Joe Biden Wins South Carolina, Who Cares?

The New York Times reports Joe Biden has been declared the winner of the South Carolina primary.

In second place right now is Tom Steyer, who spent $18.5 million on ads in the state. Then Bernie and Elizabeth. Then Amy and Pete.

More important than Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg, all of whom will be 78 by January, is who they would pick as their running mate. There is certainly no second term for any of them. [More...]

If I have to vote for an alte kaker , it will be Bernie Sanders. Here's his record on crime. Here's Biden's.

Biden wrote the worst criminal justice bills of the last 35 years. He gave us mandatory minimums on drugs, crack at 100:1, increase in death penalty offenses, unfair time limitation of habeas claims, and he throws too much money and credibility to law enforcement. Considering the racially disparate effect of the legislation he wrote or spearheaded, it's absurd to me that South Carolinians favor him. To me, the biggest reason for the racially disparate effect of our criminal laws is Joe Biden, who spent 30 plus years in the Senate writing them (along with right-wing Republicans -- so much for bi-partisanship).

People of color account for 37% of the US population, yet they represent 67% of the prison population. Black men are nearly six times as likely to be incarcerated as white men, and federal courts imposed prison sentences on black men that were 19% longer than those imposed on similarly situated white men between 2011 and 2016.

More statistics here from the Sentencing Project.

Moving on to Super Tuesday....I hope Bloomberg takes out Biden. And then loses overall to another Democrat.

I am still holding on to my ballot and debating who to vote for on Super Tuesday.

Ideally I would like a candidate who prioritizes a lockbox on our social security and will protect Medicare as it is and Medicaid; has a reasonable plan to provide health care to all people present in this country; priortizes family reunification and immigration reform (and not by sending the undocumented to back to their home countries to start the immigration process all over again);, supports all of ten Amendments in the Bill of Rights (not just Roe v. Wade or violence against women) and considers them as they were intended --to protect the rights of those accused of crime (not victims of crimes, we have laws and other amendments for them); and who will pick a running mate who is not a former top state or federal prosecutor. (Climate change is a given, all Dems support that).

There is no such candidate this year. Today, I think Bernie is the closest, and I do believe he can beat Donald Trump. I don't think the other Dems can and I don't think the country will fall as a whole for Bloomberg and his celebrity millionaire Hollywood supporters. If I'm wrong and Biden or Bloomberg is the nominee, I think we will get 4 more years of Donald Trump, who will destroy whatever is left of our battered national spirit and standing in the world, and hopefully we will come back stronger in 2024.

As for Joe Biden, he'll enjoy the sunshine tonight, but I predict he'll be back in the shadows on Tuesday.

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    Lots of people care ... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:36:57 PM EST
    like the 60% of black voters who turned out for him in that state.

    I don't (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 07:46:29 PM EST
    know who the nominee is going to be. It looks more like Biden today. So unless another candidate freakishly gets some kind of rocket fuel late start it's going to be Biden vs. Bernie and Biden will win.

    The good thing about Biden is that he doesn't kill down ticket like Bernie does. We have 2 possible senate seats to flip here GA and they are gone if Bernie is the nominee.

    I would say Bloomberg's oppo dump has damaged Bernie to the point where he's no longer viable in a lot of states like Florida which has a large delegate count. Also Bernie shooting off his own foot with the 60 minutes interview.

    The Day I Vote in the Primary (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by RickyJim on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:03:21 PM EST
    I will check the latest polls for the half dozen or so closely contested states on the RCP website
    and then go to the firehouse to vote for whomever is leading Trump by the biggest margin in those places.  We can't avoid the luxury of finding the closest ideological soulmate.

    A rational approach (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:13:33 PM EST
    but the polls are not everything.  The Bern has yet to face any adverse scrutiny or press of consequence.  He is at his high water mark.

    50% in a six way race (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:14:38 PM EST
    Is pretty impressive.

    There is going to be some real pressure on some to get out.

    Steyer (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:36:08 PM EST
    just dropped out. I don't know if his voters go to Joe or one of the other moderate candidates.

    Worst campaign ever? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:14:27 AM EST
    Reportedly spent over $3,000 per vote and netted zero delegates.

    Perhaps money in politics is a bit overrated. Bloomberg may do worse.


    Steve Forbes' spent ... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:49:39 AM EST
    about $120m in 2000 and got zero delegates.

    I think that worked out to be about to be some phenomenal figure like $20K per vote.  Not adjusted for inflation.


