Biden-Harris About to Cross the Finish Line

Update 7:40 pm: CNN just interviewed Richard Barrett, the head of vote counting somewhere in Georgia. He was the best, most composed, intelligible guest all night (even though the guy interviewing him was a jerk. He asked, "Are all of these ballots legal?" Like the guy would say no?) He was also very nice looking. And he managed to keep repeating the word "adjudcated" like it was sexy or something. I hope he gets promoted.

New numbers in Maricopa, AZ increase Joe Biden's lead the state.

Biden is also ahead in Nevada, and those two states are all he needs,according to John King. Biden does not need PA. And he may take Georgia for good measure.


Anderson Cooper had the worst guests and pundits tonight. Rick Santorum? Really? Please. And Van Jones. Then there was the woman with the mask who kept trying to read the new vote totals for AZ and was so awful she flubbed three times and then announced she's not good at math. Is that a joke? Hiring someone who can't read a string of six numbers without blowing it multiple times? (CNN kept going to her for hours, and she gave up on giving us numbers and insisted on giving us a tour of the parking lot with about 20 protesters. Every time the anchor kept trying to rein her in and get her back to numbers, she just doubled down on trying to get people scared of the scary (not) protesters (Added: Chris Cuomo also went to her at midnight and after about a minute of her telling him she just had to everyone the back door and parking lot and how she was scared about how she'd get out of the building, he asked her about the numbers. She pretended not to hear him and went back to pretending a riot was about to occur. She gets my Media Horse's A*s award for the night -- tied with Rick Santorum.

MSNBC was not much better. They have a really high-strung annoying numbers guy at the map.

The only two I'm listening to are Wolf Blitzer and John King. (until midnight when Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon come on).

Don't even bother reading Donald Trump's lawsuits. They have no chance. Just a last-gasp of hot air from Trump enabler Rudy Giuliani.

I can't wait to see Ivanka, Jared, and Don Jr. take their final walk across the White House lawn to a waiting private helicopter. I doubt any of these three blind mice will ever return to Washington, let alone run for office. Ivanka and Jared will probably have their house up for sale before Thanksgiving. Kimberly will probably tell Don, Jr. to take a hike. Maybe Fox will take her back.

A little poll: What time tonight will the media declare Biden/Harris the winner?

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What Time Will Joe Biden Be Declared the Winner
Before 9:00 pm tonight 16%
Between 9pm and Midnight 16%
Between Midnight and 3 a.m. 16%
Sometime tomorrow 50%

Votes: 6
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    I love the lawsuits seeking to stop (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 08:52:33 PM EST
    The count in states where he is behind. Fine, stop the count in Arizona too.

    Really annoying numbers guy (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 08:09:58 PM EST
    Is the best description of Steve Kornacki I've ever seen. I hate how he looks like he's trying to fly out of my tv.

    I checked CNN, saw Santorum, switched back like the tv was on fire.

    I can't believe this night is finally here.  Arizona lead is dwindling but I think it will hold. Don't ask me why I think it, I just do.

    Georgia would be so much fun. Would really love that to,put him over the top.

    Ruffian, did you see the (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 08:30:18 PM EST
    Georgia voting bureau guy? I thought he was good (and like someone you'd want to take home to your parents)

    Ha! Probably but they are all a blur. (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 04, 2020 at 08:41:49 PM EST
    I like the Wisconsin guy too. He is just taking it all in stride. These folks that do the real work of government are so deserving of better days ahead.

    They must have taken away (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 06:34:43 AM EST
    Trumps phone.  I don't think there has been a tweet for like 12 hours.

    Ahhhhh (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 06:36:35 AM EST
    A source tells Dana Bash of CNN that President Trump is feeling "down" and "starting to see this slip away."

    Someone will remind him (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:34:18 AM EST
    he needs to win to stay out of jail and to keep his failed properties afloat with taxpayer dollars and he'll get his fight back. Either that or the drugs.

    New season of Fargo? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:48:31 AM EST
    So good.

