Trump and Epstein Partying Together

NBC has found footage from 1992 showing Epstein and Trump together at a Trump hosted party in Palm Beach.

Esptein is doing nothing inappropriate in the footage and none of the women appear to be minors.

This is the screenshot that leapt out at me as I watched.

Donald Trump, Grabber-in-Chief.

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    Unless you consider (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 17, 2019 at 02:35:23 PM EST
    Hangin with Donald inappropriate

    It might be 90s but the hair is kind of 80s

    I liked those (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 17, 2019 at 02:55:57 PM EST
    Groucho Marx eyebrows.

    I was talking about the girls (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 17, 2019 at 03:50:34 PM EST
    But yeah.

    Trumps hair just looks nasty.  Like you would never ever want to touch it.  The other thing I noticed about Donald from that video is his ties were even longer then.  Or maybe his stomach was smaller.


    President Twitler is soooo repugnant. (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 17, 2019 at 05:10:47 PM EST
    And that video is really disturbing.

    The one (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 09:02:51 AM EST
    In black beside Trump looks to be 14 in this picture. I guess it will be up to the press to find all the women and check their ages at the time.

    I agree with GA6 about the one (none / 0) (#21)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 05:41:47 PM EST
    in black. Also, taking into account how he is looking up and away from the woman he is grabbing around the waist, does it not appear also that he may be grinding on her from behind?

    and Ga6's WIB is in much of the footage. I think the odds are large that she was an NFL cheerleader like most/all the rest of the girls.

    Regarding the woman he's holding around the waist. After watching the video, I don't see much evidence of "grinding." I actually don't think their below the belt parts touched at all. If they did, it was for the briefest of moments.

    I'll let you all decide for yourselves if it would have been ok or not if it did happen...


    Having done my share of grinding (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 06:31:51 PM EST
    We have larger problems.

    It's kind of what you did on a dance floor.  Some better than others.  My advise, NEVER in a suit.

    I can't believe you have watched it more than once.  I did not make it all the way thru.


    Yup. (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 07:57:41 PM EST
    I watched several different news reports as they sometimes present different video edits.

    I did not watch the video, and never will (none / 0) (#29)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 08:05:30 PM EST
    Waste of time and of emotional energy. But from the still that J posted, I found it remarkable that he is looking away from the woman he is grabbing. Not even the sort of uninvited personal interaction that accompanies a pretend-affectionate peck on the cheek or kiss on the top of the hair. As for the bare-midriff WIB, I also thought she was the youngest looking (although not 14), and in any event one photo is no evidence of that.

    Fair enough. (none / 0) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 08:09:24 PM EST
    You watched it several times!! (none / 0) (#58)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 05:23:49 PM EST
    GKW! That's a wow factor.

    GKW? (none / 0) (#59)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 11:55:54 AM EST
    Good Night Willy. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 12:02:35 PM EST

    Surely you know (none / 0) (#66)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 08:15:41 PM EST
    that "GKW" means, "Good King Wenceslas."

    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 23, 2019 at 11:05:20 AM EST
    Makes about as much sense as Good Night Willy.

    Urban Dictionary says... (none / 0) (#68)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 23, 2019 at 12:52:45 PM EST
    God Knows What. It's said when someone wants to say that anything can happen in a situation.

    All kinds of crazy stuff here. (none / 0) (#7)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 10:50:47 AM EST
    Boise says he was stonewalled looking into the Prince Andrew claim and suggests the UK government pressured the US to get Acosta to go easy with the agreement.

    Was Epstein a Mossad agent and did he have CIA connections; certainly he claimed to have an intelligence connection.

    The link is here; and also includes lots more names of very famous folks in the Epstein circle.  Bannon, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Summers just to name a few.  Trump and Clinton may just be the tip of the ice berg.

    This may require an extra large popcorn bowl.

    You (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 01:33:44 PM EST
    Are linking to a conspiracy site. Stick to legitimate news sources. This sounds like a desperate attempt to cover for Trump.

