Wednesday Open Thread

Some things not worth their own post:

Stephen Miller is the latest to follow a string of White House staff getting COVID-19. (His wife had been with Mike Pence, prepping him for the debate but she left when she got the news about her husband. She had the virus in May).

Kellyanne Conway, aka Ms. Most Unimportant Person in the World, is still fighting with daughter Claudia over Claudia's airing of the family's dirty laundry on TikTok. Claudia says her mom gave the virus to her. And in one TikTok, now deleted, you can hear Kellyanne screaming at Claudia and using the F word. I guess this is what goes for "more mama less drama" in the Conway household. At the Rose Garden ceremony, there were serveral photos of Kellyanne and Bill Barr, standing shoulder to shoulder, laughing and talking spiritedly, with their mouths just inches away from each other and neither wore a mask.

There's a debate tonight between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence. I haven't decided whether to watch yet. I might choose to re-watch some episodes of Money Heist (casa de papel) or the 4th season of Reign, or the 4th episode of Tehran. I hate when streaming services release one episode a week. Don't they know we're all binge-watchers? Also good: Trackers (South African) and Departures. So many movies with bad CIA characters these days. [More...]

I could use a good new narco-drama to get me through election day without paying attention to Donald Trump, but I don't think there are any on the horizon. At least there's a new season of the Great British Bake-Off and although co-host Sandi is gone, the wonderful Noel is still around. The show is also being dripped to us at one episode a week. But as of now, there are four you can watch in one sitting.

Last item: James Corden interviewed Hillary by video the day after the debate (Bill popped in for a minute). She was on for at least three segments. It was refreshing to hear her rational, calm answers. James Corden is now in his sixth season, and he's as funny as ever. He's the only person who can make me laugh out loud when I'm home alone. I wish I could put him in my back pocket as I'm driving around during the day. He'd be so much better than the car radio.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Is there something wrong with me (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:14:41 PM EST
    that I would much rather hear both of them answer the question that they have been asked? So far, I have not heard a single instance of that from either vice presidential candidate. I guess my hopes were baseless that someone running for high national office might possibly be direct and honest, and not a bullsh*tter. So sad.

    I don't have understand why the moderators (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:16:19 PM EST
    Don't moderate.  

    Thank you.  Times up.  Shut up.


    I also want the moderator to say (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:38:15 PM EST
    "I asked you X. You talked for over two minutes in response and never even touched on the question I asked. I accept that you have no answer for that question, and will now move on."

    That would also be good (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:08 PM EST
    I am underwhelmed (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:25:10 PM EST
    but I think Kamala is doing what she needs to do.  

    I don't agree. She has not been saying (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:34:58 PM EST
    "Oh, yeah, you have a health care plan? But none has been introduced in the last four years? WTF?" Or the same with respect to every single issue: look at the last four years, and listen to and look at what your lying, bullying, arrogant, self-centered monster of a running mate has said and done.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:38:35 PM EST
    I was hoping for that approach too.  Clearly they are taking a different approach.

    It seems more like, we are winning.  The last thing people want is another screaming match.  Let him spew his nonsense.  It just makes him look and sound delusional.

    He does sound delusional.


    The moderator (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:06:42 PM EST
    is as bad as Wallace.  Pence answers his question he wants not the one asked.  No push back other than thank you's.  Kamala is handling it well as did Biden with Trump.  

    Most people do not know much about Pence other than being Trump's fourth wife.  This event may open more eyes to the reason he is such a toady---they are peas in a fetid pod. We all need a shower after this one.  Debates with hypocrites, liars, and miscreants is like debating with alien lizards.


    Worse (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:10:20 PM EST
    I was on the debate team (none / 0) (#34)
    by ragebot on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 11:11:59 PM EST
    in high school and had a debate scholarship in college.  I would much rather see a format similar to what I did in high school.

    There is basically a single topic which in this case could be modified for each debater.  Pence would be given the topic of "Resolved the Republicans should be elected" and given the affirmative side or Harris would be given the topic "resolved the Democrats should be elected" and given the affirmative side.  

    Times could be adjusted but the affirmative goes first for say ten minutes, then the negative gets five minutes of cross questioning, then the negative gets ten minutes and the affirmative gets five minutes of cross questioning.  Rinse and repeat this.  Then switch to negative getting a ten minute rebuttal (in formal debate called the negative block) and the affirmative getting the final ten minute rebuttal.

    This roughly mirrors how debates are held in both high school and college.  As for maintaining time limits there is a timer set for five or ten minutes at which point a bell starts ringing literally drowning out the debaters.

    No need to worry about bias in the moderator asking or leaking questions or any other bias.

    Truth be told I would much rather see Harris and Pence making their case; and even more so cross questioning each other, especially about how they both evaded answers in the actual debate.


    Pence, as he looks (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:07 PM EST
    over to Senator Harris reveals a red left eye-- that may be an early symptom of COVID infection.  Those plexiglass screens are inadequate.  If held at all, this should have been by remote.  Pence, apparently, was instructed to interrupt--still believing it to be an effective tactic, that and Pence's piety and lies..  

    I noticed that too (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:41:03 PM EST
    He also looks a little pekid

    He looks pale to me (none / 0) (#27)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:19:07 PM EST
    He looks like he may be sick to me--in my opinion.

    Wow (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 08:42:11 PM EST
    In a rare political statement from a scientific journal, the New England Journal of Medicine released an editorial Wednesday lambasting the Trump administration's response to the COVID-19 pandemic and calling on Americans to vote President Donald Trump out of office next month.
    "Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates," the journal's editors wrote. "But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs."


    Is Harris so afraid of being called (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:05:04 PM EST
    "angry" that she cannot say to that jerk, "How dare you say I didn't answer a 'gotcha' question that you -- not the moderator, but you -- tried to ask, when you have not answered a single question that has been asked of you by the moderator in the last 75 minutes, without having yet been called on it."

    Yes, a black woman (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by Towanda on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 11:52:22 PM EST
    does have to avoid exactly that,

    Pence was taunting her, in his milquetoast way, by repeatedly interrupting her and taking her time.

    And the moderator, who only tonight is revealed as having hosted a pro-Pence party, enabled him all the way.

    With those odds, Kamala handled herself -- and him -- well.

    But really, with moderators like Wallace and Page, the Commission on Presidential Debates is done. Cn we please bring back the League of Women Voters as Moderators? They would not have allowed the constant flouting of the rules by Trump and Pence. And Leaguers get questions answered.


    Yes! (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:38:07 AM EST
    Bring back the League of Women Voters as Moderators!
    I have been a proud supporter of the LWV for over thirty years.

    "Susan Page of USA Today... (none / 0) (#43)
    by leap on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:08 AM EST
    I think she has been moving at times (none / 0) (#30)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:25:26 PM EST
    She has stood her ground and had good closing type statements--that a trial lawyer would give...ha!

    She hit some good emotional chords imo.


    She came across warm (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:59:04 PM EST
    and competent.   As in you can be reassured she is a good VP and could be President.

    Being a hostile questioner does not always win you points.


    Senator Harris (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:49:46 PM EST
    Seemed to adopt a debating tactic of being aggressive without being abrasive.  She made points in demonstrating Trump/Pence ineptness and cruelty.  But, the drawback was that this tactic did not prepare for Pence's skill at the-re-direction of questions.  The moderator was the perfect foil to facilitate that tactic.

    Pence's problem was he was boring and sickly looking and is probably ill. And, he showed that he is Trump without the warmth and beautiful hair.  He was easily eclipsed by the fly.

     Senator Harris gave confidence that she was well-equipped by experience and temperament to be president,  if necessary.


