Happy New Year At Last (and open thread)

Happy New Year, everyone!

May the vaccines work, and may 2021 see the end of the rampage of COVID-19. Let us not let the lives of those we lost be in vain. Please heed science and not the word of elected politicians.

Take a moment to be proud that we, the voters, cast off the most undeserving, unprincipled, soul-less man to ever be given a desk in the oval office. Let him stew in Palm Beach, which will become like a prison to him, even if he's never arrested or charged with a crime.

Indeed, the pump don't work when the vandals steal the handles, but America just grabbed them back.

Here's to a Healthy, Safer, Trump-free world in 2021.

With much gratitude to our readers,


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    Happy New Year TL!!! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 10:33:23 AM EST
    Woke up hopeful for all the reasons Jeralyn says.I know it is just an arbitrary date line in the sand but I'm going with it for a while.

    Leaving the TV off today, need a break. Trump is back in DC for his final couple of weeks of fake relevance and acting out. He was not going to miss it, much as I hoped. Or maybe Palm Beach is really going to enforce that non-residency agreement.

    I watched Bridgerton this week and completely enjoyed it. Perfect escape.

    I also started watching The Madalorian, which really is as entertaining as a space western as everyone said. Reminds me of the shows we had when I was a kid except they didn't have anything as cute as Baby Yoda.

    OK, I might turn on the TV to try to find some of the movies on the top 10 lists that I have not even heard of. Nomadland and First Cow seem like things I would like.

    Anyway have a great day everyone. It's getting better.

    Happy New Year (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 12:02:40 PM EST
    I binge watched Madalorian after temporarily signing up for Disney+. I also enjoyed it. After watching it, I wished I had a small great grandchild so that I could buy them a baby Yoda toy. Of course, I would then be able to play with it as well.

    Happy New Year to everyone.


    If you still have (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 02:43:42 PM EST
    Disney+, watch Soul. I liked it.

    You're allowed (none / 0) (#14)
    by Zorba on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 04:50:47 PM EST
    To buy yourself one!
    Happy New Year, MO Blue!

    Get one for yourself (none / 0) (#19)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:42:06 AM EST
    I got myself a  stuffed Sven reindeer from Frozen a couple of years ago. It's adorable and I love it. Of course it doubles as Christmas decor, because I'm practical :-)

    LOL Maybe I could find (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 10:06:06 AM EST
    a little Santa hat for baby Yoda and convince myself that it was a Christmas decoration and practical.

    I'm here to help! (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 10:16:44 AM EST
    I can rationalize anything!

    Another good show - I discovered that the BBC did a series based on Vikram Seth's huge novel A Suitable Boy, now of my all time favorites. It's about two families, Hindu and Muslim, in 40's-50's India navigating the India-Pakistan partition, arranging marriages, rejecting arranged marriages, and life in general. The series is streaming on Acorn - I did not catch it ever broadcast on PBS, at least where I lived.  Mira Nair directed it and it is gorgeous, wonderful writing and acting. I have not finished it yet - seems like a perfect thing to dive back into today.


    Series sounds really interesting (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 01:48:44 PM EST
    Might need to check into it.

    I did manage to buy a talking alligator on my river boat trip down the Mississippi. He repeats everything he hears. He had my server at dinner almost rolling on the floor, she was laughing so hard. He also did a pretty mean sing along. He got a kangaroo buddy on my trip to Australia. He hops as well as talks.  They are not bad pandemic buddies.


    He is (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 10:55:40 AM EST
    back in DC because it is part of the grift. Definitely can't grift the Quidiots that think he is going to be president for another term and have the GOP flip the election January 6th. I hope PB does enforce the agreement they made with Trump but I am not counting on it.

    Nice 2 C U! (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 11:10:58 AM EST
    And Happy new year

    If you have not done EPIX you should try it.  There are several original series worth your time.   I currently doing Deep State which I like.  You would probably like Belgravia.  Perpetual Grace and Godfather of Harlem are definitely worth the time.
    Britannia is my favorite.  That's has a 3rd season coming.

    EPIX also has some very good movies you don't find elsewhere.  

    EPIX originals


    Pennyworth (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 11:12:01 AM EST
    Is really excellent.

    Hi there! Happy New Year to you! (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:53:16 AM EST
    I did sign up for Epix to watch Belgravia, which I loved. Also watched something else there...but can't remember. May have been one of the shows you mentioned. I'm at the point where I can't member what I have watched already in the last couple of years until I am halfway through the first episode.

    There is so much out there I find myself paralyzed by the choices. So I watch The Wire again.

    I saw WW84 New Years Eve. I liked it, though I did fall asleep in the middle which may have been a blessing.


    The director of WW (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 12:38:45 PM EST
    and Gal (great name) are doing Cleopatra.  Can't wait.  

    Gal Gadot, Patty Jenkins Team on `Cleopatra' for Paramount


    But I gotta say (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 12:40:32 PM EST
    I would be more excited about a Lady Gaga Cleopatra.

    Now that would be interesting (none / 0) (#134)
    by ruffian on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 12:07:46 PM EST
    I can really see it. She looks more like Cleopatra, who was not what we think of as beautiful now. Do we know who is playing Caesar and Antony?

    I think it's just rumors (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:41:42 PM EST
    Probably less likely because of the Gal version.  Too bad.

    We celebrating New Years Eve (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 11:07:58 AM EST
    with our oldest daughter, her husband, and our 22-month-old grandson. They live in NYC (we are just outside Phila), but they have been "podding" with us (following self-quarantines and negative test for all) since a week before Christmas. They will be here another two weeks, between semesters of college teaching for both of them. One of my wife's lo-bono clients celebrated their victory of winning his release from years of post-incarceration supervision by giving her (us) two fresh-frozen 4-pound lobsters, which we thawed and then boiled last night. They fed everyone elegantly, although getting to the meat is a lot of work; I hadn't realized how much harder the shell gets when the lobster is bigger. In the tradition of my parents, whose annual indulgence was shrimp cocktail and lobster (boiled live) on NYE with one couple of old friends. Today, my wife made hoppin' john, in the New Year's tradition of her Kentucky ancestors. Best to all -- especially good health -- for what has to be a better New Year.

