    The GOP is disgusting. They have nothing, absolutely nothing to run on. They only have fear of "the other." Fear and hate is not leadership. It is not governing.

    They have to go. The orange clown, Miss Lindsay, Moscow Mitch, the whole lot of them. This country cannot survive with these people in power.


    I have told (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 04, 2020 at 01:46:40 PM EST
    Turmpers whatever happened in China doesn't excuse Trump. He's the one that ignored the warnings and lied to us.

    I (none / 0) (#142)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:17:33 PM EST
    would also point out that tRump bought their lies, hook,line and sinker
    Jan. 24, Twitter:

    "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

    Whatever culpability you believe (none / 0) (#148)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 05, 2020 at 02:03:40 PM EST
    China has, the Chinese are NOT killing Americans.

    Yes (none / 0) (#150)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 05, 2020 at 05:40:21 PM EST
    I have told magats that regardless of what China did or did not do they are not in control of America. Trump is the one that is president.

    Now the magats are shopping a conspiracy theory that China deliberately sent a virus to kill off Americans. I guess they are too dumb to realize that that makes Trump come out even worse.


    Trump Records Cases (none / 0) (#140)
    by RickyJim on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:06:48 PM EST
    will be argued Tues, May 12 at the Supreme Court.  Transcript will be posted on the court website the same day with the audio available on Friday May 15. AFAIK, listening live to the phone sessions is not something we will be able to do soon.

    Why not listen? Supreme Court oral argument (none / 0) (#143)
    by Peter G on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:18:30 PM EST
    was broadcast live on CSPAN this morning.

    Thanks for the Update (none / 0) (#146)
    by RickyJim on Mon May 04, 2020 at 02:36:19 PM EST
    I checked the C SPAN schedule and they will be broadcasting tomorrow's arguments live.  For May 12 they only say, at present, they will be broadcasting "Public Affairs Events" starting at 10:00 AM EDT but I guess they will update that soon to say they will broadcast the SC oral cases.

    When you gotta go..... (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 06, 2020 at 07:56:47 PM EST
    The Supreme Court was making history Wednesday afternoon, holding arguments over the phone because of Covid-19, when all of a sudden there was the distinct sound of a toilet flushing," CNN reports.

    One less worry (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 11, 2020 at 01:03:49 PM EST
    In the watches of the night

    Sanders `Very Unlikely' to Run for President Again

    May 11, 2020 at 1:45 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 31 Comments

    Sen. Bernie Sanders told the Washington Post that he is "very, very unlikely" to run for president again in 2024.