    What voters? (none / 0) (#37)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:53:37 AM EST
    Nada outside of South Carolina.

    A really cool guy.  But not in the cards for him.


    Also, this will make Biden the popular vote ... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Feb 29, 2020 at 08:24:37 PM EST
    leader for all four contests.

    And may even put him in the delegate lead.

    Turnout in SC predicted at 500K.  Much bigger than '16. Not far off '08 numbers.


    Clyburn seems to have (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:00:53 AM EST
    Grabbed the Biden campaign by the lapels and shook it.

    He says he's staying to keep shaking.  This is probably good.

    Maybe he will convince Biden to pick Stacy Abrams and put this thing away.

    AND (none / 0) (#17)
    by jmacWA on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:53:36 AM EST
    announce he is only serving a single term.  That would help me support Biden.  I also wish Clyburn would knock some sense into him regarding Joes love for the GOP.  They must be crushed.

    I'm not sure I think announcing (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:01:47 AM EST
    He would serve one term is a good idea.  IMO he should do that after he is elected.  Probably not before.

    No sir, Cap'n (none / 0) (#38)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:56:43 AM EST
    Kamala.....Make Armando happy.

    Either way (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:58:52 AM EST
    But I like my pick

    Abrams is very talented (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:14:22 AM EST
    Val Demings. (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:11:07 PM EST
    Sorry Jeralyn. (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:46:39 AM EST
    But I don't think most Democratic voters in SC care about Joe Biden's record. They only care about ridding themselves of the mafia don at 1600 PA. And that is a legitimate concern.

    Biden is maleable (none / 0) (#55)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:11:46 PM EST
    He will go with the majority of Dems on the issues.....including criminal justice reform.

    It will be fun to come back (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by itscookin on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:11:47 AM EST
    in a few months to see how you've all convinced yourselves to vote for anyone the Democrats have nominated. You're so predictable. Why should they care what you want in a candidate? You're going to vote for the Democrat no matter who it is. Jeralyn will support Biden or Bloomberg regardless of how she feels about their record on crime. It wouldn't matter if Trump released every criminal she champions. She'd still vote against him because he's a Republican, and if he switched parties and became a Democrat, she'd vote for him, and so would the rest of you. I've been dropping by occasionally since 2008, and you never disappoint.  See you after the convention.

    Yeah, that's how primaries work ... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:05:54 PM EST
    you work for who you think will be best.

    But support the winner in end.


    Political Wire (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 06:50:38 AM EST
    Contested Convention Now Most Likely Scenario

    March 1, 2020 at 7:02 am EST By Taegan Goddard 14 Comments

    The FiveThirtyEight forecast shows there's now a 60% chance of a contested Democratic convention.

    Bernie Sanders has a 28% chance to win the majority of the delegates, while Joe Biden has an 11% chance. The model gives no other candidate more than a one percent chance.

    This will require other candidates ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 07:27:06 AM EST
    to stay in the race long enough and accumulate enough delegates to spoil Biden and Bernie's chances to get to 1,990.

    I am amazed (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:43:15 AM EST
    How many times I have already heard today that "Bloomberg can't win but he can keep Biden from winning"

    My god.  These idiots get paid to do this.

    Free clue to Bobbleheads

    He is staying in to gather non Sanders delegates.  Which will help Biden win.  NOT keep him from winning.


    Hope this helps.


    Your logic fails me ... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:23:39 AM EST
    all signs indicate Bloomberg is taking delegates from Biden.

    The convention (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:26:46 AM EST
    They will be joined.  Will they not.

    I would think (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    Every candidate who said they didn't want Sanders to be the nominee, like all of them, would be using those delegates they have to stop Sanders.

    At the contested convention.  Which is apparently not an IF any more.


    Well (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:44:43 AM EST
    Using them to stop Sanders and get a spot in the new administration

    I think most of the Biden voters ... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:50:24 AM EST
    who shifted to Bloomberg in the last few weeks are going back to Biden.

    It benefits (none / 0) (#36)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:48:46 AM EST
    The Bern to have multiple candidates with a number of pledged delegates, than say just 1 candidate with a almost equal number of delegates.

    It also makes it harder for supporters of The Bern   to accept anointing of another candidate.

    A 1700 delegate to 1500 delegate difference is far more palatable than a 1700 delegate, 1000 delegate, 700 delegate, 500 delegate...if they anoint any other candidate on the 2nd ballot.

