Trump's SOTU

Donald Trump sounds just like Alec Baldwin.

Is anyone listening to this bubbe meise?

If he touts Kushner's peace plan, I bet he neglects the direct threats ISIS made in response via an audio message released this week. ISIS is promising a world boom, not just a blue-collar boom.

Update: Trump claims great credit for the First Step Act -- a bill that excludes relief for deportable immigrants. What kind of reform is that? It's really not a progressive bill at all . (Trump's son in law Jared Kushner knows only slightly more about federal criminal justice than he does about Middle East peace solutions. [More...]

Now Trump is trashing Maduro and introduces Venezuela's real President who just happens to be in the audience. A real President who declared himself President? Sounds like someone Trump would endorse. Donald Trump is dangerous, someone needs to tell him to stay in his own lane and stop interfering in other governments. I turned it off way before the end and missed the best part: Nancy Pelosi rippping up his speech.
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    Guess I missed trump's big speech. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 04, 2020 at 10:14:57 PM EST
    Oh well, Trevor Noah will tell me all I need to know.  He just showed video of NP tearing up the speech after it was over.  Nice picture.

    I can't watch him, not good for my blood pressure (none / 0) (#46)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 06, 2020 at 08:29:23 AM EST
    I don't know how Pelosi stands it. As she said, tearing it up was the most polite thing she could do.

    ... for me was his award of the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Rush Limbaugh, who's without a doubt one of the most divisive, destructive, hurtful and hatemongering radio / TV hosts in the history of American media.

    That Trump deliberately chose to do so on the 107th anniversary of Rosa Parks' birthday, no less, was nothing more than a great big "Eff You" to the 54% of Americans who didn't vote for him.

    So, Mahalo Nui Loa to Speaker Nancy Pelosi for publicly ripping up Trump's speech last night in front of a live national TV feed. I don't know how any of you feel about her actions, but she certainly speaks for me:

    "The manifesto of mistruths presented in page after page of the address tonight should be a call to action for everyone who expects truth from the President and policies worthy of his office and the American people. The American people expect and deserve a President to have integrity and respect for the aspirations for their children."


    Her daughter (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 02:06:06 PM EST
    called it the "Italian Grandmother" thing to do.

    My only regret was that ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:04:11 PM EST
    ... the Speaker she didn't first ask Mike Pence to hold it for her while she lit it on fire with a match.

    Alice Cooper's B-day too. (none / 0) (#17)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 02:38:44 PM EST
    Imagine how he feels.


    Oh, to be a fly on the wall when the IMPOTUS (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 03:42:02 PM EST
    was informed :-)

    White House thought there would be at least one Democrat supporting acquittal
    From CNN's Kaitlan Collins

    In the days leading up to today's final vote, White House officials were confident in the outcome: President Trump would be acquitted. So instead they focused on having a bipartisan impeachment vote.

    And with Sen. Romney's announcement he will vote yes on the articles, there will be a bipartisan vote -- just not the one Trump's impeachment team wanted.

    In discussions with Trump in the last several days, aides reassured him they could likely get at least one red state Democrat to vote for his acquittal, focusing on Doug Jones, Kyrsten Sinema or Joe Manchin.

    Today, all three of those Democrats announced they would vote to convict Trump.

    Officials seemed the most confident that Manchin would vote to acquit, based on conversations aides had with Republican senators in recent days. Then, moments before the vote Wednesday, Manchin announced he's voting yes on both articles.

    "I did not expect this," one official texted about the decision.

    I also read (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 03:58:43 PM EST
    Mitt was totally unexpected

    By pretty much everyone.


    After Mitt's (none / 0) (#44)
    by MKS on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 07:35:10 PM EST
    speech announcing he would vote to convict, Manchin could not really vote to acquit.

    Seriously (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 07:50:57 PM EST
    Mitch made it easy to vote guilty since he refused to have witnesses. These senators just have to go back to their states and say I wasn't going to vote for an acquittal with no witnesses.

