A Thankfully Last and Final Trump Debate

Update 5:48 pm MT: I think I will watch after all. I heard CNN on the car radio today and some official said that the mute button is only for the first two minute segments when they each get a chance to talk. (Shouldn't it be for all questions if the one not asked the question butts in and hogs the other candidate's time?) I think they should go further and block out the offender's face and mute his statements and have a chyron that says "Stand by. We will be back momentarily".

Does anyone need another debate to decide between voting for Trump or Biden? I doubt it. Does anyone need a final debate to decide whether to vote at all? Perhaps. [More...]

My ballot is sitting on my desk. I will vote for John Hickenlooper for Colorado Senate and Diana DeGette (running unopposed) for House. As to the rest, I haven't decided. I doubt tonight's debate will be the deciding factor.

Details of the debate are here. Please keep this thread to discussions about the debate.

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    I hope you will follow my example (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 03:32:13 PM EST
    and vote for Kamala Harris for Vice President (and future President). If doing so happens to require you to vote for someone else at the same time, then so be it. Or you can think of it as voting No on the incumbent.

    Both of those things are how I saw it (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:44:36 PM EST
    This election is a referendum on Trump. And I'm promoting Kamala for the future.

    I've asked this before (none / 0) (#2)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 03:39:49 PM EST
    and didn't get an answer so I will try again.  What states allow for separate votes for President and Vice President on Nov 3?  They certainly can.

    HLMGTFY (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 04:53:33 PM EST
    Thanks, So the Answer is No (none / 0) (#4)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 05:34:11 PM EST
    as the second link explicitly states.

    Peter, I'm considering it (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:28:03 PM EST
    Have not yet made a decision. And if I did, it would definitely be because I think Harris is extremely well qualified to take over should the need arise.

    Looks like (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:58:57 PM EST
    he is starting out in his "presidential" mode, which is Trump at his most boring.  Of course, it's lie city.

    Definitely (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:04:24 PM EST
    adjusted his meds.  But the night is young.

    Biden (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:23:48 PM EST
    Is doing pretty well.

    I think.


    The moderator (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:45:33 PM EST
    Seems to be better that the last one.

    Anyone into right-wing conspiracy babble (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 10:05:03 PM EST
    enough to explain the "pillows and sheets" reference for me? Is that a Q-Anon thing, or what?

    I THINK (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 10:15:34 PM EST
    that is a reference to stuff the Obama admin  sent to Ukraine.  The point being they sent them weapons.

    I think.  It's a general thing.  I did not actually catch the moment you are talking about, my attention wanders, but that is a common talking point.


    A lot of talk (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 08:42:13 AM EST
    today about how much of what he said made no sense to anyone who doesn't spend 8 hours a day watching FOX.

    many examples.  The Big Man thing stuck out to me.  I could just see viewers looking at each other and shrugging

    That is the downside of living in an information bubble.  I see it almost every time I have an encounter with the cult.

    They start blathering some nonsense and I stop them and explain.  They never have a response except maybe fake news.  They are completely unprepared to argue what they believe with someone who disagrees because they live in a bubble.

    That was the biggest take away for the whole night.  He was like President Bubble Boy.


    I thought maybe (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Oct 26, 2020 at 12:17:47 AM EST
    he sold pillows and sheets while working his way through law school. (That's how little I know about Biden's early life -- his record in the Senate killed any interest I might have had in him.

    Biden selected (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 26, 2020 at 02:13:27 PM EST
    Senator Harris and that is very god and reflects well on him.

    Eagles win a squeaker (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 10:25:51 PM EST
    22-21. I lost a whole $5 cause they didn't beat the spread.

    Joe's payoff comes Nov. 3.

    I don't understand the search for (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:22:44 PM EST
    "Undecided voters"

    I really don't.  Is there some segment of the CNN audience that tells them they care about what these pathetic attention seekers think.

    IMO if you are still undecided you should not be allowed to vote.  Sorry, try again next time.

    Trump looks like (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:51:45 PM EST
    he would rather be golfing

    He seems more orange (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:56:49 PM EST
    than usual.  

    Very (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:00:36 PM EST
    thickly applied.  What virus?

    He sounds (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:14:25 PM EST
    completely unhinged and untethered

    Which is nothing new I guess but I don't think Mr Poutyface has changed any minds.


    I think I'll watch the Eagles (none / 0) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:54:24 PM EST
    beat the Giants. Can't take the orange clown anymore. Lies, lies and more lies.

    Biden should be (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:31:00 PM EST
    more specific. "I'll make them pay a price" is meaningless.

    Surprisingly Trump didn't (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:32:38 PM EST
    go off the rails until 7:46 pm MT. His voice and tone changed and he started screaming. First time he lost it as opposed to just repeating Rudy's lies.

    If on the rails (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:35:18 PM EST
    Is talking absolute gibberish in day glow orange makeup, yes he was marginally on the rails.  

    But he was doing it calmly (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:37:19 PM EST
    For the most part.  I think he is medicated.  

    I think you're right about being medicated. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 09:00:10 PM EST
    I flipped over during halftime and a couple of other breaks. Orange doofus is squirming when Joe Biden speaks. He can't stand still. He is incapable. He squirms like a 4 year old who has to pee while in the grocery store.

    Could be medication. Just speculating.

    Eagles are up 10 - 7.


    He's lucky it's 90 minutes (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 09:05:58 PM EST
    Because he is literally unraveling before our eyes.  Crazier by the minute.

    I guess it's 2 hours (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 09:17:29 PM EST
    A change. (none / 0) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:41:23 PM EST
    Trump used to say he would repeal ACA and replace it with "something terrific".    Now he will replace ACA with something "beautiful".  

    I just think Trump looks nuts (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:47:29 PM EST
    the relentless scowl.  The darting eyes. The manic hand movements.

    He looks nuts with the sound off.  And way worse with it on.


    But the orphans (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:51:29 PM EST
    Are so well taken care of!  The cages are very clean!

    Joe Biden (none / 0) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 09:50:01 PM EST
    was studied, factual, and persuasive.  His demeanor was calm and respectful in the face of a repugnant liar. Trump's inaugural response could be promises made, promises kept---I promised carnage and l delivered.

    Biden's response to the same question was presidential.

    It was an interesting choice (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 10:04:28 PM EST
    in the face of having his children and family attacked as money grubbing criminals to NOT go after Trumps own family.

    A smart choice.  No one watching does not know all the stuff he could have responded with.  The high road was a very smart choice.


    Which is worse? (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 24, 2020 at 05:11:17 PM EST
    That he is smart and evil enough to be throwing shade at republicans in the senate as they go down in flames, or that he actually believes this.

    I take option B.  He believes this.  

    President Trump privately told donors this past week that it will be "very tough" for Republicans to keep control of the Senate in the upcoming election because some of the party's senators are candidates he cannot support, the Washington Post reports.

    Said Trump: "I think the Senate is tough actually. The Senate is very tough. There are a couple senators I can't really get involved in. I just can't do it. You lose your soul if you do. I can't help some of them. I don't want to help some of them."


    He can't get (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 24, 2020 at 06:25:23 PM EST
    involved in because he is gonna make it worse for them. So who knows if this is another projection on Trump's part. He seems to think my senator David Perdue is worthwhile though he won't campaign in Atlanta. They are trying for a 2018 repeat with jacking up the rural vote here in GA. I hope it does not work this time. The suburbs are really turning out so far.