    ABC (none / 0) (#9)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 01:57:43 PM EST

    Your post looks like a desperate attempt to ignore that what ever Trump's involvement is it does not come close to the other big names that are involved.

    Look at the names I listed in my previous comment.  Epstein was involved with a large number of high profile people for many years.  Trump was only one of the A list people in Epstein's circle.

    There are pix of Prince Andrew with a young girl who claims they were involved that are being reported by MSM sources.

    Boise is very aggressive and has not been shy about his claim that Epstein provided girls to many A listers, and quite frankly ones that did not seem to be well versed in getting them on their own.

    What ever one thinks about Trump he does have a long history of lots of short trysts with attractive women and then quickly moving on.  This happened well before he and Epstein met, and after their fallout as well.

    Trying to pretend Trump is the only person implicated in Epstein's web (or even the one with the deepest involvement) is silly.  There will be plenty of others who get bashed much worse than Trump by this.

    How ever bad Trump is the fact of the matter is that he is not involved in every bad thing that happens.


    The problem (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 02:02:05 PM EST
    is that Trump is President.   These other people are not.  That makes a difference.

    And trying to spread the blame around to take the heat off Trump is not appropriate imo.


    Exactly (none / 0) (#13)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 02:26:16 PM EST
    it's all mostly guilt by association attm.

    He certainly hung out with the A+ crowd, that doesn't mean they all participated in the debauchery.

    As far as I can tell there have only been three direct accusations , Prince Harry, Dershowitz
    and tRump himself (although that lawsuit was dropped shortly before the election).

    There is probably as much circumstantial evidence against tRump as anybody. His multiple lecherous statements about teenage girls(even his own daughter) should alone be a cause for suspicion.


    Speaking (none / 0) (#15)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 02:54:40 PM EST
    of Dershowitz, somebody seems a bit nervous
    Trump-defending attorney Alan Dershowitz has written an op-ed for right-wing publication Newsmax that reveals the New Yorker is working on an expose about him and women who have accused him of having sex with them when they were under 18 years old.

    In the op-ed, Dershowitz accuses New Yorker editor David Remnick of commissioning "a hit piece against me for the explicit purpose of silencing my defense of President Trump, Prime Minister Netanyahu, and the State of Israel."

    I haven't seen Dershowitz (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 06:22:05 PM EST
    this riled up and in damage control mode since Professor Norman Finkelstein accused him of plagiarism some years back.

    I wonder if he'll attempt any similar courses of action against Remnick and The New Yorker as he did against Finkelstein.

    Allan seems to have a Rolodex of contacts to rival Jeff Epstein's, if not to go him one better.


    he is defending a new defamation (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 03:05:11 AM EST
    suit by Virginia Roberts (aka Virginia Giuffre aka Jane Doe 103) -- the one whose lawyers first brought up his name back in 2015. She's represented by David Boies' firm and he's trying to get them kicked off the case because he says they also agreed to represent him against her and delayed 8 days before telling him they had a conflict by which time he had already shared his entire legal strategy, phone records, flight records, etc with them.

    It's in the Southern District of NY, case no. 19-CV-03377.

    He says Maria Farmer, the new art lady who came forward (whose sister says Epstein touched her inappropriately in New Mexico) can't be correct because Maria puts him at Epstein's house before he ever met Epstein.

    I have been downloading and reading all the pleasdings in these cases since 2015. If any of you are interested in the more significant ones I will upload them for you to read.


    Too many cases to keep track of (none / 0) (#34)
    by ragebot on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 11:23:33 AM EST
    Not sure why but I thought this settlement in 2016 would be the last one since it seemed to be a victory for Dershowitz.  Cassell is certainly a heavy weight in sex abuse cases and unlikely to retreat if he thought he could win; not to mention the other capable lawyers helping Cassell.

    The cases are not limited to SDNY there are also cases in Florida and Utah from what I know.

