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Question: What part of the college admissions cheating scandal is interesting to you? The scam itself, the coaches, proctors and test takers, the parents, and if so, what about them: their wealth or their sense of entitlement, the students, the charges, the way they were arrested, why some are pleading guilty and others aren't, or something else? [If the answer is none of it, just scroll on by, no need to tell us, I'm going to write about it anyway].

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    It never ends. (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 03:26:48 PM EST
    Trump told CBP head he'd pardon him if he were sent to jail for violating immigration law

    How do we not have enough evidence to impeach this %8^&? Democrats need to subpoena the Mueller Report, now.


    I read (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 03:33:19 PM EST
    where congress should just open up an impeachment inquiry. Doesn't necessarily mean that he will end up getting impeached but that he has become so lawless that something needs to be done. The fact that he gave security clearances to blackmail candidates should have been enough.

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    The toxic society in which we now live. (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:33:42 PM EST
    My wife has a step grandson (about 14) down in Baltimore who loves Bone Spurs. And this is only because he has an uncle who is a big time MAGAT and he adores this particular uncle. Anyway, he announced last week that he didn't want to learn Spanish in school now because he "hates Mexicans."

    I doubt seriously he actually knows any Mexicans. But because of the vitriol spewed by his uncle, hates them. And this has translated into not learning Spanish.

    The knot on my forehead just keeps growing.

    Tiger Woods (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Zorba on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 01:41:28 PM EST
    Won the Masters.

    As a longtime college prof (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Towanda on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:48:58 PM EST
    I am outraged but not really surprised, especially about the role of campus sports.  For decades, I had to clean up messes made by coaches, too many of whom are corrupt and do not belong on a campus.  (I'm looking at you, Bruce Pearl.  You left my campus with the legacy of your illegal activities, hurting some good guys.)

    Of course, I have to chuckle at the comments of those parents horrified by the thought that their precious darlings otherwise would have to go to a "state school," as a graduate and longtime prof at one of the most highly ranked "state school" systems that can compete with Harvard, Stanford, et al. -- except in funding.

    And I have to empathize with the profs stuck with those unqualified but entitled students.  And I would that those parents did not stop with admissions but continued to pressure for undeserves grades for their precious darlings.  There is a special part of hell reserved for helicopter parents.

    So Bernie had his FAUX town hall last night (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 09:39:33 AM EST
    I think we need to start preparing ourselves for him to win the nomination.

    I won't be any happier than any others ne reading this - eyes on the prize.

    Don't (none / 0) (#139)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 10:54:53 AM EST
    count out Biden, if/when he gets in it will start off neck and neck.

    Current polling shows them more or less splitting half of the support.

    Kind of hoping they beat the crap out of each other and let someone else sneak up on them.

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    If Biden gets in (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 11:00:59 AM EST
    I don't think he will last.

    I think Bernie will last.  Win or not Bernie will be in it till the last dog dies.

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    I (none / 0) (#142)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 11:32:43 AM EST
    agree that Bernie's base is stronger and more loyal than Biden's, but I think Biden will hang in there a bit longer than he has in previous runs.

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    Then we also (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 02:59:16 PM EST
    had better prepare for a second Trump term. 2020 will be about socialism and only 37% of the country will vote for a self avowed socialist according to polls.

    However I don't think Bernie is going to be the nominee simply by looking at the states. He's dropped 45 points in NH from 2016 and I don't see him winning super Tuesday.

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    I think Bernie would beat Trump (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:08:59 PM EST
    If it came to it

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    He's polling the lowest (none / 0) (#156)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:46:27 PM EST
    of all the candidates right now. I'm not so confident after seeing Bernie drunk singing with the Russians in his underwear running in a loop on TV that it will help him with voters and probably make him lose voters.

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    Not according to USA TODAY (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:56:18 PM EST
    At the end of March

    Biden performed the best of the potential Democratic nominees in a theoretical head-to-head matchup with Trump. If the election were held today, 47 percent of voters say they would vote for Biden, and 40 percent say they would vote for Trump.

    The poll found Sanders winning a contest with Trump, although by a narrower 44 to 41 percent. The other two potential matchups against Trump that pollsters looked at were Warren and Harris. Harris trailed Trump 39-41, and Warren was behind 40-42.



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    I saw (none / 0) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 04:21:53 PM EST
    a different poll which had everybody winning but Bernie just eking out 51% and Biden winning by 10 points.

    Parent
    Guess who is next (none / 0) (#153)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:18:58 PM EST
    It probably not the worst idea (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:32:48 PM EST
    Went pretty well for Bernie.  A free for the taking way to stand out from the crowd.

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    Also (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:36:22 PM EST
    IMO doing a town hall is very different from doing a democratic debate.  Which is what has been excluded.

    I don't think there was ever a plan for no democrat to go on FOX.

    I believe I suggested it once but I'm fine with reaching as many voters as possible.

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    I get it (none / 0) (#157)
    by CST on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 03:49:29 PM EST
    It makes sense politically.  Can't help but wonder what else they're willing to do to reach those voters.  Or more likely, what they won't do and who they won't stand up for.

    Parent
    Come On... (none / 0) (#185)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 12:05:29 PM EST
    ...democrats, you think this is a good will gesture from Fox News.

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    It went well for Bernie (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:24:04 PM EST
    It got the largest audience for a town hall so far this cycle.

    I expect if they do another town hall for a democrat they will be more careful about the audience so they don't get hate tweets, which they did, from their boss in the White House

    If Pete does one I bet he gets a bigger audience than Bernie just based on morbid curiosity.  Which will definitely bring Trump into the Mayor Pete show.  Which is likely to only be good for Mayor Pete

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    I'll say this (none / 0) (#196)
    by CST on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 04:13:53 PM EST
    I don't love the idea of Democrats going on Fox News, but if Pete (or anyone really) uses it as an opportunity to directly call out not just Trump, but also Fox News blatant racism and sexism than maybe I'll reconsider my position that they are more than willing to shove us under the bus for some good ol' boy support.

