Elizabeth Warren Drops Out

It's down to a two man race for the Democratic nomination -- Elizabeth Warren has suspended her campaign,

She didn't make an endorsement but said there's no rush to do so.

So after all the hub-bub with a diverse field of 20, we are down to two white almost-octogenarians. What a disappointment.

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    Invisible Women vs White Male Privilege would make (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by hilts on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 03:49:31 PM EST
    a good title for a book about the 2020 Presidential Election. From the start of this campaign, I was far more impressed by Warren, Klobuchar, Harris, and Gillibrand than by Biden and Sanders.  To me the 4 female senators were far smarter and more presidential than Biden or Sanders.

    Biden is easily the most inarticulate and incoherent presidential candidate out of the 25 or 26 Democrats who ran in this race. A female candidate as gaffe prone as Biden would never ever become the nominee. Biden is a gaffe gushering buffoon and a pathetic joke.

    Given Biden's age, I question his physical health and mental acuity. He looks and sounds horrible and struggles to string together 2 sentences. Uncle Joe needs to take a crash course in public speaking from Greta Thunberg.

    Can't see (1.00 / 1) (#75)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 06:55:11 AM EST
    Biden finishing out the primary campaign. The last week alone has been a embarrassment.
    Where does the DNC turn to next?
    Back to Bloomie? Which is why he never suspended his campaign, he knew the state of Biden's health

    Hilarious, but you ... (none / 0) (#81)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:36:21 AM EST
    ... do sound confident when you make ridiculous claims.  Care to make it interesting?  $1,000 says Biden finishes the primary.

    Have you seen (1.00 / 2) (#84)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:59:40 AM EST
    The video?
    Biden endorses Trump for re  election

    And that was in only 10 minutes

    How are they going to limit his public appearances,

    And why would you do that to someone, push them out on public display when they have no idea what they will say next.

    That is cruel


    BTW - "Biden endorses Trump" (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by Yman on Mon Mar 09, 2020 at 10:52:06 AM EST
    What kind of moronic simpletons are stupid enough to believe this kind of laughably fake lie?

    Oh ... never mind.


    The idiot Russian troll (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:33:55 AM EST
    Seems very worried



    Very worried (1.00 / 4) (#95)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:29:38 AM EST
    For the health and well being of Joe Biden.

    How can someone run him out there repeatedly

    Not knowing what the hell he will say or do

    1 day he is nibbling at his wifes finger on stage,
    Another day he is telling people to vote on Super Thursday
    Another he is telling people he is running for Senator
    Another the Declaration of Independence is that  that thing
    And then he endorses the candidacy of Donald Trump for re election.
    There are still 8 months till the election, how many more of these do you require?
    Anyone who has a senior relative go through this knows the signs,
    The mere fact that is openly discussed about a candidate for the most important 4 year job on the planet, is in itself shocking. This was the sole reason Bloomie got in the race to begin with, and also the reason he has not suspended his candidacy, he will go to the convention. He realizes that even the most diehard of Dem voters will realize the failing health of the presumptive candidate by then. Biden does not get better, and you cannot hide him from the public for 8 months.


    Good to know (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:33:44 AM EST
    You now answer to "Idiot Russian Troll"



    He also answers to (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 12:23:23 PM EST
    Lying dog-faced pony soldier who speak with forked tongue.

    Lol (1.00 / 2) (#105)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 12:37:33 PM EST
    So you agree, the DNC is once again protecting their anointed one,
    Protecting Ole Joe from a real debate.

    It didn't go over well with the voters in 2016, alienating enough

    A second campaign would create a real rift that may not be repaired..

    Who steps in...Bloomie?
    Or fall back to Kloubachar or Mayor Pete?
    Or bring Madame Secretary back?


    And it Begins (1.00 / 2) (#97)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:50:51 AM EST
    The DNC is worried
    Change the debate rules once again, take Tulsi off the stage, (she can deliver some powerful haymakers)
    And lets change the whole format of the debate while we are at it
    Gotta protect The Joe  (Not a good look)


    "Why does Joe Biden not want to stand toe-to-toe with Sen. Sanders on the debate stage March 15 and have an opportunity to defend his record and articulate his vision for the future?" asked Jeff Weaver, Sanders' senior adviser.

    Biden's campaign and the DNC said the format for the debate was decided by the party and CNN. The news network declined to comment and referred questions to the DNC.


    LOL (none / 0) (#108)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 12:46:28 PM EST
    The bot does not know how to answer a real question or even perceive the critique....

    Its the DEEP STATE (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 01:27:45 PM EST
    Sanders Says Buttigieg, Klobuchar Pressured Out

    March 8, 2020 at 9:43 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 819 Comments

    Sen. Bernie Sanders told NBC News that if Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar didn't drop out, he would have won Maine, Minnesota and Massachusetts on Super Tuesday.

