Monday Open Thread

This was on the playlist of the Peloton class I took this morning. It's hard to find a clear video of all of the Byrds performing it live (as opposed to a lip synced version from an old 60's TV show or an out of focus 1970's reunion show), but it's still a great song and it made me think of Trump as I pedaled today:

"And I'll probably feel a whole lot better when you're gone"

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Cover your heads! Cover your heads! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 02:17:39 PM EST

    Asteroid 2018VP1, a refrigerator-sized space-rock, is hurtling towards us at more than 25,000 mi/hr.
    It may buzz-cut Earth on Nov. 2, the day before the Presidential Election.
    But it's not big enough to cause harm. So if the World ends in 2020, it won't be the fault of the Universe.

    But if it does, it will be a sort of karmic justice.

    Perfectly 2020 (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 03:12:51 PM EST

    Just got back from voting... (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by desertswine on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 04:29:24 PM EST
    the line was long but moved really fast.  The poll workers really had their act together.  It only took 36 minutes from the time we stood in line to the time we walked out of the building.   And we saved the country.

    Pope Francis (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 12:23:36 PM EST
    has called for civil unions for same sex couples. "Homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family, they're children of God..."  And, it gives "legal cover."  

    While his pronouncement may seem to bring papal thinking right up to 1995, it is, never-the-less,  progress for a Church that changes at glacial speed. It did, after all, take about 400 years to say Galileo was spot on.

    It is not clear what the Pope means by "legal cover", but surely his civil union position will be helpful, if not the equality of marriage, at least a baby step to the inevitable stroll in the park.

    The Pope's statement may be unsettling to the likes of Alito and Thomas. And, it seems likely, to the Handmaiden. But, they are probably more in the Cardinal Burke, anti-Francis Benedict XVI, Bannon/Gingrich ossification camp.  

    The unholy Three (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 01:00:54 PM EST
    much prefer their Cardinals to spend church money on elaborate vestments and legal settlements than waste it on the poor.

    Harvard Professor of Law, (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 01:13:41 PM EST
    Charles Fried, made a great attempt to pole vault over his past as Solicitor General in the Reagan Administration,a vocal supporter of John Roberts and Alito, only, in my view, to have knicked the bar on the way down.

    Professor Fried, in a NYTimes op ed
    (October 21), provides a full-throated argument in support of Biden's enlarging the Supreme Court, albeit ambiguously at this point.

    Paraphrasing Churchill, Fried states that such a maneuver is a bad idea, except for all the alternatives. Here, he continues, the alternatives boil down to just one: a predictable, reactionary majority on the Supreme Court for perhaps as long as another generation.

    He writes "reactionary" not conservative since the Court, with Barrett added, is poised to take a "wrecking ball" to generations of Supreme Court doctrine--and not just matters of reproductive choice.

    Fried recalls the court packing of FDR, while unsuccessful, chastened the Court. And, suggests that Biden's veiled threat may do the same.  

    Fried's laudable pole vault misses the mark with his wait and see approach.  "Let's see if the Court majority overplays its had.  If it does, then Biden can act. But for now, he holds, Biden should not overplay his hand."

    No.  In my view, Biden (assuming a Democratic senate) needs to reform the Court immediately. We do not need to wait and see.

     Justice is blind, concerned citizens should not be. At best, Roberts will prevail upon the majority to go easy for a while--let it blow over. With Trump gone, the media will work diligently to normalize the Republicans.  And, later into a Biden term, the Court can let lose---time will not be on the Democrats side--passing the legislation, nominating and confirming judges (would not like to make more judge/justice positions for a Republican president to fill).

    Fried may be associating the Republicans of 1937, as bad as they were, with, as he aptly describes, the reactionary/fascists of today. Their power is on the wane and they need the Courts to avoid going the way of the Whigs.

    One of the two or three (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 01:14:18 PM EST
    neighbors who sometimes drive by my house to get to their own has had one of these on his car for as long as I have lived here

    It's probably from the first campaign.  He just drove by and it's gone.  No idea what that means but I'm taking it as good news.

    If only because I don't have to see his orange face cruising by any more.

    If you enjoy Shakespeare, highly recomment (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 03:44:11 PM EST
    stannswarehouse.com.  All female casts, including a couple very well-known Brits.  Recorded at Donmar Warehouse in London.  Watch Henry IV today or Thursday.  The Tempest starts Friday.  Excellent. Make a donation too.