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    Pete went up a notch today (none / 0) (#197)
    by CST on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 04:15:18 PM EST
    Because he has started with Trump.  But Trump is just a symptom.

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    I heard (none / 0) (#201)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 05:15:18 PM EST
    differently about Bernie. Bernie scored when he asked everybody in the audience about Medicare but the rest of the time he had no answer or wrong answers. He totally botched the late term abortion answer and the tax question. At one point the audience was even laughing at him.

    The next day Fox ran his greatest moments over and over. Greatest moments for conservatives not Bernie.

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    But Who Will the Republican Nominee Be? (none / 0) (#187)
    by RickyJim on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:07:33 PM EST
    I rate the chances it will be Trump less than 50%.  Health (mental and physical), Impeachment, Indictment are the three things that may cause the Republicans to put up somebody else.

    Parent
    Good point (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:14:31 PM EST
    I think there would have to be something earth shaking.  I am not expecting the Mueller report to be earth shaking but you are right there are many things that could happen.

    Bill Weld is officially in the republican primary.  I think Trumpsters dismiss Weld at their peril.  He is a pretty good politician and he has said straight up he is going after Trump hammer and tongs.  His mission is to destroy Trump.  He didn't actually say that's more the point than winning but pretty close

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    MLK Jr. wrote (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 11:24:13 AM EST
    Letter from a Birmingham Jail 56 years ago today.

    There is a 4 hour series... (none / 0) (#179)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 12:27:13 AM EST
    running on PBS right now about the Reconstruction.  One of the most misunderstood chapters of American history.

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    Last night Pete was heckled by a pair (5.00 / 3) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 08:33:45 AM EST
    Of crazies screaming about Sodom and Gomorrah when he mentioned his marriage.

    He handled it with typical grace and humor  If you have not seen it it's everywhere including leading every show on MSNBC and CNN.

    But when I mentioned ways they would attack him that would backfire spectacularly, this is pretty much exactly what I had in mind.

    He should put these guys on the payroll.

    On second thought maybe (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 12:46:34 PM EST
    Sure, that's because Trump (5.00 / 2) (#204)
    by fishcamp on Thu Apr 18, 2019 at 07:11:49 AM EST
    is too busy blocking U S citizens from visiting Cuba in retaliation for Cuba's suport of Maduro's Venezuela problems.  Of course it also gives Trump a chance of changing another program that Obama set up.  The man just cannot make a move without lies, threats, and fear.

    Rich people are so dumb. (1.00 / 2) (#125)
    by thomas rogan on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 07:56:39 PM EST
    Do any colleges check if you self-declare as African American or multiracial?  How--do they make you take 23 and me?  I suspect that all these rich parents had to do was have the kids lie on the race question of the application and they'd have gotten as much of an edge in admissions as the shenanigans they pulled got them.  Except maybe in California, since affirmative action is illegal, which may explain why so many cases involved USC and UCLA...

    But (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 08:00:30 PM EST
    We're not on your lawn.

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    GUAVA SPICE CAKE w/ cream cheese icing. (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 08:39:47 PM EST
    GUAVA SPICE CAKE
    • 3 cups cake flour
    • 2 cups white sugar
    • 1 cup butter
    • 4 eggs
    • 1 cup guava pulp
    • 1/2 cup guava nectar
    • 1 tsp. ground nutmeg
    • 1-1/4 tsps. baking soda
    • 1/4 tsp. ground cloves
    • 1/4 tsp ground cinnamon

    Preheat oven to 350 degrees (175 Celsius). Grease and flour one 13"x9" pan. Sift together flour, nutmeg, baking soda, cinnamon and cloves. In a second bowl, mix together the guava pulp and juice.

    In a third separate bowl, blend together the sugar and butter, then blend in the eggs one at a time. Add the flour mixture and guava mixture alternately to the creamed butter mixture. Blend thoroughly, and pour into grease and floured cake pan. Bake at 350 degrees for 30-35 minutes.

    CREAM CHEESE ICING

    • 8 oz. cream cheese, softened to room temperature
    • 1/3 cup sugar
    • 1 tsp. vanilla
    • 8 oz. whipping cream
    • 2 tbsp. sugar (additional)

    In a medium bowl, beat softened cream cheese until light and fluffy. Add sugar and vanilla and beat. In a separate bowl, beat the whipping cream until thickened, while also adding 2 tablespoons of sugar. Continue beating until stiff peaks; do not overbeat. With a spatula, slowly fold in the whipped cream to the cream cheese. Refrigerate until ready to use.

    Once the cake has sufficiently cooled, spread icing thickly and then refrigerate until ready to serve. Serves 12-14 people.

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    For the last couple of days (none / 0) (#1)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 12:29:12 PM EST
    the last open thread has exceeded 200 posts but it seems posts are still being added by some; yet I am not able to add posts there (not that I really want to).

    If someone wanted to add a post to a seemingly closed thread how would they do it; asking for a friend.

    Guilty as charged. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 12:35:51 PM EST
    You cannot reply to any of the posts but other than that you should be able to post like you normally would.

    I saw my first Swallow-Tailed Kite while I was out watering my plants. Just beautiful!

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    It looks like some sort (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 01:59:24 PM EST
    of hawk mated with a giant swallow.

    Very cool. I like the birds myself. We've been getting an influx of big pileated woodpeckers in the woods nearby, but they're incredibly skittish and hard to get a good look at. You can hear them hammering away up high in the trees like elves in Santa's workshop.

