Electoral College : The End of the Road for Donald Trump

Today the Electoral College is voting. By the end of the day Donald Trump will be forced to accept that he stands alone. And that after "an extraordinary year of anti-democratic agitation and disinformation spread by an incumbent president", the time has arrived.

Or as Bob Dylan would say:

"Even the president of the United States Sometimes must have to stand naked"

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    How does it feel? How does it feel? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Peter G on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 02:19:00 PM EST
    To be all alone, a complete unknown, like a rolling stone?

    Like an (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 02:42:12 PM EST
    Idiot wind
    Blowing like a circle around my skull
    From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol
    a perfect encapsulation of the tRump years.

    Bad job, laid off (none / 0) (#21)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 10:45:21 AM EST
    Says he's got a bad cough, wants to get paid off.

    Stuck (none / 0) (#22)
    by FlJoe on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 01:54:01 PM EST
    in Mar-a-Lago with the Manhattan blues again.

    For that to scan properly (none / 0) (#26)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 07:41:24 PM EST
    doesn't it have to be "the New York blues again"? Or perhaps, "the Cy Vance blues again."

    That (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by FlJoe on Wed Dec 16, 2020 at 06:22:50 AM EST
    fits the meter, I went with the alliteration, maybe that's why I haven't got a Nobel prize.  

    If only this was true (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 03:10:21 PM EST
    sadly, no.

    New York Times: "CNN and MSNBC thrived during the Trump years, reaching new heights in ratings and revenue while devoting countless prime-time hours to criticizing a White House antagonist that their viewers just could not quit."

    "Now faced with a Trump-less future, top executives at the rival cable news networks have summoned star anchors and producers to private meetings in recent weeks, seeking answers to a pressing question: What's next?"

    Trump will be covered like the waterfront.

    Lin Wood calls for Trump ... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 05:08:05 PM EST
    ... to declare martial law and for "patriots" to prepare and get ready for Trump's instructions.

    Wood needs to pay a price for this kind of seditious garbage.

    Forgot (none / 0) (#11)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 05:09:25 PM EST
    I didn't see anything inciting violence (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 07:22:50 PM EST
    from Wood. Wood has found a big time grift and is scamming the Trumpers. He and Powell are calling themselves Kraken Wood. And like Trump is really going to do what Wood tells him to do? I seriously doubt it. Don't get too overwrought about this stuff. Wood is also telling Republicans not to vote for Loeffler or Perdue.

    Not like it's just him (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 07:48:53 PM EST
    Newsmax WH correspondent agrees that it's time to get `2nd Amendment supplies' ready for 2020 election fight

    It's all fun and games till some one puts a eye out.

    I actually think you might start seeing elected republicans try to pull this stuff back.  Already R senators are starting to make noise about "moving on".   I think there will be more because the smart ones know it's a dead end.

    If not before they might be forced to when house republicans try to screw things up on Jan 6th.  As they, and Trump, are planning to do.


    This (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 07:52:43 PM EST
    But a House member must be joined by a senator in their objection in order for both chambers to consider it. They must make the objection in writing, and usually provide grounds for the challenge, although guidelines are not laid out in the Electoral Count Act.

    It's not unusual for a member of Congress to object, but it's highly unusual for a member of the other house to join them



    I am not (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 08:07:54 PM EST
    denying that it is happening. I'm just saying Wood isn't doing it. He goes right up to the line but he seems to be playing the Qidiots as today he talked about Hillary's emails.

    The biggest shocker today were the weasel words from Lindsay.

    We shall see whether the GOP clamps down on this or they let it continue to roll into a bigger mess. Certainly Trump is going to continue his grievance tweeting. I guess it's too cold to have a grievance tour.


    No member of congress with a brain (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 08:25:02 PM EST
    wants violence.  It will be the interesting to see how they thread the needle without enraging the Trumpers.   Today electors had to wear bullet proof vests (really, they did) tomorrow it might be Republican Senators wearing the bullet proof vests.

    One can hope.

    'Time for everybody to move on': Senate GOP accepts Biden's win
    The Electoral College tally was finally enough for many Republicans to acknowledge reality.


    My favorite (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 08:28:13 PM EST
    Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), another member of GOP leadership, told reporters that asking about Biden's status was a "gotcha question."