    I think she did (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 08:35:46 AM EST
    What she needed to do.  I wish a bit more time had been given to the fact that there has been more covid cases in the White House recently than in many countries in the same period.

    But she did well IMO


    Why is "thank you" the only thing (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:09:25 PM EST
    that the moderator can say, instead of "You are filibustering, and demand that you stop."

    "Your time is up" (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:19:46 PM EST
    would be better.

    "The amount of time that you agreed to (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:25:15 PM EST
    is up" would be even better. And, "You are ignoring the promise you made to answer questions posed by a moderator."

    Mother Pence took off her mask (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Towanda on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 11:53:26 PM EST
    during the debate, because she doesn't follow rules, either.

    The judgement this morning (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 08:21:34 AM EST
    Seems to be Kamala won and the fly took second.

    best fly comment on Twitter: (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by leap on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 09:35:18 AM EST
    "That fly is Pence's only black friend."

    The fly (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 09:51:26 AM EST
    was admitted to Walter Reed this morning.

    Militia/terrorist (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 01:58:42 PM EST
    Nice (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 07:45:36 AM EST
    "A southeast Michigan township worker needed 13 stitches in his fingers after attempting to remove a razor-blade lined political sign that was too close to the road," Michigan Live reports.

    "The Commerce Township worker pulled over to remove two political signs that were 9 feet within the road right-of-way... When he grabbed a sign supporting President Trump's reelection campaign, he thought he'd been electrocuted; razor blades were taped along the edges of the sign. Bleeding heavily, he drove himself to a hospital where he received 13 stitches."


    The Nobel Peace Prize (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 12:02:00 PM EST
    Winner has been announced.  The World Food Network is dedicated to fighting world hunger and food insecurity, and is part of the United Nations.
    Congratulations to the WFN!

    Does that make Tr*mp a "loser"? (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by vml68 on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 02:41:33 PM EST
    Complicit (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    Gretchen goes there

    When I addressed the people of Michigan on Thursday to comment on the unprecedented terrorism, conspiracy and weapons charges against 13 men, some of whom were preparing to kidnap and possibly kill me, I said, "Hatred, bigotry and violence have no place in the great state of Michigan." I meant it. But just moments later, President Trump's campaign adviser, Jason Miller, appeared on national television accusing me of fostering hatred.

    I'm not going to waste my time arguing with the president. But I will always hold him accountable. Because when our leaders speak, their words carry weight.

    When our leaders encourage domestic terrorists, they legitimize their actions. When they stoke and contribute to hate speech, they are complicit. And when a sitting president stands on a national stage refusing to condemn white supremacists and hate groups, as President Trump did when he told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" during the first presidential debate, he is complicit. Hate groups heard the president's words not as a rebuke, but as a rallying cry. As a call to action.

    The "Chairman of the Board" ... (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 03:44:08 PM EST
    passes away.

    Whitey Ford, the Yankees' Hall of Fame left-hander who was celebrated as the Chairman of the Board for his stylish pitching and big-game brilliance on the ball clubs that dominated baseball in the 1950s and early '60s, has died. He was 91.

    Pitching for 11 pennant-winners and six World Series champions, Ford won 236 games, the most of any Yankee, and had a career winning percentage of .690, the best among pitchers with 200 or more victories in the 20th century.

    One of my childhood heroes.

    Joe Morgan passes away at 77. (none / 0) (#119)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 11:47:21 AM EST
    Joe Morgan, the Hall of Fame second baseman who became the sparkplug of the Big Red Machine and the prototype for baseball's artificial turf era, has died. He was 77.

    Morgan's death marked the latest among major league greats this year: Whitey Ford, Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Tom Seaver and Al Kaline.


    This will happen or it won't (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 12:45:59 PM EST

    "Al of a sudden, though, their incentives are aligned: they both want a massive Covid deal in an unthinkably quick timeframe. This may happen, it may not, but both sides seem to be rowing toward the same goal at the moment. Washington has never negotiated on a package of this magnitude this late into a presidential election year."

    "Trump is unreadable and unplayable for most Washington observers because he, in fact, has no governing theory. But, in recent days, he has apparently decided that it is in his political interest to spend trillions of dollars."

    But I want to see the Trump vs Mitch cage match.


    The NYTimes (Oct 9, 2020) (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 02:21:56 PM EST
    reported gingerly, but expressively, the religious communitarian cult that appears to be an integral part of Judge Cony Barrett'a life.  The People of Praise is a small, "especially insular" group whose members are, primarily, very conservative Catholic. It is a movement that began with a "bolt from God". The spiritual fervor involves speaking in tongues--religious ecstasy utterances that may be incomprehensible (e.g. babbling) spoken through the deity.

    The group's beliefs, include a strict view of human sexuality that embraces traditional gender norms and rejects openly gay men and women.  A strong emphasis is placed on differences between the sexes. Men and women are designed by God for different purposes.  A husband's responsibilities include "correcting" his wife should she stray from the proper path.

    Group members are "heavily involved in one another's lives. The term handmaiden is used for female leaders (Amy is listed in the directory as as such for South Bend).  Those who are single often live with married couples and families where tasks are shared. Guidance from leaders is given to singles on dating. A young doctor was advised not to prescribe contraceptives; he later left the group as he found the rigidity was not good for his emotional health. And, too, he found his politics becoming more progressive.

    A former member claimed the closeness is amazing and was "extremely suffocating." Another former member said the "community is more important than anything else in your life.  It's a whole different level than being a member of a church."

    Judge Cony Barrett's father, a lawyer for Shell Oil, was a leader in a Christian community that became People of Praise.  The young Amy was embedded in the community and went to Notre Dame Law, the group's national hub. She married Jesse Barrett, who himself had been raised in South Bend's People of Praise community.

    Scrutiny of Judge Cony Barrett's communitarian religious cult will be sensitive in hearings, but it needs to be done. The focus should be, primarily, from the point of view of her life's influence on her role as an Associate Justice. It is not a matter of her Catholic religion, but of warily inquiring about the potential impingement of this insular movement upon the laws of the land.


    People need to shut down the (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 02:47:49 PM EST
    whiners about any criticism being anti-Catholic. People of Praise is a cult and I understand the Pope does not consider them part of the Catholic community. Conservatives are the ones that are saying people's faith should be the determining factor and don't believe in any separation.

    The most important guarantee (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 06:09:40 PM EST
    of religious freedom in the Constitution is not the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment, it is the clause of Article VI, para. 3, which states that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Being a member of a certain religious group (any group) or holding certain beliefs (or not holding such beliefs) is not and cannot be a criterion for putting someone on the Court, or for keeping them off the Court. The question(s) to Judge Barrett must be framed in terms of her understanding and appreciation of the relationship between her religious beliefs and her public duties. Republican Senators should be placed in a position to acknowledge that the same rule applies to putting a religious Muslim, or an atheist, or an Orthodox Jew on the Court, as to a Charismatic Catholic.

    She seems to have more than enough (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 06:31:52 PM EST
    legal writings, opinions and speech's in her past to give them plenty to talk about.

    Yes, just take a look (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 01:04:25 PM EST
    at Judge Barrett's words.  In 2006, she gave a commencement speech to law graduates of Notre Dame, in which she exhorted them to make their legal careers a means to an end---and "that end is building the Kingdom of God."

     Subsequent concerns expressed about that speech were defended as having nothing to do with building a theocracy or proselitizing--just that ND graduates are special; and these words were a benign urging to bring their religious faith into the public sphere.

    However, Judge Barrett, as a former Scalia clerk and Scalia "texualist", should be aware that a temporal understanding, especially for a diverse country, may construe her call to graduates as an urging to join a theocratic political project.