    Having parents from MS, (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 08:05:09 PM EST
    Hoppin' John was dinner tonight. With a bit of Campbell's tomato soup on the side.

    Proofread twice, and still (none / 0) (#4)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 11:10:30 AM EST
    didn't see "celebrating" for "celebrated" until it  posted. Naturally.

    Not being a southern or being (none / 0) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 12:17:51 PM EST
    familiar with its traditions, you made me google hoppin' john.

    My aunt was a firm believer in Pickled Herring bringing good luck if eaten when celebrating the New Year.


    Black eyed (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 01:15:36 PM EST
    peas are supposed to be good luck or give you pocket change or both. My grandmother from Charleston made hopping john every year for New Year's. I had no idea it had expanded past the low country of SC.

    Ha! (none / 0) (#11)
    by leap on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 03:13:02 PM EST
    We grew up with pickled herring at New Year. That was from my Mom's side of the family. My grandparents were from Austro-Hungary (Wien/Prague). My brothers and I carry on. Oh yummmm.....

    There is. doc on CNN (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:56:24 PM EST
    In minutes about Carters relationship with rock and roll.


    They would not have done this (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 10:16:09 AM EST
    if they were not hearing things from their Pentagon sources that worried them

    All ten living secretaries of defense -- including Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, and Donald Rumsfield -- signed an open letter about the military and the peaceful transfer of power:

    "As senior Defense Department leaders have noted, `there's no role for the U.S. military in determining the outcome of a U.S. election.' Efforts to involve the U.S. armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory. Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures would be accountable, including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic."

    David Frum: "That letter from 10 former SecDefs warning against Trump using the military to hold onto power causes me to wonder: Has Trump been making calls to US generals like that he made to Georgia secretary of state, demanding or threatening they help him overturn the 2020 election?"


    Good odds (none / 0) (#106)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 11:15:19 AM EST
    For betting the farm on this.  Probably not the big generals, but    the Trumpist civilians he recently installed.

    A Quick Question (none / 0) (#9)
    by msaroff on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 12:21:39 PM EST
    What blogging platform and comment system do you use on TL?

    Getting sick and tired of Google's "updates" to Blogspot that are worse than thier predecessor.

    Masaroff, it is (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 04:07:36 PM EST
    called Scoop and it is defunct and outdated. I have the new Wordpress site up, but no one knows how to transfer the posts/comments from Scoop to Wordpress unless I pay thousands of dollars, which obviously I won't. So the choice is either seal this site and keep it online (maybe as "old.talkleft.com") and make the new wordpress site talkleft.com (it is presently at "premium.talkleft.com". I like the new site so much more because it is bigger, and I've been updating the theme, wordpress and add-ons since 2016, but until I figure out what to do with the 19.5 years of posts and comments on this site, I'm kind of stuck.

    forgot to link (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 04:08:26 PM EST
    to the new site -- it is here.

    19.5 years (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 05:07:24 PM EST

    We are very old Capt (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:45:20 AM EST
    I can't even remember to go to the new site. Jeralyn is going to have to force us over there eventually!

    I'm afraid to look at the old comments. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:56:41 AM EST
    This site is the closest thing I have to a diary. Someday I'll take a look back and cringe like I used to do when I tried to keep personal journals.

    But your comments will make me laugh, so I should do it anyway.


    Republicans in disarray (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 05:13:13 PM EST
    A new party (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2021 at 08:22:58 PM EST

    William Cohen, a former GOP senator and Defense secretary under former President Clinton, blasted Republican lawmakers in a CNN interview.

    Said Cohen: "We have to remember that the current occupant of the White House is a ringmaster and what he expects to do is snap his whip and all the elephants hop up on chairs. What they have to understand is he is going to continue to snap the whip whether he's in office or out of office. And every time they're going to have to jump up and sit on that stool to satisfy him and his supporters."

    He added: "Maybe it's time for a new party. One that abides by the rule of law... but also faithful to the people of this country, who vote to elect them."



    Maybe they can call it the Whig Party (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Coral on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 09:43:48 AM EST
    Happy New Year to Jeralyn and everyone here.

    I always love visiting. It is one of the few old favorites that still exists, or that I still follow. So much better than Facebook and Twitter that seem to have taken over the old blogosphere.


    Wow. Wish he had said it 3 years ago, but (none / 0) (#20)
    by ruffian on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:43:16 AM EST
    what a fantastic analogy. That is going to stick.

    Biggest problem (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 03:02:14 PM EST
    the GOP has these days is their inability to self reflect as to why Trump was picked by their voters.

    all gone to hell (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 10:15:27 AM EST
    the speaker's vote intrigue is being overshadowed by an all-out GOP civil war in the Senate. Three days after Mitch McConnell told his colleagues that the vote to certify the presidential election results on Jan. 6 would be "the most consequential I have ever cast," a dozen Republican senators have now publicly endorsed objecting to the Electoral College tallies that will make Joe Biden's victory official.

    In short, there's a growing rebellion inside the GOP conference instigated by President Donald Trump, who promises more GOP senators will join the effort and also called for mass protests in D.C. on Wednesday. (Yes, the Proud Boys and right-wing militias will be there, and, yes, there is cause for concern about the prospect of violence.)

    We can't say this emphatically enough: This does not happen to Mitch McConnell. For four years, the Senate leader has managed to maintain order in his ranks as Trump unleashes daily mayhem on the GOP from the White House. That's all gone to hell.



    I think they (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 12:56:40 PM EST
    know Mitch's days as majority leader are numbered and frankly one of the reasons the GOP may lose control of the senate is because of Mitch. Everybody seems to know that Mitch will pass nothing and do nothing but gum up the works in DC.

    Now Raffensperger has given the WaPo a tape of Trump beginning him to overturn the results here in GA. I guess this is another salvo in the GOP civil war.


    Democratic Underground is carrying (none / 0) (#67)
    by desertswine on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 01:17:19 PM EST
    this tape of Trump's phone call.  It seems to be excerpts but trump can really put the pressure on. Trump is a scary guy, he's threatening them to change the election results.

    That sure (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 02:37:13 PM EST
    has to sting in the runoff. Trump certainly knows he lost and is spinning and attempting to get the SOS to commit a crime.