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    There is a Pileated Woodpecker that shows (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by vml68 on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 03:20:26 PM EST
    up every summer in the little conservation area that is right behind my place. So, for the past few years I've been getting a close up view from my bedroom window. I will miss seeing him when I move to my new place.
    I had never seen a Pileated woodpecker till I moved to FL and did a double take when I saw how big it was. Another absolutely gorgeous bird.

    I've already made a "friend" at my new place. I've been working in the backyard clearing all the invasives, weeds, pruning trees, etc. Every time I am back there this little black racer (about 3-4 feet long) shows up and just hangs out. The other day, I was absent mindedly reaching for the loppers at my feet and it kinda registered in my brain that my lopper was moving. Well, it was not the long black handle of my lopper but the black racer. He was so relaxed, which is kinda unusual and he just stayed near my feet while I talked to him.

    My husband is absolutely terrified of snakes and was not at all amused to hear about my new friend.  This past weekend I was out in the yard again and my husband was walking towards me when all of a sudden he stopped. I had not noticed but my "friend" had joined me again.
     

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    The pileated woodpecker (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 04:12:15 PM EST
    is the second-largest woodpecker on the continent, after the critically endangered--and possibly extinct ivory-billed woodpecker.

    In a couple of weeks I am doing another trip on the Slave Canal; always an interesting trip in what is one of the wildest areas in Florida.  NatGeo has claimed that while the ivory billed is probably extinct, if there are any left they would be in the Aucilla Slew, along with some other isolated areas in the Southeast.  Of the many reasons for the demise of the ivory-billed woodpecker is for many years early inhabitants it's range described it as better eating than wood ducks and would shoot them on sight and eat them.

    As for pileated woodpeckers there sightings seem to have increased for me recently due to the large number of trees knocked down by hurricanes which they now feed on.

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    The (none / 0) (#28)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 05:20:49 PM EST
    Pileated have always been fairly common around here, but we are kind of in bird paradise around here.
    The Ospreys rule as far as I'm concerned.

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    I also love ospreys. (none / 0) (#42)
    by leap on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 09:08:42 PM EST
    They talk a LOT! For several years I've been watching this nest in Missoula. Watching this pair prepare the nest--after flying back separately from their wintering grounds in Central America--, lay eggs, protect the eggs from hail and wind and predators, raise the young when fishing is sometimes near impossible due to sediment-filled spring freshets in the Clark Fork River obscuring the fish...It's a very hard life for birds.

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    Not sure they rule (none / 0) (#50)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 11:09:14 PM EST
    but they sure make a mess eating, not to mention what they do after eating.

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    I'm getting a pair of ladder-backed (none / 0) (#27)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 05:09:59 PM EST
    woodpeckers in the yard. But then I feed them.  The ladder-backs are small but active birds.

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    I'll see your swallow-tailed kite ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 06:14:30 PM EST
    ... and raise you a Pueo (Hawaiian short-eared owl) who's just caught dinner. There is a mating pair which nests in the rainforest behind us, but I haven't seen where exactly. But they're regulars in our neighborhood, and we'll see them flying around in the afternoon when they're looking for their next meal. They are one of the few species of owls that are active during the daytime.

    The Pueo and the 'Io (Hawaiian hawk) are the only two birds of prey endemic to Hawaii, and both are a fairly common sight here on the Big Island, particularly on the slopes of Mauna Kea and the Waimea-Kohala area. Beautiful birds.

    Aloha.

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    In our new home (none / 0) (#113)
    by Towanda on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:29:17 PM EST
    away from the city, which I do miss, we are reacquainting with woodland critters.  Our development has ponds that attract gorgeous mallards -- and great blue heron! If you haven't seen them, esp cially when they take wing, you are missing a marvel of nature.

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    I find it interesting (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 12:40:20 PM EST
    That Felicity Huffman might go to jail and Donald Trump Jr might not.

    Oh, Trump is (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 12:47:34 PM EST
    going to jail and probably is going to die there but it may not happen until after he leaves office. He's been running a criminal enterprise for decades now and it's catching up with him. It's not a matter of if but when at this point and whether it's going to be SDNY or the NY AG that puts him in jail.

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    I wish I had your certainty (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 01:53:59 PM EST
    I had a long lunch with MAGA today.

    It left me wondering what happens if the ruling class says I am going to ignore the law and there is nothing you can do about it and 42% of the country is ok with that.

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    An aside (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 01:55:25 PM EST
    He was very interested in Mayor Pete.

    Go figure.

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    It is because (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:20:44 PM EST
    Mayor Pete can talk religion. There is a reason why Pete's little discussion of religion drew blood from evangelicals. 1. He can talk to them even though he's not and evangelical and 2. he punctures holes in all their brain dead talking points.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:29:47 PM EST
    He was unaware of both his religious leanings and his military record.  Amazing considering he is retired military.

    Like I said.  Go figure.

    He is one of a married pair I went to HS with.  We have become friends since I moved back here.

    His wife has gone beyond the event horizon of crazy.  It might be what saves him.  Oddly.

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    That is interesting. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:32:00 PM EST
    You would think he would have some reason for liking Mayor Pete but then magats are not the deepest thinkers out there.

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    He heard him speak (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:33:38 PM EST
    That's all

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    He is a white male (none / 0) (#38)
    by MKS on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 07:54:52 PM EST
    who looks like an establishment CPA.....

    Not the reasons Progressives like him, but there you go....

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    I don't think so (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 08:25:19 PM EST
    He spoke of hearing him speak about dealing with being gay.

    It makes me wonder if what he said might speak to many men who may have "heard the call" however faintly and resisted.

    Understand there is absolutely nothing about this man or my experience with him that leads me to that.  Just a feeling.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 10:48:32 AM EST
    He was also the interested in Amy Klobuchar.  Said he liked her.