     A thought not inconceivable given the insular perspectives of her life-long religious communitarianism and the likely permanent minority views of her extremist political conservatism needing a theocracy so as to stay in power.

    In this context, her claims to "apply the law as written" give rise to serious questions. For example, any judgment based on Constitutional principle may not be a law as written--the Kingdom of God may not find privacy in the 14th Amendment, but could find hand guns (which did not exist at the time) in the 2nd Amendment. A law as written, could be blatantly unconstitutional.

    And, too, it might be questioned if it is the Supreme Court's role is to "apply" the law, rather than interpreting the law so that lower courts know how to apply the law.  


    Republicans are worried (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 02:02:44 PM EST
    I just watched Beit Hume twist himself into a Gordian knot discussing "all this silly stuff about Justice Handmaiden voting to overturn Roe v Wade".  

    I think they are worried that democrats won't step on their own dick this time and stick to relevant topics.


    Another good bit from that (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 02:09:21 PM EST
    Wallace and Hume agreed that if she is confirmed "the court would become a less relevant issue for voters"

    Really.  Who's voters?  Not us.  It was like a warning they think if she is confirmed before the lame duck their voters will celebrate and stay home.  And oh, by the way, watch out for the blue wave.

    That makes a lot of sense from their point of view.  Will they wait?


    They did not say (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 02:11:55 PM EST
    Before the lame duck.  They said before the election.

    As you have (none / 0) (#104)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 03:31:07 PM EST
    written, Captain, Joe, Kamala and other Democrats, with strategic wisdom, have not allowed themselves to answer repeated questions regarding the idea of expanding the membership of the Supreme Court.  

      The backing off of FDR's proposal to add Justices, apparently a political necessity at the time, did put the fear of the Lord into Justices.previously hell bent on over-turning  the New Deal.  
    The Biden "no comment", in a creative fashion may have a similar effect without election-time risk.

    However, Court expansion, both the number of Supreme Court Justices and the number of Circuit Courts is an idea whose time has come as a result of judicial and political necessity.  

    In a comment in a previous thread I presented arguments for such expansion, including Court packing by Republicans, the additional states admitted to the Union and the population increase since setting the present number of Supreme Court Justices in 1869. And, the legal and social complexities associated with such changes.  Moscow Mitch, essentially, reduced the number of SC justices to eight for a year, by refusing to even interview Judge Merrick Garland.  

    While, I believe, a persuasive case can be made for Court reform, Constitutional protection of Americans will wind up happening by blunt political effort.  But, then, Constitutional checks and balances on the Courts have been entrusted to the Congress---a political body.


    I think I (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 03:40:05 PM EST
    Just tried to say the same thing down there

    Just (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 03:57:25 PM EST

    Rather than say "no comment," I think (none / 0) (#111)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 06:39:46 PM EST
    it would be better if Biden were to say, more or less, "There are serious, sensible people in my Party urging that response to the Republicans' dishonest tactics in packing the courts, not just the Supreme Court but also the lower federal courts, with extremists, in the hope that those judges will assist them in preserving their undemocratic, minority control of our government. Others in my Party, whom I respect equally, are putting forward good arguments against it. When and if the time comes, I will listen thoughtfully to both sides and try to make the best decision I can."

    If he did that (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 07:25:32 PM EST
    The headline would be



    Agreed, (none / 0) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 09:27:54 PM EST
    and play into the Republican talking point that Biden is a puppet---indecisive and beholden to AOC, Pelosi, or villain du jour.

    Another response might be (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 04:40:35 PM EST
    Why is the press so concerned about this question when both the president and the VP have refused to answer the more important question "will you accept the results of the election?"

    The Wackiest "Textualist" Argument (none / 0) (#112)
    by RickyJim on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 06:57:53 PM EST
    is that the First Amendment doesn't allow restrictions on corporations giving as much money as they want to political causes.

    That (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 07:28:19 PM EST
    needs to go too. I hope Biden will get rid of Citizen's United.

    I think you mean "originalist" (none / 0) (#115)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 08:36:57 PM EST
    not "textualist." Textualism is the Scalia-ites' methodology for reading and applying statutes (which does not always produce reactionary results, as we see from the LGBTQ Title VII cases this spring ("Bostock")). "Originalism" is their theory for interpreting the Constitution, which is what underlies "Citizens United" (supposedly).

    Judge Bsrrett has (none / 0) (#117)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 09:45:01 PM EST
    said,, in honoring her mentor, Justice Scalia, that " his judicial philosophy is mine.". Somehow, I would be willing to bet, that she would be more likely to be have been in dissent along with Alito than with Gorsuch in the majority in Bostock v Clayton County.   Textualism, at times, can be malleable.

    They are (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 03:47:19 PM EST
    axios (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 08:24:38 PM EST
    I keep reading (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 02:48:33 PM EST
    Republicans are clinging to the hope democrats will say thing about her religion they can put in commercials and misrepresent.

    It could happen.  The questions definitely need to be asked.  But boy, it's a minefield.  This is all they have now in the way of an Oct surprise.

    I hope they can force Covid testing, why wouldn't they, and shut the whole thing down before the shouting starts

    Will they try to do it remotely?  I think I read there are restrictions on voting remotely.  


    The fact (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 03:16:57 PM EST
    is they don't even have to mention the word "Catholic" They can just ask about People of Praise and their beliefs and why she is listed as a handmaiden.

    The description of People of Praise (none / 0) (#102)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 03:07:12 PM EST
    sounds eerily akin to the Son of Jacob from Handmaid's Tale. Read the book, it gives a much better background on their beliefs than than the Hulu series.

    There is no way Barrett should be on the Supreme Court. These people believe biblical law supersedes the US Constitution and any actual statutes. That can not be allowed.


    The thing is (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 03:20:00 PM EST
    It can't be stopped for those reasons.  It should be stopped for lots of reasons but Peter has an informative comment on that subject somewhere here.

    Yes, it sucks.  It might not be stopped.

    Here's another way to (try to) think about it.   Democrats  cant stop this.  I mean maybe there will be some Coronavirus level intervention from god but otherwise they probably can't stop it.

    But she is a walking excuse to expand the court.  We are a diverse country.  They shouldn't be all anything.  Personally I include Christian.  

    She should not be excluded because of her beliefs and the court should be diverse enough there can be a handmaiden without disastrous results.  

    She can't be the deciding vote.  That should be the argument.
    Its a good one IMO.


    I have (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 04:07:05 PM EST
    read that the Handmaid's Tale was based on Coney Barrett's cult.

    It isn't (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 04:39:23 PM EST
    The false link between Amy Coney Barrett and The Handmaid's Tale, explained
    They're not actually connected. But the story spread anyway.
    By Constance Grady@constancegrady  Updated Sep 26, 2020, 5:53pm EDT

    The inaccurate link between the People of Praise and Atwood's story, perpetuated by a series of confusing coincidences and uneven fact-checking, first emerged in a Newsweek article and was later picked up by Reuters. Both articles have since been corrected, but the right was furious at both. The Washington Examiner called it a "smear that just won't die." Fox News noted several other outlets have mentioned Barrett and The Handmaid's Tale in the same story.

    To be absolutely clear: People of Praise is not an inspiration for The Handmaid's Tale, and the group does not practice sexual slavery or any of the other dystopian practices Atwood wrote about in her novel. But the argument over whether or not the two are connected reflects the deeply contentious atmosphere in which Barrett's nomination to the Supreme Court occurs -- and the immense symbolic weight The Handmaid's Tale carries in American popular culture.

    That sounds (none / 0) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 04:44:03 PM EST
    like Fox getting a taste of their own medicine in regards to the smear that won't die. How many people has Fox wrongly smeared over the last 2 decades? I'm sure it's too many to count. Maybe they will learn something when it is their ox getting gored.