    Said Sanders: "The establishment put a great deal of pressure on Pete Buttigieg, on Amy Klobuchar who ran really aggressive campaigns. Well, I know both of them. They work really, really hard. But suddenly right before Super Tuesday they announced their withdrawal."

    He added: "If they had not withdrawn from the race before Super Tuesday, which is kind of a surprise to a lot of people, I suspect we would have won in Minnesota, we would have won in Maine, we would have won in Massachusetts. The turnout may have been a little bit different."

    It's true.  The organized campaign to get behind Biden is not what democrats do.  Usually.

    Why it's almost like they are acting like, I don't know...a political party

    With shared goals.  It can't be that.


    Bottom line (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by smott on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 12:08:09 PM EST
    Sanders and Biden are both enormously risky.
    Sanders will be a drag on downstream Dems ( witness his Castro stupidity.) We'd never win the Senate and the House would be at risk. And I don't see an electoral path for Bernie to 270. He's not getting FL, PA, OH....maybe MI? He'd have to get AZ....?

    Biden will have coattails (no accident that Bullock decided to get into the Montana race after Biden took over) BUT
    I really think Biden's mental frailty will be on full display now and could be hugely damaging. Trump and Sanders will hammer it.
    The TYT jag offs are already rolling  out the Biden-Dementia theme.

    Beyond ridiculous choices like Williamson or Gabbard, Sanders/Biden were at the bottom of my list. Oh well.

    It should be simple enough (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 01:01:01 PM EST
    to counter with an orange jesus-Dementia theme. Plenty of video available of stupid stuff he has said. They should be running that stuff in wall to wall adverts on the tubes.

    Biden's shortcomings related to age (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:04:48 PM EST
    Would be a lot more of a problem if his primary opponent was not even more rickety than he is and his general election opponent was not straight up bat shi+ looney demented and getting visibly worse.

    They become less of a problem in those cases.


    Well Newsweek has it that (none / 0) (#66)
    by smott on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:57:09 PM EST
    The Sanders campaign has talking points out going hard at Biden/dementia/cognitive issues.
    So while I agree that Trump is likely worse, it's Sanders that Biden has to get past first.

    Pot calling (none / 0) (#112)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 02:51:43 PM EST
    the kettle.beige. Don't see health as a viable debate.  Bernie may claim to be as sharp as a tack but that loses steam if he is flat on his back. And, either Bernie or Biden would be competing against Trump's decrepitude.

    According to Average Poll in Each of Those States (none / 0) (#70)
    by RickyJim on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 08:41:27 PM EST
    Source: Real Clear Politics
    Florida - no polls for Trump versus Sanders
    Pennsylvania - Sanders 48% - Trump 45%
    Ohio - Sanders 49% - Trump 46.5%
    Minnesota - Sanders 49% - Trump 40%
    Arizona - Sanders 40% - Trump 47% (However the only recent Arizona poll made on 3/2 and 3/3 had Trump 47% - Sanders 46%).

    Sanders (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by smott on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:10:11 AM EST
    Is completely unvetted. These polls are meaningless. Run them again after the oppo hits.

    What shocks me most (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 02:40:16 AM EST
    is how few of the high profile regular posters here have much good to say about Biden.

    Lots of nice things to say about Warren in this thread and Klobuchar gets some love as well.  In previous threads it seems like Sanders got (and still gets) the most bashing with Biden sorta being ignored as a wall flower.

    Also get a kick out of a few posts about how Biden did this on his own.  He was basically the default fallback when Sanders seemed to be positioned to run away with things.

    Hard to think of a more lackluster candidate than Biden.  It will be interesting to see what his sell by date is; and if it has already passed.

    Biden didn't do this (none / 0) (#85)
    by smott on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:01:28 AM EST
    Almost everything that happened was external to Biden.
    He won states he didn't have a field office in.

    Dem Panic over Sanders' difficult electoral path and drag on House and Senate races did this.

    Bernie got shellacked by a campaign that barely existed.
    Which says a lot about the strength of Not Bernie sentiment.


    The reason (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 10:40:42 AM EST
    It "shocks you" is because you usually, apparently, hang out in right wing echo chambers where you pick a side and then cheerlead for it no matter what questions and possible problems there might be.  Your job is to rationalize it and attempt to provide the Trevors of the world with talking points for when the questions and problems are noticed by others.

    You should get out more.  It's actually very very common on the left.


    Capt (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 04:10:28 PM EST
    are you disputing that the regulars here all picked someone else than Biden as their first choice?

    I hang out here, and lots of other sites, to get a feel for a wide range of views.  I can't think of any site where Biden is viewed as anything else but a second choice candidate that benefited from the work of others.

    I have little doubt than if the previous leader was anyone else but Sanders then Biden would be way back in the pack.


    Warren kills (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:17:55 AM EST
    only funny to traitors (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 03:00:12 PM EST
    It's weird (4.86 / 7) (#1)
    by CST on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 01:30:05 PM EST
    I was genuinely shocked when Hillary lost and I didn't see that coming.