    This is an impeachable (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 03:10:47 PM EST
    offense, and despite the little time remaining in his term, the House should quickly impeach him, even though it would have the same fate in the senate. The tape, too, should make the Hawley/Cruz coup an albatross.

    Hey Ted (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 03:30:01 PM EST
    Have fun with your election challenge thingie.

    I really hope Raffensperger (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 03:37:18 PM EST
    and his family have good personal security

    The Trump (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 04:59:29 PM EST
    Plan may be to extort Georgia officials to withdraw its certification so that the Republican senate can refuse to consider the results.  As far as we know, they have not gone to    those states e.g. PA,MI, Wi. with Democratic administrations to. Help with their theft.  It is sufficiently looney to be their working starter for the coup.

    I wish him luck with that (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:25:41 PM EST
    They are playing the call pretty much non stop on CNN.

    It's just stream of consciousness nonsense.  Gobbledygook.  

    Still it's really nothing he has not been tweeted no for weeks.  I don't think this will change many mines in f the public.  It might change so elected minds.  What happens now with The Red Bull Putsch will be most interesting.


    I will try (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:27:16 PM EST
    for more typos next time.

    the Dems really cannot let this (none / 0) (#76)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:06:18 PM EST
    latest action by Trump go without holding him accountable. Taking the position that we will just move forward is IMO almost as big a threat to our democracy as Trump and his sycophants actions.

    Come on (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:31:05 PM EST
    MO. "Latest action"? Now you are being too polite, it's a fkng crime.

    Yes, you are right (none / 0) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:37:10 PM EST
    I was being too polite. It is his latest crime and letting it go will confirm that the President is above the law.

    The name they keep "beeping out" (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:56:26 PM EST
    on CNN has got to be Stacy Abrams, right?

    I wonder if she might have some legal response to the outrageous accusations. Assuming it's her.


    The head of the GA Republican Party (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 06:08:49 PM EST
    Just said Trump has filed 2 lawsuits, state and federal, saying the call was illegally recorded

    Per CNN


    The Reporters Committee on Freedom of (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 06:41:18 PM EST
    the Press, which is generally considered the go-to on his subject, says Georgia law allows any one participant in a phone conversation to record (and disclose) the conversation. So does the District of Columbia. So I have no idea what they could be suing about.

    Don't think he needs an "about" (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 06:59:37 PM EST
    This is just (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:21:42 PM EST
    another one of his nonsense lawsuits like the election lawsuits.

    My Ears Told Me (none / 0) (#93)
    by RickyJim on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:40:34 PM EST
    that the call was recorded in Trump's office.  The Georgia officials and Trump's lawyers were recorded off the phone.  So some rat close to Trump must be the one who gave it to the WaPo.

    I think it might just sound that way (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 08:23:01 PM EST
    because only has one volume.  Remember in the impeachment trial when the guy talked about overhearing a cell phone call that was not on speaker.

    From the outraged tweets I would say the SoS or his lawyer released the call.


    John Dean agrees with you (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 09:20:19 AM EST
    If the Dems win both (none / 0) (#119)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 05, 2021 at 11:28:18 PM EST
    Senate races, I would love to see Biden nominate Sally Yates for Attorney General.

    Why? Is she not the leading candidate (none / 0) (#120)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 08:59:30 AM EST
    who is least likely to oversee the reforms and other changes that we need in federal law enforcement, both in the courtroom and in terms of legislative agenda?

    Not sure that is true (none / 0) (#121)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:23:54 AM EST
    Former acting Attorney General Sally Yates isn't giving up on reforming the nation's criminal justice system.

    "I don't believe criminal justice reform is dead. It may be on life support, but it isn't dead," she said while speaking to a packed house at Georgetown Law on Wednesday afternoon.
    Every dollar being spent to keep someone in prison for longer than they need to be, Yates said, is a dollar that could go to law enforcement and inmate reform programs to make communities safer.

    "If we're as willing to invest in education as much as we are in building prisons, I can't help but believe that we would be in a much stronger position on the prevention side," she said.

    The Hill

    Jones would be good but Garland gets mixed reviews.


    I wonder if Biden (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:26:15 AM EST
    Might look further now.  A lot of people would like to see a person of color as AG.  

    Preet (none / 0) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 09:37:47 AM EST

    Preet has maintained (via his podcast) (none / 0) (#124)
    by leap on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 10:04:02 AM EST
    that he is not interested in AG.

    They just announced (none / 0) (#125)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 11:17:59 AM EST
    that Biden will pick Garland.

    A little surprised (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 11:27:18 AM EST
    Would have put him third after Jones and Yates.

    Biden (none / 0) (#128)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 11:44:31 AM EST
    may be thinking along the lines of President Gerald Ford.  He picked Ed Levi, president of the University of Chicago and former dean of its law school.  

    Then, as now, the DOJ needs repair and restoration.  Garland is a good choice for that task.  And, after Georgia, a Democratic nominee for his replacement can be confirmed--- a young, liberal thinker.



    A young, liberal thinker? (none / 0) (#129)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 12:38:54 PM EST
    I will look forward to Biden being bold enough to pick a young, liberal thinker rather than picking a safer moderate choice that will not ruffle the feathers of Republicans.

    While repair and restoration is necessary, I would prefer it to be accompanied by bold action on criminal justice reform. I am not confident that Garland will move boldly on that front or on ensuring that all those who have broken the law will be held accountable regardless of their position, past or present.

    On the appeals court, Garland has been a moderate liberal, with a definite pro-prosecution bent in criminal cases. Indeed, his views in the area of criminal law are considerably more conservative than those of the man he would replace, Justice Antonin Scalia.


    "I don't think Garland looks at who is president," said Chapman University law professor Ronald Rotunda, a conservative. "I think he's deferential to executive power."


    Know this person? (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 12:53:20 PM EST
    A source familiar with the discussions tells NBC News that Biden advisers have discussed Ketanji Brown Jackson, currently a judge on the U.S. District Court for DC, to replace Merrick Garland on the DC Circuit after he is confirmed as Attorney General.

    She is 50 (none / 0) (#131)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 01:06:51 PM EST
    From Wiki, it looks like she has a strong criminal reform background. If chosen, she would prove me wrong on Biden picking a more moderate replacement.