    To help stop The Bern, the other candidates need to coalesce around 1 candidate, which the Republicans did not do in 2016. If the goal is to anoint someone other than The Bern at the convention, choose your candidate now. It will make it far easier to swallow for the Bernie supporters


    Sorry (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:41:59 PM EST
    to burst your unicorn fantasy but "The Bern" is done after torching himself on 60 Minutes and at his town hall and the Bloomberg oppo dump and the news that Russia is helping him. Elected representatives were forced to denounce him this past week. He has zero leverage and his cult members were never going to accept anybody but him. Doesn't matter though. The data is showing that for every cult member Bernie would retain we lose at least 2 or sometimes more votes. So it's better that they just move on.

    You could be right (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:07:16 PM EST
    but Bernie is the frontrunner right now and will haul in a lot of delegates on Tuesday.  It would be a heckuva fight to nominate someone else....

    If that happens, we will have the usual suspects, including Nina "take it to the Convention" Turner and Susan Sarandon, refuse to endorse the eventual nominee.  But I do think you are right that for every one of them we would lose we would gain another two.

    I am in Orange County, California, the former heart of the GOP, and as of now, ALL the House Members from the County, some 5 or 6 (depending on how you count those with cross over boundaries) are Democrats.  Orange County has ALL Democratic Representatives in the House.   It was a turnover of 5 Members total from Red to Blue.

    And, all five of those seats could easily flip back to the GOP.  Orange County is not going to love the Bern.

    I'd say to Susan Sarandon:  just stay out in the desert and enjoy the Burning Man fandango.  Don't need you.


    Biden as the underdog (none / 0) (#54)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:08:28 PM EST
    come-from-behind candidate has a certain charm.  Bernie is the big, monied juggernaut right now.  

    There are legitimate (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:15:37 PM EST
    reasons for not nominating Bernie outside of delegate counts. First of all Putin wants him to be the nominee. By kicking Bernie to the curb at the convention we could show the country that we won't lie down in front of Putin like the GOP did. Secondly is Bernie's health. He refuses to release his medical records especially his ejection fraction on his heart. What if he really is in too poor of health to run a presidential campaign? It's not out of the question and it's also possible that the heart attack he had that we knew about wasn't his first. Falling in the shower could have been another cardiac incident. He would absolutely be required to release his medical records in order to be the nominee.

    And it seems to me (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:30:38 AM EST
    After all the money Bloomberg has spent getting his name and face out there there is no reason to assume all those Bloomberg voters are going to go to Biden.  
    I would think staying in through tues at least is the best way to grab the most delegates

    Last night I heard Charles Pierce, who usually knows what he is talking about, say Bloomberg has placed no ads after ST.   Aparrently he has time reserved but no ads for sure yet.

    That's interesting.


    I don't think they all will ... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:55:43 AM EST
    but probably enough to push Bloomberg out of viability in a number of states.

    I'm not convinced (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:57:36 AM EST
    Viability is his goal.

    Well, then he doesn't get delegates ... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:01:18 AM EST
    and he serves no function at the convention.

    Sorry (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:09:21 AM EST
    I was defining "viability" as a candidate not as a convention term

    Yes he will get delegates.  Last time I looked he was leading in my state.
    Recently TV has been brought to you by the Bloomberg campaign.  I've never seen any thing like it.  One after another after. Etc.

    But thing is the are not hard to watch.  They are not attack ads.  They are uplifting and beautifully done.  

    There are people who might prefer it to MY PILLOW.


    I was using to mean 15% (none / 0) (#44)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:49:46 AM EST
    which allows him to collect delegates statewide.

    Yes, got it (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:58:01 AM EST
    I was trying to say I'm not sure he really wants to be president.

    Political Wire (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:25:36 PM EST
    Why Bloomberg Is Staying In the Race

    March 1, 2020 at 8:42 am EST By Taegan Goddard 325 Comments

    "The Bloomberg campaign's internal data suggests if he dropped out now, it actually would improve Sanders' delegate path, one adviser told Axios. The explanation goes that Bloomberg draws votes away from Sanders as well as Biden, and that in places where Biden polls too low to be eligible for delegates, Bloomberg only hurts Sanders."

    If he wasn't (none / 0) (#16)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:51:19 AM EST
    In the race, wouldn't those non Sanders delegates go to Biden?

    By Bloomberg staying in, it allows The Bern to accumulate a much higher number of delegates than the #2 person , whomever that will be...Biden or Bloomberg


    No (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:55:07 AM EST
    It doesn't

    Biden (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:59:58 AM EST
    has to get to 15% in California or it may all be over toot sweet.  The difference between 14% and 15% in California is like 100 delegates....