    This one I saw coming before she even got in the race.  I wasn't even expecting her to be my first choice but as the race went on she earned it.  I never thought she'd actually win, and she didn't. And somehow, it still really sucks.

    My grandmother is almost 100.  She drove people to the polls for Hillary in NH in 2008 and she has wanted a female president her whole life.  Now I wonder if I'm even going to see one, she almost certainly wont.  

    Maybe this year was a fluke, but there were 4 women Senators with high profiles to start and somehow they all got completely shoved aside as if they were always a side show.  Harris and Warren came the closest to changing that narrative and in some ways paid the biggest price as a result.

    America is not, and has never been, a meritocracy.

    She came close to being ... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:19:16 PM EST
    my candidate.

    But when she was unable to deal with the incoming, after she gained front runner status, she lost me.

    You have to be able to take hits, and come back, if you're going to be a successful presidential candidate.

    But she's an amazing person. And I don't think her story is over.  By any means.


    Yes and no (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by CST on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:30:31 PM EST
    Biden sure doesn't meet that bar.  Everyone around him had to meet it for him.

    But here we are.

    Not saying she was perfect, no one is.  But imperfection is excused for some people and not for others.


    Your last (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:56:16 PM EST
    sentence is something I have a serious problem with. It is true that some are allowed to be imperfect while others have to be perfect.

    Of course Biden met that bar ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:12:40 PM EST
    and you're living in a fantasy world if you think he didn't.

    Biden has his share of flaws. Probably more than his share. But no one can deny his comeback abilities.  Not now.


    I absolutely can deny (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:21:33 PM EST
    That his comeback had anything to do with his "abilities".

    Clyburn, Amy and Pete (and probably Obama) did it for him.


    That sounds like some prejudice ... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:30:02 PM EST
    you have.  You should look into that.

    Because, of course, it relates to his abilities, his appeal, his resume, his hard work, etc..

    There were 23 other people who couldn't do it, including Senator Warren.

    I cannot imagine how you people could see it as such an arbitrary occurrence. It's some strange blindspot or delusion.

    Even the press, who are no fans of Biden, don't go this far.


    Oh I am (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by CST on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:32:59 PM EST
    100% prejudiced against Joe Biden but I don't think it needs any looking into.  He earned it.

    Thanks for the advice though.  I don't think it's arbitrary at all.  I think it was very well done by the people around him.


    So, first we had CDS ... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 05:37:08 PM EST
    Clinton Delusion Syndrome, then we had HCDS, Hillary Clinton Delusion Syndrome ...

    So, I guess the next few years we'll be treating people for BDS, Biden Delusion Syndrome.


    I believe you are over reacting (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 05:48:08 PM EST
    To simple attempts to be clear eyed in our assessment of Biden.

    My own view is he is a well meaning doofus.  Not a bad person in any way, unlike some others here, just kind of a doofus.

    He has run for President, what, 3 times?  And never won a single primary until the end of February.

    That to me suggests something at work this cycle besides Bides charisma.

    This is him today

    here is BIDEN on his wife stopping protesters from rushing the stage: "I'm probably the only candidate running for president whose wife is my Secret Service. Whoa, you don't screw around with a Philly girl, I'll tell you what. ... I thought I heard on the news on the way over that that the committee in charge of Secret Service decided they have to start providing Secret Service for us. I think that's because they're afraid Jill's going to hurt someone. I tell you what, man, I married way above my station."

    Let's have neither BDS nor pedestals.  Both are unwise.


    No one has to like Joe Biden ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 05:55:11 PM EST
    but the notion that he had nothing to do with his recent victories is patently absurd and delusional.

    I have always liked Joe Biden (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:48:10 PM EST
    The issue was whether he was better than the other candidates.  I did not think so, but now that it is just him and Bernie, I am onboard with Biden.

    I agree with the emerging consensus that he has a good heart, and we know him, and his verbal gaffes come not from a place of hatred or stupidity.

    And, his policy ideas have been ahead of the curve on a couple of occasions.  Some time ago, while the war in Iraq raged under W, Biden's idea was to allow Iraq to fall into three separate provinces under local control by the Sunnis, Shia and Kurds respectively.    An idea that would have saved a lot of lives.

    And, at roughly the same time, Biden was advocating a severe draw down of troops in Afghanistan.  He wanted to abandon the idea of the U.S. trying to control the entire country, or rebuild it in our own image.  He would have left Special Forces or their equivalent in-country or close by to strike at terrorist camps when detected.  No ongoing war against the Taliban over control of the whole country.

    In some ways, Biden was less hawkish than Obama.

    And Biden was ahead of Obama on marriage equality.

    Biden is better than he is given credit for.


    I agree mostly (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:56:38 PM EST
    Beyond his age he sometimes comes off like he is from another era.  A bygone age.

    The thing is I think that might be pretty attractive to a lot of people right now


    That said (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:59:39 PM EST
    His resurrection really surprised me.  I thought it was over.  