    It is going to be a long (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:46:34 PM EST
    12 days.....

    The Amazing Randi has died... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:54:49 PM EST
    Wonderama (none / 0) (#77)
    by jmacWA on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 04:18:15 AM EST
    I remember seeing him on a Sunday morning hanging upside down from a crane in a straight-jacket on a Sunday morning sometime in the late 50's.

    It was channel 5 in NY, but it was before it was FOX :)


    From 1959 to 1967, the host of (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 09:59:13 AM EST
    "Wonderama" was my parents' old friend, a children's television pioneer ("Let's Take a Trip") whose stage name was Sonny Fox. (They always referred to him as "Funny Sox." His real first name was "Irwin.") I remember to this day being shocked and upset as a child of maybe 7 or 8 seeing Sonny Fox greet my mother by kissing her. My father reassured me by explaining that the kiss was a traditional "show business" gesture. A survivor of a WWII prisoner of war camp, Fox is alive today, at 95.

    Yep (none / 0) (#83)
    by jmacWA on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 10:55:18 AM EST
    Sonny Fox was the host.

    Wonderama (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 02:17:55 PM EST
    I did a Coco Marsh commercial for Wonderama in the mid 50's (I was a child). I drank the stuff and then had to say "It's good". It did air on Sunday mornings.

    Always wanted (none / 0) (#87)
    by jmacWA on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 03:34:20 PM EST
    to be in the studio audience, but for me it just wasn't in the cards

    Wonderama (none / 0) (#89)
    by BGinCA on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:00:03 PM EST
    I made my television debut on this show. If you remember two people were chosen from the studio audience to go offstage with a pile of keys, one of which would open a treasure chest. Sadly, I did not find the 'magic key.' However I did go home with an armful of swag -games and toys. A happy camper!

    I (none / 0) (#90)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:11:49 PM EST
    was in a studio audience for one of those type of shows, I think I was in first grade in Washington DC. I don't remember any details of course, but I still retain a couple of vivid "screen shots" from it.

    Your television premiere? (none / 0) (#88)
    by Peter G on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 03:34:30 PM EST
    And the first of many appearances, most of them more sincere, I am sure.

    Interesting vidoes in the George Floyd case (none / 0) (#3)
    by McBain on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 03:18:44 PM EST
    This one shows a white spot on Floyd's tongue during the fatal 2020 arrest that some speculate might be drugs.

    This one shows Floyd's 2019 arrest which has similarities to the 2020 arrest.  It sounds like one officer says...
    "Open your mouth. Spit out what you've got.  I'm going to tase you.  Spit it out."

    Not sure if these videos will be admissible at trial but they are interesting. If it looks like Floyd likely died from drugs, not the knee to the neck, it will probably be more difficult for the prosecution to get a conviction on the most serious charges.


    Help me here (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 03:53:48 PM EST
    How did the knee on his neck for 9 minutes while handcuffed and complaining that he couldn't breathe, HELP Mr. Floyd if he was in some sort of medical distress?

    Do police officers have access to communication devices that would summon medical help?


    Perhaps officer Chauvin's defense (none / 0) (#5)
    by McBain on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 07:11:23 PM EST
    will be he suspected Floyd was having a drug overdose and/or experiencing excited delirium and he wanted Floyd restrained until EMT arrived so he wouldn't injure himself or others.

    If that's his "defense" (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 07:43:44 PM EST
    Say goodbye for 20 to life.

    There is VIDEO of his complete lack of concern.


    You don't actually (5.00 / 8) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 12:02:59 AM EST
    find this persuasive, Do you.

    Actually, and astoundingly, (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 06:58:21 AM EST
    I think he does.  

    Devilish, (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 10:22:59 AM EST
    Going for overturning a guilty verdict on the basis of "inadequate defense".   But, the "Twinkie" defense might be worth a try too.

    I tend to look at it from the other angle (none / 0) (#21)
    by McBain on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 10:44:26 AM EST
    I've yet to hear a persuasive argument that officers Lane, Kueng and Thao committed a crime.  As for Chauvin, I think he needs to explain why he kept his knee on Floyd as long as he did.  
    This article with video includes a Minneapolis training photo of a similar knee to neck restraint technique.  It also includes a photo of the "recovery position" where the suspect is turned on his side.
    Body cam transcripts show Officer Lane asked Chauvin...
    "Should we roll  him on his side?"
    Even if the drug theory is persuasive, I think Chauvin will need an expert witness to testify that leaving Floyd face down and not turning him into the recovery position was a reasonable decision.