    That logic seems a little backwards (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 06, 2020 at 08:36:55 AM EST
    on their part,  but given that it is not a criminal trial it makes some kind of sense.

    Rest in peace, Kirk Douglas (1916-2020). (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:20:11 PM EST
    What an amazing life he had. Not only was he a true Hollywood superstar before that term was even coined, but he wielded his clout with purpose as the guy who finally broke the studios' pernicious anti-Communist blacklisting in the 1950 and '60s by openly hiring the formerly unemployable Dalton Trumbo to pen the screenplay for Spartacus under his own name. You can't begrudge a 103-year-old man for finally passing through the check-out register. Rather, Douglas's life and accomplishments are truly worth celebrating.

    Oops! Wrong thread. (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:44:23 PM EST
    So, let me at least attempt to tie the occasion of Kirk Douglas's passing to this thread by noting that in September 2016, two months before the election, then-99-year-old Douglas wrote an open letter to the American people, "The Road Ahead," which without naming him specifically, nevertheless warned us about Donald Trump:

    "[I've] lived through the horrors of a Great Depression and two World Wars, the second of which was started by a man who promised that he would restore his country it to its former greatness.

    "I was 16 when that man came to power in 1933.  For almost a decade before his rise he was laughed at ― not taken seriously. He was seen as a buffoon who couldn't possibly deceive an educated, civilized population with his nationalistic, hateful rhetoric.

    "The 'experts' dismissed him as a joke. They were wrong.

    "A few weeks ago we heard words spoken in Arizona that my wife, Anne, who grew up in Germany, said chilled her to the bone. They could also have been spoken in 1933. [...] These are not the American values that we fought in World War II to protect.


    "I have lived a long, good life. I will not be here to see the consequences if this evil takes root in our country. But your children and mine will be. And their children. And their children's children."

    Aloha to a true Mensch.


    "I feel very liberated. I feel as though I've extended every possible courtesy. I've shown every level of respect. I say to my members all the time there's no such thing as personal animosity. There are eternal friendships but you never know on what cause you may come together with somebody you may have perceived as your foe right now. Everybody is a possible ally in whatever comes next. E Pluribus Unum. From many, one. They didn't know how many we'd be or how different we'd be. But they wanted us always to remember we were one and they, our founders, had their differences, as do we. I extended a hand of friendship to him, to welcome him as the president of the United States, to the people's House. It was also an act of kindness because he looked to me like he was a little sedated. He looked that way last year, too. But he didn't want to shake hands, that was that. That meant nothing to me. That had nothing to do with my tearing up [his speech]. That came much later. [...] I saw the compilation of falsehoods, and I thought, there has to be something that clearly indicates to the American people that this [speech] is not the truth. He has shredded the truth in his speech. He's shredding the Constitution in his conduct. I shredded his state of his mind address."

    LOL. That wasn't a state of the union - it was a state of mind.

    May the Heavens bless Speaker Pelosi.

    Oooh! That is going to sting! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by vml68 on Thu Feb 06, 2020 at 02:08:46 PM EST
    It was also an act of kindness he looked to me like he was a little sedated. He looked that way last year, too.

    I am so glad she said it out loud. Nonna Nancy is taking no prisoners.


    And speaking of "fake news," it (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Peter G on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 10:49:59 AM EST
    turns out that the fourth-grader from Philadelphia that Tr*mp brought to the SOTU for a reality-show moment of announcing a (phony) "opportunity scholarship" in fact does not presently attend a "failing public school" (or "government school" as the wingers like to call our public schools). According to a front-page story in today's Philadelphia Inquirer, the student is in fact one of 100 kids selected from 6500 applicants this year to transfer from her (tuition-charging) private Christian academy "charter" to a highly competitive public charter magnet school (free) that focuses on math, science and technology. Plus, the "scholarship" is actually just a gift from reactionary millionaire and anti-education activist -- and typical cabinet secretary -- Betsy DeVos, not funded by any Administration program. If the student's single mother accepts the DeVos "scholarship," it would be for her to return to the "Christian" school from the science academy ... no doubt just what Tr*mp thinks is more suitable for talented African-American girls. Sad that the girl's mother would allow herself and her daughter to be exploited this way by the White House.