    Yep (none / 0) (#64)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:44:21 PM EST
    Agreed, (none / 0) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:55:21 PM EST
    in greatest measure.  My expectation is that as president, he will work for his place in history by taking the country in a progressive direction, adopting a number of Senator Warren's plans.  However, I am not expecting that to occur to any great extent in the campaign.  He is the beat Trump and return to normalcy candidate.

    The last part (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 06:03:21 PM EST
    Usually looking back is not a winning strategy but I think the fact he literally kind of represents going back to the sanity of the Obama years is maybe the single biggest reason for his surge.  Particularly with black voters

    In politics (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 06:04:06 PM EST
    Like everything else timing is everything.

    Maybe this guy explains it better than me (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 07:20:40 PM EST
    Sanders and Trump Stare into Their Graves

    Biden summoned high turnout from precisely the diverse constituencies of African Americans, suburbanites, working-class and older voters that another aging pol more at home with coalition politics than movement politics--House Speaker Nancy Pelosi--marshalled to retake the House in 2018.


    For the general election, the implications of Tuesday are equally urgent for Trump. Voter turnout in the primaries was up from 2016 in almost every state--in Virginia, for instance, turnout increased by more than two-thirds. The overwhelming evidence is that it is Trump, not any Democrat, who is stimulating this surge. Increased energy on the Democratic side, in the likely event this holds through the fall, means Trump must also stimulate new voters or it is shovel time for him, too.


    There's nothing mystical about these migratory patterns. It reflects that majority power in the Democratic Party resides in familiar places among familiar constituencies whose habits and allegiances stretch back decades. What was notable on Super Tuesday was the suddenness and velocity with which this customary migration took place, as well as how it benefited even a candidate whose political infirmities for most of the past year have been on such glaring display.

    More John Harris (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 01:01:12 PM EST
    2020 Becomes the Dementia Campaign

    March 7, 2020 at 8:16 am EST By Taegan Goddard 249 Comments

    John Harris: "Now that the 77-year-old Biden is the Democratic frontrunner over the 78-year-old Bernie Sanders to take on the 73-year-old Trump, questions about age-related infirmity are taking on a new volume and centrality."

    "The debate reflects the raucous, attack-oriented character of modern political culture. Genuine concerns about the capacities of people who want the world's most powerful job mingle bizarrely with insults, jokes, and self-confident pronouncements from people with no evident qualifications to be speculating publicly about other people's neurological health."

    "Trump himself -- seemingly indifferent to the glass-houses maxim -- in recent days has upped the ante in what is becoming the senility sweepstakes."

    Donald Trump is the (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 03:47:32 PM EST
    oldest person elected president and will be 74 years old in three months. Joe Biden is 77, and will be 78 in November; Bernie is 78 and will be 79 in September.

    The American people will have elected in 2020 a president who, according to tables, will have a life expectancy of ll.8 years (Trump), 9.5 years (Biden) and 8.8 years (Bernie). Not taking into account individualized risks.

    All three, Trump, Bernie and Biden, have in common, the potential effects (good and bad) of the aging process. Senility is not an endearing term, but it is, in reality--- aging.  Normal aging, that may manifest as either or both physical (e.g. joint issues, posture, skin wrinkles) or cognitive(forgetful, stumbling for a word) functions.

    Dementia is different. It is severe mental decline, with serious effects from damaged brain cells.  It is not a normal expectation of aging. There are a number of causes of dementia, such as brain injury/sport injuries and late stage Parkinson's. However, Alzheimer's Disease comprises the bulk of dementia cases, at least 60 percent.

    With aging, the question may be "where are my car keys?," in dementia, it may be "what is a car key?"

    Most sentient Americans have observed Trump's senility--- both physical and cognitive, over the course of his first term, although many Republicans chose to ignore it or consider it part of his charm. And, too, there are his non-age-related issues, such as a likely narcissistic personality disorder. A disorder that seems to effect his presidency.

    Bernie, of course, had a recent cardiac episode, but cognitive issues are not apparent.  He does stick to a tried and true agenda which probably works for him in several ways.

    Biden does show aging, normal physical aging and some forgetfulness and word searching, which are not new for long-term observers of the former vice president, although such characteristics may have been subject to the aging process.

    This is the state of affairs, with either Biden or Sanders the country gets aging, but, would also get sane governance and decency. Aging is part of being in the 70s. It is only one part of an individual and but one part, and not necessarily a worrisome part, of a presidential candidate and president. The candidates ages are a part of their record.


    Well he's the first (none / 0) (#33)
    by smott on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 07:53:01 AM EST
    Candidate to win states in which he never set foot to ca,Paige, not spent a dime.
    The Biden wave had many elements, but a huge one was Dem Fear.

    If (none / 0) (#79)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:06:28 AM EST
    Buttegieg and Kloubachar did not leave the race and endorse Biden prior to Super Tuesday,
    The Bern walks off with the majority of delegates that day.
    DNC placed their thumb on the scale once again.