    I believe this is a person who's vote we mingle get  

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    Well, then (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:19:13 PM EST
    if they ignore the law they are going to have a huge amount of civil unrest in this country.

    Even if you don't think SDNY is going to do the job even though they've already lodged two felony campaign finance fraud indictments against Trump do you really think Tish James and Cuomo are going to let Trump get away with defrauding the State of NY?

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    I thought the Mueller report (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:20:51 PM EST
    Would be released and have consequences

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    I think (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:23:46 PM EST
    a lot of people believed that Barr would do the right thing for America myself included despite his history. Congress needs to go to the mat to get the entire report released to the public. Frankly they should start charging members of Trump's cabinet first of all Mnuchin for breaking the law regarding tax returns. I mean he basically announced he is not going to follow the law.

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    Trump has the DOJ (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:26:25 PM EST
    He probably has the SC.  He has the senate as much as he needs.

    We have a majority of voters.  Join me in hoping it's enough.

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    The EC (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:28:10 PM EST
    the GOP loves so much has Trump positive with 180 EVs. There's some optimism for you. So much for the whole nonsense gas lighting claim that the majority is in NY and CA.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:21:44 PM EST
    I'm usually the optimist.  I suppose he is still here.  Dulled by the multiple martinis

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    Well, I understand. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 02:26:43 PM EST
    Remember the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice. Sometimes the wheels of justice grind mighty slow. It is frustrating for sure. I'm usually the pessimist and yes, you are an optimist. Personally I have noticed Trumpers shutting up lately for the most part.

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    Some of them live near me.

    Also I wonder if when some of them start talking, will they implicate others not yet identified/charged?


    Yes, the parents are right up (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 04:45:25 PM EST
    there in the admission cheating scandal.  Actually, in my view,  it is "all of them, Katie". However, my worry is about the intrusion of privilege into already difficult and competitive admissions policies and procedures that include objective (grades/SAT or ACT scores) and subjective (interviews, essays) criteria. An issue whenever there are more applicants than positions available.  Indeed, general recruitment is to increase the applicant pool from which the limited number and best applicants will be admitted.

     Privilege on the parts of the parents, for sure, but also, the fostering of their sense of entitlement by the Universities, and, corruption in its service.  There may be a rogue coach or admissions officer here and there, but this appears to be systemic. Fund-raising, endowments, grant seeking and budgetary interests outdistance institutional integrity.  The US has enjoyed a well-deserved, international reputation for its higher education quality.  This scandal risks it all.

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    It (none / 0) (#26)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 04:57:06 PM EST
    is  all part of the systemic rot that is affecting virtually all of our institutions. This country is falling apart before our very eyes.

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    The USC women's water polo team ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 06:29:02 PM EST
    ... was in Honolulu to play the University of Hawaii-Manoa when the feds brought the hammer down on Operation Varsity Blues, and Trojans Coach Jovan Vavic -- who was one of two people at USC implicated in the bribery / admissions scheme -- was arrested at his team's Waikiki hotel at about 6:30 a.m. HST. He posted bail that morning, and USC fired him that afternoon.

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    A couple of them live here in Marin County (none / 0) (#45)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 10:04:26 PM EST
    Bill McGlashan's brother, now deceased, was a very good and liberal County Supervisor.  Bill lives in Mill Valley, where I grew up.

    Diane and Bill Blake live about three miles from my house.

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    Black light bowling (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 03:03:54 PM EST
    My friend and I (mentioned above) have been doing various local "things".  

    One of those things is bowling.  I had not bowled in forever until recently.  One day bowling I shared with the owner my "bowling story"

    The last time, before recently, I bowled was in about 1970.  I was on acid.  It was, like, maybe the third time in my life I ever bowled.  I bowled a perfect game.  Ten strikes in a row.  Fortunately I was able to name another person present the owner knew.  Who was still alive.

    As a result my friend and I are being given a free black light bowling night.  This is when they turn off all but the black lights and the balls and pins are glo in the dark.

    On the website it's supposed to require 10 people and cost extra..  We are getting a special.  This Sunday.  

    There are very few things I would DVR season 8 episode 1 of GoTs.  This is one.

    Lifelong bowler here... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 06:17:58 PM EST
    just want to point out a perfect game is 12 strikes in a row. The tenth frame would require 3 strikes for a perfect game.

    Blackout bowling is a blast - enjoy!

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    The Cap'n was on acid. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 06:30:29 PM EST
    Cut him some slack.
    ;-D

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    Turned out he wasn't even in (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 06:57:02 PM EST
    a bowling alley that night.

    Seriously though, when Dock Ellis pitched that no-hitter on acid, he said one batter looked like Nixon and he thought another guy was Jimi Hendrix.

    Under those circumstances, you can't expect a person's recollection to be 100% accurate in every minute particular.

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    Whatever (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 07:11:51 PM EST
    I only remember ten spaces on the sheet

    But I know shite about bowling so I'm sure your are right

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    And the last time (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 07:17:40 PM EST
    It was more about fat joints and  beer than bowling.

    Maybe Sunday I will see a score sheet again.

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    And speaking of acid insight stories (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 07:28:18 PM EST
    Here's another

    My friend, oddly the very same I was bowling with that fateful night, had a Turkish Puzzle Ring.

    He had it for years and no one could put it together.

    Yes, one night in his dorm room, on acid, I put it together

    Swear by the old gods and the new.

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    Needless to say (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 07:49:49 PM EST
    In 1970ish there were no internet instructional videos.  Just watching this makes my head hurt.  Imagine doing this from scratch with no help

    when you couldn't even walk straight

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    ... dropped acid, went to the movie theatre and watched "Raiders of the Lost Ark." It was the perfect combination, window pane and Indiana Jones.