    We're off! (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 09:49:53 AM EST
    Georgia voters shattered records on the first day of early voting ahead of the run off Senate races next month, according to Nate Cohn.

    Approximately 168,000 people voted in-person yesterday, up from 136,000 on the first day of in-person early voting for the presidential election.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 01:57:42 PM EST
    good news and really sort of shocking. However I think the GOP's nonsense is really firing people up to vote against them.

    Funny (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 09:03:49 PM EST

    "Only a tiny fraction of the more than 900 guests invited to an indoor holiday party hosted by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his wife Susan showed up on Tuesday following an outcry from public health officials and U.S. lawmakers warning that the reception bore all the hallmarks of a super-spreader event," the Washington Post reports.

    "Pompeo, whose name was on the invitation and who was scheduled to speak at the event, canceled his speech and tapped a substitute speaker."

    "Roughly 70 people RSVP'd for the event as of Monday night and even fewer showed up."

    Think he knew yesterday? (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 16, 2020 at 10:51:52 AM EST
    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is quarantining after coming into contact with someone who tested positive for coronavirus, but he himself "has been tested and is negative," CNN reports.

    Turns out facts matter (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 18, 2020 at 09:13:24 PM EST
    Lou Dobbs Airs Stunning Fact-Check of His Own Election Conspiracies After Company Threatens Legal Action

    Dobbs started the segment by saying, "There are lots of opinions about the integrity of the election, the irregularities of mail-in voting, of election voting machines and voting software. One of the companies is Smartmatic, and we reached out to one of the leading authorities own open source software for elections, Eddie Perez, for his insight and views."

    UPDATE -- Mediaite has learned that the same fact check will be airing on Jeanine Pirro's show Saturday night and Maria Bartiromo's Fox News show on Sunday.

    Who knew

    I think the companies (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 10:18:15 AM EST
    have had enough and now are threatening everybody with legal action. I read they were after Sidney Powell too asking her to apologize and refute the garbage she has been spewing about voting machines.

    I have no doubt that these "fact-checks" (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Peter G on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 12:33:58 PM EST
    were ordered by the Fox News legal department, to qualify as a "retraction," in an effort to minimize the compensatory damages in threatened lawsuits. Spewing lies that are calculated to cause substantial harm to a profitable business is a dangerous game, legally speaking.

    I hope someone (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 04:30:53 PM EST
    Makes this clear to OANN and NEWSMAX.

    Red slime (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 21, 2020 at 08:33:31 AM EST
    After today's tweets (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:06:56 PM EST
    I am now convinced that the orange moron is indeed a Russian asset. I'm not much on conspiracy theories, but this has gone too far. He is now saying that it was probably the Chinese.

    I am starting to formulate an opinion that the FBI is or has been building a case and will charge him with treason once Joe is officially sworn in. I only hope Jared, Melania and Ivanka are charged also.

    he will (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:33:50 PM EST
    never hold Putin accountable. I figure Putin has him compromised through Trump's bank accounts. He always makes excuses for Putin now the Chinese previously the 400 lb guy in NJ.

    I've been convinced (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 09:38:44 PM EST
    from very early on that Trump laundered money for Russia and has been under Putin's Trump from the get go.

    Whether or not Trump will be held accountable for his numerous anti-American activities or other illegal activities is undetermined. Left up to Biden, I think it is doubtful but other forces outside his control are in play. IMO, it would be detrimental to our democracy to let Trump and his crime family off the hook but I can see it happening.


    This is interesting (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:15:15 PM EST
    "Some senior Defense Department officials are pressing to formally separate the leadership of the National Security Agency from U.S. Cyber Command, in an apparent effort to weaken the military's control of its top electronic spy agency," the Wall Street Journal reports.

    "The proposal to split control of the two agencies before the end of the Trump administration and install a civilian atop the NSA is already facing resistance from lawmakers in Congress. It also isn't clear how the separation could legally occur without the administration proving to Congress that certain conditions required under the law have been met, the people said."


    There is definitely some shi+ going on.


    Also (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:19:17 PM EST
    If that's true, and imo it or something very much like it could be, it is probably almost certain he will do some crazy shi+ before he would leave voluntarily. What does he have to lose.

    More (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:50:05 PM EST
    Rudy Giuliani called Ken Cuccinelli, second in command at the Department of Homeland Security, on Thursday night and asked him whether DHS could seize voting machines, a source familiar with the call confirmed to Axios.