    Stock up on tinfoil (none / 0) (#82)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:40:01 AM EST
    Are people really stupid enough to believe these baseless, trolling, conspiracy theories?  Outside of Trumper/Bernie circles, I mean.

    Actually (1.00 / 2) (#86)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:02:04 AM EST
    There have been numerous analysis of just that.

    They would have reduced the delegates going to Biden, while not changing The Berns haul at all.

    Simple math, like the MSNBC crew that aired the piece, Bloomie should have just given everyone $1 million


    "Biden Delusion Syndrome" (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Erehwon on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 07:36:22 PM EST

    Is that what you call Biden's delusion that he was arrested in South Africa for visiting Mandela? Perfect!



    Can't see (none / 0) (#78)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:04:16 AM EST
    Biden making to the convention in the race.
    His public appearances are embarrassing.
    Sucking on his wifes finger on stage,
    Declaration of independence's now that thing,
    Super Tuesday or Super Thursday?
    Running for Senator
    And now endorsing Trump for President.

    These are no longer "gaffes"


    Every candidate (1.00 / 1) (#77)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 06:59:12 AM EST
    That made it to frontrunner status, wilted under the scrutiny.
    Biden early,
    Warren had her turn
    The Bern his
    And Bloomie has been dissected.

    Not so fast (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by MKS on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:18:24 PM EST
    Biden's VP pick if he is the nominee is likely to be a woman.  

    Since Biden will be the oldest elected President, the VP could well end up President.  Not as satisfying as winning as President outright, but still.....


    True, but CSTs grandmother (5.00 / 7) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 12:58:02 PM EST
    May not see a woman President. And she surely deserves that.

    It has been difficult observing 4 capable competent women be ignored and I'm down to Sanders and Biden. To put it bluntly it is bull$h*t. But here we are and it is what it is.


    Probably small consolation (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 02:40:40 PM EST
    But the question of whether the country would elect a woman has technically been answered.

    Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump.


    So it is the 2016 PTSD thing (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 03:14:00 PM EST
    That it seems many Dem voters are suffering from?

    It is an unfortunate thing (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 03:27:19 PM EST
    That in the cycle when democrats had so many good candidates that were not old straight white men that the cold political realities made almost everyone afraid to take the leap of faith of the kind that was needed to launch someone like Obama.

    That the sad truth we face is this is our broken system and we simple have to do what we can which right now seems to mean trusting and old white man to beat an old white man.

    Because it's the safe choice.

    I wish I was more certain it is.


    Who knows? (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 10:32:28 AM EST
    I contributed $ to Amy and she seemed clearly the most qualified to me.

    But what do I know?


    I initially liked Kamala (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 02:31:16 PM EST
    My husband was always a Klobacher supporter.

    At this point, whoever replaces Trump, whatever I have to do to replace Trump. I know I am not alone in this either. I know probably half the commenters here are prepared to do just about anything to get rid of Trump. Scrub toilets, whatever it takes. Every day he is in office is catastrophic.


    One of them, I think (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:22:42 PM EST
    would be Biden's VP pick.  

    I was okay with Kamala.  Amy was just so lights out smart imo.


    I did not care for Amy in the beginning (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:18:40 PM EST
    The stories about her being an abusive boss did have an impact on my opinion. My husband waved that aside LOL.

    When I saw her in the last debates though I realized that she was assertive, she quickly weeds through an issue and finds the key elements that must be addressed first, and she isn't afraid in the least stating her findings. She took silly bickering on stage in hand and matter-a-factly lined showboaters and the dramatic out deftly. I was wonderfully astonished. She'd make an amazing President. So gifted.  


    I was with your husband (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:42:40 PM EST
    on the abusive boss issue.  My initial concern was Amy was too much Minnesota nice.  

    Our Peter here said she had the reputation for being not nice, and I was totally onboard.  Gotta step on some toes with the stilettos and throw a few elbows to be the big boss.


    I had one goofy wildly abusive (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 07:53:14 PM EST
    Female boss in my work past, so I was susceptible to the rumor. But I can be around and work with and for extremely assertive people if they tame the ego. I thought Amy's ego was very tamed and contained while she was taking care of difficult business.

    But I'm always susceptible to abusive boss rumors, because I had one once.


    Money Well Spent (none / 0) (#44)
    by RickyJim on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 11:20:37 AM EST
    Her campaign put her to be in a good position to be nominated as VP regardless of whether Biden or Sanders gets the presidential slot.

    Probably (none / 0) (#76)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 06:56:57 AM EST
    The best bet to take on The Donald.

    Probably not the person to ask (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 03:19:01 PM EST
    But it feels similar.  

    did you see Rachel's interview (none / 0) (#40)
    by leap on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 04:32:45 PM EST
    with SenProf Warren? Made me cry.

    I didn't (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:43:32 AM EST
    But I will watch it now.

