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Sanders and Biden Debate Tonight

I'm not sure what the point is of tonight's "debate" given the modifications and that everyone believes Biden has this sewn up.

Calls for Bernie to suspend his campaign are premature. He's helping Democrats by staying in. He obviously knows the math as well as anyone. And that despite his army of followers, they aren't turning out to vote. That will be a problem for Democrats in November.

By staying in, Bernie can try to keep his fans energized and encourage them to turn out and vote. [More...]

If I were one of Bernie's supporters, I would lose interest and fade away. There is just nothing Joe Biden brings to any table I sit at. I think the argument that Joe Biden is more likely to beat Trump than Bernie is not only incorrect but the wrong way to approach the election.

This election is not about the Dems, it's a referendum on Donald Trump. He either wins with support from his uner-informed marginalized base and independents, or he doesn't. Who the Democrats run against him is largely beside the point. If voters want to dump Trump they will, in which case if the Democrats nominated Bad Bunny, Bad Bunny would be elected. (No offense meant to Bad Bunny who I think is great).

Many states, including a few big ones, haven't yet voted. The coronavirus may turn things on its head. The youth vote is not turning out. Bernie can help with that.

I think it's admirable of Bernie Sanders to stay in the race long enough to try and guide his flock over to Biden to beat Trump. I'm counting on anti-trumpers to dump Trump, not Joe Biden.

Update: Admittedly, I know nothing about the details of climate change. But Joe Biden just said he wants to take millions of cars off the streets. Really? What happens to the auto industry then, and particularly its workers? From those who work in the manufacturing plants to those who work in service departments at car and truck dealerships and those independently employed as mechanics? Memo to Joe Biden: Keep your hands off my car. Especially this week when riding mass transit increases your risk of exposure to the coronavirus.

Update: Bernie mentions how the world looks to the U.S. for democracy and leadership. That may be changing thanks to Donald Trump. Check out this opinion piece from the South China Post about how Asia will have to go its own way if it wants to be democratic, because the U.S. has dropped the ball. Our standing in the world will take a decade or more to repair -- far longer than any one presidential term, be it Biden or Bernie.

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    Liked the format (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by SomewhatChunky on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 09:45:55 PM EST
    I liked the format.  Maybe it was because there were only two of them, but I thought the lack of an audience (thus no applause) put all of the emphasis on the substance of what the candidates had to say -- where it belongs.

    It sent a strong positive message to have the candidates not shake hands and be 6 feet apart.  Does CNN have too many news anchors?  Not sure why the 3 moderators were all sitting right next to each other.  A bit tone deaf in today's environment....

    Jeralyn, what is your evidence (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Towanda on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 09:40:34 AM EST
    that Bernie boosts turnout?

    Not in any primary yet seen on planet Earth, from data I have seen.

    Yes, it (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 10:11:10 AM EST
    appears to be the opposite---Biden brought out the vote on Super Tuesday.  A NBC/WSJ poll (3/15), one on one,  Biden 52%, Trump 43%.  Sanders 49%, Trump 45%.

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    "Youth vote " (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 12:36:45 PM EST
    Is down almost everywhere

    The opposite of what he promised.

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    Is there an (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 02:20:04 PM EST
    app so the youth can vote by phone?

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    You know what (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 02:29:12 PM EST
    There might be soon.

    Just watched Donald discuss the big celebration we are all going to have soon.

    When we have defeated the virus.

    Nothing compared to the celebration when we defeat him.  But something to look forward to.

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    Yes, I'm watching him too, (none / 0) (#32)
    by fishcamp on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 03:07:11 PM EST
    and he uses the words fantastic and tremendous for everything that's connected to him.  He prattles on not saying anything substantial.  It's a good thing Dr. fausti is there to straighten out Trumps words.

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    Dr Fauci (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 03:58:49 PM EST
    Not Dr Faustus

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    Obama inspired a young voter turnout (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 08:38:59 PM EST
    Wonder if he will again campaigning with Biden?