    Latest news is that Biden picked (none / 0) (#127)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 11:39:06 AM EST
    Merrick Garland for AG. Good "to oversee the reforms and other changes that we need in federal law enforcement?" Not so sure.

    On the appeals court, Garland has been a moderate liberal, with a definite pro-prosecution bent in criminal cases. Indeed, his views in the area of criminal law are considerably more conservative than those of the man he would replace, Justice Antonin Scalia.



    My understanding (none / 0) (#132)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 06, 2021 at 04:23:40 PM EST
    about Garland and I could be wrong here is that he is an expert in RICO and white supremacist terrorism. So his skill set may be a match for what is needed to move forward.

    here's the whole "tape" (none / 0) (#86)
    by leap on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 06:17:56 PM EST
    via the WaPo. Scroll down a bit. The first audio consists of excerpts. The second is the whole audio, "edited to remove the name of an individual about whom the president makes unsubstantiated allegations."

    At one point he refers to (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:27:25 PM EST
    The person as "she".  I thought Abrams but listening more closely it sounds like he talking about a specific election official.

    According to my oldest grandson, (none / 0) (#77)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:15:11 PM EST
    social media is burning up with the younger generation hating on Mitch for blocking the $2,000. supplemental check.

    It would be really nice if they remember how detrimental  having McConnell as the majority leader is to their well-being the next time they vote for Senators.


    The excuse for what's coming (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 12:35:31 PM EST
    "But if bottom line is, the court is saying, `We're not going to touch this. You have no remedy' -- basically, in effect, the ruling would be that you gotta go the streets and be as violent as Antifa and BLM."

    -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX), on Newsmax, on his attempts to overturn the electoral vote.

    add in these seditious Senators (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by leap on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 02:44:05 PM EST
    "11 Republican Senators Plan to Back Futile Bid to Overturn Biden's Election", led by Ayatollah Ted Cruz. Stuff is getting really, really dangerous.

    The Congregational Republicans (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 03:32:04 PM EST
    need to be held accountable for any violence that results from their actions. Every time they tweet, every time they run for office and are out on the campaign trail, they and the public needs to be reminded of the blood on their hands.

    You know any violence (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 03:52:31 PM EST
    Will be excused with both sides krap about the demonstrations last summer.    It's nonsense of course but 40% of the public will be good with it.

    I'm afraid.  Depending on how bad it gets.  

    I'm afraid it will get bad.  I don't think these elected republicans understand the powder keg they are setting on fire.  I really don't.


    It is time we start ignoring what they (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 07:44:18 PM EST
    Say in response and just repeat over and over and over again.

    You tried to overthrow our democracy and you have blood on your hands. You are complicit with the Proud Boys and the Nazis and you have blood on your hands. Repeated often enough and it will get through to a portion of the population.


    The thing is (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 07:55:10 PM EST
    I honestly don't think there is a person in the country who does not already know this.  60ish% think it bad 40ish% are totally fine with it.

    IMO there is no "getting through" to the 40.  There is just what we do now.

    I don't have a clue.


    The (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:17:42 AM EST
    problem being that the 40% are "louder" than the rest, that's the main reason their propaganda works.

    The 60% needs to start shouting "treason" at the top of their lungs and drown them out.


    Yep (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 08:32:28 AM EST
    We need to be completely focused on our message.

    Tomasky (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 04:03:28 PM EST
    In a column for the Daily Beast, longtime political observer Michael Tomasky warned that Sen. Josh Hawley is making a major move to round up Donald Trump's rabid followers as he contemplates the race for the GOP presidential nomination in 2024.

    As Tomasky writes, the Stanford and Yale Law School grad shouldn't be underestimated because he's fanatically ambitious and has a deep understanding of what makes Trump's voters tick.

    I'm think so too (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 03:05:02 PM EST
    this thing on the 6th could get out of hand.  And the just keep stoking the fire.

    I was talking (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 03:11:49 PM EST
    to a friend of mine and we were wondering what was going to happen on the 6th. Another Charlottesville?

    I think it will be worse than Charlottesville. (none / 0) (#40)
    by leap on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 05:14:53 PM EST
    Many more "main-stream" Republicans are involved, whipping up the rubes. Rubes with guns and sticky brains and unvented anger. Glad I'm 3,000 miles away. But I really feel for the people in DC who have no part of this. The media will be all over the place, too, drooling for action.

    At least all the Nazis are out in the open (none / 0) (#39)
    by desertswine on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 05:11:33 PM EST
    now. (As if no one knew who they were anyway.)

    Exactly (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 05:31:46 PM EST
    A lot of this is oral flatulence but it's disturbing how honest and eager they are.  Trump has given them permission and congressional republicans are happy to help.

    Will anyone be held accountable?  It's all on Trump.  Every bit of it.

    Buried deep in a report claiming Donald Trump has no intention of walking away meekly after Congress certifies the 2020 presidential election on January 6th, the Daily Beast reports that "diehard' fans of the president are openly threatening violence the day they descend upon Washington D.C. for a "Stop the Steal" rally the president is promoting.

    With the president suggesting to aides he may make a public address to the gathering-- meant to counter the election certification process on the Senate floor -- fans of the president are boasting they will bring a "literal war" to the streets of D.C.

    According to the report, "the protesters' mood ahead of the Jan. 6 protest has turned even more desperate."

    "Trump diehards from across the country have organized their travel to Washington on 'The Donald' forum," the Beast's report states. "One of the hottest topics on the site is how protesters can bring guns to D.C., which would count as a local crime in nearly all circumstances under Washington's strict gun laws. Others have talked about breaking into federal buildings or committing violence against law enforcement officers who try to stop them from storming Congress."

    One comment that received approving nods stated, "I'm thinking it will be literal war on that day. Where we'll storm offices and physically remove and even kill all the D.C. traitors and reclaim the country."

    Forgot (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 05:35:22 PM EST
    Pence (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 06:43:49 PM EST
    Vice President Mike Pence's office released a statement on efforts by some GOP lawmakers to invalidate the Electoral College vote:

    "Vice President Pence shares the concerns of millions of Americans about voter fraud and irregularities in the last election."

    "The Vice President welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6th."

    As my Mom would say, (none / 0) (#45)
    by leap on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 06:55:09 PM EST
    oh, for crying out loud.