    The state of play: Cuccinelli responded that DHS does not have that authority, the source said.


    You know (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:57:28 PM EST
    going by what we have here in GA getting the voting machines would do exactly nothing. The machines don't actually do anything other than record votes on a card. There is no information that is stored on the voting machine. The cards are what hold the voting info along with the printed paper ballots.

    2020 Christmas Fire (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 10:20:43 PM EST
    It fits right in with how I feel.

    ha! (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by leap on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 11:58:21 PM EST
    That's perfect! I sent it to Driftglass and Blue Gal. Driftglass was the person who came up with that term "dumpster fire," in 2006, and he has never gotten credit for it.

    Cheer up. The universe is about to intervene. (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 10:45:22 AM EST
    Between a global pandemic and inspiring activism, 2020 has already had its share of life-changing moments -- but the stars are just getting warmed up. On December 21, a rare alignment between Jupiter and Saturn, also known as a Great Conjunction

    This conjunction is special because it's in Aquarius, the sign of social change, humanitarian efforts, and justice for all. We had a preview of Saturn in Aquarius this year when it traveled through the sign from March 21 and July 1, before retrograding back into Capricorn in the summer. During that period, a global outpouring of support for the Black Lives Matter movement following the murder of George Floyd opened people's eyes both to the intransigent disparities that exist within our culture, and to our personal responsibility to help where we can, in whatever way we can, whether by protesting, donating money to Black-led organizations, or doing whatever we can to heal ourselves and our communities from a history of trauma. In the same way, the movement is poised to gain even more momentum under the Great Conjunction in Aquarius.

    The Great Conjunction is also happening at 0 degrees, which
    signifies a completely new beginning. This means that as a society, we get to start from scratch and rethink our approach to freedom, equality, and what it means to care for the common good.

    Even better, it's happening on the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere. Witches believe that the solstices are turning points in the natural cycle of the year and are great times for doing magic. With the Great Conjunction and winter solstice in sync, the effects of both are amplified, which makes it perfect for doing a ritual, reading tarot cards, or simply writing down what most want to manifest in the coming year.

    So, let's get started on those orange Voodoo dolls.

    Thanks for providing me (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 12:15:49 PM EST
    With a good laugh this morning. Orange voodoo doll, it is.

    I have been trying (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Zorba on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 01:27:40 PM EST
    Like heck to invoke the Greek Evil Eye, but sadly it hasn't worked so far.
    I'll keep trying.

    Keep (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 04:36:39 PM EST
    working at it Zorba. Maybe it will happen soon :)

    I noticed in this new FOX poll (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 03:49:07 PM EST
    Whether they (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 04:44:49 PM EST
    are Republicans or Trump voters they seem to want Trump to run again in 2024.

    Breaking (none / 0) (#5)
    by FlJoe on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 04:43:25 PM EST
    news, per CNN Billy Barr resigns.

    Probably before (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 04:45:33 PM EST
    he got fired.

    I guess Rudy will be replacing him? Frankly at this juncture I don't think we need anyone to replace him.


    He is (none / 0) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 04:53:28 PM EST
    Being replaced with a fire plug.  A break through with AG Plug.
    Now, if Bill Barr is disbarred does he become Bill +++r ?

    I wondered (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 07:23:43 PM EST
    about the disbarment and how that was coming along. I guess that type of thing never happens in public?

    Timing. (none / 0) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 14, 2020 at 04:56:14 PM EST
    A distraction from Joe Biden's electoral college victory.

    Hits the nail on the head (none / 0) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 08:37:50 AM EST
    Andrea Junker ®
    Dec 13
    I'm starting to think the only person Trump ever hired who was actually qualified to do her job was Stormy Daniels.

    Don't do it (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 04:36:14 PM EST
    On a private conference call, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) urged his Republican colleagues not to join House members on January 6 to object to state electoral results, CNN reports.

    George Conway: "The importance of this is that, in order for an objection to an electoral vote certificate to be considered, it must be made by at least one member of each chamber... If an objection is made by at least one member from each house, then both houses must repair to their respective chambers for debate and a vote, with the objection being sustained only by a vote of a majority of both houses."