    SOTU --the articulation (none / 0) (#1)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 04, 2020 at 10:00:32 PM EST
    of a demagogue presenting an evilly crafted, muted Nuremberg-type rally. A warped reality show that exploited the pain of others and was fueled with xenophobic and racial fire.  Trump left the nation in a sea of disinformation, darkness, and terror.  Fortunately, he was boring and tuned out many who tuned in.  This country is going to go through some things.

    Did he get through it without (none / 0) (#2)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 04, 2020 at 10:13:36 PM EST
    mentioning the impeachment, like Bill Clinton did? (I didn't watch or listen at all.)

    Yes, (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 04, 2020 at 10:52:01 PM EST
    He got through the whole imspeech---the GOP elephant in the room.

    Sounds like Doug Jones (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 10:27:54 AM EST
    Is going to take the politically courageous vote on acquitting Trump.

    We will see if Manchin will have the nads to follow his example.

    Democratic Senators stood proud (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 07:29:14 PM EST
    All Democratic Senators voted to impeach. Manchin surprised the h*ll out of me in a good way.

    You mean politically expedient? (none / 0) (#6)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 10:32:44 AM EST
    politically courageous

    He is not going to vote (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 10:33:57 AM EST
    To acquit

    Not that expedient in AL


    My bad. I read the 'on' as 'in'. (none / 0) (#8)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 10:38:22 AM EST
    Is going to take the politically courageous vote on acquitting Trump.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 10:39:44 AM EST
    It's a pretty courageous thing to do.

    Props to Manchin. and Sinema too (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 04:07:29 PM EST
    I think Trump won WV by 40 points.  He only won Alabama by 30.

    When asked about (none / 0) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 12:40:56 PM EST
    tearing up the SOTU speech, Speaker Pelosi responded, "I tore it up. It was the courteous thing to do."  "It was the courteous thing to do considering the alternative."  "It was such a dirty speech."

    Ripping up the speech was the only moment for the SOTU worth remembering. Tweeter tsunami from the Republicans, including, of course, Trump and his minions such as Pompeo, are serving to eclipse the acrid screed, although the awarding of the presidential medal of freedom by Melania to Rush Limbaugh as a part of the SOTU will remain front and center., leaving behind in the dust the award of the medal to Bill Cosby by George W. Bush and to Strom Thurmond by George H.W. Bush    Hard to out vile Rush although his contemptible---Michelle Obama is a gorilla in heels-- may have endeared him to Trump and clinched the deal.

    In the "bothsiderism"  fainting couch department it has been noted that Trump should not have refused to shake Speaker Pelosi's hand.  But still. Not civil for the Speaker not to be respectful of a demagogue who rips up the Constitution., even though she said she will never stop extending the hand of friendship to get the job done for the people.

    Romney (none / 0) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 01:28:03 PM EST
    goes there
    Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) on Wednesday announced that he will vote to convict President Donald Trump in his impeachment trial,

    Good for him. (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 01:56:01 PM EST
    "I have gone through a process of very thorough analysis and searching, and I have prayed through this process. But I don't pretend that God told me what to do. The president did in fact pressure a foreign government to corrupt our election process. And really, corrupting an election process in a democratic republic is about as abusive and egregious an act against the Constitution - and one's oath - that I can imagine. It's what autocrats do."

    A truly liberating life we'll live,
    When we're finally out of f*cks to give.



    Romney and the house impeachment (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 06, 2020 at 08:43:18 AM EST
    managers have given the Dem candidates great stump speech themes for the campaign if they ever get around to making the election about Trump. Klobuchar was on the right track the other night. Being stuck listening to Trump horror stories for 3 weeks helped in her case.  Not sure about the others so far.