    The (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by FlJoe on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:40:27 PM EST
    very latest poll,(taken mostly before SC) shows him at 19%, maybe an outlier but in the right direction and I think the SC bounce will give him the threshold probably with a few points to spare.

    Interestingly enough Warren appears to be a lock and Bloomberg does not, the polls mostly showing him plateauing everywhere. Super Tuesday is shaping up to be a huge experiment in how much love money can buy.


    Kornacki (none / 0) (#49)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:35:42 PM EST
    Has a delegate breakout, best scenario for Biden


    This would involve:
    • CA looking like the CBS poll today; Biden gets 19% and Warren hits the threshold too.
    • Biden gets wins across the South, some massive, and with Bloomberg missing thresholds
    • Biden makes thresholds in MA, MN, and CO
    • TX is close

    Peoples Pundit (none / 0) (#12)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 08:30:17 AM EST
    Polling and analysis, usually very good. Can't argue with him here as well


    Joe Biden's Coalition is still not a minority coalition and it isn't even a Black Democrat Coalition.
    It is a Southern Black Democrat Coalition.
    Bernie Sander has done very well among Black Democrats NOT in the South, including just behind Biden in Nevada.

    The question will be, how many Bernie voters can the Democrats afford to lose on election day  when they give the nomination to any candidate other than The Bern in a contested convention.

    I really can't believe it will be Biden, gaffe prone is not the word, it was looking to many that he is just too old for the job, and he ain't getting any younger

    What I want to know (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:48:13 PM EST
    is how can we give the nomination to a candidate like Bernie that won't even walk away with one delegate in an important swing state like Florida and who's theory of getting young people out to vote and the disenfranchised voter has already failed 4 times in the primary? Bernie would have to have a massive turnout of young people that has never happened in the history of the country and then win the majority of those voters. The party has given him a chance to prove that he can do what he says and he has not.  

    How did Sanders fans take the loss? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:08:35 AM EST
    Not well, not well at all.

    They "became" racist.

    Not a good look, Bernie Bros.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:22:27 AM EST

    That's a blast from the past, huh?

    Biden vs Sanders as the candidate

    Sanders, pretty much everyone agrees, will kill us down ticket.  Biden will not.
    The same people who would never ever vote for Sanders, old people, will vote for Biden.
    Sanders has the wee woke folk who are famously unreliable voters.  They have not even been showing up in these early primaries
    Biden has the two most reliable voting blocks in the country
    Old people, and black people.

    Like I said.  I want to win.


    I am (none / 0) (#30)
    by NoSides on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:57:32 AM EST
    more or less, a Sanders "fan".

    I did not take the loss to Biden very well at all.

    Sanders seems honest to me - and I consistently get from him a sincere desire to do something to help the American people.

    I do not ever feel from Sanders that he is running because of some ego trip, or a desire for power, or out of a sense of entitlement.

    I don't like Biden. I go back to his treatment of Anita Hill which was deplorable.

    And then there is his record:
    I quote from Jeralyn above:

    "Biden wrote the worst criminal justice bills of the last 35 years. He gave us mandatory minimums on drugs, crack at 100:1, increase in death penalty offenses, unfair time limitation of habeas claims, and he throws too much money and credibility to law enforcement. Considering the racially disparate effect of the legislation he wrote or spearheaded, it's absurd to me that South Carolinians favor him. To me, the biggest reason for the racially disparate effect of our criminal laws is Joe Biden, who spent 30 plus years in the Senate writing them (along with right-wing Republicans -- so much for bi-partisanship)."

    I do believe that Sanders can defeat Trump - and benefit the Democratic Party as well - giving us all a sense of fresh air and a new beginning.

    For me, Biden is a bleak presence, will lose to Trump, and bring everybody down with him.


    Others would disagree with that outlook ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:11:23 AM EST
    all indications are that Biden would be much better for down ticket races.

    And personally, to me, Bernie seems like a bit of a phony.  And not, personally, a good person.

    Regarding the crime bill, if you lived in the inner city at that time, which I did, there was a serious problem, something needed to be done.

    A bus stop in my neighborhood had to be shut down, and the bus re-routed because of the number of muggings at that stop.

    I was stabbed in a mugging and had guns pulled on me numerous times.  It was bad.

    Plus, at the time, it was very hard to see anyone involved in the crack trade as a "nonviolent drug offender".  Even if they weren't personally involved in violence.  That was such a violent business.