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    Perhaps we should all stop looking backward (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 12:38:23 PM EST
    at Joe Biden's votes and look forward to ridding this country of the current virus in the White House. Perhaps our host should consider that.

    Jeralyn, I agree with everything you've said about Biden's record. However, I am with DFH, not voting is in a small way handing over four more years of orange virus. The US can survive four years of Joe Biden. It cannot, will not survive four more years of the current occupant.

    Joe Biden is/was not my pick to be the next POTUS. However, that said, my number one issue, over everything else, is ridding us of orange jesus.

    HST... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by desertswine on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 01:26:12 PM EST
    "In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are f....d until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely."

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    FZ (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 01:33:17 PM EST
    The Torture Never Stops.

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    Captain Beefheart (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 02:03:39 PM EST
    You can almost judge how screwed up somebody is by the kind of toilet paper they use. Go in any rich house and it's some weird coloured embossed stuff.



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    He said he declined (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 02:27:13 PM EST
    to sign with Mercury Records because he pulled one of the exec's socks down and didn't see any little wings.

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    Bernie needs to (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by smott on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 01:49:38 PM EST
    Step down NOW.
    Instead, he may call to suspend the primaries.

    I'm done with him.

    After this next Tuesday (none / 0) (#1)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:01:02 PM EST
    Bernie should drop out.  Then, it will be more even more apparent that Bernie can only act the spoiler.

    Attacking Joe Biden is counterproductive.  Not liking Bernie doing that now.

     

    Biden doing well (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:05:44 PM EST
    He is responding well.  Sounding good.  

    My theory:  Joe just needs to show he is able to respond and is not senile or in decline. Joe is doing that quite well.  This gotcha about past votes decades ago that Bernie is pushing is irrelevant.

    Bernie is becoming more and more irrelevant. His attacks on Biden are off putting.

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    Bernie (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:11:47 PM EST
    has his own issues in the past. Of course with him the past is the same as the present.

    I agree with your theory. Biden just needs to appear sane to win. Bernie's campaign's disgusting smear job on Biden's mental acuity ticks me off. Yes, Biden's mind does slip because he's 77 years old but it's far from dementia. Yet, Bernie has one foot in the grave being a 78 year old cardiac patient.

    I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Biden because frankly he was on the bottom of my choices just above Bernie.

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    I did not watch the debate. (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 11:09:04 PM EST
    I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Biden because frankly he was on the bottom of my choices just above Bernie.

    It is kinda hard to believe but better you than me :-)!
    I am still bitter that Hillary lost to the orange creature and even more bitter that Warren lost to these two mediocre men.

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    Bernie is so full of (none / 0) (#6)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:29:41 PM EST
    it.

    Was it Elizabeth Warren who pointed out that Bernie is not serious about big change because he opposes eliminating the filibuster?

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    Armando just (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:33:00 PM EST
    cracks me up.  I do not think he knows how unintentionally funny he is.

    His take is Biden has won the debate because he owns the headline: Biden commits to woman VP.

    And, then, he says: go Kamala!  His mooning over her is just so funny to me.  And no offense to J on this--I know she is not a fan.

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    I really do not understand Armando's (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 10:45:02 PM EST
    allegiance to Harris.  The fact she wasn't leading in CA seems definitive.

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    You think it might have something to do with (none / 0) (#13)
    by vml68 on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 11:02:00 PM EST
    the fact that she is a very attractive and intelligent woman :-)

    I really do not understand Armando's allegiance to Harris.


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    I counted (none / 0) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 10:32:56 AM EST
    three times that Bernie confused or mis-spoke Ebola for Coronavirus.  Not really a big deal in a debate situation, but he seemed a little distant from the present being more comfortable with a recitation of the need for Medicare for All goals.

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    And babbling about Biden's (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 12:31:17 PM EST
    Votes in the 90s.