    However (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 04:50:33 PM EST
    this is a serious problem for Coney Barrett since a news item just popped up on my phone where she is literally swearing that she will follow the law not the dictates of People of Praise. After Brett Kavanaugh lied over and over in his hearings we should question whether any federalist society member won't do the same thing.

    Joni Ernst is now asking that the judiciary committee members all take COVID tests. This whole thing has become some sort of rolling disaster for the GOP.


    SNL cold open (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 08:14:29 AM EST
    The Biden campaign (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 08:21:01 AM EST
    Is flatly refusing to answer the " court packing" question.  They just did it again on CNN with Tapper doing everything but stamping his feet and holding his breath.

    This is smart.  They should keep doing it.  It's terrifying republicans who expected them to be terrified by the question.  Instead they are slapping it aside with a smile.  Keep doing it.

    The media has now picked this up and it's going to be asked at every opportunity.  

    Just heard a talker say something (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 04:04:36 PM EST
    I think might be important.  And that the left might be mostly unaware of if they don't surf the crazy wave occasionally.  Trump supporters do not think he is losing.  They don't believe the fake news polls.  They have polls of their own.  This is something I have really noticed in checking the crazies FB posts.  They really don't think he is losing.

    Or that he is going to lose.  I saw polls that gave Trump a 99% chance of winning.

    I don't know what this means for us after Nov 3rd.  But it seems likely Trump supporters like Russia are spreading this stuff in the hope of causing as much chaos and possible.  

    I think it will work.  20-30% of the country is going to believe the election was stolen.  

    I hope the FBI and others are as worried about this as I am.

    I think there is a chance they may be.  Michigan.

    I am as concerned as you are. (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 04:35:49 PM EST
    Again. Michigan.

    This is cult behavior. I said it before and will repeat, we are in People's Temple territory with some of his supporters. They will lie, maim, or kill for their dear leaders.



    I don't think people who do not (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 04:42:11 PM EST
    interact with them really understand this.

    He said another thing (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 04:12:36 PM EST
    I had not considered.  With all of us thinking he needs to win in a landslide for everyone to believe it.

    If they don't think he is behind, they don't, if they don't think he is losing, they don't, then they are going to be even more incredulous if the guy they think can't possibly lose loses in a landslide.  

    It's a thought.


    Yes, and the (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 05:03:35 PM EST
    bad part is there is gonna be no one to tell them because they only listen to Trump. Even McConnell yelling from the rooftops it is not stolen won't work.

    I have to say though it is starting to sink in with some of them that Trump is going to lose but even if it's 10% that thinks Trump is going to win in a landslide that's still millions of people to cause a lot of havoc.


    For what it's worth (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 05:12:47 PM EST
    In separate interviews with Reuters about their plans for election night, top executives at five major news networks described a focus on restraint, not speed; on transparency about what remains unknown; and on a reassuring message that slow results don't signify a crisis.

    I would be surprised if OANN is one of the 5



    Also probably true (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 12:52:18 PM EST
    3. A Biden blowout will divorce Trump from the GOP establishment--and quickly.

    But the question is not what the president will do; his vanity compels him to cry foul no matter the outcome. The more important question is how the Republican Party would respond to his loss. This is something GOP leaders are actively thinking about. And from what I can gather, it could very well represent the breaking point of Trump's relationship with the GOP establishment. Here's why.

    There is reason to be skeptical of some of the Republicans who have enabled and justified Trump's assault on institutions these past five years. But keep in mind: They are on the ballot, too. If Mitch McConnell agrees that Biden's victory is illegitimate, he is making the case that his own victory in Kentucky is illegitimate. That is not going to happen. Could you see a few of the president's congressional sycophants go over the cliff with him? Sure. But the overwhelming majority of Republicans, confronted with the reality of a landslide defeat in the Electoral College, will realize that it's time to see Trump out--and time to look ahead to 2024.

    I would just mention the possibility Mitch also loses.



    Mitch (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 01:10:28 PM EST
    may have just lost the race last night when he laughed about COVID relief. he is the one that asked McGrath for a debate and so I am guessing his internal numbers are worse than what we have seen publicly.

    I just can't see that (none / 0) (#138)
    by leap on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 01:26:07 PM EST
    evil turd losing. No way. He'll cheat his way to winning. He knows how. He's a Republican, after all. But a Republican at the top of the garbage pile.

    You should watch the debate (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 01:41:09 PM EST
    Looking for something to take my mind (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 05:55:26 PM EST
    off the Supreme Court.

    Found it accordions and a Bavarian yodeler with good moves bad teeth and lederhosen

    I didn't think about ACB once for 2:41.

    Trump must go.. (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by desertswine on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 11:44:25 PM EST
    Grown-ups have to take charge. It's more than just us.

    Half of the coral populations on Australia's Great Barrier Reef -- from "big mamas" to the little baby coral they spawn -- have been wiped out in the warming ocean, a new study says.

    "We expect this decline to continue" because of warming caused by humans, Hughes said. "The only effective way to improve the outcome for coral reefs is global action on greenhouse gasses. If global temperatures rise to 3 or 4 [degrees Celsius], the reef will be unrecognizable, so there is no time to lose."

    We voted! (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 10:29:17 AM EST
    Filled out our ballots and put them in the secure lock box in front of the county Board of Elections.

    Voted (none / 0) (#181)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 01:11:54 PM EST
    on paper ballot at the Board of Elections in St. Louis County.

    Lines to get in and vote.  Everyone who also voted by this method has mentioned that there were lines. The lines moved well and the wait wasn't too long. Great to see so many people queuing up to vote.


    My wife and I (none / 0) (#183)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 03:41:38 PM EST
    took our ballots downtown to the Election office today. Attended dropbox in the lobby. Small line. Lots of people going in and out dropping off ballots.

    Good sign around this part of PA, lots of Biden signs popping up. I drove up the Post office in the borough north of me. Three Bidens to one orange doofus on the main drag. 2016 you couldn't find a Hillary sign around here. Except in front of my house. I am actually feeling good about Biden/Harris winning my county. And the PA-10 going blue. I want so badly to send my last nastygram to Scott Perry to wish him farewell.


    Lincoln Project: (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 02:35:38 PM EST
    Girl In The Mirror  Good one.

    I agree (none / 0) (#186)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 05:04:09 PM EST
    Very powerful ad.

    Another (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 06:44:51 PM EST
    J, have you tried Audible? (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 01:33:28 PM EST

    Lovecraft Country (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 01:44:21 PM EST
    I think it's pretty special.  Raise your hand if you expected chubby unassuming Aunt Hippolyta  to be the time traveling superhero.

    Also the fact they made both Hippolyta and Ruby, um, large women.  Ruby mostly.  Ruby is large and in charge and she has a steaming hot role.  Very unusual for a tv drama.   Maybe a chubby star but not the repeated steamy as heck beautifully shot S€X scenes.  With a man who is really a white woman.  

    Also the last episode included the funeral of Emmett Till.  And made you feel you were there.  But the scene where the woman mentioned above with Ruby, after being told she can't imagine how they feel about Emmett, pays two rednecks to kill her, she can return, exactly the way Emmett Till was murdered.

    I confess I did not know the details.  But you should give a google and read about it.   And this is shot close up and personal.  They beat her, a lot, shoot her, twice, tie her to a heavy object with barbed wire around her neck and drop her in the river.

    One of the most horrific things I ever saw.  And as you are watching you realize it is harder for you to watch because they are doing it to a beautiful well dressed white lady.

    Pretty good stuff.  EMMYs are in its future I think.