    I don't agree with everything in the crime bill. And there should have been sunset provisions on many of those clauses.  But it did help. And very quickly.


    There is no basis for believing (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 11:12:52 AM EST
    that excessive and mandatory sentences had any beneficial effect. Study after study has shown that increased severity of punishment does not enhance deterrence. (Increased probability of arrest and likelihood of reasonably prompt conviction do impact crime.) I am sorry about your personal experiences as a crime victim, but there is no connection between that and what was wrong about Biden's crime bills. Violence in the crack trade, like all violence around contraband, was and is driven by the opportunity for profit, relative to risk of criminal enforcement. Under Prohibition, the alcohol trade was a hotbed of criminal violence; when Prohibition was repealed, the violence ended.

    You have clearly won (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:52:01 PM EST
    the argument.  Few disagree with you now.

    Although Biden has bad votes in his past, I doubt he would make the same mistake twice.  Jim Clyburn owns his as*, and I doubt Clyburn would let Biden screw up on crime again.

    Ideally, we would punish candidates for their past poor votes by voting against him or her.  But, where we are reasonably sure they will not repeat the same mistake, the idea is to vote for someone going forward who can win and not fumble on policy.

    Biden was ahead of Obama on marriage equality, so he is not always a dinosaur.  


    Lots of mistakes were made 20+ years ago. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 03, 2020 at 03:16:39 PM EST
    Personally, I thought 20 years ago when I was working for the Hawaii House Speaker that the "Three Strikes" laws, which were then all the rage in statehouses across the country, were also extraordinarily shortsighted and needlessly punitive. Fast forward to today, and we're staring at an entrenched prison-industrial complex. But hey, what did I know, right?

    That said, I think it's very foolish in politics to hold grudges and burn bridges over votes taken 25 years ago. That's a sure-fired formula for eventual self-marginalization, because today's adversary on one particular issue might be tomorrow's invaluable ally on another.

    While I've maintained my personal values over the course of two or three decades in my profession, I like to think I've also evolved in my thinking and matured in my perspective as I've garnered wisdom from my life's experiences. I choose to assume that others have done likewise. Thus, I have to believe that the Joe Biden of 2020 is not the Joe Biden of 1990 or 1970.



    Yes, there are all kinds of arguments ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:00:08 PM EST
    but some action was needed.

    Remember, this wasn't like today, when the mass shootings take place in schools or public places and get breathless live coverage on cable news. And dominate the public conversation for days.

    When there was a shooting in my neighborhood, even if 20 cop cars showed up, it wasn't covered live, it usually wasn't covered at all in the papers or on TV.

    Sometimes a traffic report would vaguely refer to a "police action" as causing some congestion.

    And crime dropped dramatically not long after the passage of the crime bill. And has never risen to those highs again. Coincidence or result is up for scholarly debate. But I know what I believe.


    The Bloomberg Presidential Address (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 09:56:27 AM EST
    You know, Bloomberg's team has IMO done some really smart stuff.  Some smart stuff that looked dumb at first.  Like the Super Bowl ad.

    So I reserve judgement on this thing tonight.

    Bloomberg Will Run This Three-Minute "Address To The Nation" On Coronavirus "Crisis" Sunday Night On CBS And NBC

    My first reaction was.......um,  really?

    But who knows.  I watched a bit of it and it really is soothing to see someone talk like a president.  Even if he's not the president.  I guess.

    Like I said these are really smart guys so it might work better than we think it will.

    This is a smart thing ... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 10:02:13 AM EST
    to do.

    Both Biden and Sanders (none / 0) (#47)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:00:16 PM EST
    will cause problems if nominated.  Sanders is suppose to cause a problem down ballot while Biden means the Bernie Bros will not vote for him.

    But it seems like the Bernie Bros not voting for Biden means they will also not vote for dems down ballot.  Maybe I could be wrong about this but it still seems like two bad options.

    Surveys have shown that ... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 12:15:40 PM EST
    people who would vote for Biden but not Bernie would have a more profound effect.

    Just the other day, FiveThirtyEight covered one such survey.


    Saying one bad option (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:45:30 PM EST
    is better than the other bad option does not mean both are not bad options.

    I am also not sold on that survey.  As 538 noted

    Now, some of that is probably related to one downside of our survey -- we don't have any respondents under the age of 30.

    Leaving out the core of Sanders supporters seems to be a really big downside.