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    Disagree (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:04:15 PM EST
    I think Bernie's goal is to try to make Biden lose. He does not care about beating Trump. He is only in it for himself. I expect him to do a repeat of his behavior in 2016.

    No way (none / 0) (#38)
    by Steve13209 on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 04:46:14 PM EST
    Just because you clearly can't stand Sanders doesn't mean he would be happy to see Biden lose and Trump win. Staying in has caused Biden to go left on a few items, including Warren's bankruptcy plan. I think keeping his supporters engaged is a good thing. Sure, some will sit it out if Bernie isn't nominated, but that's going to happen anyway. Many others are looking for a reason to support the nominee, especially if it's not Sanders.

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    Right (none / 0) (#39)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 05:16:43 PM EST
    you might as well say everyone who lit into and humiliated Biden during the debates wants Trump to win.

    Any sane human beings left in the country want Trump and his sycophants out of there.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 05:47:33 PM EST
    And yeah (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 05:50:08 PM EST
    I know who that person is.

    And it's a never Trump site.

    Doesn't mean it's not true.

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    Jim DeMint's speechwriter (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 05:50:44 PM EST
    that's always been one of my go-tos.


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    Typical (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 05:51:45 PM EST
    Indeed (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 05:52:39 PM EST
    Amanda Carpenter (none / 0) (#49)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 08:34:24 PM EST
    should explain how Ted Cruz and Jim DeMint's devalue science and defund "big goverment" programs approach would be helpful in the present situation..

    Either of those two would be about as helpful as Trump is, which is to say as useful as urinal in the snow.

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    Look! (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 10:45:03 PM EST
    No, over THERE

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    Who brought a right-wing tool (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 11:10:47 PM EST
    into the discussion as the supposed voice of reason?

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    This is the best (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 08:27:44 PM EST
    debate by Biden of them all.   He is strong and coherent.  Discerns between emergency and policy.  And, should put to bed acuity comments bruited about.  

    Bernie is on automatic. He does make some good points and Biden has, smartly, recognized them and will adopt or modify some of them.

    The big over-shadowing headline will be that Biden will select a women as his running mate.  Bernie was equivocal--he would likely do so but need a progressive women.

    Either one would be eons better than the inept criminal in the White House.  

    Worth re-reading. (none / 0) (#9)
    by NoSides on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 10:22:03 PM EST
    "If I were one of Bernie's supporters, I would lose interest and fade away. There is just nothing Joe Biden brings to any table I sit at. I think the argument that Joe Biden is more likely to beat Trump than Bernie is not only incorrect but the wrong way to approach the election."

    Posted by Jeralyn above.

    Maybe his supporters (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by CST on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 09:11:10 AM EST
    Should gave considered rallying around someone with broader appeal.

    Bernie also alienates half the Democratic base.  Not to mention he's losing the vote.

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    Jeralyn's focus is federal criminal (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 10:47:35 PM EST
    sentencing.

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#12)
    by NoSides on Sun Mar 15, 2020 at 10:53:13 PM EST
    among other things.

    A worthwhile focus in my opinion.

    Another focus is defeating Trump:

    To that end, I completely agree with her statement: "I think the argument that Joe Biden is more likely to beat Trump than Bernie is ...incorrect."

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    And that's based upon - what, exactly? (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 07:30:17 PM EST
    Your hunch? Because all available polling data strongly suggests otherwise. Look, if the race was Bernie v. Trump, I think Bernie still wins -- but the race would likely be a lot tighter than it otherwise should be.

    But Joe Biden's clearly the stronger Democratic candidate because whether we like it or not, he is a calming and reassuring presence to a lot of Democratic voters, particularly to African Americans, in a way that Bernie is not. And right now, because we need to get rid of Trump, many of us are going to vote with our heads in this election, rather than our hearts.

    Aloha.