    ScreenRant (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 03:24:50 PM EST
    So good (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 12:05:59 PM EST
    All Claudia (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 02:00:17 PM EST
    is doing is showing that Kellyanne is the horrible person at home that we've all known was horrible from TV appearances for decades.

    Claudia Conway (none / 0) (#8)
    by BGinCA on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 04:26:49 PM EST
    My question is why her parents still allow this 15 yr. girl to still have a cell phone and maintain a Tik Tok account.

    Because that's what 15-year-olds do. (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:19:06 PM EST
    Seriously, Claudia Conway was recently infected with COVID thanks to her own mother Kellyanne's callous indifference to public health and social distancing protocols while attending that Federalist Society reception at the White House for the absurdly over-Catholicized Judge Amy Coney Barrett.

    I mean, here we are in the midst of the worst worldwide pandemic in a century, and Kellyanne Conway just brazenly blew off the coronavirus as the hoax she and her boss kept calling it. If any teenaged girl ever enjoyed a right to call out her own mother publicly for reckless endangerment, it's Claudia.

    Personally speaking, I'm not one who believes in bending children to our personal will. We're not in competition with them, fer Gawd's sake. And may Heaven help them if ever we are, because that's a deeply unfair contest which they'd lose.

    Teenagers have every right to voice their opinions on current events. As parents and grandparents, we should encourage them to be informed and applaud them for speaking up and asking questions, rather than admonish them for daring to disagree with us or others in positions of authority.

    If we want our teenagers to eventually become independent and responsible adults, we must give them opportunities to demonstrate those traits and then trust them to navigate their world wisely and safely, even as we do keep our eye on them while they flex their wings.



    She has two parents, you know (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:34:11 AM EST
    Her dad may be perfectly okay with this.

    This is good (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 03:34:15 PM EST
    I like this (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by leap on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 04:15:06 PM EST
    me too! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 04:27:08 PM EST
    Drink (none / 0) (#6)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 04:13:28 PM EST
    the hydroxychloroquine doesn't have the same ring as drink the koolaid. Same mentality though.

    Why Clorox? (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:25:22 PM EST
    Wouldn't Lysol or fingernail polish remover also do in a pinch?

    Brand new video of Trump (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 04:55:25 PM EST
    Coming to a tweet near you.

    Says  Covid was a gift from god.

    He has on so much pancake it looks like he in in blackface.
    Maybe the lighting.

    Here's (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 04:57:35 PM EST
    I watched it with the sound off.. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 09:55:32 PM EST
    and he still sounds crazy.

    He has a message for seniors (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 12:46:38 PM EST
    which will totally fix his 27 point deficit with seniors

    He keeps releasing these absolutely looney toons videos.  I guess because all his usual minders are sick and he is home alone.

    This is just another republican face palm.


    Can't wait to find out whether he is using (none / 0) (#46)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 01:19:30 PM EST
    White House staffers as his videographers and sound engineers, or whether the campaign is paying for them. (And whether those poor folks on the crew are using PPE while running the video equipment.)

    Looks like Mr. Pumpkin (none / 0) (#51)
    by desertswine on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 04:00:17 PM EST
    is flying high on his medications and who knows what else.

    I think the "who knows what else" is (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by vml68 on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 10:48:22 PM EST
    responsible for this statement.

    "I'm back because I'm a perfect physical specimen and I'm extremely young, and so I'm lucky in that way."

    I cracked up when he said in one of his videos that Melania was only a "tiny bit" younger than him.
    I'm sure that's how most normal people would describe a 24 year difference. Oy!


    Boy this could be the epitaph (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 07, 2020 at 07:44:12 PM EST
    This is a seriously weird video.   Even by Trump standards.  This is creepy and frightening.  And so weird to do before the debate so even if Pence does well it won't be the story.

     Not just the stream of conciseness but the weird makeup.  It has broken the internet.


    538 poll of polls (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 08:58:07 AM EST
    Today (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 07:53:53 AM EST
    Trump is cross with Barr (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 09:58:47 AM EST
    This seems like a good thing

    President Trump called FBI director Christopher Wray "disappointing," criticizing him for not doing more to investigate voter fraud, after Wray said there is no evidence of any coordinated fraud ahead of the election. CBS News reports.

    Said Trump: "He's been disappointing. He doesn't see the voting ballots as a problem."

    Trump also expressed frustration with Attorney General William Barr, arguing that he had not done enough to prosecute the president's political enemies.

    That last bit could be about rumors the Durham report might not be released before the election.

    Playbook (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 05:57:35 PM EST
    "U.S. ATTORNEY JOHN DURHAM -- tasked by Attorney General William Barr to review the 2016-era Russia investigation -- is not expected to release information related to the probe before Election Day, according to sources on and off the Hill. Senate Republicans running similar investigations were told of the intention within the last week -- and it's why they've been stepping up their releases of declassified documents.



    Oops (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 06:02:57 PM EST
    Odds For a Biden Win Keep Rising (none / 0) (#44)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 11:00:33 AM EST
    The Michigan Militia (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 01:41:51 PM EST
    is at it again. Last time we heard of them was the OKC bombing. Now they were plotting to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer and try her for treason.

    I quickly skimmed the story in the Detroit News (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 02:21:47 PM EST
    (via Google News) and I must say, they seem like some very fine people.

    Same name different folks (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 01:55:36 PM EST

    See new Tweets

    Ioan Grillo
    I actually interviewed a militia leader in Michigan for my new book on gun trafficking. (He isn't one of the arrested.)
    He explained there are dozens of militias in Michigan, and those at the state capitol were from various groups. They are not same "Michigan Militia" of 90s.

    This stuff is going to get worse. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 10:08:31 AM EST
    After Nov. 3. Please be careful.

    Nobody is sick (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 04:27:03 PM EST
    Well that's not entirely accurate

    Vice President Mike Pence, currently in Arizona, has cancelled campaign events in Indiana tomorrow and will be returning to Washington, D.C. instead, the AP reports.

    His spokesman tells CBS News that "nobody's sick" and "there's no positive tests."

    RawStory (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 04:28:38 PM EST
    Vice President Pence and Second Lady Karen Pence had been scheduled to travel to Indianapolis to cast their ballots by early voting. The trip had been on the books for at least 9 days. The White House provided NO EXPLANATION for Pence's sudden change of plans.

    -- Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) October 8, 2020

    People (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 05:57:12 PM EST
    on twitter are commenting that it looked like Pence had pink COVID eye last night. I wouldn't put it past the WH to be lying about Pence's test results.

    Politicalwire (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 08, 2020 at 05:59:27 PM EST
    "Vice President Mike Pence ignited speculation about his health when he arrived at the only vice presidential debate Wednesday night with a bloody left eye, but a senior administration official on Thursday said there's no reason to be concerned," Politico reports.

    "White House doctors have cleared the vice president of a conjunctivitis infection, commonly known as pink eye, and believe Pence suffered from a broken blood vessel instead."

    FARGO (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 07:48:23 AM EST
    Has returned.  I had missed it with everything else but I caught up yesterday streaming.

    It's as good as ever

    Fargo' Season 4 Is As Good As It Gets -- Again

    Did you catch 'The Good Lord Bird'? (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:48:58 PM EST
    I highly recommend it. Ethan Hawke absolutely nails it as fire-breathing radical abolitionist John Brown, who has to be one of the most fascinating and darkly colorful characters in American history. The bloody path he cut to Harper's Ferry was a harbinger of the madness and violence that would grip the country soon thereafter. Yes, the old man was probably off his rocker but then, true prophets often are.

    Yes (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 02:37:29 AM EST
    I just discovered it.