    If the law encorcement officers at the scene (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 08:24:16 PM EST
    Knew or reasonably should have known that Floyd had ingested substances and/or was under the influence of any substance(s), they were required to factor this information into their use of force.

    Yes, and the jury will probably hear (none / 0) (#35)
    by McBain on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 09:46:57 AM EST
    from expert witnesses about what is appropriate in that situation and what the officers were trained to do.  Not placing Floyd in the "recovery position" might be part of the prosecution's case.  Suggesting that technique as an option might be part of officer Lane's defense.  



    McBain, surely you (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 11:59:30 AM EST
    don't expect to find anyone here agreeing with you or taking the officers' side in this. You would do far better to discuss this case elsewhere. It is not a case I am following, and there won't be many posts about it. If you are just looking for a fight, that becomes trollish after a while.

    I keep hoping this site will return (none / 0) (#54)
    by McBain on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 03:45:30 PM EST
    to some degree, to what it was when I first discovered it...  a place to intelligently discuss high profile legal cases that aren't 100% political. Definitely not interested in fights.
    "surely, you don't expect to find anyone here agreeing with you or taking the officers' side in this."
    I bet there's a few people here who aren't convinced all four officers are guilty of everything they're charged with. However, message received, no more Floyd case comments.  

    Hopefully, we can still discuss the Scott Peterson appeals as there have been some new developments.  


    "Some speculate" - Heh (none / 0) (#91)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 10:58:56 AM EST
    You're hilarious.

    Watched some classic movies recently (none / 0) (#6)
    by McBain on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 07:29:31 PM EST
    Sunset Boulevard:    It's interesting seeing a famous movie for the first time long after hearing about how great it is.  I didn't buy William Holden as a struggling screen writer but enjoyed Gloria Swanson's performance as the, past her prime, actress Norma Desmond. I didn't know this was where the famous line "I'm ready for my close up" came from. I don't usually like voice over narration and films that start with the ending and then go back to tell the story, so I can't say this is as good as hyped.

    Fletch:   A favorite of mine from the 80s with Chevy Chase in his prime.  Still funny.  Most of the famous lines like, "It's all ball bearings nowadays" still hold up.  The Harold Faltermeier soundtrack is so mid 80s it's almost worth watching just for that.

    Manhattan:  The black and white cinematography and George Gershwin music hold up for the most part.  There are plenty of good Wood Allen one-liners and the intellectual BS works well. Meriel Hemmingway is good as Allen's age inappropriate girlfriend. It would be interesting to watch a double feature of this and Taxi Driver to contrast different views of 70s New York.  

    American Werewolf in London:  The special effects are no longer groundbreaking and the acting is uneven but I still had fun revisiting this John Landis film. The weird dream sequences might be the best part now.

    Anyone see any classics recently?  

    I have been gravitating (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Oct 19, 2020 at 07:50:19 PM EST
    to Uncle Earl's Classic TV.

    Hundreds of old films, and every B&W TV show you can possibly remember. Maverick, Gun Smoke, Highway Patrol, 77 Sunset Strip, Boston Blackie, Charlie Chan, Your Hit Parade, etc. etc.

    Just watched an episode of "Journey to the Bottom of the Sea." More camp than a Boy Scout troop!


    Thanks, RR! (none / 0) (#13)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 07:09:32 AM EST
    We'll enjoy this!

    Let me recommend... (none / 0) (#69)
    by desertswine on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:49:54 PM EST
    "Totally Under Control."  It's on Hulu.  It's about the covid-19 disaster in America.  It's by Alex Gibney.

    The best I have seen (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 12:21:48 PM EST
    this year:

    • Money Heist (best by miles) (netflix)
    • Tehran (Apple TV original) 6 episodes available now, last one available Friday night
    • Reign (I'm in the middle of season 3) (Netflix)

    OK this year:
    Dark Desire

    Things that are unfortunately gone: The Colombian version of Rosario Tijeras (2010)

    Always reliable: The Great British Baking Show (seasons with Noel Fielding and Sandi T.); House Hunters International; Mexican Life; Food shows with Andrew Zimmern.