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    Sweet little princess Shireen (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 08:01:03 PM EST
    Is being burned alive on HBO2e

    Have to say the new (none / 0) (#145)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 12:59:29 PM EST
    GOT was kinda a let down.

    Biggest takeaway I got was when Varys was looking down on Danny and Jon as they were making nice and the Onion Knight and Tyrion were talking about their seeming romance and Varys said 'nothing lasts'.

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    Were you expecting (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 04:07:13 PM EST
    Elephants?

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    Don'y you know (none / 0) (#175)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 11:41:58 PM EST
    elephants don't travel well on ships.

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    Something I find interesting about the college (none / 0) (#41)
    by McBain on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 08:50:15 PM EST
    admissions scandal is how it compares to other instances school related cheating.  It's easy to hate the rich for bribery but what about the middle class or poor family that lies about their kid's residence so he can get into a better football school?  My understanding is that happens quite a bit.

    What about the college athlete who doesn't really go to class or do the homework but somehow stays eligible?  

    I guess my point is I'm not really outraged at the recent admissions allegations.  While I tend to have a mostly positive view of humanity, I understand that people will often try to gain an unfair advantage if they think they can get away with it.  In my world the high school kid going to school he shouldn't has a bigger impact on me than the super rich kid getting into a school I was never going to attend.  

    Almost the entire raison d'etre (5.00 / 7) (#46)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 10:07:04 PM EST
    of right-wing media is to make people resent the poor getting freebies more than they resent the rich getting them.

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    This is without a doubt (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CST on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 11:47:16 AM EST
    The worst possible take of this story.

    On the one hand you have parents with very little looking to make something of their kids despite their disadvantages. On the other hand you have parents with everything trying to hoard their advantages.

    And yet you regularly argue against the concept of privilege.  Privelage doesn't even begin to describe the level of entitlement here.  Despicable.

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    Rules should only apply to the rich? (none / 0) (#70)
    by McBain on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 01:21:01 PM EST
    On the one hand you have parents with very little looking to make something of their kids despite their disadvantages.

    Are you saying that's OK to do?  What about the other families with very little who don't cheat?  

    On the other hand you have parents with everything trying to hoard their advantages.

    They're basically doing the same thing, lying/cheating to make life better for their kids.  I believe their alleged crimes are worse than the school district deceivers but I'm not particularly outraged.

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    Personally (none / 0) (#71)
    by CST on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 01:40:29 PM EST
    I consider it a national responsibility to have good public schools available to all children.  I don't consider it a national responsibility to provide private college admissions to all young adults.

    While their actions might be understandable they are not equivalent.   This is the first time you've acknowledged that it's even a little bit worse, in your original comment you took the opposite position.  I wouldn't say I'm outraged but I'm also not particularly sympathetic to people who already have every opportunity and it's still not enough.

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    Not quite CST (none / 0) (#73)
    by McBain on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 03:31:16 PM EST
    In my original comment, I said the high school kid getting into a school he technically shouldn't get into has a bigger impact in my world than the college admissions scandal.

    I consider it a national responsibility to have good public schools available to all children.  

    As long as one nearby district is better than the others, people are going to try to get their kids into that one, even if the others are "good". Where I live, education is too competitive in my opinion.  Too many Tiger Moms.  Too many stressed out kids.  In a nearby city with an excellent school system, the teen suicide rate is unusually high.  

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    I'm not aware (none / 0) (#44)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 09:55:26 PM EST
    ...that any of the big football colleges have any sort of residency requirements.  Most of them would take a good prospect if he was from Tibet.

    Second point, if a college athlete plays for the price of a scholarship, either he should be paid generously for his assistance in generating millions at the gate, or the coaches and athletic directors should be paid the equivalent of that scholarship because they do it for the love of amateur athletics.

    As it turned out with the pay for play scholarship fiasco, the big contributors are now also charged with money laundering, which I think we can all agree should cost them the same penalty a first time offender black kid gets for shoplifting a pack of Blunts, three to five in a hard core prison.

    I remember how I prepared for the exam that made me a National Merit Scholar.

    I walked into the room and picked up the pencil.  Who can't do THAT?

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    Kinda sure (none / 0) (#51)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 11:18:59 PM EST
    McBain was talking about high school athletes that of their own volition, or because the high school encourages it, pretend they live someplace they don't or didn't.

    While what I will call normal (if such a thing exists) public and private high schools attract bubble athletes and recruit blue chip ones there are places like IMG that are way over the top IMHO.

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    In the local HS district (none / 0) (#55)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:05:22 AM EST
    There is one Catholic high school.  As a private school, they are not restricted to students living in any area like the public schools are. They are perennial champions.

    Check out De La Salle HS, a private Catholic school which had a 12 YEAR winning streak, 151 games, with a student body of just over a thousand.

    So the Catholic schools get to bring in ringers from OTHER STATES if they want to, and dominate the football leagues.

    There is no way a few ringers in public schools can match what the private schools can do, even though they play in the same athletic conference. And get creamed.

    One of my friends wanted his son to play on a team in another district, so the kid moved in with a relative who lived there. He really did live in the district while he lived at his relative's house, but he had to actually move to play there.

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    When I was in high school, ... (none / 0) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:57:09 AM EST
    ... we played Mater Dei HS of Santa Ana in an intersectional football game and actually beat them quite handily, 35-7. Nowadays, they are Southern California's equivalent of De La Salle HS - a beastly and very well-funded football factory with a high school attached to it for mere appearance's sake.

    In fact, the Monarchs rolled over De La Salle this past December for the second straight year, this time 35-21, to repeat as CIF state football champs. No public high schools can compete with these sports factory schools on a year in / year out basis, and the money these programs are raking in is emblematic of the adult greed that's doing serious overall damage to the basic concept of interscholastic high school sports.

    Aloha.