    What he said (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 12:00:56 PM EST
    "I know it's tempting fate to mention the idea, foolish to entertain it, mad to expect it, but the possibility of a landslide is now real. There are about ten points between the two candidates with three weeks to go, and the momentum is overwhelmingly with the challenger. Among the likeliest scenarios in 538's poll of polls is now a Biden Electoral College victory of over 400. Texas is in play. The Harris-Pence debate changed nothing, but firmly established Harris' credentials as a possible president."

    "And all this changes a huge amount. A Biden win would be a reprieve for the country; a Biden landslide would be an American miracle."

    "Unlike anything else, it would cauterize the wound of Trump, preventing further infection. It would say to posterity: we made this hideous mistake, for understandable reasons, but after four years, we saw what we did and decisively changed course. It would turn the Trump era of nihilism, tribalism and cruelty into a cautionary tale of extremism, illiberalism and, above all, failure... A landslide loss for Trump would mitigate, if not remove, the deep damage he has done."


    Andrew Sullivan? (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by leap on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 01:14:22 PM EST
    Really? He has any credibility? He's still around? Ain't gonna read it. Screw him.

    It's a free country (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 01:28:41 PM EST
    for now more or less.

    I expected that response.  But I expected it for the "bipartisan" stuff.  Which I don't 100% agree with.  I also don't entirely disagree.

    The part of that I agree with is the idea a landslide would be a very good thing for the country and the world.   We have wondered here before how to deal with Trump supporters after Trump.  A landslide win and a big mandate would help with that.  IMO.

    As far as AS I think he's a pretty smart guy.  But I realize he is one of those evil devious never Trumpers.  It is what it is.


    A Biden landslide would not end our (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 03:08:41 PM EST
    present national nightmare. From November 6 (or whenever enough votes will have been counted to say for sure that the result is in fact an insurmountable landslide, both popular and electoral [both being necessary]) until January 21 is about ten weeks. Who can even imagine the awful things the half-caged and tortured beast might do or unleash during that time. Surely not participating in an orderly transition, as would be normal. I think that is why Pelosi is introducing legislation to more fully implement the 25th Amendment, not thinking it could be implemented now, and not for some future hypothetical day, as she has suggested, but because it may very well be needed during those ten weeks (after being enacted over the veto). For more info on the 25th Amend, here is the National Constitution Center's discussion.

    No. Didn't suggest it would (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 03:50:38 PM EST
    But I think a big enough win would make all that follows safer.  Because the outcome would be more predictable.  

      No doubt he will do whatever.   Multiple people have warned about bombing some unfortunate country.  I was just watching a discussion of the possibility he would prophylacticly (word?) pardon himself.  As Ford did with Nixon.  No matter what I did I pardon myself.  

    Who doubts he would try that.  And apparently it would be a legal question if he could do it.  What do you think?  They made a pretty good case.  At least good enough the courts may get have to decide.

    But the bigger the loss the better.  I also think, I think I said this before, that the country and the world would be better off if he completely loses it after losing.  There are people who literally think the guy is some kind of savior.  More of them than you or I would like to believe. Losing an election will not change their minds nd.  His complete exposure and disgrace is the best outcome we can hope for.

    Will his complete exposure and disgrace come with substantial risk, yes it will.  But his retreat, unscathed and mostly intact,  to some lair where he runs some kind of insane government in exile would also involve risk.  


    I didn't think that you were suggesting it. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:06:09 AM EST
    But Sullivan seemed to be.

    Btw (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 04:08:10 PM EST
    I agree that idea of giving the congress some say in the 25th amendment process is an idea who's time has come.  

    But I would be very surprised if it is enacted before next Jan.  Very very surprised.


    Here is a good (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 04:47:36 PM EST
    discussion of a presidential self-pardon.  This essay concludes that a self-pardon is not constitutionally permissible, but points out other opinions such as Richard Nixon's (he said it was OK, but the OLC said no). The Handmaiden Judge, along with Alito and Thomas would likely make Nixon proud.

    Nancy Pelosi is just proposing the completion of the provisions of the 25th Amendment.  Section 4 has two mechanisms: (l) VP and majority of Cabinet or (2) VP and body designated by Congress.  

    Congress has never created such a body.


    Then again (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 08:07:23 AM EST
    if he loses he can always resign and have a Pence pardon him.

    Thank god for that slippery (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 04:52:36 PM EST
    Cy Vance.
    Yes, the discussion I mentioned agreed it was not constitutional.  But also agreed that would not stop him from doing it and forcing the courts to speak.  

    This is almost unbelievable (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 03:56:03 PM EST
    Do they really think anyone cares?

    Mike Pompeo told Fox News he has some of Hillary Clinton's emails and is working to publicly release them before the election.

    It's not at all clear what emails he's talking about.

    Which election is that? (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 09, 2020 at 06:30:18 PM EST

    Democrats should demand tests (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 07:48:54 AM EST
    Before attending this hearing

    See new Tweets

    Nate Silver
    Repeating myself and others here, but the reason Lindsey Graham won't get tested despite having been exposed to many COVID+ people is because if he reveals a positive test and has to quarantine the Amy Coney Barrett nomination could get scuttled. There is no other logical reason.

    Have there (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 10, 2020 at 11:43:39 AM EST
    been any sightings of Pence and Mother?

    SNOPES (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 08:31:08 AM EST
    Is Pinkeye a Symptom of COVID-19?

    Pinkeye, or conjunctivitis, is a symptom of COVID-19.

     Mostly True

    What's True
    Pinkeye, or conjunctivitis, is a known but rare symptom of COVID-19, particularly among children.

    What's False
    However, this symptom is not very common according to studies, and having pinkeye does not necessarily mean that one has COVID-19.


    Pence and Mother, (none / 0) (#97)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 11, 2020 at 12:01:37 PM EST
    still missing in inaction?  Maybe raptured.

    Fauci: Trump is harassing me (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 12, 2020 at 06:06:26 PM EST
    Stop the presses (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 11:08:54 AM EST
    Mittens is troubled

    Said Romney: "Leaders must tone it down. I'm troubled by our politics, as it has moved away from spirited debate to a vile, vituperative, hate-filled morass that is unbecoming of any free nation -- let alone the birthplace of modern democracy."

    And (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 11:22:57 AM EST
    he calls out C-list pundit?
    "Keith Olbermann calls the president a `terrorist.'
    May be we should ask him what he thinks of Ted Nugent.

    He could have pretty dam easily (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 11:30:43 AM EST
    stuck with elected republicans to go with the elected Dems.

    A-hole mealy mouth pud.


    There's a whole thing (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 11:19:23 AM EST
    Senator Whitehouse (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 12:00:37 PM EST
    Is kicking butt

    Coney-Barrett (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 12:31:02 PM EST
    is worse than anything I have read. Her judicial views are simply appalling.

    Barrett is unfit (none / 0) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 01:30:58 PM EST
    to be a local police magistrate, let alone a Supreme Court Justice.   She appears to have lived her 48-years in a social cocoon enshrouded by cultist fanaticism.   An inbreed reactionary who is more that willing to lie in the service of power for a twisted cause.

    She is the (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 01:49:06 PM EST
    living breathing version of Serena Joy from the Handmaid's Tale.

    Her dress (none / 0) (#142)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 02:14:00 PM EST
    is the same color as the Handmaiden robes.  An unlikely happenstance.  

    Or not (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 02:31:01 PM EST
    Agreed. (none / 0) (#144)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 03:30:45 PM EST
    Senator Whitehouse's presention at the Barrett hearing is MUST viewing.  As for specific questions for Judge Barrett, they are to come tomorrow; this is the tee-up.  

    While this will not make a difference in this sham nomination, it is a great tee-up, as well, for Court re-balancing through reform.