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    Jeralyn wrote (none / 0) (#15)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 01:14:15 AM EST
    But Joe Biden just said he wants to take millions of cars off the streets. Really? What happens to the auto industry then, and particularly its workers? From those who work in the manufacturing plants to those who work in service departments at car and truck dealerships and those independently employed as mechanics? Memo to Joe Biden: Keep your hands off my car. Especially this week when riding mass transit increases your risk of exposure to the coronavirus.

    While I agree with this analysis I would point out that in the last debate he said 150,000,000 Americans were killed by guns.  This is not the first time, and probably won't be the last, when Biden slips up with numbers.  I thought Sanders seemed to be a lot sharper than Biden in the give and take.  But neither one seemed to be what I expect will be full attack mode Trump will unleash.  

    I really wish there was a candidate I could vote for instead of having to vote against.

    On the cars (none / 0) (#16)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 08:44:26 AM EST
    The idea is to have electric cars.   And more mass transit.  Not get rid of all the cars.

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    Cars and cows (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 12:37:16 PM EST
    I heard

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    Quite easy to do. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 03:33:08 PM EST
    But Joe Biden just said he wants to take millions of cars off the streets. Really?

    All of those soon to be unemployed oil worker's cars will be parked and not commuting to work.  His promise to end much drilling for oil will have immediate consequences.


    This fixatation on how much (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 04:15:14 PM EST
    money gets put in people's pockets in the near-term is largely why investors and Big Pharma couldn't sustain interest in developing a coronavirus vaccine after the SARS outbreak in 2002..

    Another problem leading to the current state of affairs is the on-going anti-science conservative lunacy that undercuts government-funded research at every opportunity. Presumably in favor of "market solutions."

    How's that working out?

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    Let's see (2.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 09:01:10 AM EST
    Was it conservatives that got the CDC to lose focus on Contagious Diseases and mission creep into firearms, obesity, and racism?  I know a number of conservatives that feel the Center for Disease Control should be focused like a laser on controlling infectious diseases.

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    I know a number of conservatives (none / 0) (#67)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 06:33:32 PM EST
    ... who don't want the CDC to fund gun violence studies because they are afraid of what scientific studies will reveal.  I also know a number of conservatives who got rid of the pandemic response team and consistently propose less funding for the CDC.  Not to mention those are on my FB feed claiming the coronavirus is a media-hyped hoax and isn't really a threat.

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    Thanks (1.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 09:42:07 PM EST
    You made my point. To some like you CDC resources should be diverted away from controlling infectious diseases.

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    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Yman on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 01:24:27 PM EST
    Many of us are aware of the fact that the CDC's mission statement includes addressing all kinds of public health issues beyond infectious diseases,  such as researching gun violence.  I understand why the ammosexuals don't want people or policy makers to have facts and evidence,  but even your orange buffoon signed the bill allowing the CDC to do it.

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    That mission statement. (2.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Mar 20, 2020 at 01:47:02 PM EST
     CDC works 24/7 to protect America from health, safety and security threats, both foreign and in the U.S. Whether diseases start at home or abroad, are chronic or acute, curable or preventable, human error or deliberate attack, CDC fights disease and supports communities and citizens to do the same.

    CDC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation's health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise.

    I suppose you could shoehorn virtually any activity that can be called a health threat into that, from automobiles, to firearms, to boxing, to not eating your vegetables, to football helmet design, to smoking, to aircraft certification, et al. The bottom line is having the CDC divert resources from disease control means it is less capable of controlling disease.

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    The "bottom line" (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 20, 2020 at 09:26:09 PM EST
    ... is that the CDC is tasked with addressing many kinds of health threats, not just those that you want addressed.  They should certainly not ignore public health threats simply because the ammosexuals feel threatened by facts and research.

    No "shoehorning" required at all.

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    I had the impression Abdul (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 20, 2020 at 09:55:00 PM EST
    was some kind of gun dealer.

    "It's hard to get a man to understand something when his livlihood depends upon him not understanding it."