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    As a dad of two boys who are/were (none / 0) (#104)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 12:43:39 PM EST
    playing HS football in CA, A) The public schools can/do "cheat" and bring in kids to the school from other cities/states and falsely claim residency. And 2) Yes, despite "A)" you are tight in that "There is no way a few ringers in public schools can match what the private schools can do."

    That said, the pub schools that bring in ringers usually crush the other local pub schools that are in the same conference, so that kinda sucks.

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    Yes, high school, but can also be (none / 0) (#58)
    by McBain on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 10:33:52 AM EST
    middle school, elementary school and for academic reasons not just sports.   Where I live, housing is very expensive, especially in the areas with good school districts.  I can see how it would be very tempting to say your kid lives at grandmas address instead of your own.

    What happens if kids learn at an early age that it's OK to lie/cheat about certain things in order to gain an advantage over people who are more honest? Perhaps the people accused in this current college admissions scandal felt this was not a big deal, just part of making sure their kids have the best chance of succeeding?

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    Those poor little rich parents (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by CST on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 11:48:50 AM EST
    Just couldn't help themselves.   It's society's fault really.

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    Or perhaps, just maybe, we should have (5.00 / 5) (#72)
    by Peter G on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 01:46:16 PM EST
    fair funding for public schools state-wide, rather than "rich/good" districts and "poor/bad" districts, based on the property tax base. Then the public schools could actually perform one of their basic social policy functions in a democracy: identifying the most academically gifted and motivated kids, regardless of social class and parental wealth, and giving them the opportunity to succeed according to their natural  talents, for their own and society's benefit.

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    The biggest problem (none / 0) (#75)
    by ragebot on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 01:05:01 AM EST
    is the inflated cost of college.  When I was an undergrad I worked as a bouncer at a local bar Friday and Saturday nights, had the GI bill, and drove a cab over the Christmas Holiday in Miami; I had money in the bank when I graduated.  In grad/law school I had paying internships or worked at the computer center help desk; again had money in the bank when I graduated and multiple offers for good jobs.

    Since that time the ratio of support employees to prof at universities has flipped from three profs to one employee to three employees to one prof.  While I love going to the rec center at FSU to swim in the Olympic size pool, walk/run on the indoor track, play hand ball, lift weights, and especially sit in the hot tub and look at the coeds in bikinis it is really a luxury that I did not have when I was a student.  Same goes for multiple activities and sports teams that don't pay for themselves.  To make matters worse there are lots of majors that have little or no chance of resulting in jobs capable of paying off student debt.

    I doubt those kids who's parents paid big bucks to get them into schools will be taking STEM courses.  IMHO something like half the students in college should be elsewhere.

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    That is a byproduct (none / 0) (#80)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 09:25:45 AM EST
    ...of the "free money" being thrown around in the form of government secured college loans, which are enforced by draconian measures that do not allow for bankruptcy, but follow the former student for decades, while piling interest onto the loan.

    The original purpose was not to inflate the costs of legitimate schools, but to pave the way for private for-profit colleges that offered nothing in the way of education, to loot the futures of kids trying to improve their lives. These enterprises bought enough members of Congress to put the deal in place.

    Be careful what you wish for.

    We passed on paying off the house in order to put the kid through school, which cost about $150,000 after the cost of travel, an apartment, and the tuition at a top school, where she graduated with honors. Now she is gainfully employed and does not have what amounts to a mortgage, without a house to go with it. We were fortunate to only have one child and have the resources to provide that.

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    Back in the (none / 0) (#84)
    by Zorba on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 01:39:10 PM EST
    Pleistocene, when I went to college, I got a National Merit Scholarship, which paid my tuition.  I lived at home, and commuted to college in a cheap car, which my grandfather gave me as a high school graduation gift.  I worked part time, and full time in the summers to pay for my books, fees, and gas. I graduated with no debt, and had money in a savings account.

    For graduate school, I received a National Direct Student Loan, which meant that if I taught special education students for five years (which I did), the loan was completely wiped out.

    The tuition at the highly-rated private university I attended 53 years ago was $1500/year.  It is now north of $40,000/year.  Yes, there is inflation, but not that high.

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    The area of biggest inflation (none / 0) (#88)
    by ragebot on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 05:33:06 PM EST
    is grade inflation.  Just did a google search on the term and this article caught my eye.

    The key blurb:

    Colleges can stop grade inflation, as Wellesley College learned. But disarming unilaterally brings its own consequences.

    I am still kinda shocked that colleges worry about 'disarming unilaterally'

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    I went to college on a ... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 04:08:11 AM EST
    ... full-ride baseball scholarship, and I graduated on time. I appreciate the education I received. Today, there's a lot of talk about paying student-athletes, which I adamantly oppose because only seven of the 284 NCAA Div. 1 athletic programs operate in the black. Compelling schools to pay student-athletes will almost assuredly result in many schools having to shut down their interscholastic athletic programs, because they're not all like Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas and USC.

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    In big part due to (none / 0) (#146)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 01:02:33 PM EST
    Title IX; not that it is a bad thing.  Football and basket ball pay for them selves at a lot more schools; but almost no other sport does.  Part of the reason for the huge cost of college sports is how much money the minor sports eat up.

    While it is great that women get more opportunity to participate in sports the money has to come from some place.

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    Women's and men's volleyball ... (none / 0) (#160)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 04:09:13 PM EST
    ... have long been huge and popular sports at the University of Hawaii, and their popularity is fast growing at a number of other schools. The No. 2 Rainbow Warriors' recent home match against No. 3 UC-Santa Barbara Gauchos filled Stan Sheriff Center with 10,300 fans.

    Further, public attendance at women's volleyball matches regularly outpaces that of men's basketball games at the University of Nebraska, where the Lady Cornhuskers are a huge draw and have sold out the arena for the past decade.