    This is a much better link (none / 0) (#71)
    by leap on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 09:59:10 PM EST
    Runs the whole interview without those annoying little pauses. It's about 27 minutes long.

    Watch what we're losing.


    I have no doubt that Warren (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 06:03:29 PM EST
    would have been a better president than either Biden or Sanders.

    Hugs (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:08:06 PM EST
    to you. I know she was your candidate.

    My dad wanted to see an Italian president. (none / 0) (#9)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 03:24:52 PM EST
    My mom got to see her Irish Catholic president.

    We'll probably never see a "poor" president.

    [Factoid: "Harry S. Truman (Pres. 1945-1953) was the poorest president, with a net worth considerably less than $1 million. The presidential pension was created in 1958, when former president Harry Truman was experiencing financial trouble.[12] His financial state contributed to the doubling of the presidential salary to $100,000 in 1949.[13] Harry S. and Bess Truman received the first Medicare Cards in 1966 via the Social Security Act of 1965.[14]"]


    Speaking of Truman... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 03:43:24 PM EST
    Nevertheless, Truman refused to cash in on his celebrity and influence as a former president. He turned down lucrative offers, such as the one from a Florida real-estate developer inviting him to become "chairman, officer, or stockholder, at a figure of not less than $100,000." He would not make commercial endorsements, accept "consulting" fees, or engage in lobbying.

    "I could never lend myself to any transaction, however respectable," Truman later wrote, "that would commercialize on the prestige and dignity of the office of the presidency." He did sell the rights to his memoirs for a handsome sum to Life magazine. But he turned down every other enticement to trade on his former position for private gain.


    Imagine that.


    The story of (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 11:36:02 AM EST
    Truman's first trip back to DC and on to NYC as former President was an interesting read (Truman,  a biography by David  McCullough).  Harry and Bess got in their new 1953 Chrysler New Yorker and motored East stopping at familiar diners along the way and staying at the Paradise Motel in Decatur, Il.  

    No Secret Service at the time (not provided until after JFK) and no presidential pension so they watched their pennies.  After DC on to NYC to see their daughter Margaret, take in two Broadway plays and enjoy the city as tourists.  On the way back Harry got pulled over on the Penn. Turnpike by a state trooper, but was let off with a warning after Bess promised to keep an eye on him.  The way back home to Independence was an uneventful part of their road trip adventure.


    Right? (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:02:19 PM EST
    A matter of principle.

    Italian American of course (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 03:29:25 PM EST
    I'm aiming low (none / 0) (#13)
    by CST on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 03:47:22 PM EST
    I figured 50% of the population is not a high bar.

    But now that you mention it, an athiest half-jew with nazi ancestors has never been president either.


    You forgot to mention engineer. (none / 0) (#15)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:00:58 PM EST
    That one has been done (none / 0) (#17)
    by CST on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:02:25 PM EST
    Herbert Hoover was kind of one.  Ugh.

    Huh. TIL. (none / 0) (#18)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 04:06:47 PM EST

    He was (none / 0) (#49)
    by Zorba on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 03:10:51 PM EST
    A mining engineer.

    He was actually ridiculed in the press ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 05:40:54 PM EST
    because the he didn't own the house he lived in.  It was his wife's house.

    Warren's problem (3.67 / 3) (#6)
    by ragebot on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:37:53 PM EST
    was similar to many of the dems who dropped out; she seemed too fake.  There were too many stories she held onto even after they proved to be self serving at best and outright lies at best.

    Here Native American claim was always questionable at best yet she kept pushing.  Her claim of being fired for being pregnant was debunked yet she never really quit pushing it.  There were documents proving she got some advantage by claiming to be a Native American even after she denied it.

    Thing is that for some candidates it seems in character to shade the truth but not for Warren.  Also not sure about her comments to Sanders after the debate.  To me that was the telling moment of her bad judgement.  It really does not matter if her claim that Sanders said a woman could not beat trump or not.  It was not right to continue to say it after the debate was over once it had been raised in the debate.

    It seems clear she holds a grudge against Sanders; not to mention her positions seem to be a rehash of what Sanders has been pushing for a long time.  By not endorsing Sanders she also loses a lot of street cred with those progressives who support her.  By not endorsing the only candidate with positions similar to her it is clear she still wants to hurt Sanders.  Not sure what that means for her future but I doubt it will help.

    The primary process is flawed (none / 0) (#5)
    by Steve13209 on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:37:03 PM EST
    if after a year, the two last candidates (sorry Tulsi) are these two old white men. Neither of those two give me much hope for a win. They both have such big downsides and Dems don't tend to unify very well. It can happen, but Trump and the media have so much stuff to go after, it will be a nightmare. I don't think the DNC would allow a contested nomination to pick someone besides those two, but I can dream that EW becomes a consensus candidate.

    Until then I am hoping that Bloomberg continues to run ads against Trump (the election should be about removing Trump) and perhaps EW will continue to talk about policies that make sense...now without other candidates picking them apart for political reasons. Can EW play a unity role while the two old guys keep campaigning?