    I'm a little burned out on TV (none / 0) (#55)
    by McBain on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 04:08:53 PM EST
    but still watching a fair amount...  
    The Right Stuff on Disney Plus.  Three episodes in, it's not as good as the 1983 film but but good enough to continue.

    Cobra Kai on Netflix is the Karate Kid with more college age humor.  Not great but the episodes are only 30 minutes.

    Also re watching the Simpsons and the Wire. I find comfort in the classics.

    I could use another good documentary series. I finished the depressing,  
    Time: The Kalief Browder Story on Netflix.  I didn't follow that case, so I thought there would be some kind of happy ending.
    Murder: The Family Next Door, also on Netflix was interesting but also depressing.  I prefer documentaries where the outcome isn't the worst possible scenario.

    I might check out Money Heist.


    Interesting how the Simpsons (none / 0) (#92)
    by McBain on Wed Oct 28, 2020 at 11:09:04 AM EST
    have changed over the years, especially Homer.  

    Money Heist is good (none / 0) (#66)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:42:57 PM EST
    But it still bugs me it is dubbed.  But dubbed really well.

    Am i a bad person (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 07:04:46 AM EST
    Mr. Zorba and I (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 07:08:10 AM EST
    Join you in being bad persons, then, because we were really laughing at this.

    you are absolutely a (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by leap on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 08:20:18 AM EST
    righteous person.

    A lot of (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 10:28:01 AM EST
    people are saying that the suspension should be lifted on the basis of "insufficient evidence."

    "Insufficient evidence." uh huh (none / 0) (#24)
    by leap on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 12:20:58 PM EST
    Lying eyes, and all.

    I found it very sad (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 12:24:14 PM EST
    I have known him since the OKC bombing trial in 1997. He is a talented writer. This must be so embarrassing for him.

    I am a New Yorker Subscriber (none / 0) (#25)
    by RickyJim on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 12:44:43 PM EST
    There is nothing about this on their website.  Toobin's articles have not been pulled (HeHe) but they end with Sept. 29 so I assume the incident happened then.

    First thing I learned... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 02:40:28 PM EST
    working from home for six months...cover the webcam with electrical tape, just in case!  

    I could not navigate that Zoom too good..."is my mic on, can you see me, why can't I see you, f*ck this sh&t just email me or something."


    Donald is very proud of (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 07:10:55 AM EST
    of our new HYDRASONIC missiles

    (that's not what they are called)

    Surely, you don't expect the Commander in Chief (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by vml68 on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 09:45:22 AM EST
    to know the difference between "hydrosonic" and "hypersonic"?
    I find it hilarious and at the same time concerning that he has been calling them "hydrasonic" for a while now and no one in the WH has felt the need to correct him.

    In September, he said he calls them "super duper missiles" because that is easier to understand than "hydrosonic."

    Btw, have you seen his dance moves? LOL!!!


    Watching those ??Dance?? Moves (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 10:35:45 AM EST
    is just one more reason to vote for never seeing him again.

    What a maroon (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 10:59:33 AM EST
    I love this

    White House chief of staff Mark Meadows told a federal court that President Trump didn't mean it when he tweeted that he was ordering the declassification of all Russia-probe documents, Politico reports.

    Trump tweeted he wanted ALL material related to the Russia investigation declassified.  Assuming it was just another insane tweet but a federal judge said, really?
    You really want all of it it declassified?




    Aren't these (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by jmacWA on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 09:51:38 AM EST
    Hydrasonic missles?

    It's actually a toothbrush (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 11:11:38 AM EST
    I was going to link to the site but it is down.

    I wonder why.


    Breonna Taylor grand juror says (none / 0) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 04:57:42 PM EST
    Breonna Taylor grand juror says panel wasn't given a chance to consider homicide charges

    The grand juror said the panel was only presented with wanton endangerment charges against one officer involved the police shooting in March. A second grand juror, who also stepped forward to ask about speaking publicly about the case, said Tuesday they were discussing next steps with counsel.

    "Questions were asked about additional charges and the grand jury was told there would be none because the prosecutors didn't feel they could make them stick," the first juror's statement said.

    Some legal experts have said it's curious Cameron didn't seek any of Kentucky's homicide charges to begin with. And CNN senior legal analyst Laura Coates said earluer this month that it's rare for grand juries to go beyond the statutes a prosecutor presents.