    "So basically McConnell is telling his caucus not to let the crazies in the House to make a circus of the electoral vote counting on January 6."

    Randi & Mo (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 16, 2020 at 04:59:36 PM EST
    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said at a Senate hearing that the presidential election was "in many ways stolen."

    Said Paul: "The fraud happened. The election in many ways was stolen and the only way it will be fixed is by in the future reinforcing the laws."

    The Hill: "The remarks were notable because Paul is seen as one of the senators who might join a bid by Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) to challenge the election's outcome and overturn the results in several states."

    These people want insurrection. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 10:12:20 AM EST
    Rand Paul is as big a hypocrite as Miss Lindsay. BS to his so-called "libertarianism."

    They are all fascist authoritarians. They are certainly not American patriots.


    He just concerned (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 10:15:43 AM EST
    "I'm very, very concerned that if you solicit votes from typically non-voters, that you will affect and change the outcome."

    -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), in a Fox Business interview.

    And probably should be (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 10:17:33 AM EST

    "Nearly 75,000 new voters registered in Georgia since before the presidential election, enough to make a difference in the U.S. Senate runoffs if they turn out," the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.

    "They're overwhelmingly young, with 57% of them under 35 years old. Some are new Georgia residents; others just turned 18. None has a voting record in the state."



    So true. If you mobilize the disenfranchised (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 11:36:34 AM EST
    (using that term figuratively) to exercise the franchise, as is their right in a democracy, then those proverbial "bad things" (i.e., public policy that does not exclusively favor the few) might result. America thanks you again, Stacey Abrams.

    If you get (none / 0) (#40)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 05:41:14 PM EST
    typical non-voters to actually come out and vote, that would be a good thing.  Wouldn't it?
    I do always go back to what Benjamin Franklin said, after the Constitutional Convention when someone asked what kind of government we would have:  "A Republic, if you can keep it."
    I hope we can still keep it.

    Hey Peter (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 05:43:40 PM EST
    how is this not sedition?

    Stewart Rhodes, pro-Trump leader of the anti-government extremist group Oath Keepers, posted an open letter to President Donald Trump Monday urging Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act against "domestic traitors," order "trusted military units" to "seize all databases of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DNI, etc and the records held by all state electoral systems and administrators," and declassify evidence of treason by "corrupt and compromised elites" who he claimed had worked with the Chinese government to subvert the election.

    conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.


    Proud to say that the ACLU succeeded (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 07:07:18 PM EST
    in the 1930s in getting the Supreme Court to rule anti-"sedition" laws unconstitutional, insofar as they attempted to punish pure speech (including waving red and black flags). The current federal law against seditious conspiracy is here. It requires more than talk. The Smith Act, passed to bring down the Communist Party USA in the late '40s was also (properly) gutted by a series of Supreme Court decisions, although a series of prosecutions under that law in the early '50s largely succeeded in achieving Congress's improper goal. Suggesting to another person that they commit a crime is called "solicitation" or "incitement." The ACLU also succeeded in the late '60s in forcing a narrow First Amendment reading of Ohio's incitement law, in a case involving a Ku Klux Klan rally. I support applying these rulings to people I despise, in part because that is the only way to protect against their being used against people whose goals I support.

    While clueless about the details (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    that pretty much the answer I expected.

    I bet Rhodes knows the details.

    I wish I was more confident that it would protect those we  support.  
    I remember it being suggested Trump charge BLM demonstrators with sedition.

    They were certainly never so explicit about their goals.


    The Supreme Court earlier this Term (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 08:32:59 PM EST
    protected national BLM leader (and podcaster) DeRay Mckesson, of Baltimore, against an abusive lawsuit in Louisiana, by employing some of these precedents, again represented by the ACLU.

    Gotta do it (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 15, 2020 at 04:37:42 PM EST
    One day after the Electoral College affirmed Joe Biden's presidential victory, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he acknowledged Biden as the president-elect and believed the election was legitimate.

    But he added he will still hold a Senate hearing Wednesday on election "irregularities," saying there are "legitimate questions" about the way the election was administrated in Wisconsin and other states.

    This is a vote they do not want to take.

    Looks like Pete Buttigieg (none / 0) (#34)
    by CST on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 10:37:48 AM EST
    Will be my new overlord.