    Nancy just (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:19:32 PM EST
    Melted that idiot Wolf Blitzers face right off.

    It was great.

    About Whitehouse yes.  I haven't been really watching but I was surfing by when he was up and I couldn't change it.


    Said melting (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:41:32 PM EST
    That's only a tiny part of it (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:50:47 PM EST
    She just went on and on

    I'm sure it will be up if it's not already.

    I especially like "you really don't know what you are taking about"


    Better (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 05:01:06 PM EST
    It struck me as (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 07:09:44 PM EST
    the best argument I've heard for court reform.

    Explaining the reasons reform is needed did not start with the two stolen Justice spots in the term of Trump.


    I think he might be right (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:38:40 PM EST
    James Carville predicted that Joe Biden will be declared the winner of the presidential election by 10:30 p.m. ET on Election Night, The Hill reports.

    Let's hope so

    This is how you answer stupid questions (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:45:36 PM EST
    It's to bad she can't donate some of her balls to Biden like she was giving him a kidney or something.

    Oops (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:46:11 PM EST
    That was for the Nancy comment

    What is wrong (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 04:55:26 PM EST
    with the Obama wing of the party, mostly men? I don't get it. I mean at least AOC doesn't shy from the heat. And it's not because he's a centrist. There are plenty of centrists with guts like Joe Manchin.

    Some of them (5.00 / 3) (#153)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 05:04:56 PM EST
    have not yet recovered from their delusions of bipartisanship.  Even, then, those delusions were based on imperfect nostalgia for the good old days when Reagan and Tip O'Neill had a glass of bourbon together after a hard day of governing.

    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 05:20:24 PM EST
    that's the big downside to Biden and one of the reasons why he was my next to last choice in the primary. You would think after seeing what happened with Obama he would have learned. Maybe Biden thinks he is special and they will work with him but Obama thought the same thing and that didn't work out. It seems that those around Biden seem to understand this is a problem as I have seen things in the press like we'll give the GOP a chance but we're gonna move on without them which is better than spending a year begging for their votes like Obama.

    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#156)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 07:23:26 PM EST
    I haven't the slightest doubt that Biden will be anything other than another kumbaya President. It will be another chapter in lost opportunities.

    Lord (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2020 at 08:09:40 PM EST
    I hope you are wrong. Kumbaya has done nothing but allowed the GOP to inflict misery on millions of Americans. Maybe Biden won't run for a second term if that happens.

    Lindsey (none / 0) (#159)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 14, 2020 at 09:21:31 AM EST
    "And one of the reasons you can say with confidence that you think Brown v. Board of Education is super-precedent is you're not aware of any effort to go back to the good old days of segregation."

    Tired of this? (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2020 at 05:05:19 PM EST
    Last night one of my favorite films in the world was on TCM at 3 am.  I recorded it but SLING f'ed it up and it wouldn't play.

    I'm wondering if others have had this problem with SLING.

    About 2-3 times out of 10 or so it just won't play.  It make me mental.  Anyway.

    I went to my fire stick and found it to rent for 3.99.  So totally worth it.

    The Night Porter

    Not for the squeamish.  Gorgeous.  Charlotte Rampling at her most beautiful.  Dirk Bogarde  at his most artfully twisted.

    It will make you forget about your problems for two hours.

    Not matter what I see (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 11:47:17 AM EST
    Charlotte Rampling in, I think of The Night Porter.

    Kind of gallows humor funny (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2020 at 07:49:12 PM EST
    The tweet and the first two replies

    See new Tweets

    Oct 13
     I suggest u use pocket card at podium w 5 short sentences on what u've accomplished 5 things that differentiate u from Biden 5 things u will accomplish in next 4 yrs Focusing on these simple highlights will help ur msg &only take 5mins then say whatever u want

    Oct 13
    Replying to
    He only has one thing he wants to accomplish - stay out of prison.

    Ron Baker
    Replying to
    We trust Trump to say what he wants to say. That ability is what got him where he is. Your advice, however well intended, runs against who he is and what he is.

    Twitter Blocks NY Post (none / 0) (#162)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 09:55:36 AM EST
    Cruz says they will hold hearings on it and call CEO to testify.

    This is what they want him to testify about.

    Sure (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 02:46:54 PM EST
    and Jack can show up and tell them he blocked a Russian intelligence operation from spreading propaganda. The guy who claims it is Hunter Biden never even saw Hunter Biden drop the laptop off. More than likely this is a repeat of the Kremlin 2016 operation. More than likely Cruz is going to look like more of an idiot.

    Jack also blocked QAnon from spreading propaganda on twitter. I guess you have a problem with that too? I mean after all there are Republican politicians who support Qanon.


    Because the journalistic standards (none / 0) (#163)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 10:40:07 AM EST
    of private American publishers (versus Giuliani's promotion of unverifiable cr*p) is the important legislative issue that the Senate needs to devote its (apparently quite limited) time and attention to. This, indeed, is First Amendment originalism in its purest form.

    The Senate will question (1.00 / 1) (#166)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 12:17:05 PM EST
    Dorsey about equal application.  Do you have an opinion on that?

    How about the Biden camp's wishy washy statement which never questioned the accuracy of the NY Post story; just said Biden's schedule never had the meeting on it's official agenda, any opinion on that?

    Not to mention a vid of Hunter smoking what looks to be pot or crack while having carnal relations with someone who is not his wife.

    Have to say it almost seems like Twitter seems to be secretly helping Trump by making sure the story will get more play due to their trying to sweep it under the rug than it would if they just let it play out.

    Bottom line is the claims made by the NY Post seems to be real and will hurt Biden.


    I will respond to the only one of your (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 01:03:18 PM EST
    insincere questions that is important, the one about Ted Cruz's call for a Senate hearing. In my opinion, as I thought I had made clear earlier, it violates the First Amendment freedom of the press for Congress to "investigate" the "fairness" of any journalist or publisher's work, particularly for the purpose of political grandstanding or to put pressure on the outlet to offer coverage more supportive of any Senator's political positions.

    You need (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 12:23:30 PM EST
    To get out more.  Mask up.

    Objection (none / 0) (#168)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 12:33:17 PM EST
    non responsive.

    Very similar to the Biden's response.  Not addressing the issue or even denying it; rather trying to change the subject.

    It is well established Hunter was discharged from military service for failure to pass a drug test and even his Dad has admitted Hunter has a drug problem.  His financial activities may not, or may, be illegal but it is clear he used his Dad's position to enrich himself.

    This was always going to come out.  But as usual you seem to miss the point of my post which is Twitter gave the story more legs than it deserved by trying to sweep it under the rug.


    Ok here's a response (5.00 / 3) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 12:43:20 PM EST
    How desperate are you to crawl out from under your rock for this.

    I realize it's been slim pickings for you all lately but jeez.  Have a little self respect.

    That is laughable.  It will "hurt Biden" at least as much as Cal Cunningham's naughty texts have hurt him.


    No one cares about (5.00 / 3) (#173)
    by MKS on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 01:28:25 PM EST
    the "point" of your post.

    Please come back on November 4.


    The First Amendment (none / 0) (#172)
    by MKS on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 01:27:39 PM EST
    protects against governmental interference with the press.  It has NO application to private companies, or what the press decides to publish.

    Conservatives do not get this.  They think the First Amendment or the Equal Protection Clause means all the stupid idiocy they believe must be given equal respect and weight by the press.

    The marketplace of ideas, of which Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, means that stupid and racist ideas may get washed out, or not given any attention.

    Conservatives, you are not guaranteed an audience for your idiocy--just that the government will not stop from trying to get an audience.