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    I See Only One Colorado Presidential Poll (none / 0) (#35)
    by RickyJim on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 04:05:48 PM EST
    on the RCP polling website.  Taken by Emerson last August, it shows both Biden and Sanders besting Trump 55% - 45%.  If that is still true next November, some people can safely protest by not voting without throwing the election to Trump.

    Protest votes in this election ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 07:35:51 PM EST
    ... will be the ultimate exercise in self-absorption, because those who would cast them will have proved that there is no "us" in them.

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    Delay Ohio till June (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 04:13:55 PM EST
    Trial court denied motion. (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 08:01:16 PM EST
    Ag's office says it is trying to figure out proper court for aopeal. Really???.

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    Oh my (none / 0) (#48)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 08:13:01 PM EST
    So the Governor just can't postpone it on his own.

    And who will show up tomorrow to vote with the Gov saying he would try to cancel? Talk about suppressing the vote.

    What a mess.

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    Our fave tweeter is going ballistic. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 09:21:20 PM EST
    To further mess up the situation (none / 0) (#54)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 10:45:55 PM EST
    the state health commissioner has ordered all polling places to be kept closed in response to the communicable disease emergency. The election is not canceled or postponed, apparently, but it is illegal to open a polling place. Huh?

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    Dry run for cancelling in November ? (none / 0) (#61)
    by smott on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 11:51:58 AM EST
    If a Gov can overrule a judge's order and cancel an election for one party, we're in a bad place, no?

    If I'm a GOP Gov with a GOP state legislature and I want to keep it that way, I'm watching very closely.

    As is Trump, one assumes.

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    Everything isn't politics (none / 0) (#72)
    by SomewhatChunky on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 07:38:23 PM EST
    If a Governor (Rep or Dem) can somehow figure out a way to overrule a clueless judge to postpone an election that puts significant lives at risk, I'm all for it.

    Right or wrong, most people think the Ohio Gov is doing what he thinks best to save lives.  That's his job.

    The Nov Election is a long ways off.  As a country we'll figure out how to best hold it if the disease is still a huge issue.  Hard to do that with a primary being held the next day and a problem that exploded a week ago.

    We have the elected officials we have and that's not going to change until Nov.  I hope they all do a good job.    Even Trump who now seems to grasp the seriousness of the situation.

    This disease is the real deal.  Most people don't understand geometric growth.   This is going to get far worse real fast.  Lots of Americans are going to die.  There are things we can do to reduce that number with staying at home being #1.  Unfortunately many people still don't see the need to do that which make those the efforts of those who do far less effective.

    I am not going to take political daily pot shots at people who are trying to do what they think is best.  I don't see how that helps.  I can see how it hurts.

    It's not clear what is best.  Lots of experts, lots of opinions.

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    Sherrod Brown was just on tv (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 07:53:48 PM EST
    Saying he thought the governor acted in good faith.  He was not completely happy but he had no real criticism of the governor

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    It's still (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by smott on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 07:56:08 AM EST
    Lawlessness.
    Don't like it.

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    So Biden will pick a woman VP (none / 0) (#51)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 09:44:46 PM EST
    Sorry, Armando, Amy is on Lawrence O'Donnell and sounding damn smart.  Let it be her.    

    Meltdown ahead. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 16, 2020 at 09:46:47 PM EST
    Honestly, I've long since stopped paying attention to his Twitter stream because of the profane tantrums, in which he frequently tossed f-bombs about as all-purpose nouns, verbs, adverbs and adjectives.

    Disappointing, if only because I really expected better given his previous posts here. But then Twitter has always been the intertoobs' virtual free-fire zone. It's best to be selective about who you follow there and avoid the often-toxic chatter, which will very quickly suck you into its vortex if you're not careful.

    Aloha.

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    There is (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 05:46:57 AM EST
    a big push for Kamala but has anyone considered the fact that she might not want to be VP? It's not the most desirable job in the world after all.

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    The person elected VP in November (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 11:04:23 AM EST
    has a much higher than average chance of becoming President within the ensuing four years.