    Updates today (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:51:03 AM EST

    New York Times: "After the Biden camp secured victories in Michigan and Wisconsin critical to its path to victory on Wednesday, attention shifted on Thursday to a handful of states where the result remained too close to call and to the courts, where the Trump campaign filed a barrage of lawsuits challenging the validity of the count."

    "The vote counting created mirror-image dramas across the United States: Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. clung to a dwindling lead against President Trump in Arizona, while in Georgia and Pennsylvania, Mr. Biden slowly eroded Mr. Trump's leads, as the ballots were counted."

    "Georgia and Pennsylvania are expected to release another round of results Thursday morning, with Arizona expected to release more results later in the day, along with Nevada, where Mr. Biden leads by less than 8,000 votes."

    I'm starting to wonder... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 08:42:01 AM EST
    if we should worry about Arizona.

    But unlike the "count the votes over here stop the count over there what we really want is a fascist dictatorship" crowd, I sincerely want every American's vote to be counted and what will be will be.


    I'm worried about (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 11:04:25 AM EST
    Arizona too.  Fortunately I'm not that worried about PA.  Happy to see my former haunting grounds come through.

    Also GA officially going to two runoffs.   Finally seeing some cracks in the red wall.   Atlanta deserves this.


    Perdue crept up to 50% again (none / 0) (#13)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 11:55:15 AM EST
    but I remain hopeful it will drop again for a runoff.

    No that I am hopeful about results of runoffs on Jan. 5. All of the GOP resources will focus on Georgia, and it will be ugly.

    But just that Moscow Mitch doesn't have prospects of his majority secure for a couple of months makes me smile.


    PA? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:17:44 PM EST
    All the numbers I've seen for PA have been disappointing for Dems. Are you getting different numbers from somewhere?

    Biden is expected to win PA (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:32:30 PM EST
    According to CNN and MSNBC

    That would be wonderful! (none / 0) (#20)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:53:22 PM EST
    I have been avoiding tuning in. I just want a decision. I can stand to listen to them surmise and guess over and over and over.  I couldn't take it anymore. I even switch to Netflix last night because broadcast TV kept running vote total across the bottom of the screen.

    I've been checking HuffPost and AP app on my phone. Those kept showing orange moron leading in PA. I found that disheartening.


    And (none / 0) (#21)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:54:27 PM EST
    All the maps I see online keep showing PA as Red.

    He was just explaining (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:58:02 PM EST
    That even from those solid red counties the late vote coming in now is mostly mail ballots that favor Biden.

    They seem to think (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:43:54 PM EST
    we will know today.  Or tonight.  Maybe enough to call if not a final count.

    Just heard on CNN (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:47:15 PM EST
    Trump is ahead 106,000 with "hundreds of thousands" of votes to count.  Favorable votes to Biden.

    While I was typing that (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:50:50 PM EST
    It went down to 101,000

    97,000 (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:10:26 PM EST
    I wish they would (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:20:43 PM EST
    get done. Heck I wish GA would get done but honestly I think GA is not going to announce until one of the other states puts Biden over the top.

    Sort of seems like (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:31:25 PM EST
    They want PA to put him over the top.  The Blue Wall thing maybe.

    90,000 (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:48:35 PM EST
    And change

    So far (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 11:16:42 AM EST
    this seems the be working.  More smoothly than I think I expected   It's not over and anything can still happen but all things considered I think the news and online media have done ok.  Loads of room for improvement.

    That said it might be about to explode.  As he lashes out.  But so far not bad.

    I like that different sources have different calls for a winner.  Shows what "calls" are.  

    The fact I'm winning could influence my opinion of the proceedings

    We are (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 02:05:08 PM EST
    down to 12,835 Trump lead here in GA.

    If Joe Biden wins Georgia, ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:21:39 PM EST
    "A top Georgia election official said Thursday afternoon the state had about 47,300 votes left to count as the gap slowly closed between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden."
    - USA Today (November 5, 2020)

    ... it will likely be by about 10,000 votes. Stacey Abrams is a Democratic goddess. In two election cycles, she made Georgia politically competitive again.



    Stacey (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:58:59 PM EST
    has done an awesome job. I hope Biden gives her a job.