    That's all probably correct. (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 12:27:00 PM EST
    The prosecutor decides what charges to present to the grand jury. If it isn't convinced the charge is provable at trial by proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the charge should not be presented to them. Probable cause is all that's necessary for an indictment, but the job of the prosecutor requires them to look further than that and determine, based on the evidence and law, whether they could prove it at trial.

    Thank you for that. (none / 0) (#47)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 01:43:34 PM EST
    So the prosecutor's job is not to swing at the stars but rather to indict where it's a slam-dunk.

    Actually seem reasonable. Waste of time and taxpayers' money to chase the long odds, and "losses" make the prosecutor look incompetent.


    I don't know Man... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 02:37:15 PM EST
    Some prosecution offices do seem to swing for the stars over-indicting/over-charging civilians quite a bit...for no other reason than to force the accused hands to cop a plea to lesser when looking down the barrel of a long hard sentence should the jury find to convict on the over-charge.  Moreso when there is no top flight high priced defense counsel in the way.

    When police are accused...too often they don't even want to step in the batters box, nevermind swinging for the fence.  At best they fishing to draw the walk...pun intended;)



    Maybe so. Lots of things involved. (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 03:02:14 PM EST
    btw, I also do the elec tape over the computer camera lens...

    Cameron's political (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 05:39:21 PM EST
    career is probably ruined by this.

    All the grand jury testimony needs to be released.


    He did say, I believe, that he had (none / 0) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 05:49:33 PM EST
    presented the jurors with all the different homicide counts and evidence. According to this juror, anyway, he did not.

    In response to whether the grand jury (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 05:53:47 PM EST
    In response to whether the grand jury considered homicide or other charges:

    (51 min mark off question off camera): "Did the grand jury ever consider the charges of manslaughter or reckless homicide and if not can you please explain why and do you anticipate any other charges in this case?"

    Cameron: ".... our team walked them through every homicide offense and also presented all of the information that was available to the grand jury and then the grand jury was ultimately the one who made the decision about indicting Detective Hankinson for wanton endangerment."

    In response to whether charges against Mattingly and Cosgrove were ever presented:

    (55 min mark off camera question): "....were they presented with any charges against Mattingly and Cosgrove."

    Cameron: "....what I will say is they were walked through all of the homicide offenses and with that information and with the information and facts that were provided to them that we uncovered in our investigation, they made the determination that Detective Hankinson was the one that needed to be indicted here."

    Cameron (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 06:20:16 PM EST
    sure makes it sound like the juror is telling the truth here and that he only explained homicide charges but didn't allow the Grand Jury to consider those charges. Anyway, if the grand jury transcripts are released we'll find out the truth.

    Grand Juries are Ridiculous (none / 0) (#33)
    by RickyJim on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 06:20:35 PM EST
    Any sensible criminal justice system has an investigative judge, who can order the police to collect and present evidence, deciding on whether or not and what charges should be brought.  Letting a politically elected prosecutor decide is also a bad idea.  Like the Electoral College, they are bad examples of American exceptionalism.

    The political flyers (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 20, 2020 at 05:43:50 PM EST
    are coming to my house fast and furious. Today it was Socialism is on the March and Liberals want to bring it to Georgia with pictures of Bernie supporters on the front of the flyer. It says Vote Now to Stop them. However whoever put out this flyer is not so proud to put their name on it. I had to research who was behind it and it was Atilla Kelly the Hun Loeffler. The sad part is either her or Collins are going to make the runoff and I am going to continue to hear from them until January. Ugh.

    Rudy, Rudy, Rudy (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 11:27:22 AM EST
    "The reputation of Rudy Giuliani could be set for a further blow with the release of highly embarrassing footage in Sacha Baron Cohen's follow-up to Borat," The Guardian reports.

    "In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat's daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist."

    "Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news program, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras. After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers."

    "They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: `She's 15. She's too old for you.'

    Beat (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 11:57:55 AM EST
    me to it(no pun intended). This is hilarious
    Word of the incident first emerged on 7 July, when Giuliani called New York police to report the intrusion of an unusually-dressed man.

    "This guy comes running in, wearing a crazy, what I would say was a pink transgender outfit," Giuliani told the New York Post. "It was a pink bikini, with lace, underneath a translucent mesh top, it looked absurd. He had the beard, bare legs, and wasn't what I would call distractingly attractive.

    Maybe he was non-distracting attractive?