    Sorry for the rant, but trying to stay positive in my own way.

    Don't count Tulsi out just yet. (1.80 / 5) (#51)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:11:37 PM EST
    Biden's performance was in large part due to the voters feeling a socialist against Trump is a sure loser. They may come to the same conclusion about a guy soon to be living in a memory care facility.

    This is trolling (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:20:50 PM EST
     A simple sound bite slam without discussion.

    You do this at least once a day.  If I were J, I would ban you.


    I picture you (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:27:41 PM EST
    high fiving yourself and then running away to giggle at what you (think) you have accomplished.

    You add nothing to the discussion except disruption--which appears to be the point.  

    You have repeated in one sentence fashion the Biden memory allegation every day now I think for at least the last week.  Without support or discussion.

    You must really fear him.  Doing your good soldier routine to try and taint the well here against Biden?  Sorry little dude, we are adults here, as are those voting in the Democratic Primary.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#80)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:11:55 AM EST
    But Bidens mental decline, possible dementia, is all over Twitter. By both sides of the aisle, left and right.

    "All over Twitter"!!! (none / 0) (#83)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 07:42:57 AM EST
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ....

    The saddest part of that is that you weren't joking!  You actually get your "facts" from Trumpers/Berners on the Twitter!


    Exactly (1.00 / 3) (#87)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:04:03 AM EST
    I am not joking

    Journalists on the left  also recognize that Biden has passed his expiration date

    The Obama knew this was coming, before the campaign he told Biden aides, do not let him embarrass himself.

    He knew what was coming


    You are (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:45:15 AM EST

    You just don't get it


    Few care (none / 0) (#103)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 11:57:32 AM EST
    and few will care in the General Election.

    Seriously? (1.00 / 2) (#106)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 12:41:02 PM EST
    Those are just clips from the last several weeks, there are months to go...

    And yes, people will care. Joe is losing his faculties, and that will turn many off from voting  for him. They know he will not be up to the job, nominate someone who will actually be the President.


    Your predictions (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 12:44:58 PM EST
    have all failed.  

    You have been for months pushing the Russian propaganda about Ukraine interference in the 2016 election and that some dramatic bombshell was imminent.

    But, nope, did not happen.

    You are full of sh*t and should be banned imo.


    You must (1.00 / 4) (#111)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 01:48:12 PM EST
    Have me confused with the other Russian. I have been pretty clear that Durham will prove the Special Counsel was a fraud and never have been created. FOIA requests have already proven that the FBI knew there was no collusion in Jan 2017, Mueller interviewed witnesses to the "Trump Tower meeting" and also found that was nothing to do about Hillary, e mails, just adoption policies.

    They should have closed up shop immediately, but their goal was to hamstring the Administration, which they did to a degree.

    You cannot see the truth when it is right in front of you, Biden will inspire not 1 voter , no one will have confidence after watching him. I seriously doubt the DNC will have him as their candidate, his family will throw in the towel before too long


    Beast (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 06:28:42 PM EST
    Russian Media Freak Over Joe Biden's Election Resurrection

    With notable irritation, Vzglyad griped about Joe Biden's state primary victories in North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Alabama, claiming that the pro-Biden votes in rural states were secured by "rednecks, who shoot skunks for fun, bowl, beat their wives and associate the word `socialist' with the communist threat."

    Russian propagandists echoed that anticipation. Appearing on Rossiya 24, analyst Dmitry Drobnitsky predicted that in the event Sanders does not receive a nomination, street protests and violence will follow: "There will be unrest in Milwaukee... There will be a repeat of the 1968 Democratic Convention [riots] in Chicago."

    Russian politician Sergey Stankevich asked Soloviev: "Have you heard the latest news? Senator Ron Johnson demanded and stepped out with an initiative to go to court in order to obtain a dossier on Hunter Biden."

    I do bowl but I have never shot a skunk or beat my wife.


    Republicans have set the bar (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 04:34:06 PM EST
    so low, the way under leads through a sewer.

    That said, it bears repeating that the creation of the Declaration of something or other was one of the shining moments in British history.


    It surprises me to hear ... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 07:50:12 PM EST
    They may come to the same conclusion about a guy soon to be living in a memory care facility.

    ... you say that.  I always figured you were a Trump supporter.


    LOL! Be quiet and quit trolling. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 11:55:18 PM EST
    You don't even know Tulsi Gabbard, whereas I've known her personally for nearly two decades, back when she was known as Tulsi Tamayo and rode Daddy Mike Gabbard's coattails to a State House seat (which she promptly lost in the next election). She's my congresswoman, and she's got serious character flaws -- which is likely why you're attracted to her, given your affinity for the Blond Creamsicle.

    So so so flawed... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 03:37:16 PM EST
    Primary process, election process, god damn electoral college, the two party system.  