    USA Today says that at this time there (none / 0) (#26)
    by desertswine on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:24:51 PM EST
    are 47,300 left to count.

    Oops sorry. Should have read faster. (none / 0) (#27)
    by desertswine on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:27:55 PM EST
    9,525 (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:52:02 PM EST
    Yes, I just (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:59:53 PM EST
    posted that number on another thread. It has been torture waiting to see what the result is.

    FOX might be ready to call it (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 03:35:31 PM EST
    Trump Advisers Worried Race Will Be Called Tonight

    November 5, 2020 at 4:43 pm EST By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    Jonathan Swan says Trumpworld is "very anxious right now" about the prospect of Fox News calling Pennsylvania later tonight.

    More: "Hard to overstate how angry Trump's advisers are at Fox right now. Just incandescent."


    Yeah, (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 04:00:40 PM EST
    but WTF are they worried about them calling PA tonight vs. tomorrow or any other day? Calling PA will end their grift?

    FOX (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 04:05:44 PM EST
    went out on a limb to call AZ.  I don't think that was done without some thought.  Calling the election first in spite of the Trump minions would also help on their long road back to relevance and credibility.

    Long road for sure. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 04:16:12 PM EST
    They've been the butt of jokes as state media for years now.

    The PA SoS just said (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 04:19:47 PM EST
    326,000 votes to be counted.

    I guess (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 04:46:26 PM EST
    that guess of 100K win for Biden is where it is gonna be.

    Right. Here's how to figure it: Conservatively (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:54:53 PM EST
    if Biden is showing "behind" by only 60,000 in the count so far, and there are 250,000 ballots still to count, and nearly all of those are mail-ins, and the mail-in option was used more than 2:1 by Democrats, then the net gain from those is about 85,000 (>1/3 of the uncounted votes), and he wins by a 25,000, even assuming 100% of the Republican mail-ins went for Tr*mp, which actually should not be assumed.

    Judges are (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 04:46:24 PM EST
    dismissing cases filed by the Trump campaign.  The legal strategy seems to be organized by crack Trump Attorney, Rudy Giuliani.  Rudy is on the go briefs in hand.  Or, vice versa.

    According to numbers on my tv (none / 0) (#41)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:37:27 PM EST
    Right this very moment. Joe is still down by about 60K votes in PA.

    Sorry (none / 0) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:51:10 PM EST
    that was supposed to be a reply to #39

    It's now 18,000 (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 05:26:22 AM EST
    There is a dance party in the streets (none / 0) (#44)
    by Peter G on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 09:46:19 PM EST
    of Center City Philadelphia tonight. Literally. They played Beyoncé to drown out Pam Bondi, and as  of 10 pm they are still partying and dancing. That's the Philadelphia way!

    Anyone know what happened to the blue wave? (none / 0) (#40)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 07:34:55 PM EST
    Susan Collins won fer crissakes. That was supposed to be a gimme.

    Joe Biden got more votes than (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Nov 05, 2020 at 10:09:39 PM EST
    any presidential candidate in the history of the U.S. But because those votes are really votes against Trump instead of votes for Biden, there were no coattails.

    Trump got the second most votes in history (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 05:10:11 AM EST
    So there's something beyond just opposition to Trump going on.

    Yes. There is definitely something (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:00:31 AM EST
    rotten in the United States. Something Donald in Hawaii wrote in another thread was spot on.

    How anyone can look back at the past nine months and think, "Yeah, I want more of that" is just beyond my mental comprehension.

    The power of propaganda is fierce. And I don't know the solution to fight it.


    I think there is only one solution (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:18:51 AM EST
    grow and register more democrats.  These people are not going anywhere.  They have to be beaten.

    The good news is demographics is on our side.


    They are not going anywhere (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:27:02 AM EST
    and they are not going to stop listening to the right wing news bubble.  Or electing republicans who fit the bubble.

    To imagine we could somehow magically make either of these things happen is just as delusional as any Trump cult member.