    Not so (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 02:25:04 PM EST
    hard to believe Rudy could be compromised by a Russky agent.    Hey, good looking, i have Hunter Biden's laptop that a repair man from Delaware gave me while staying at the Moscow Ritz Carlton.  This Odessa bar is getting boring. Let's go to my apartment and see if there is any Burisma stuff we can get into the mood with.

    my clothes were entirely on (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 04:49:57 PM EST
    Instead, Giuliani insisted in a radio interview with WABC, he was merely tucking in his shirt.

    "I had to take off the electronic equipment," said Giuliani. "And when the electronic equipment came off, some of it was in the back and my shirt came a little out, although my clothes were entirely on. I leaned back, and I tucked my shirt in, and at that point, at that point, they have this picture they take which looks doctored, but in any event, I'm tucking my shirt in. I assure you that's all I was doing."

    I don't know.  I don't think any statement that contains the phrase "my clothes were entirely on" bodes well.


    Yes, (none / 0) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 05:28:03 PM EST
    reminds of Alan Dershowitz's massage at the Epstein mansion by an "old Russian lady."  But, I kept my underwear on!

    Any minute (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 06:13:24 PM EST
    FBI has some announcement on election security.

    Wonder if it's related to Rudy.


    Sounds like maybe it's about (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 06:16:39 PM EST
    Voter intimidation

    That was weird (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 06:33:42 PM EST
    Ratcliff says Iran is trying to damage Donald Trump.  He was not very specific.  Maybe running his rallies over and over.

    Oh, and Russia.

    Then the FBI director basically said voting is safe and your vote would be counted and ignore anyone who says otherwise.



    Clint Watts says (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 06:39:13 PM EST
    The county (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:23:22 PM EST
    they targeted Hillary won by like 20-25 points. They were definitely not trying to hurt Trump.

    The idea goes like this (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:32:23 PM EST
    They are posing as Proud Boys, who are Trump supporters, sending threatening emails to democrats so that makes Trump look bad.

    Like I said, weird.  Apart from the pretzel logic the most surprising part of that is making that argument is embracing that the Proud Boys are Trump supporters.

    The whole thing makes my head hurt.


    Poor Ratcliff. (none / 0) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:40:04 PM EST
    He, probably at the insistence of Wray, had to wrap Iran around Russia.   And, just mention intended damage to Trump from Iran,  something, something Russia too, somehow.

    Still (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:54:09 PM EST
    I bet the only part of that Trump will remember is Wray saying all that stuff about voter fraud is a lot of hooey.

    Trump will be pi$$ed.


    I don't (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:45:15 PM EST
    think they realize how dumb this sounds to most people. I'm sure the cult will eat it up though.

    Trump is (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 07:59:05 PM EST
    using the 2016 playbook since not original thinkers.  How about a Comey-like Intel announcement at the eleventh hour?  Yeah, that sounds good. Let's do it.  And call the Handmaiden to tell her about this election badness, probably.

    I think I am slightly less cynical (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 08:09:26 PM EST
    For once.

    It seemed to me this email stuff was bad and the had to make some kind of statement but Ratboy wouldn't allow it without sticking in the BS about hurting Trump.

    Wray looked pretty uncomfortable.  

    There has also been reporting of real voter intimidation at voting places.  Rowdy crowds, loud music, real stuff happening right now.  I expected something about that.

    Buckle up.  12 days to go.  


    More (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 08:28:19 PM EST
    "President Trump and his advisers have repeatedly discussed whether to fire FBI Director Christopher Wray after Election Day -- a scenario that also could imperil the tenure of Attorney General William Barr as the president grows increasingly frustrated that federal law enforcement has not delivered his campaign the kind of last-minute boost that the FBI provided in 2016," the Washington Post reports.

    "The conversations among the president and senior aides stem in part from their disappointment that Wray in particular but Barr as well have not done what Trump had hoped -- indicate that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden, or other Biden associates are under investigation."



    Another (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 04:22:27 AM EST
    reason why 2016 will never end is that yes, they are doing the exact same thing they were doing in 2016 and got away with. Now that some of these people are looking at serious jail time they seem to be cooling off their election interference plans. Too bad the GOP base isn't though. Years of brainwashing have them believing that anybody outside of white evangelicals voting is cheating.

    Dumb, yes (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 08:01:54 PM EST
    But seemingly true

    U.S. government concludes Iran was behind threatening emails sent to Democrats

    The stuff about hurting Trump seems to be all Ratboy.  Not the WaPo.