    My understanding is the 2016 settlement was due to Dershowitz providing evidence refuting the claims Roberts made against him; the evidence being proof he was not in the locations she claimed to have had sex with him when she claimed he was, injuring Robert's credibility.  Problem is that once Roberts' counsel had these dates other claims could be made.

    My biggest question is why the Epstein settlement got past everyone involved.  Acosta has claimed there was pressure on him from above and reportedly was told Epstein was connected to Mossad.  Let's remember a passport found in Epstein's safe was from Israel. Not saying Acosta was right in how easy he let Epstein off; just that I am not convinced it was a one man job.


    Let's remember a passport found in Epstein's safe (none / 0) (#53)
    by BGinCA on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 01:07:26 PM EST
    I believe that was a Saudi Passport. Are you saying it was given to him by Mossad? Is that his claim?

    According to SDNY (none / 0) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 03:54:13 PM EST
    The expired passport found in the safe of his NYC manse (along with cash and loose diamonds) was issued by Austria.  It displayed Epstein's photo, a different name, and a Saudi residence address.

    Although Epstein claimed never to have used the fake passport, prosecutors stated that it had egress and ingress stamping from several countries. Epstein's attorneys would not indicate if Epstein has joint citizenship in another country.

    Epstein claims he got the passport, used, from an (unnamed) friend, for the purpose of protection from, and due to fear of, terrorist harm during the 1980s.


    Yes, and Trump is (none / 0) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 03:45:04 PM EST
    running for re-election as president.

    Oh, I get it (none / 0) (#12)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 02:24:02 PM EST
    Silly me, if everyone does it, it is okay.....

    And, here, everyone engages in trafficking of minors, and, heh, the whole thing is really amusing.


    Again (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 02:37:06 PM EST
    You are trying to cover for Trump. We have Trump on film hosting a party with Epstein which is more than we have on anybody else at this point. Trying to downplay Trump's involvement with false equivalencies looks like desperation on your part. We don't know what part if any the rest of them played in all this. The picture with Prince Andrew has been around for quite a while but still not the same as Trump. There are many accusations against Trump most recently rape.
    Trump was invoked with Epstein going back to the 1980s. AG Barr has a 40 year association with Epstein. Nobody is saying it is only Trump. Dershowitz seems to be heavily involved.

    "Popcorn Bowl" (none / 0) (#10)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 02:00:21 PM EST
    Many GOPers think all of politics is a game, and they are just doing what they need to do to win.

    McConnell purportedly said we should stop taking all this too seriously, and he is just having fun.

    S*x trafficking of children is not really an opportunity for amusement and popcorn.  Imo of course.


    Conservatives (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 03:06:34 PM EST
    Are seriously damaged people. White supremacy seems to do that to people.pedophilia goes back to at least Hastert as speaker.

    Interesting read about (none / 0) (#19)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 18, 2019 at 06:24:57 PM EST
    Epstein from back in the day.

    CBS (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 11:01:38 AM EST
    Both Epstein and Trump ... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 06:39:58 PM EST
    Jeralyn: "[Epstein] is doing nothing inappropriate in the footage[.]"

    ... look like the sort of creepy relatives who scare small children.

    They (none / 0) (#25)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 07:00:47 PM EST
    look like teenage boys yukking it up about copping a cheap feel.

    tRump didn't even look that happy, especially when he grabbed the woman, IMO he looked downright predatory at that moment.


    He never looks happy (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 07:18:58 PM EST
    I have never seen him look really happy.  Maybe a kind of reptilian satiation in front of the swooning mouth breathers but never happy.

    I don't think this is or ever was a happy person


    I am reminded (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 07:23:35 PM EST
    Of Stormy's play by play of the grim slog thru "yeti pub€s"

    It was the most joyless thing I have ever heard.


    In the picture, where the girl who is (none / 0) (#31)
    by desertswine on Fri Jul 19, 2019 at 10:46:11 PM EST
    wearing green and black is raising her right arm high in the air, the very Stable Genius appears to be grabbing her butt.