    Dogdamned quislings. The Republican party--just horrible, awful people.


    That is a rather remarkable statement (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 07:12:22 PM EST
    It's like the entire Pence vice presidency in a couple of paragraphs.

    It says absolutely nothing.  He's pleased to see Cruz and the others gut our democratic system and string it up to bleed out  because he knows better than anyone it will result in exactly nothing but theater. And he is happy to play his part.

    And he just says it.  Remarkable.


    Cruz and Hawley (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 07:17:54 PM EST
    scramble to lead the Trumpites while Mitt speaks to the other wing.  Unfortunately so far Mitt is pretty much a party of one.

    "I could never have imagined seeing these things in the greatest democracy in the world. Has ambition so eclipsed principle?"

    -- Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT), in a statement blasting the "egregious ploy" of his Republican colleagues to invalidate electoral votes.

    Sure, if they have "evidence" of this (none / 0) (#50)
    by Peter G on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 07:58:35 PM EST
    imaginary gigantic invisible fraud scheme, let them bring it forward "on January 6," as Pence says. They've had two months to do the investigation. Nothing new can possibly be discovered during some crackpot "Commission" audit (whatever that is that would be different from the recounts and audits that have already occurred) or investigation (led by Kris Kobach again?) over the ensuing "ten days." (How would a "commission" even be established and put in motion to report in ten days?) So, carefully read, Pence's statement actually does not support Cruz's proposal.

    No (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:06:21 PM EST
    It does not support it.   It "welcomes" it.

    Like I said it's besutifully crafted to say nothing.

    And of course you are right about nothing happening as a result. .  That is exactly my point.

    You can make the argument you just made.  I can also make the argument that by welcoming it he does support it.  

    Thats is the point.


    Well, no, he pretends at first to say that (none / 0) (#53)
    by Peter G on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:45:40 PM EST
    he "welcomes" it, but when he spell out in the statement what it is that he actually "welcomes," it turns out to be something different from what Cruz et al. have proposed. That is, the presentation of evidence "on January 6," not the establishment of a "Commission."

    As I said (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:53:50 PM EST
    IMO making either argument is pointless   But if I did I would  probably ask why on earth anyone would "welcome" the further discussion and legitimization of the ridiculous outrageous destructive and dangerous lie that the election was stolen.

    Why on earth would anyone welcome this.

    Oh, right.  To prove, for the thousandth time it's a lie.   It will definitely work THIS time.   Good idea.


    Yeah, Pence doesn't support it. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:42:42 PM EST
    Just like Gohmert doesn't support violence in the streets after the dismissal.

    I have been pretty gloomy (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 08:58:57 PM EST
    In this thread.  

    I actually think Cruz and Hawley and the gang have themselves an ACME dynamite kit.  And it going to blow up in their faces.

    I am insufferably optimistic but i think this is a bridge to far.  I really do.  If it isn't we are f'cked and authoritarianism is a given.  Eventually.  So I hope it is.


    Especially (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 09:07:48 PM EST
    If there is real violence on the 6th.  And seriously, how can there not be.

    I have less fear of Gohmert fomenting violence (none / 0) (#56)
    by Peter G on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 09:05:09 PM EST
    than I do of Gohmert filing an emergency appeal to the Fifth Circuit. So if this horrible tweet means that his attorneys are not filing an appeal, I'm actually somewhat relieved. By the way, planning and promoting a violent attack on Congress is in fact an instance of seditious conspiracy.

    Well, I was wrong (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Peter G on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 10:46:41 PM EST
    Despite saying there was nothing he could do other than call for violence, Gohmert in fact filed for an emergency appeal to the Fifth Circuit. A three-judge panel immediately issued a one-page order affirming the dismissal of the case.

    Last available court remedy (none / 0) (#64)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 12:33:10 PM EST
    for Gohmert would appear to be an "emergency" application to the Supreme Court. (A renewal of the appeal to the full Fifth Circuit "en banc" is also possible, I suppose, but after a summary, unanimous 3-judge panel denial, is not all that likely.) A Supreme Court application would fall within Justice Alito's jurisdiction, as he presently handles incidental and emergent matters out of the Fifth Circuit (which encompasses Texas). Alito would have two basic options, each with three sub-options. First: deal with it himself, or "refer it to the [full] Court." Either way, one of three things would then happen: grant some interim relief (highly improbable), deny it out of hand (improbable but less so), or not treat it as an emergency and let it sit until it becomes moot after Wednesday (most likely).

    I guess I dorked up the link, (none / 0) (#62)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 10:33:57 AM EST
    Was supposed to link to the the Dallas Morning News.

    I'm two episodes into Raised By Wolves (none / 0) (#43)
    by McBain on Sat Jan 02, 2021 at 05:55:31 PM EST
    on HBO Max and it's really good. Ridley Scott is an executive producer and he directed the first two episodes.  If you like dark sci fi, you should check this out.  

    Senator Chris Murphy (D. CT), (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 12:04:21 PM EST
    Caution.  It's a mistake to assume Republicans who are trying to overthrow the election are doing it for "political" reasons.

    Many (maybe most) are actually fine to dispense with democracy if that's what is necessary to keep Republicans in office.

    That is exactly what is meant by (none / 0) (#65)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 12:34:22 PM EST
    a "political" reason. I don't understand his point.

    Yes, I wondered (none / 0) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 01:46:13 PM EST
    about that, too.  I interpreted the seeming inconsistency as the Republicans actions were not so much for ambitions to advance in the Democratic system as to jettison the Democratic system of governance if that is what it takes to stay in power.  Maybe, a polite way of saying these Republicans = fascists, and what they are doing = a coup..

    Wanna bet? (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 04:41:20 PM EST
    I've been seeing this commercial so I googled

    HealthyWager allows you to place a "bet" on your weight loss. At registration, you lay down your bet (you can pay all at once or once per month for the duration of your challenge). We pay your prize if you have achieved and maintained your goal at the end of the challenge.

    Genius.  Makes the casino industry look risky.


    Speaker Pelosi 4.0 (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 04:43:02 PM EST

    "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), the only woman to serve as speaker, was reelected by a narrow margin in a closely divided House. The final vote came hours after it began as lawmakers were forced to vote in groups of about 72, a precaution dictated by the coronavirus pandemic," the Washington Post reports.