    The Only Solution (none / 0) (#61)
    by RickyJim on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:46:13 AM EST
    THe way the candidates are chosen must be changed. On election days one is to often presented a binary choice between bad alternatives.  My suggestion:  A gang of 1000 elected officials (Congress, Governors, Mayors of largest cities) votes in July.  The top 10 from that election are subjected to a popular vote in September. If no one get a majority in that election (most likely) the runoff between the top two in November determines the next President.  Back in 2016, Trump wouldn't have gotten past the first step.

    You have interesting ideas for a country (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:51:59 AM EST
    Maybe you should start one.  Can't do worse I guess.

    One Way to Do It (none / 0) (#63)
    by RickyJim on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 10:21:23 AM EST
    Get a billionaire to have a committee of scholars draft a new constitution taking advantage of what has been learned about democratic governance and legal systems since 1787.  Then plug it in the media for a few years until you get a majority of the country clamoring for its adoption.

    It met a red wave (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 05:23:41 AM EST
    Trump got out his vote.  There was a wave.  More votes cast than ever.  

    That's if you believe the polls. (none / 0) (#49)
    by coast on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 07:35:06 AM EST
    Which I think we can all agree are horsesh*t.  Nate Silver can defend his line of work all he wants, but he's less useful than a meteorologist at this point.

    The only polls that we should be given are the internal polls from the candidates.  Sure they'll be skewed slightly, but they were a lot closer to reality than any of the other polls.


    Silvers final pre-election article (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 07:44:33 AM EST
    Was titled

    I'm Here To Remind You That Trump Can Still Win
    A 10 percent chance isn't zero. And there's a chance of a recount, too.

    And BTW
    internal polls were just as wrong and in some cases more wrong than the public polls.  This has been widely reported.


    Trumps internal polling (none / 0) (#56)
    by coast on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:21:45 AM EST
    had him in tight races along the rust belt that proved to be true, not the 10-17% margin other polls had.

    Nationally it looks like there is going to be about an 8% margin from the 9-10% national margin they predicted and the 2-3% its going to end up being.  For perspective that's about an 11M vote swing.  That's missing the mark by a state the size of Ohio.  That's not a small delta.

    I'm not saying they should be perfect, but to ChuckO's point not one poll had Collins winning, most didn't have it close.

    They need to figure this out, otherwise what's the point except to give some poll nerds something to do.


    Biden (none / 0) (#50)
    by FlJoe on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 07:39:02 AM EST
    just took the lead in Pa +5,500

    Let's all take a step back and realize (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 08:04:46 AM EST
    Trump is about to be indicted.  They can talk about "a media empire" or running again in 24 or whatever but what is actually going to happen is Trump is going to be indicted.

    Judging from this election that might well not stop either his establishment of a media empire or running again.

    But it's a cheerful thought to start your day.  Trump is headed into legal swamps with dangerous hidden creatures.


    More votes (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 08:07:30 AM EST
    Postal Workers Find 1,300 More Pennsylvania Ballots

    November 6, 2020 at 9:10 am EST By Taegan Goddard 16 Comments

    "Postal workers found more than 1,000 ballots in Philadelphia facilities Thursday and 300 in Pittsburgh, as the Postal Service races to deliver uncounted votes to election officials before a Friday afternoon deadline, according to a filing in U.S. federal court posted just after midnight Friday," Politico reports

    It will be rich if... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:25:46 AM EST
    Operation DeJoy to sabotage the USPS ends up insuring Biden's victory when he is ahead with mail-in ballots undelivered by the various state deadlines.  Too rich.

    I hope the next Postmaster General undoes the damage post haste so next time all votes arrive on time to be counted, no matter who the vote is for. Not to mention our regular mail lol.

    And state election officials remove all such arbitrary Machiavellian deadlines.


    DeJoy needs to be held accountable (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:29:38 AM EST
    Republicans have been saying for months Trumps nonsense about mail ballots was screwing them.

    Looks like it might have mostly just screwed him.


    Isn't that what Trump does most of the time? (none / 0) (#60)
    by coast on Fri Nov 06, 2020 at 09:40:36 AM EST
    Screws himself every time he speaks or tweets?