    The primary goal and purpose of Title IX (now known as the Patsy T. Mink Education Act after its principal author) has always been equal opportunity in education. That is, if a school offers a program to men and boys, then the equivalent must also be offered to women and girls.

    Further, that law does not require public officials to treat the funding of such programs as a zero-sum proposition, in which funding for women's and girls' sports comes at the expense of men's and boy's sports. To the extent that a number of these same public officials would desire to treat it as such, by which they would then claim that the law discriminates against men (it doesn't), well, that's a conscious choice which is entirely their own.

    While the explosive growth in interscholastic women's and girl's sports tends to be the Mink Act's most publicly visible result, the law has actually had its most profound impact in professional fields such as law and medicine, two fields from which women were once regularly excluded. 50 years ago, only about 1% of all first-year law and medical students were women, if that. Last year, for the very first time, women's enrollment numbers in medical schools across the country actually exceeded 50%.

    Aloha.

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    I am a huge fan of (none / 0) (#178)
    by ragebot on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 12:08:10 AM EST
    beach volleyball and my Lady Noles have been a real force in the sport reaching the natty game last year.  Props to the Lady Nole Soccer team with two nattys to their credit.  The Lady Nole softball team is the defending national champ.  It is notable that FSU football coach Fisher quit and took a job at TAM because FSU built a new stadium for the softball team after they won the natty and a new soccer field after the soccer field won a natty; money he wanted to go to the football team.

    While women's sports do draw nice crowds at FSU the revenue does not come close to paying for those sports.  Football supports itself, same for men's basketball, and men's baseball (Noles are the winningest NCAA Division I college baseball program); but all other sports are subsidized by these three programs.

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    While Trump is bust dismantling the US... (none / 0) (#43)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 09:37:08 PM EST
    Steve Bannon seems to be in Italy engineering the destruction of the Roman Catholic church, in particular Pope Francis, who he considers not right-wing crazy enough.

    I love how (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 05:13:52 AM EST
    conservatives are more concerned with getting rid of a pope who is attempting to spread love and care for the poor than Pope Paul who covered up the pedophile scandal.

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    Is Bannon going to try to start (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 10:13:34 PM EST
    a new P-2 chapter over there?

    He wants to get some really Black Shirts in amongst those priestly vestments.


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    P2 or Propaganda Due (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 10:17:27 PM EST
    At first glance you have to say (none / 0) (#49)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 10:42:12 PM EST
    it's pretty nervy for the allies of Benedict XVI to accuse Pope Francis of "mismanaging" the Church's sexual abuse scandals.

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    Repost (none / 0) (#52)
    by ragebot on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 11:28:25 PM EST
    Have to wonder why no one replied to this.

    link

    I liked it (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 11:50:35 PM EST
    FWIW

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    There is a lot (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 12, 2019 at 11:58:41 PM EST
    Of this guy He's like the Mongolian Captain Beefheart.

    Mongolian throat singing is my new favorite thing actually.

    Try this with bagpipes

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    The Vikings had something similar (none / 0) (#65)
    by ragebot on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:25:28 PM EST
    to the throat singing, and this is in English.  Takes a while to get to the vocals.

    What impressed most about the Hu was the production values.  While the instruments mostly seem to be modern versions of the more traditional ones about the 3:24 mark the guy who seems to be the front man plays what looks like a jews harp.

    Also learned a new trick with transitions using chromatic aberration; am gonna try that in a future vid.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 10:04:16 AM EST
    The videos are great

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    Re the college admissions cases: (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 05:02:34 AM EST
    Wouldn't you think the ACT/SAT management knew or should have known unusually high scores were coming from solo student /proctor test-taking?  Same re the test site in L. A. where out-or-area kids had permission to take the tests?  

    Way back in (none / 0) (#66)
    by ragebot on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:28:51 PM EST
    1974 when I took the LSAT you could hire a ringer to take the test for you for $US200.  A Florida drivers license did not even have a picture back then; not to mention fake IDs were maybe $US10.

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    Iowans were way too honest I guess. (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 04:32:40 PM EST
    Washington Post seeks dismissal of (none / 0) (#60)
    by McBain on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 10:50:45 AM EST
    Covington student's lawsuit.
    Now, the Post wants a judge to toss Sandmann's lawsuit, in part because the libel action only cites early articles that "included the observations and perspectives of the principal Native American participant in the incident and other eyewitnesses."

    Publishing such first impressions, the motion argues, is not defamatory.

    I hope this kid gets something out of this an other legal efforts but my limited knowledge of libel law suggests the bad guys usually win.  I don't think he needs a $250 million judgement/settlement.  Perhaps something like a real apology and money for a good college.

    I know his lawyer, Lin Wood, has had a lot of success in his career but I'm not sure asking for the moon is such a great strategy.  

    In other defamation news, actor Geoffrey Rush has won a judgement against an Australian newspaper.

    Oscar-winning actor Geoffrey Rush has won more than $600,000 and could receive millions more, after successfully arguing that an Australian tabloid newspaper defamed him with a #MeToo story.


    In other Very selectively perused (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:16:52 PM EST
    defamation news, one is still left wondering why it is that the "Covington kids" are a cause elebre to the point of obsession in some quarters, whereas the organized slandering and harassment of the grieving Newtown families and the Parkland students and their families is as much a matter for concern as disappearing ice caps.

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    Dissing (none / 0) (#67)
    by ragebot on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:33:06 PM EST
    families and especially kids is bad.  But the Covington kids were not public figures and never sought out the spotlight.  Not so much the Newtown families but many of the Parkland students and families made every effort to get eyeballs on them with all the TV and other media coverage they could get.

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    If that's somehow supposed to make (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 12:55:35 PM EST
    understandable and sympathetic the psychopathic absence of concern and outright hostility toward young people who recently saw their friends murdered, I think should check into a better filtration system for whatevers been seeping into the swamp-water down there.