    Monumental task to fix and update all that for the 21st century...never mind the monumental economic & social problems that have be fixed via elected representation.  Pass the bottle, twist the cap.


    Would You Add US Senate to that List? (none / 0) (#30)
    by RickyJim on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 06:24:44 PM EST
    Unfortunately article 5 of the constitution forbids fixing the way it is constituted through the amendment process.  I'd be all for a Constitutional Convention to write a new one for the 21st century.  

    P Wire (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 05, 2020 at 02:49:01 PM EST
    Extra Bonus Quote of the Day

    March 5, 2020 at 12:49 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 209 Comments

    "One of the hardest parts of this is... all those little girls who are going to have to wait four more years. That's gonna be hard."

    -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren, announcing she is suspending her presidential campaign.

    "I'm Gonna Get Me a Beer" (none / 0) (#34)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 11:56:26 AM EST
    The most memorable line of her campaign.

    I thought (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 06, 2020 at 07:27:49 PM EST
    the most memorable line was "grab 'em by the p*ssy."  Oh wait, that was your guy.  

    Got this from my (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:18:23 PM EST
    Cousin/friend in CA.  She is female FYI.

    After all the exciting candidates running for president we end up with two old white guys.  It really is disappointing but maybe that is what it takes to get rid of Trump.  I think most people were too focused (I was) in the end to get rid of Trump that we just decided the best, safest choice was an old white guy.

    P.S.  I was surprised too by how much misogamy there still is.  I heard women complain about Warren being "bitchy".  I thought she was smart, positive thinking with a smiling likable personality.  She is a fighter.  She would get things done.  To call her  "bitchy"  was completely misogynistic to me.  First of all the word is nasty.  I can understand that they might not have agreed to all of her proposals but to call her a name.  Women too.  Ugh.

    Definitely sexism (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 07, 2020 at 05:39:37 PM EST
    involved.  Schoolmarm, scold.  Of course we never believed the line about Hillary--- I would vote for a woman for president, just not that woman.  

    I feel confident that Biden will have a woman as a running mate.


    Your cousin is right, unfortunately. (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 12:13:13 AM EST
    Elizabeth Warren had the audacity to be a well-credentialed and self-made woman who was far more knowledgeable and accomplished than most of the men who were her opponents. But then, when a male politician says, "I believe in us," he's lauded as authentic and empathetic. When a female politician says it, she's dismissed as a self-righteous b*tch.

    Misogyny is the primary socio-political enforcement tool wielded by those who are devoted to the perpetuation of the patriarchal status quo. It rewards those who uphold the existing order and punishes those who fight against it. And sadly, an inexplicably large number of those who are devoted to the American patriarchy are also female.



    Kamala (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 08:48:39 AM EST
    Has endorsed Uncle Joe.  Thanks but gee, might you have done that before CA?

    I've heard this a couple of times (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:01:04 AM EST
    And I just heard it again.  
    The idea is 2024 will see a woman president almost for sure  because Biden's VP will run, Biden not seeking a second term, and Niki Haley will be the Republican pick.

    Is it to early to start talking about 2024?

    (Rhetorical question)


    Waiting (none / 0) (#94)
    by smott on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:23:36 AM EST
    On other women to drop out is my guess

    Pretty sure (none / 0) (#100)
    by CST on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    She said she was waiting for Amy and Warren to exit.

    I doubt Joe was her first choice.   Just the last one left.  Like he is for a lot of people.


    As you probably are aware, Harris was behind (none / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 03:29:47 PM EST
    in CA b/4 she suspended her campaign.

    I am (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 04:00:02 PM EST
    It occurred to me, why endorse before Warren gets out.  More so if it might not matter that much.  

    Also thought she might have been asked to do it before she had planned because of the Jackson endorsement which has been expected for a bit.

    Just guessing


    Since You All Love to Speculate (none / 0) (#98)
    by RickyJim on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 10:36:33 AM EST
    Suppose there was a single primary day in June say so that nobody would be forced out early due to a poor showing in a few states.  Would the campaign start later, March perhaps?  Suppose the initial 15 or so Democrats in this year's race were on the ballot in June, who would the top 5 in the primary be?  How could something like this be adopted to replace the current idiocy?

    I would do it a bit differently (none / 0) (#101)
    by smott on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 11:29:08 AM EST
    Than a Big Bang.
    Perhaps 10 primaries a couple weeks apart.
    5 states each.
    Group them sensibly so that they represent the Dem demographic, and also geographically such that candidate travel is easier.
    Determine order by lottery.
    No caucuses.

    It's not rocket surgery.
    Unfortunately we have Tom Perez.


    Biden has a new campaign slogan (none / 0) (#110)
    by hilts on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 01:46:37 PM EST
    Biden 20?? You Know the Thing

    Must be the embarrassment (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 08, 2020 at 09:43:55 PM EST
    Just a few weeks ago you were claiming Biden's campaign was dead.  Now it's some kind of attempt at juvenile "jokes".

    Don't look now, but your desperation is showing.