    Trumps (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 05:55:36 AM EST
    Transition team member Goerge Nader charged with child sex trafficking

    Looks like a lot of people having fun in that (none / 0) (#35)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 02:58:35 PM EST
    screenshot to me, except maybe for the guy in the back who doesn't appear to have attractive women around him.  Maybe he's security or catering or maybe he just likes to watch.  

    Whenever I see or hear of a party involving older men with much younger, more attractive women, I'm curious what the arrangement is?  Are the women paid to be there or are they just hoping to land a super rich husband/boyfriend?  

    Some women (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 03:46:35 PM EST
    Like older men.  It's not illegal and pretty common.

    To be clear (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 04:11:10 PM EST
    Cause I'm not always

    That should not be interpreted to in any way justify the crimes being discussed or suggest that there should ever be anything but mature mutual consent.

    But that is just such a narrow misogynistic view of the situation.  They were either being paid or looking to be paid.  There is in fact another choice.  They are into older men.  

    Just sayin

    I know some.


    Good point (none / 0) (#38)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 04:25:36 PM EST
    or maybe they just like fancy parties.  I should have said "I'm curious if there is an arrangement".  

    To be clear, I don't really have a problem with any of those possibilities. As I said, it looks like people having fun.

    As for the older man/younger woman relationship... one of the attractions is money.  Another is experience.  It makes me laugh when a woman says she dates older men because they are more mature.  I understand what she means but when a man dates a woman half is age, he isn't being very mature.


    You live in such a tiny world (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 04:43:41 PM EST
    Such a tiny little world.

    I'm not the one who is afraid of other opinions (none / 0) (#41)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 05:52:34 PM EST

    I live in a very diverse, highly educated area with people from all over the world with different opinions and life experiences.  I'm very open minded and I don't limit myself to one side when it comes to news.

    But I don't watch 12 hours of TV a day like you so I must be missing out.


    Bogie & Bacall, these people aren't. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 01:15:58 PM EST
    But aside from that, yes, your point is correct. The younger woman / older man dynamic is not uncommon, and it's often not based on money at all.

    I'm ten years older than my spouse, and we first met when when she was 19 and I was 29. Nearly 30 years on, it doesn't matter so much now but to be honest, I was far more conscious of our age difference back then than she was.

    I'm just speculating here but from my observation, older adolescent girls and young women tend to be more mature than most guys their age, so perhaps some of them perceive older men to be rocks of emotional stability. But as our current First Lady -- who's 24 years younger than her husband -- no doubt learned, they may be in for a very rude surprise.



    I have an over 60 BIL (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 05:42:57 PM EST
    who dates over 20 year olds. I think any woman who would date him is mentally deficient. Maybe he dates 20 somethings because they haven't been around enough to realize he is nothing but a problem. And I will say he has no money. So like Howdy says there are just some that have some kind of fixation with older men.

    60 is a little late for a mid life crisis (none / 0) (#42)
    by McBain on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 05:58:39 PM EST
    but if he can pull it off and he's happy.... why not?  

    Nobody (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 06:08:00 PM EST
    really cares except to wonder what is wrong with the woman. Women his age have wizened up to him and are too smart for his nonsense is my guess and he really wants someone less "mature".

    Is the part in his hair plugs (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 06:25:04 PM EST
    As wide as Trump's in video?

    God that man has made me petty every damn day


    No hair (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 06:44:26 PM EST
    plugs for my BIL though he did do a Trump like comb over for many years. He's now given that up.

    That (none / 0) (#46)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 07:42:55 PM EST
    screenshot shows tRump with a grimace on his face, which I found to be very disturbing, definitely not the look of someone having fun.

    The ladies were  NFL cheerleaders who were probably obligated/paid a pittance to be there. I'm guessing
    it was some kind of charity event, parading scantily clad young ladies in front of lecherous so called billionaires is probably a good business model (and I'm sure tRump made a profit on the fee's).