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    A more (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 11:28:34 AM EST
    likely choice is Senator Klobuchar.  Earlier reports suggested that Biden may pick an AA woman, but in the debate Biden also mentioned that he would nominate an AA woman  to the Supreme Court if/when an opening. So this earlier reporting may not be firm.

    In my view, Biden could do much better than Amy.  He does not need her to win Minnesota and she does not broaden the ticket..  Senator Harris would seem to be a better choice.

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    Stacy (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 11:39:25 AM EST
    as Supreme Court Justice (none / 0) (#85)
    by MKS on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 02:13:24 PM EST
    Yes, what we need is a Supreme Court Justice (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 09:18:44 PM EST
    who writes romance novels on the side, or used to. Better than someone who gets stupid drunk on the side, or used to. Although I do wish Lani Guinier was ten or fifteen years younger.

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    Klobuchar (none / 0) (#89)
    by MO Blue on Thu Mar 19, 2020 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    As you say, does not broaden the ticket. Two moderates on the ticket will not encourage reluctant left leaning voters to vote for Biden. Not as bad as Clinton's VP choice but definitely not the best option.

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    That's the exact thing I told (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Mar 20, 2020 at 10:19:35 PM EST
    my cousin down in MD. Klobuchar is the female equivalent of Tim Kaine. Safe and white bread. I don't have anything against her, but I think Biden should broaden the ticket. I really like Stacy Abrams. I don't think the fact she lost in GA hurts her. It was, without a doubt, a rigged election. Her opponent was in charge of voter registration!

    Kamala Harris would be better, but I'd rather see her appointed AG. I have faith she will go all in putting the entire orange jesus clan into orange jumpsuits.

    I could live with Elizabeth Warren, she is less a moderate, not so white break, but again, older. I like the idea of a younger candidate. My cousin, in MD, is retired from the Justice Dept. She worked at the Supreme Court. She knew people who knew Elizabeth Warren. According to her, she really is that wonky. The general consensus was that she really is wicked smart.

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    Stacey (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 21, 2020 at 01:49:16 PM EST
    is a bad pick for VP. It seems everybody thinks that she would be a great pick except for the people who saw her run here in GA. First of all, Biden is old and the GOP will make it about Stacey saying Biden is going to die in office. Secondly, Stacey is a tax lawyer who did not pay her taxes. Thirdly, her legislative experience is a total of being elected from a deep blue seat and being minority leader. She won't bring the state of GA along with her. She's unmarried and apparently black men have a big problem with that as they abandoned her for Kemp of all people. If the country has such a problem with women do you really think an unmarried black woman isn't going to allow the GOP to create mass hysteria? Stacey is doing a great job with voting rights and she would do a bang up job leading that in a Biden administration in DC.

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    Happy St. Patrick's Day (none / 0) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 01:18:12 PM EST
    to all.  Not much public celebration, but Mnuchin is going to send us some greenbacks.

    And notice how quickly Fox News pivoted ... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 02:24:21 PM EST
    ... this week, especially during its prime-time hours, during which the COVID-19 pandemic was immediately transformed from Democrat Deep State-inspired political hoax to the major existential apocalyptic crisis of our times -- from which, of course, only the Blond Creamsicle can save us all.

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    You don't watch FOX much since (2.00 / 3) (#65)
    by ragebot on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 02:49:52 PM EST
    Tucker Carlson has been saying from the start that the corona virus was a huge problem.  On many nights he has the largest number of viewers of any FOX prime time show.

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    Oh please. (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 04:07:26 PM EST
    Hannity called it a deep state conspiracy. Trish Regan called it the new impeachment. I'm sure Judge Jeaninne and Laura Ingraham intimated it was a hoax. Then there's Varney and the Fox and Friends crew. Carlson is one voice of many at Fox. And he was vastly unnumbered.