    Remember Oumuamua? (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:46:21 PM EST
    In other weird news... (none / 0) (#99)
    by desertswine on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 11:58:25 PM EST
    A former Israeli space security chief has sent eyebrows shooting heavenward by saying that earthlings have been in contact with extraterrestrials from a "galactic federation."

    "The Unidentified Flying Objects have asked not to publish that they are here, humanity is not ready yet," Haim Eshed, former head of Israel's Defense Ministry's space directorate, told Israel's Yediot Aharonot newspaper.


    30 Coins (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 05:54:23 PM EST
    This is (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 09:15:10 PM EST

    Of course he does (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:08:43 PM EST
    Nunes to Get Presidential Medal of Freedom

    January 3, 2021 at 7:23 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 102 Comments

    President Trump on Monday is expected to give Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, the Washington Post reports.

    Trump -- who is using his final days in the White House in part to reward friends and allies with pardons and other decorations -- is also expected to give Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), another confidant, the same award next week.

    The Presidential Medal of Freedom (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 09:45:18 AM EST
    became a meaningless trinket the day Rush Limbaugh was given one. It won't even get you a latte at Starbucks.

    After this call to the GA (none / 0) (#92)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:36:13 PM EST
    Secretary of State, Trump has got to self pardon.

    I heard a discussion about that (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 07:49:21 PM EST
    with some smart people who said if he did that it would almost guarantee the feds would indict him just because they could not allow such an outrageous act to stand.

    Doesn't really sound like "legal" thinking but it does make some sense since it would only be tested if he was charged with something.

    Seems like there will be quite a variety of violations to choose from.


    Glenn Kirshner (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 08:23:21 PM EST
    said the same thing and he has the prosecutorial chops to make that claim. You know though someone made the point a while back that there must be something really bad that is going to happen to Trump on January 20th when he leaves because he is breaking the law to try to stay.

    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2021 at 08:38:12 PM EST
    Sure don't doubt there is terrible stuff we don't even know about but I kind of think he is just doing what he does.  Worth remembering he screamed about fraud for six months about the `16 election that he won.

    I think what he's doing was entirely predictable and has been predicted for years.  Should not be a surprise to anyone.  

    Also I still think he might be smarter than to risk pardoning himself and might find a way to quit so Pence can do it.


    If he is going (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 05:26:03 AM EST
    to quit I would think he would do right after the 6th. However I think quitting would interfere with the grifting he is planning on doing.

    Or flee (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 08:43:17 AM EST
    "President Trump could be planning a trip to Scotland to avoid attending his successor Joe Biden's inauguration," the Sunday Post reports.

    "Prestwick airport has been told to expect the arrival of a US military Boeing 757 aircraft, that is occasionally used by Trump, on January 19 - the day before his Democratic rival takes charge at the White House."

    "Speculation surrounding Trump's plans has been fuelled by the activity of US Army aircraft, which were based at Prestwick airport for a week and said to be carrying out 3D reconnaissance of the president's Turnberry resort."

    Maybe he thinks (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 10:55:47 AM EST
    it will be easier to get to Russia from Scotland than directly from the US.

    Could Nicola refuse Trump (none / 0) (#107)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 12:52:11 PM EST
    from entering Scotland?  She is shutting down more venues  today due to the virus explosion, and she knows he shuns wearing the mask.  His hotel in Fife, Scotland is near where my friends live, and they all dislike him for ruining their land and economy.  I can see his jet idling on the runway while trying to find a country that would accept him.

    Don't come to Scotland (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 05, 2021 at 10:30:19 AM EST
    Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister of Scotland, said President Trump will not be allowed to visit the country to play golf during Joe Biden's inauguration, as reports indicated he was planning, the Independent reports.

    Given the global pandemic, Sturgeon stressed it is currently illegal to travel in or out of the country without a valid reason: "Coming to play golf is not what I would consider to be an essential purpose."



    Gotta love it (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 05, 2021 at 03:34:54 PM EST
    Here's to the Scotts.

    Maybe he can visit Russia. (none / 0) (#117)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 05, 2021 at 03:36:51 PM EST
    What a wonderful thing it would be if his great fried refused him entry.

    Trump (none / 0) (#118)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 05, 2021 at 03:51:49 PM EST
    can always move in with that little guy in North Korea, with whom he has exchanged love letters.

    Maybe he just want to be out of the country (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 05:39:59 PM EST
    Until he knows where the indictments are going to come from first.

    Here's a question.  He can't be indicted until 12:01 on the 20th.   Can he be stopped from leaving the country?


    What I mean is (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 06:16:33 PM EST
    Hypothetically if Cy Vance had a sealed indictment waiting to present at 12:01 on the 20th, could he be stopped from leaving the country before then.

    To stop him from traveling is to arrest him (none / 0) (#112)
    by Peter G on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 07:05:36 PM EST
    If he cannot be arrested, he cannot be stopped from traveling. That's not exactly the same question as whether he can be indicted, I guess. But I don't see how someone can be arrested on a sealed indictment without thereby unsealing it.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 09:14:12 PM EST
    CNN just said the South African mutation (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 05:38:06 PM EST
    of covid is different enough, very different receptors, there is real fear it will not respond to the vaccine.

    Couldn't find a link in a quick search but I'm sure we will hear more.

    Here (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 04, 2021 at 06:02:06 PM EST
    Goodbye Tommy Lasagna.. (none / 0) (#133)
    by desertswine on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 12:01:46 PM EST
    LOL (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 04:39:59 PM EST
    Lehigh University's Board of Trustees announced that it voted to rescind an honorary degree awarded to President Trump in 1988.

    If you have not seen this (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 06:46:26 PM EST
    it's the whole Trump klan having a riot watch party

    This will probably be evidence.  State of mind.

    To (none / 0) (#139)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 07:23:23 PM EST
    be fair that video appears to be pre riot. I think they are watching the festivities and warm up acts backstage before tRump makes his entrance at the rally.

    Didn't know Parler (none / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 07:00:32 PM EST
    was bankrolled by billionaire Trump sugar daddies, the Mercer family. Not that it's all that surprising.