    Schumer just said (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 08:30:40 PM EST
    Their briefing said it was all about undermining confidence and spreading chaos.

    Nothing about hurting Trump.


    Here it is (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 06:58:09 PM EST
    That's a little misleading (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 11:30:06 AM EST
    It says "released on Friday" it actually will be released on Friday.  I would link but you really don't want to see what the ad has him doing with a mask.

    This is weird (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 21, 2020 at 02:58:56 PM EST
    a friend just called and says "did you know any of the women?

    What women?

    I didn't but it's that small a place so this was not just another day at the village PD probably.

    LITTLE ROCK (KATV) -- A Cherokee Village man was arrested after sheriff's investigators say he confessed to killing two people and injuring one


    Reform (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:30:08 AM EST
    Joe Biden told 60 Minutes that the Supreme Court system needs reform, saying "it's getting out of whack."

    He said he would launch a 180-day national commission "of scholars, constitutional scholars, Democrats, Republicans, liberal, conservative" to study Supreme Court reforms.

    Said Biden: "It is a live ball. We're going to have to do that... The last thing we need to do is turn the Supreme Court into just a political football, whoever has the most votes gets whatever they want."


    This may sound to "bipartisan" for us (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:17:39 AM EST
    but this was always how it was going to happen if it happened.  They were never just going to plug 3-4 progressive justices.  As much as we would like that.  Democrats will be in control and the goal will be balancing the court but it was never going to be easy.  

    Want to talk about militia backlash?  This will make it happen.

    Curious what Dan thinks about that comment from Biden.


    Wishy (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 09:02:08 AM EST
    washy might not be the tune we want to hear, but it's probably the best political play.

    This is very encouraging. (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 11:07:52 AM EST
    (1) Biden has put reform on his agenda couched by the time-honored tactic of a "study" to ease change. (2) The announcement gives notice to the reactionary members of the Court for purposes of possible chastening, (3)The time-line of six month permits reform within the first year of Biden's term, (4)The composition of a reform study committee will, by necessity, require a broad-base. The president will have control, including the selection of the Republican members. Of course, no matter what the study's outcome, the Republicans will be opposed, but the process will have been inclusive.

    The Supreme Court is, essentially, the third legislative body---making laws by upholding as well as striking down statutes and by Constitutional interpretation. And, the Supreme Court is the legislative body that can veto the other two legislative bodies.

    The legitimacy of the Court is an issue, as is the need for updating and reforming. The Supreme Court has a lot of responsibility and authority--a Court of nine members whose balance is now off the scale with reactionaries who appear to see little or no rights for ordinary citizens as compared to Corporations and the Christian religionists.

    Even with Court reform being bandied about, the Supreme Court continues, albeit with smaller bore and lesser consequences, to be hostile to voting rights.  Just this week, the Supreme Court restored a ban on curbside voting in Alabama, despite claims from disabled and at-risk voters that in-person voting puts them in particular danger to the virus

    The lower court (District Court) found the ban to violate the American with Disabilities Act. The Supreme Court, as is the case in emergency rulings, did not give reasons.  

    However, Justice Sotomayor (joined by Breyer and Kagan) offered a strong dissent: making disabled voters to wait inside for as long as it takes, in a crowded room, and in Alabama, which does not required masks.

    And, soon the Handmaiden (apparently without wearing a belt buckle, since this draws attention to the crotch area, according to former members of her religious cult) will join the Court, putting our civil rights and democracy further in jeopardy. Biden is on track.


    The Reform I Would Like to See (none / 0) (#86)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 03:29:12 PM EST
    is having the Supreme Court (in fact the whole judiciary) demoted to an advisory body as far as invalidating laws, including the Constitution, are concerned.  I see their decisions as simply figuring out how to select a definition and/or precedent to justify a desired result.  That goes for both liberals and conservatives on the court.  Especially in the Warren era, they have acted to extend human rights.  But that was only because the US Senate filibuster prevented legislative extensions.  With that gone, it would be an unnecessary check and balance. The US system now has more than it should of these blockages to progress.  Court packing, on the other hand, is only a temporary solution.

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 13, 2021 at 09:31:20 AM EST

    thanks Capt (none / 0) (#95)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jun 15, 2021 at 02:09:11 PM EST
    I zapped him. Appreciate you pointing it out.

    SITE VIOLATER (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 21, 2022 at 01:38:59 PM EST