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    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Yman on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 06:38:30 PM EST
    He said "Fox News", not Tucker Carlson.  The fact that one host one Faux News took this threat seriously doesn't not excuse the garbage they've been pushing for weeks.

    Fox News's dangerous decision to downplay the threat of coronavirus.

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    On the other hand.. (none / 0) (#69)
    by jondee on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 06:48:06 PM EST
    Fox had Falwell Jr on speculating, with no push-back from the hosts, that it was either a weaponized hoax meant to hurt Trump, or an actual biological attack by China and North Korea.

    Then they had that hard workin' dairy farmer Nunes on telling people that this a great time to take the whole family out to a restaurant. Again with no push-back at all from the Fox host.

    Yeah, unfortunately some of us check in on Fox once in awhile.

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    LOL! Bless your heart. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 07:28:56 PM EST
    Please don't be so self-delusional, particularly in times such as these. I don't want to have to come back here and turn you into a piñata.

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    Oops! Never mind. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 07:31:22 PM EST
    Everybody else already has.

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    Here's a damning indictment of Fox News, ... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 11:49:37 AM EST
    ... courtesy of the Washington Post, which of course now begs the following questions:

    Did the folks at Fox News mute their dangerously irresponsible chatter to mirror Trump's now-more serious demeanor?

    Or was that nitwit network's immediate change in tone prompted by the Murdoch family's sudden realization that the steady diet of right-wing crazy risked getting thousands of their own audience killed, and its most loyal White House viewer then shifted his whacked-out rhetoric in accordance to what he now heard on TV?

    :-)

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    Sanders is losing pretty big (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 08:14:46 PM EST
    Biden has a very big delegate lead now.

    I don't think it matters much what Sanders does after tonight.

    They just made the point that Sanders staying in the race in spite of no chance of winning the nomination will be the only reason to keep having primaries.

    That may change the situation.

    The Pennsylvania primary is one of those (none / 0) (#75)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 09:15:19 PM EST
    set for April 28. Delegate to the presidential nominating convention is not the only office that is contested. Our excellent (middle-aged male, very progressive) incumbent state senator, for example, is being challenged by a young woman on the sole basis of very thin #MeToo allegations. Our incumbent state rep is also being primaried. I'm sure there are many real and meaningful primary races all over the state.

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    Another example of a non-pres primary (none / 0) (#77)
    by Peter G on Tue Mar 17, 2020 at 10:46:00 PM EST
    that matters:  looks like Marie Newman, a progressive feminist, is ousting anti-abortion incumbent Dan Lipinski in the race to be the Democratic candidate for the House in IL-3 (parts of Chicago and suburbs).

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    A long overdue (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 09:51:57 AM EST
    break-through.  Probably the most socially conservative Democratic Congressman: anti-abortion, anti-stem cell research, anti-gay, anti-ACA, anti-Planned Parenthood.......

    Dan Lipinski did not even support Obama's re-election . And, he succeeded his father, Bill Lipinski, for his congressional seat.  Bill won in a primary and then announced his retirement---the Democratic organization then picked his son, Dan, to run in his place in the general election.

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    Why is (none / 0) (#81)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 12:07:26 PM EST
    Dan even a Democrat?  He's the worst kind of DINO.

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    His District includes (none / 0) (#82)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 12:32:46 PM EST
    a portion of SW Chicago and SW Chicago suburbs. Democratic District, probably always less conservative than Dan, but he had the name, having taken over, in a manipulated manner, from his long-serving father. There was a small glitch in that, at the time, young Lipinski was living in Tennessee. Since hard to represent Il District 3, it caused a stir and he moved to Illinois.

    Not much chance for a Republican in Illinois District 3. The last Republican to run was Arthur Jones, a Nazi.

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    And I believe (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 18, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM EST
    the Nazi was the reason Lipinski got reelected. So now no Nazis and no Lipinski.

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    Could we get an open thread? (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 19, 2020 at 08:19:46 AM EST
    Hasn't been a new one since Mar 1st