    It seems like a dozen years ago.. (none / 0) (#47)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 10:18:45 PM EST
    that the Great Genius tried to buy the Buffalo Bills, but actually it was in 2014.  Isn't it weird about how time goes.

    Don't forget he owned (none / 0) (#48)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 11:07:33 PM EST
    the Jersey Generals

    I wish that he had (none / 0) (#50)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 12:45:37 AM EST
    succeeded in buying the Bills.  We probably wouldn't be burdened with him today.  He'd just be the owner of a failing football team.

    McBain, if you go to the link (none / 0) (#49)
    by ragebot on Sat Jul 20, 2019 at 11:56:40 PM EST
    there are multiple pix of Trump with a smile on his face.  In another time and place I use to shoot still for the FSU women's volleyball team and was always able to get shots of them with strange expressions on their faces, often times with their eyes closed (I was shooting with a top of the line Canon 1Dx).

    I would always run any of the pix I posted on the web by the team captain to get her OK before posting.  I suspect Trump would not choose the pix above as representative of him at the party.  He did seem to be smiling when he was dancing.


    I (none / 0) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 07:11:06 AM EST
    wonder if he was smiling or frowning here
    "He just came strolling right in," Dixon said. "There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis."

    Dixon went on to say that employees of the Miss Universe Organization encouraged the contestants to lavish Trump with attention when he came in. "To have the owner come waltzing in, when we're naked, or half-naked, in a very physically vulnerable position and then to have the pressure of the people that worked for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention..."

    he was sure proud of it  
    in a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern's show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. "I'll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else," he said.
    Don't you see a pattern here?  He is a self described sexual predator with multiple credible accusers.

    This tape fits to pattern to a tee and you refuse to see.


    forgot (none / 0) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 07:23:25 AM EST
    If any of this is news to you (none / 0) (#54)
    by ragebot on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 01:18:13 PM EST
    you have not been paying attention.

    Trump was well known for treating women like disposable playthings for as long as I can remember. Dredging up an almost 30 year old tape of him at a party with a bunch of cheerleaders does nothing to change Trump's image.

    While you are correct in saying it fits a pattern you are wrong in saying I don't see it.  I can recall both dems and pubs when talking about a candidate saying 'hold your nose and vote for them'.

    Bottom line is bashing Trump for how he treats women is beating a dead horse.


    And (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 02:52:29 PM EST
    not holding him to account is submission, that's what he wants.

    What other pattern should we ignore? The racism? The lies? His wrecking ball approach to everything?

    Sorry, I will keep beating that horse, it might be futile, but at least I can hold my head up, unlike the sniveling cowards who continue to enable him.


    It's not (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 21, 2019 at 04:08:36 PM EST
    about an old tape of Trump partying with women. It's about Trump partying with Epstein and how they appear to be very friendly in that tape. It's about how he and Epstein both are together reacting to the women. The women are really secondary to the story unless it is proven that they were underage at the time.

    No. I'm sorry, but how Trump treats women ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 01:30:00 PM EST
    ... is an entirely relevant discussion because if you think about it, that's also how he pretty much treats everyone else in his orbit. If you are no longer a worthy vessel to serve his immediate emotional and / or material gratification, you are effectively scuttled by him and tossed aside. That's why there's been such an absurdly high turnover rate in this administration less than three years on.

    There is no point in having a dead horse (none / 0) (#63)
    by ragebot on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 07:02:40 PM EST
    if you are not going to beat it.

    Another part of that horse (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by jondee on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 07:19:29 PM EST
    is that a lot of voters secretly would like to go back to being naughty frat boys and sorority girls, and admire and envy Trump for managing his life to enable that lifestyle.

    And then there's the not-insignificant number of evangelicals and the orthodox who spin fairytales about Trump being a deeply-flawed servant of God like the Biblical King David.

    We're not a dispassionate, deeply reflective people here in the U.S on the whole.


    Feel (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 22, 2019 at 07:30:09 PM EST
    free to normalize tRump's deplorable behavior, feel free to join the ranks of sniveling cowards.