    Not that impressed (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 02:07:11 PM EST
    But a little surprised

    But wow (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 02:12:49 PM EST
    Haven't seen the bobble heads this breathless since chills were running up Tweety's leg.

    They will have him on Mt Rushmore by the next news cycle.


    Romney's head (none / 0) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 02:51:13 PM EST
    Is more likely to be on a pike than Mt Rushmore.  That well-known rocket scientist, Don Jr., is leading the movement by calling for the severely conservative Romney to be drummed out of the Republican Party.   So uncivil, we can expect Susan Collins to be troubled.   Not sure Utah will be thrilled, though. And, I agree, no need to canonize Romney for not being a stooge like the rest of them.

    Trump (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 03:16:33 PM EST
    is not that popular in Utah. This is not that big of a risk for Romney but kudos for him for standing up.

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 03:20:31 PM EST
    Makes the vote bipartisan.. Or, at least, not  partisan.  

    Sorry, was not (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 03:29:20 PM EST
    clear.  Meant Utah would not be thrilled by Don Jr's move to kick Romney out of the Republican Party.  And, I do fear for Romney's safety, he had better get some security and a rider on his insurance for head pike coverage.  We are talking thugs here.  

    Romney thinks (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 03:56:38 PM EST
    He is the clean one when this is over.  I guess he's right.

    You are right, I hope he lives long enough to enjoy it.


    Mitt seems to be 'evolving'. (none / 0) (#50)
    by vml68 on Thu Feb 06, 2020 at 09:59:57 AM EST
    This is war (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 04:02:03 PM EST
    Don Jr. threatened Romney with expulsion. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 05:56:36 PM EST
    That made me laugh just typing it out on my keyboard. Junior's about as menacing as a chocolate chip cookie.

    Doesn't appear as though Romney's concerned. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 05:18:01 PM EST
    In the Atlantic article which I linked above, he's at peace with his decision today to vote for conviction. If he's angry with anyone, it's with Trump and those in the GOP who are enabling him.

    I don't think Wallace was suggesting (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 05:23:04 PM EST
    Romney was angry.

    I didn't say he did. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 05:59:49 PM EST
    All I said is that Romney's clearly at peace with his decision and isn't concerned about any threats emanating from the Trump White House and his fellow Republicans.

    Let's be clear (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:28:25 PM EST
    If Romney really gave a shi+ he would have taken the vote that actually mattered and voted for witnesses.  Instead he voted to shut it down.  And then decides to be courageous and vote to convict.  A vote virtually no one in Utah is going to give a rats azz about.

    But everyone can swoon about how brave and at peace is.  

    BS.  this WAS the easy vote for Romney.  He get to be the statesmen with absolutely no consequences for his corrupt. party.

    F'ck Romney.


    Oh wait (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:46:12 PM EST
    He did that.

    Good for mitt


    This is funny (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:53:47 PM EST
    Head on a pike? (none / 0) (#42)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 07:17:29 PM EST
    It is a good thing Senator James "visibly upset" Lankford and Sen. Collins assured us that it was "not true".

    So (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 04:15:00 PM EST
    What's the over under on how long till Nancy subpoenas Bolton.

    I'm saying by the end of the month.  Maybe the week.

    The real question is (none / 0) (#28)
    by ragebot on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 05:10:16 PM EST
    how long it will take to work the court cases through the system and to the SC.

    Six months would be good (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 05:21:55 PM EST
    August/September works for me.

    Is what Barr is doing to try to prevent (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 06, 2020 at 08:32:10 AM EST
    investigations applicable to congressional subpoenas? Does. DoJ have any involvement in those at all?  I guess if so that will be part of the court case.

    Bring it on.


    Here we go (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 05, 2020 at 06:06:57 PM EST

    Kathryn Watson

     Moments after the acquittal vote, Grassley and Johnson announce their request for Hunter Biden's travel records from Secret Service