    All joking aside while I would love to see a transportation professional (like the head of a State DOT, State Transportation Secretary or FHWA director) in that role, if it's going to be a political pick, which it usually is, we could do a lot worse than Pete.  At least he has some experience as Mayor and what seems like a real passion for infrastructure.  Certainly better than Rahm or Elaine.

    One advantage: (none / 0) (#37)
    by leap on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 01:29:53 PM EST
    Biden is not taking anyone from the House or Senate for this position. That's a plus.

    Transportation professionals (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 12:15:01 PM EST
    will likely be named as deputy and undersecretaries, but Mayor Pete will bring a higher profile  and advocacy to needs of transportation.  

    Anthony Fox, secretary 2013-2017, was mayor of Charlotte,NC, and Ray LaHood, secretary 2009-2013, was a Republican Congressman from Illinois.  Both had experience and interest in transportation development, but did not seem to be strong spokespersons for their agendas.  

    Hopefully, Pete, who has.the ear of President Biden, will be successful in advancing transportation needs.  And, of course, making Trump's "infrastructure week". more than material for the late night comedians.

    Giant cybersecurity breach by Russia... (none / 0) (#38)
    by desertswine on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 04:54:57 PM EST
    U.S. officials have been scrambling over the last several days to assess the damage from a potentially devastating breach across multiple U.S. government computer networks, include those at the State, Commerce and Treasury departments.

    Or..  I don't know why it would be Russia.

    Trump is silent about cyberattack.  I wish they would figure out about how big a traitor Trump is already and give him what he deserves.

    Nukes (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 17, 2020 at 05:32:26 PM EST
    "The Energy Department and National Nuclear Security Administration, which maintains the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile, have evidence that hackers accessed their networks as part of an extensive espionage operation that has affected at least half a dozen federal agencies," Politico reports.

    I can't stand to read the news anymore. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by desertswine on Fri Dec 18, 2020 at 12:14:41 PM EST
    Alien Day.. Thank Goodness. (none / 0) (#46)
    by desertswine on Fri Dec 18, 2020 at 04:48:18 PM EST
    Good choice (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 01:49:22 PM EST
    "President Trump on Friday discussed making Sidney Powell, who as a lawyer for his campaign team unleashed a series of conspiracy theories about a Venezuelan plot to rig voting machines in the United States, a special counsel investigating voter fraud," the New York Times reports.

    "It was unclear if Mr. Trump will move ahead with such a plan."

    This would be the best possible choice.  Not even a veneer of legitimacy.


    Great (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 05:39:16 PM EST
    Jonathan Swan: "Senior Trump administration officials are increasingly alarmed that President Trump might unleash -- and abuse -- the power of government in an effort to overturn the clear result of the election."

    "These officials tell me that Trump is spending too much time with people they consider crackpots or conspiracy theorists and flirting with blatant abuses of power."

    "Their fears include Trump's interest in former national security adviser Michael Flynn's wild talk of martial law; an idea floated of an executive order to commandeer voting machines; and the specter of Sidney Powell, the conspiracy-spewing election lawyer, obtaining governmental power and a top-level security clearance."

    Maggie Haberman: "Sources who have gotten used to Trump's eruptions over four years sound scared by what's transpired in the past week when I've talked to them."

    they were just talking about this on CNN

    apparently people are "alarmed"

    Hey Peter (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 05:56:26 PM EST
    If Trump did this

    Their fears include Trump's interest in former national security adviser Michael Flynn's wild talk of martial law; an idea floated of an executive order to commandeer voting machines; and the specter of Sidney Powell, the conspiracy-spewing election lawyer, obtaining governmental power and a top-level security clearance.

    would THAT be sedition?


    Or even tried (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 06:04:59 PM EST
    To do it.

    As you could see from the link (none / 0) (#55)
    by Peter G on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 06:51:41 PM EST
    that I provided a couple of days ago, the sedition statute is actually a conspiracy law. So it is actually not the doing it, or the attempt to do it, but the concrete and definite agreement to prevent or hinder the carrying out of a federal law, to oppose governmental authority by force, or overthrow the lawful government of the U.S. that is the crime of sedition under federal law today.

    So (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 19, 2020 at 07:04:07 PM EST
    Yes, I guess.

    I still think that might be the best ending for this.  As freaky as it would be. It would not succeed.   Seems like the one thing that would marginalize him permanently.