    Cruz's hearing is grandstanding, idiotic and unconstitutional--it does represent government interfernce with free speech rights.


    The (none / 0) (#174)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 01:46:16 PM EST
    story is ludicrous on it's face and the source is light years from credible
    Mac Isaac appeared nervous throughout. Several times, he said he was scared for his life and for the lives of those he loved. He appeared not to have a grasp on the timeline of the laptop arriving at his shop and its disappearance from it. He also said the impeachment of President Trump was a "sham." Social media postings indicate that Mac Isaac is an avid Trump supporter and voted for him in the 2016 election.

    Mac Isaac said he had a medical condition that prevented him from actually seeing who dropped off the laptop but that he believed it to be Hunter Biden's because of a sticker related to the Beau Biden

    A nameless, "faceless" customer drops off a computer(or three) walks out without further ado... if you believe that is real I want to play poker with you.

    Forgot (none / 0) (#175)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 01:47:05 PM EST
    Hey, where'd ya go? (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 04:12:03 PM EST
    President Donald Trump was told last year by U.S. intelligence officials that his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, had been targeted by a Russian intelligence influence operation, the Washington Post reported Thursday.

    Citing four unnamed former officials, the Post reported that multiple intelligence sources and intercepted communications indicated that in December 2019, Giuliani interacted with people with ties to Russian intelligence, raising concerns that he was passing on Russian disinformation to Trump -- perhaps unwittingly.

    At the time, Giuliani had just traveled to Ukraine, reportedly in an attempt to dig up incriminating documents to use against Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

    Late Thursday, the New York Times independently confirmed the Post's report, adding that U.S. intelligence was particularly concerned by Giuliani's meeting with a Ukrainian lawmaker who the U.S. Treasury Department has labeled "an active Russian agent for over a decade."

    On Wednesday, the New York Post published a report alleging influence-peddling by the Bidens, based on unconfirmed emails, purportedly between Hunter Biden and a Ukrainian energy company -- which had previously been hacked by Russian intelligence -- that Giuliani had obtained. Twitter TWTR, -0.47% and Facebook FB, -0.29% blocked the article from being shared, citing concerns over potential misinformation and violations of hacked-materials policies.

    Rudy is the target of Russian disinformation


    You have to wonder (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 04:17:07 PM EST
    If these morons are smart enough, if they come out of their fantasy bubble long enough to understand they are not, and have not for some time been, "owning the libs" but instead are reliably repeatedly owning themselves.

    Owning themselves. (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 05:09:58 PM EST
    Yep, and carrying water for the Kremlin.

    Rudy is a Russian stooge.. (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 09:19:45 PM EST
    Who would've guessed it.  So is Trump.

    And yet, this (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 05:45:00 PM EST
    "With just a few weeks to go before the Nov. 3 vote, the social media companies are continuing to shift their policies and, in some cases, are entirely reversing what they will and won't allow on their sites. On Friday, Twitter underlined just how fluid its policies were when it began letting users share links to an unsubstantiated New York Post article about Hunter Biden that it had previously blocked from its service."

    "The change was a 180-degree turn from Wednesday, when Twitter had banned the links to the article because the emails on which it was based may have been hacked and contained private information, both of which violated its policies."

    these companies are begging for the regulatory hammer

    I can't wait to see it fall.


    Here's a bit of good news (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 06:05:06 PM EST
    FOX is " increasingly uncomfortably"

    "Rudy Giuliani went full Rudy Giuliani during an early appearance on Fox & Friends Friday morning. The former New York City mayor, and current personal attorney to President Trump, was on to discuss the controversial emails leaked earlier this week from an alleged laptop that once belonged to Hunter Biden, son of former Vice President Joe Biden, which has only been reported by the New York Post but remains unverified by any reputable news organization," Mediaite reports.

    "The seven-plus minute segment started in a rather pedestrian manner, but as it continued, Giuliani continued to reveal more and more unverifiable claims which appeared to make the Fox & Friends hosts increasingly uncomfortable."



    There were (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 16, 2020 at 07:59:47 PM EST
    some suspicions back in 2016 that the Russians planted emails on Wiener's laptop. This whole thing is eerily mirroring the same Russian propaganda campaign from 2016.

    We must find out what happened in 2016 and hold people accountable and then move onto 2020 and find those people accountable. Likely it's the same group of people. I hope Biden turns the DOJ loose on them.


    "Bottom line" is that (none / 0) (#199)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 25, 2020 at 01:21:09 PM EST
    ... the tinfoil, Russian-fed lying trolls have no clue about what's real and what isn't.  They live in their own alternate reality that's about to come crashing down on them.  In the land of reality, we know that Hunter Biden isn't a candidate and the NY Post is a joke ... as are the bottom-feeders pushing their Russian propaganda.

    This shall not stand (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 12:03:59 PM EST
    The Senate Judiciary Committee plans to issue a subpoena to Twitter Chief Executive Jack Dorsey after the social-media company blocked a pair of New York Post articles that made new allegations about Joe Biden, which his campaign has denied, the Wall Street Journal reports.

    "The subpoena would require the Twitter executive to testify on Oct. 23 before the committee, according to the Republicans who announced the hearing. Republicans are singling out Twitter because it blocked a pair of stories the Post said were based on email exchanges with Hunter Biden, the Democratic candidate's son, that were provided by allies of President Trump."

    Will (none / 0) (#178)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 02:54:00 PM EST
    ABC's townhall ask Biden about the NY Post story or try and sweep it under the rug.  I would bet dollars to donuts the NBC townhall with Trump will play it up bigtime.

    Also have to wonder about the flack NBC got about going head to head with ABC; not much question about which show will get the higher ratings.


    "Not much question"? (none / 0) (#198)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 25, 2020 at 01:17:13 PM EST
    You mean because you thought it was obvious that Biden would get better ratings?

    Just curious - Is it embarrassing being wrong all the time ... or do you just get used to it after awhile?


    Get ready it's coming (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 12:40:03 PM EST
    "Over the last four years President Trump has seeded the narrative that the 2020 election would be rigged. Those efforts look set to pay off," NBC News reports.

    "A sizable online network built around the president is poised to amplify any claims from Trump about a rigged election, adding reach and enthusiasm that could lend a veneer of legitimacy to otherwise evidence-free allegations."

    "Multiple social media analyses... have detailed how a collection of the president's relatives and members of his inner circle, along with far-right media manipulators and an online army of disciples, has created or spread false or misleading content that supports his `rigged' narrative, while his campaign is urging supporters to join an `army' and `defend their vote.'"


    Had an interesting talk with my brother in law yesterday.   For him social media is coffee at the River Bend Cafe.  He was clearly really shocked when I showed him some of his grandsons FB posts.  I have described them here before.

    He is what you might call a DixieCrat Curmudgeon.  Mad as hell that republicans have taken over the state and also that they are tearing down confederate monuments.

    But he is not a bad person really.  And he was, I hate to use the term, troubled.   We agreed dangerous times ahead.  And that people we knew have become people we don't recognize.

    And the hits just keep on coming (none / 0) (#177)
    by ragebot on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 02:49:00 PM EST
    Man (none / 0) (#179)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 15, 2020 at 04:29:03 PM EST
    you really reek desperation these days. Howdy is right. You need to get out more.

    Utopia (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 17, 2020 at 10:29:41 AM EST
    I was just watching this again (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 09:31:35 AM EST
    It's excellent but David is less than one year younger than me

    Just have to say he looks and sound great.

    Even before Utopia I was playing Rei Momo a lot lately

    Independence Day


    One more before the thread fills up (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 10:34:03 AM EST
    More Stevie Wonder please (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 17, 2020 at 12:58:31 PM EST