    The conspiracy hive-mind over there is currently busy dropping Dominion like a hot potato and pushing "Italygate"- the new "bombshell" involving shadowy operators in Italy who somehow coordinated with Obama to hack voting machines.

    It's probably going to be handy one stop shopping (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 08:07:51 PM EST
    for the FBI and DHS

    Google said it is suspending Parler from its app store because of continued posting that "seeks to incite ongoing violence in the U.S.," the Wall Street Journal reports.

    Big tech (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 07:24:04 AM EST
    Funny (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 07:50:01 PM EST
    He's trying trick twitter.  Didn't work.

    As I have been saying for a long time, Twitter has gone further and further in banning free speech, and tonight, Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the Radical Left in removing my account from their platform, to silence me -- and YOU, the 75,000,000 great Americans who voted for me," Trump complained, using his official, government account @POTUS.

    He posted four tweets in a thread, but all were deleted within 10 minutes as this story was being written.

    That guy in the prominently displayed (none / 0) (#142)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 08:56:56 PM EST
    Camp Auschwitz/skull and crossbones hoodie circulating freely and relaxed amongst all his brothers and sisters in the Capital doesn't tell you all you need to know about the Parler crowd, but it tells you a lot.

    Eff 'em.

    Googled "Bekah" Mercer (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 09:08:53 PM EST
    not to get all Joan Rivers, but she looks like either an obvious drag queen or a stand-in from Whatever Happened To Baby Jane? Take your pick.

    Lawerence was just showing pics (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 09:19:25 PM EST
    Of that guy saying the FBI was asking for help to find him.  At least I think that's what's he said.   I was only half listening.

    Here's one of them (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 09:34:22 PM EST
    The lower line says "work brings freedom"  which is a basic translation of this


    The slogan over the gate at Auschwitz.

    Another shirt (or shirts) getting mention said 6MWE with the Nazi eagle.  Stands for 6 million wasn't enough.


    The Totenkopf -Death's Head (none / 0) (#148)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 10:53:09 PM EST
    is another venerable Nazi symbol.

    Hoodie guy looks like any number of old school Aryan Brotherhood types that run amok in West Coast prisons.

    My guess is that hair and beard are already off and his buds have Klandalf the Gray sequestered away in whatever jerkwater sh*hole he calls home.


    10 more folks (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:40:11 AM EST
    They found a Black guy (none / 0) (#161)
    by Peter G on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 01:30:01 PM EST
    in the crowd? Amazing.

    They were right...BLM was in the house! (none / 0) (#163)
    by vml68 on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 01:35:13 PM EST
    It is a conspiracy to make all those law abiding white guys look bad.

    I actually saw (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 01:50:30 PM EST
    a few people of color.  One of the big organizers is, I dunno, some color.  Looks maybe middle eastern.  But there was a few.  I was surprised but they are there if you look very close.

    Lots of (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 01:54:44 PM EST
    Those (none / 0) (#151)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 05:41:35 AM EST
    crafty antifa, dressing up as actual nazis just to throw the craken off the scent

    Resignation: Pardon (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 09:13:37 PM EST
    "Legal advisers to the president and his allies expressed increasing concern Friday about possible criminal liability in the wake of Wednesday's melee... Trump has been told by attorneys that he could face legal jeopardy for inciting a mob; he has responded that it was never his intent to do so."

    Trump is learning he is definitely going to be the only president impeached twice.   And that's just the beginning.  

    If Pence isn't to upset about this (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 09:17:31 PM EST
    Reuters photographer Jim Bourg tweeted that he heard at least three pro-Trump rioters at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday saying they wanted to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging.

    I absolutely think he is such a craven spineless tool he would totally do it.


    The rumors (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 08, 2021 at 11:02:16 PM EST
    on the bird app are that Trump is being heavily pressured to resign. I guess there is no deal just quit. If I were Pence I wouldn't give him a pardon after all this. But then Pence isn't the sharpest tool in the shed either. Trump is resisting resigning hard. I guess he knows resigning brings immediate criminal indicts. My thought is the reason impeachment has been put off until Monday is the GOP is going to put a lot of pressure on him to resign but I don't think it will work. We're going to have articles pass like lightening through the house. Then what happens who knows. If Mitch sits on the articles in the senate more deaths and sedition is going to be on his head. Will Moscow Mitch pull the trigger?

    He's going to face indictments (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:32:04 AM EST
    No matter how he leaves.  A resignation/pardon would be the only way to avoid them.  Or at least some of them.  But this stuff about criminal responsibility for the riot is the worst thing he's facing.  If he believes he is in danger, as the quote says, then possible anything could happen.

    The House is not doing this until Monday because of some rule that they can't come back before Monday if one member objects.  Heard that from a house member on Lawerence.  

    As far as Mitch this was also discussed on Lawerence. They are also under some kind of unanimous consent thing so they literally can't return until the 19th if even one member objects.
    And we know they would.

    So the possibility of this senate taking it up are virtually zero.  But by all reports the House is full steam ahead.  They are doing it.

    Lawerence Tribe said it could be taken up by the next Schumer senate, legally, but why bother.  He will be gone and we have other problems more urgent than removing Trump who is already gone.

    It's going to be a very interesting 11 days..  


    57% (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:42:18 AM EST
    Fifty-seven percent of Americans want Republican President Trump to be immediately removed from office after he encouraged a protest this week that escalated into a deadly riot inside the U.S. Capitol, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

    Yes, (none / 0) (#170)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 02:35:08 PM EST
    I know that it is because of a rule and it is a Republican that is using it make impeachment wait until Monday. That is why I wondered if the GOP was trying to talk him into resigning. Resigning certainly would be better for the GOP than having to actually record a vote for this.

    Gini Thomas, Clarence's wife (none / 0) (#150)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 03:00:01 AM EST
    is another one who's drunk deeply from the kool-aid vat and ain't comin back.

    Another Soros-hating conspiracy nut, she was sending out love to the protesters and demanding that the election be overturned before they stormed the capital.

    Justice Thomas's own Lady McWhackjob.

    Capitol Police helped (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 06:46:23 AM EST
    "A growing number of House Democrats say they're concerned that tactical decisions by some Capitol Police officers worsened Wednesday's riots and have raised the possibility that the pro-Trump mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol might have had outside help," Politico reports.

    Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) told CBS News that that the ease in which rioters were able to get into the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday suggests someone on the inside of the Capitol was "complicit" in the assault.


    Dark money (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 10:57:59 AM EST
    "A web of pro-Trump dark money groups helped organize the rally that led to a deadly riot on Capitol Hill," CNBC reports.


    Turning Point USA (none / 0) (#158)
    by jondee on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 11:28:07 AM EST
    headed by that wild-swinging, Gish Galloping dweeb Charlie Kirk, had a big part in organizing the bus caravan.

    Apparently the aforementioned Ginni Thomas was up to her neck in it as well.

    "The cavalry is coming, Mr President!"


    More than anything (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 12:24:59 PM EST
    I want to kill the idiot who came up with this Rube Goldberg bullshi+

    I swear to god.  I would kill them with my own hands.  

    Oh c'mon, where's the fun in just lifting (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by vml68 on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 01:30:35 PM EST
    the 'floor' of the car trunk and then lifting the spare tire out ;-)!

    I have always taken my car to the dealer for service with a do what needs to be done attitude, so am not really familiar with all the 'parts'.
    Recently, I needed new tires and decided to get them replaced at Costco. When I dropped of the car, the mechanic asked if the wheel lock key was in the car. I had no idea what he was talking about and he explained and said it was usually kept where the spare tire is located. I said I would check. I went back told him I had found it and had very helpfully placed it on the driver's seat.

    Later in the day, when I went to pick up my car, the mechanic looked at me and I could tell he was trying hard not to laugh...apparently, I don't know the difference between a tire iron and a wheel lock key!


    HA (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 01:40:47 PM EST
    I've had this car for 10 years at least.  I guess I never had a fiat.  It was a nightmare.  I realized I had a flat and pulled off.   I spent about an hour trying to figure it out in freezing cold with no gloves.  Gave up and drove it home on the flat.  Good bye tire.  But when I got it on the carport with gloves and knee pads I still couldn't get it off.  I call my local go to and asked the said I had his sympathy, tried to explain how to do it and said he can't come personally till Monday.

    So I did what you always do when something make no sense I went to YouTube.

    I finally managed to get it off this morning.  Oh my god  


    You have my sympathies! (none / 0) (#167)
    by vml68 on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 02:03:12 PM EST
    I know you live in a rural area so not sure if this would be any help (in terms of getting to you in a reasonable amount of time) but most car insurance companies have road side assistance that you can add to your policy for about $10-15 a year.

    I got a flat twice on my previous car. Geico had someone out in half and hour to change the tire. The next time was on the NJ turnpike where only turnpike authorized vehicles were allowed, so I called Geico and they contacted whoever. Only had to wait 45 mins.


    It's a guy thing (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 02:08:24 PM EST
    I guess.  Plus I'm very cheap.

    The few times I have gotten (none / 0) (#173)
    by Zorba on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 03:32:36 PM EST
    a flat, if my husband or son are not around, I call AAA.  :-)

    I have AAA (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 03:44:47 PM EST
    Real men don't call AAA to change a flat

    Years ago, (5.00 / 3) (#175)
    by leap on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 04:41:43 PM EST
    late 1970s/early 1980s, I was driving over a mountain pass in the winter. It was snowing hard and accumulating, and chains were required. I pulled over into a chain-up area to put on my chains. That was NOT an easy task on a Vega that had a 3" clearance. You can't get your head under the car to see anything. Had to do a lot of feeling around under the frame and behind the wheels. While lying in the snow. And, since I was alone, I had to hop into the car and back up onto the chains just right, so I could connect the links. In and out, back and forth. For each side of the car. Once on the other side of the pass, when the roadway was not so treacherous, I pulled into a chain-up area to remove the chains. In the process of doing that--you know, unclipping the link/lock, hopping in, moving forward just so, then back; somehow I got the chain set on the left wheel wrapped around the axle. Oh shit. I spent the next 30 minutes or so trying to get that figured out, but only made it worse. I was the only one in the turn-out, and there was no traffic passing by. I got so frustrated and damned cold from lying on the icy snow; my hands turned bright red. Gloves go only so far, and mittens won't work in this situation. A man driving a State snow plow/sanding truck saw me and pulled into the turn-out. Rolled down his window. "Looks like you're having some trouble." "Yes!" I yelled, "I got the chains wrapped around the axle!" He looked at me and paused a few seconds. "You ain't no wimmin's libber are ya?" He was serious. So in the most girlish voice and attitude I could muster I blurted out, "Oh, no, of course not! Not me!" "Well, that's a good thing. I don't help no wimmin's libbers." He got out of his monstrous rig, walked over to my car, laid down onto the compact snow. He reached under the car, feeling around for the right parts, had me do some forwarding and backing up. He eventually got the damned thing off. I thanked him profusely, in the most girlish voice and attitude I could muster, although I really was grateful for his help. He looked proud.

    Real women are not too proud to manipulate foolish men to get what they need.


    I'm impressed (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 04:58:16 PM EST
    I have never done chains but I know it's a nightmare.  I would definitely need YouTube.

    PS (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 12:27:16 PM EST
    the manual in the glove box EXPLAINS NONE OF THIS.

    I know that is hard to believe but trust me.


    Could totally be wrong (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 02:24:14 PM EST
    But this statement has the feel of when he says some hapless cabinet member or sycophant is his very best friend and there is not a chance he would ever fire him the day before he fires him.

    "President Trump will not resign. Nor will he turn power over to Vice President Pence and ask him for a pardon, according to top White House advisers who have spoken with the highest ranking members of Mr. Trump's Cabinet, including Treasury Secretary Mnuchin, Pence and chief of staff Mark Meadows," CBS News reports.

    I don't know what (none / 0) (#171)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 02:43:07 PM EST
    to think. I just feel it in my bones that he is not going to resign. There may be more violence.

    Another (none / 0) (#172)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 09, 2021 at 02:44:47 PM EST
    rumor is that three legislators were in on the terrorist attack planning. Apparently the capitol is like a maze and you don't just wander around and happen to find Nancy Pelosi's office. I would bet one of them is from Georgia. There are a couple of names who I would think would easily participate.