    Mutations (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 11:21:31 AM EST
    More contagious

    "One by one, several European Union nations banned flights from the U.K. on Sunday and others like Germany were considering such action, all in hopes of blocking a new strain of coronavirus sweeping across southern England from establishing a strong foothold on the continent," the AP reports.


    Yikes (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 11:23:38 AM EST
    Johnson said Saturday that a fast-moving new variant of the virus that is 70% more transmissible than existing strains appeared to be driving the rapid spread of new infections in London and southern England.

    Accountability for Trump (none / 0) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 02:32:27 PM EST
    The NYTimes editorial (Sunday, December 20)discusses how American democracy confronts the scale of damage wrought by Trump---the brazen obliteration of norms, criminal behavior, corruption, and abuses of power. Even after having been impeached.  

    The editorial presents dilemmas for acting (jeopardizing efforts for national unity/healing v. accountability; investigation v appearances of a political hit job). And, not acting: uninhibited wrong doings by future presidents, perhaps more competent wannabe authoritarians).

    No definitive answers are given to the questions raised, other than instituting reforms to address, particularly, Trumpian corruption and abuse of
    power. While most of the legislative and other reforms mentioned have become glaringly apparent (e.g., candidates tax returns, independence of DOJ), the matter of prosecution and penalties for violations was not addressed.

    It is true that President Biden immediately upon taking office will be confronted with a pile-up of emergencies and corrective actions, and investigations of Trump and his administration may inflame the political divide all the more, it seems to me that the circumstances soon to be uncovered will, essentially, dictate further investigation and action. Trump's curious relationship with Putin and Russia needs to be investigated and revealed.

    It will be unjust if Trump, himself, for some reason is not subject to consequences (other than voter rejection after one term and impeachment), but other wrong doers down the line in the Administration should be investigated, and if warranted, prosecuted to the full extent of the law. While not entirely satisfactory, it may serve as a deterrent to future "just following orders" sycophants and those holding Lou Dobbs-like Trumpian fervor.


    The NYT (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 04:41:28 PM EST
    apparently does not realize that the Trumpers do not want healing or unity. Biden should hold all of these people accountable or rather his AG should hold people accountable.

    We have exactly one more month (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 06:05:32 PM EST
    `Anything could happen' is an understatement.  

    I think it's possible stuff will happen that will change everything.   Including any plans for a response.  It's really not possible to even consider how to respond until we know what happens.

    And seriously, anything could happen.


    Response (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 06:39:29 PM EST
    Rupert Murdoch `is considering a plan to offer Trump a $100 million package that would include HarperCollins publishing Trump's post presidential memoir and Fox News giving Trump a contributor deal or his own show.'"

    Deal would probably include a clause about not telling people to stop watching FOX.



    2020 word cloud (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 06:46:24 PM EST
    Trump's lawyer, (none / 0) (#77)
    by KeysDan on Sun Dec 20, 2020 at 10:37:35 PM EST
    Sidney Powell, was back at the White House Sunday evening.  Maggie Haberman of The NY Times reports that Powell was continuing to pitch Trump on seizing voting machines.

    At Friday's WH meeting, the WH legal counsel advised that Homeland Security did not have authority to do so.  If DOJ is involved in an investigation, a search warrant would be needed.  Powell is urging, apparently, that Trump act himself by executive order.   Sounds (a) like a pitch to a desperate loser, and (b) Republicans have reached herd insanity.

    DONT DO IT. Part 2 (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 21, 2020 at 09:33:44 AM EST
    "National Republicans are desperate to avoid a floor fight in Congress over the certification of the Electoral College vote next month, believing it would be horrible politics to continue waging what most recognize to be a hopeless battle to overturn the outcome of the election," The Hill reports.

    "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has intervened, asking his members not to join Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) or any other House members looking to object to the results on Jan. 6, when Congress meets to certify the Electoral College count."


    I think this is a win/win. (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 21, 2020 at 09:37:38 AM EST
    If the are shamed into stopping it, we win.
    If they do it Trump will just lose one more time.  We win.

    The pundits (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 21, 2020 at 05:35:36 PM EST
    FWIW seem to think that a floor fight on the 6th would do even more damage to the GOP. Since there is no bottom with the GOP I wonder if Moscow Mitch will succeed in shutting this down or not.