    Watching Sanders with his big crowd yesterday ... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:15:37 PM EST
    I was wondering how many voters saw that as ominous rather inspiring?

    That he struck them as more Senator Palpatine than Barack Obama.

    I think many will see Bernie (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:20:45 PM EST
    As more of the same.  By just about every metric he the Blue Trump.  Just as divisive almost as loony.  
    The primary choice is more drama or (hopefully) less drama.

    Drama often wins.


    Just watching him with his crowd ... (none / 0) (#61)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:30:15 PM EST
    if felt more villain than hero.

    Or, at the very least, something concerning rather than inspiring.


    He was on (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:17:29 PM EST
    George S. today and looked terrible. And he again was lying about his behavior in 2016. Does he not think it's all on tape from then?

    That's (none / 0) (#62)
    by FlJoe on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:52:40 PM EST
    why we are seeing a bit of a Biden surge as a lot of people get a yearning for the good old no drama Obama days.

    By every metric and just as loony (none / 0) (#67)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:20:38 PM EST
    You're f*ckin' loony.

    How about the (apparently unimportant) "metric" of policy?

    It's not hard to zero-in on things Trump and his minions are simply dead-wrong about e.g. radical deregulation, gutting important infrastructure, stacking courts with conservatives, Guns R Us, abortion-is-murder etc etc

    Can you perform the same exercise with the dreaded Sith Lord Ernesto "Che" Sanders? Not quite as easily, I'd imagine.


    Sanders policy (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:32:17 PM EST
    To the extent there is one is dead on arrival.  about 99% at least

    Sure, he can do executive orders.  Welcome back to Trumpland.

    As far as looney, there's video.  Don't make me link to it.


    Theres video? (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 03:06:06 PM EST
    Really? It's come to that? How about throwing in a little Grassy Knoll and Chupacabra footage while you're at it. Just things interesting.

    Public Access (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 03:13:39 PM EST
    The best kind

    I'll buy that Sanders (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 03:31:39 PM EST
    is the only candidate with compromising video out there about as much as I buy that Russia is the only country that meddles in our elections.

    this was one of Gore's dumber ideas, and it hasn't (none / 0) (#59)
    by cpinva on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 01:21:21 PM EST
    gotten any smarter since he first proposed it:

    "Ideally I would like a candidate who prioritizes a lockbox on our social security"

    exactly how would that work, exactly? i ask, because, well, it displays a distinct lack of knowledge about how our gov't, and it's finances/accounting system works. where would those SS Trust Fund monies be put, where they'd never be touched (and never earn interest), until needed to cover a period shortfall in current receipts? in a mattress? maybe put in coffee cans, and buried in the White House gardens?

    Social Security (FICA) revenues are already dedicated funds, they cannot, by law, be used/expended for anything but that, so a "lockbox" isn't just not needed, it's an incredibly vacuous concept, even for a bumper sticker.

    full disclosure: I'm a retired CPA/Federal Agent, who's probably forgotten more about tax law than everyone on this site ever learned to begin with.

    After Tuesday (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 01, 2020 at 02:39:02 PM EST
    Closed Primaries Present New Hurdle for Sanders

    March 1, 2020 at 2:35 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 25 Comments

    Dan Balz: "No day on this year's primary-caucus calendar sets up any better for Sanders than this year's Super Tuesday. Beyond that, primaries in the future are mostly closed, denying Sanders the votes of independents, one of his best constituencies."

    "Campaign strategists can't say just how well Sanders will be positioned after Super Tuesday. There are simply too many variables -- too many candidates, too much fluidity and too many combinations about possible outcomes. Campaigns have been modeling the states and constantly tweaking internal projections. As one strategist put it: `It's an insane Rubik's cube.'"

    Drumpf already set the age record (none / 0) (#75)
    by Jack E Lope on Mon Mar 02, 2020 at 01:32:35 PM EST
    In 2017, Drumpf was the oldest person ever to be inaugurated to a first term as POTUS*, at 71.  

    Drumpf, Sanders, Biden or Bloomberg - any of those will set a new record in 2021 as the oldest person ever inagurated to any term of the office of POTUS.   Warren would set a new first-term record.

    However, there is so much variation in the ways people decline with age that assessment of someone's capabilities by their age-in-years is more like guidelines than actual rules.

    *Reagan currently holds the oldest-any-term-record, at 73 for his 2nd-term inauguration.  The only way I think that Reagan's record can stand is if the current officeholder stays in office by some method that no longer requires an inaguration....