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    It is suppose to illustrate the (none / 0) (#76)
    by ragebot on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 01:07:20 AM EST
    legal concept of the difference between a public an private person.

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    Sorry (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by FlJoe on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 05:29:51 AM EST
    once the Covington kids went to a public political demonstration they waived their right to privacy.

    They made the choice to get on a bus and go to DC and march down public streets, to publicly advocate a message, in abstract no different than the Parkland kids.

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    Do you have a (none / 0) (#82)
    by ragebot on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 12:28:51 PM EST
    cite for that.

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    Bottom line, FlJoe has it right, although (5.00 / 5) (#87)
    by Peter G on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 03:04:55 PM EST
    I would explain it somewhat differently. WaPo was covering a public, newsworthy event that was occurring in a public place. The First Amendment gives them a lawsuit-proof right to report on that event, as long as they do not act with "actual malice," that is, publish information that they know to be false or with reckless disregard of whether it is true or false, even if that information would otherwise be considered defamatory or an invasion of privacy. This is the same First Amendment standard that applies to anyone, journalist or otherwise, when writing or speaking about a public figure, regardless of whether the Covington kids could be called special-purpose public figures. WaPo has admitted and convincingly shown that their early reports about the interaction between the Covington kids and the Native American and Black Israelite protesters was inaccurate and thus unfair, but unintentionally so, done consistent with breaking-news journalistic standards, and promptly corrected and clarified. That is just not defamation for which damages can be awarded.

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    Peter I don't believe their corrections were (none / 0) (#90)
    by McBain on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 06:05:51 PM EST
    prompt.  I'm also not convinced they acted without malice.  That being said, I don't think Sandmann's team can prove it. If I was on a jury I might have to vote in favor of the bad guys on this one depending on how the law is explained.  

    Bottom line, the media was awful but what else is new?

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    Do you mean "acted without malice" (none / 0) (#91)
    by Peter G on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 08:08:07 PM EST
    as defined by the Supreme Court in this context (which is the definition I summarized in my previous comment), as a technical legal concept, or are you using the word in its ordinary sense? Anyway, that you are not convinced that the Post acted "without malice" is meaningless. To satisfy the First Amendment, the Sandmanns have to prove by clear and convincing evidence that the Post did act with malice. From what I think I know of the case, there is simply no way.

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    Legal (none / 0) (#92)
    by McBain on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 08:52:41 PM EST
    I (none / 0) (#83)
    by FlJoe on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 01:13:13 PM EST
    believe those are undisputed facts, I will leave it up to you to prove otherwise.

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    The March For Life (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 01:45:56 PM EST
    is why they went to Washington.

    People parade in public because they want to make their voice and presence known.

    For what it's worth, I'm sorry the kid got embroiled in this. The Left should call off the dogs, and that dog on Fox and her talk radio orc and goblin allies who were doxxing David Hogg should have been brought to heel.

    Btw, why isn't some Lin Wood helping David Hogg sue the sh*t out of Fox News?

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    Hogg (1.00 / 3) (#89)
    by ragebot on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 05:41:43 PM EST
    has gone on TV multiple times to try and advance his position; something Sandman has never done.

    Sandman was simply standing on the sidewalk waiting for a buss when Chief Fixes Refrigerators walked up to him and started banging a drum in his face.  The fact that Sandman earlier was in a march had noting to do with why WaPo reported on him.

    As for Lin Wood, he is not really that political; I doubt he would take a case he did not thing he could win.

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    "Chief Fixes Refrigerators"? (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 04:20:27 AM EST
    His name is Nathan Phillips. Mocking the name of a Native American tribal elder is both racist and uncalled for.

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    And what's wrong with (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 10:54:19 AM EST
    Fixes refrigerators?

    Seriously

    One one the wisest people I know fixes refrigerators

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    Welp, there are recordings that he made (none / 0) (#112)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:00:49 PM EST
    of himself over the past couple decades, apparently in an attempt to strengthen his public image and thereby his activism, in which he said that his discharge papers show that he was "in country."

    And that when he returned "a white hippy chick spit on him and called him a baby killer." And that he, (chuckling now) "Beat up the hippy chick's boyfriend." And that (chuckling again) "I feel bad about that. I really do."

    Numerous chances over the past couple decades of his activism and news reports on him that unquestioningly presented the false image he created of himself ('cuz who would lie about that kind of thing?!) yet he never took the opportunity to set the record straight.

    So, a proven liar. Straight-up lying about his military career. Stolen honor. Etc.

    And, just like the other recent infamous hoaxer, Jussie Smollett, part of his lies include a second fable that purports to show his manliness; that he dang sure ain't afraid to give his oppressors the a$$-kicking they rightly deserve.

    Mocking very much called for, imo.

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    Stealing Valor (none / 0) (#147)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 01:11:13 PM EST
    may no longer be a crime; but I can still mock those who do it.

    When someone claims on youtube that they were a VietNam vet and that they were spit on when the returned when the truth is they were in Omaha maintaining cooling systems, when he was not AWOL, they deserve all the mocking I can muster.  I was in country and am 100% service connected due to injuries I sustained there.

    Phillips is a liar who is trying to inflate his image and has been dissed by real NAs who did serve in country.

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    WARRIOR (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 13, 2019 at 10:57:49 AM EST
    STARZ has a new series, just watched episode 2, I'm sure it streams.  It's an odd thing.  Part Chinese Kung Fu part allegory for the current state of immigration for cheap labor in our country right now.

    Some of the slurs screamed at the Chinese workers are ripped right from the headlines.

    If you are into such things it seems worth the time.  It well done, well cast and prett well written.  The criticisms I've seen is that it's to complicated with too many characters.  So not good for short attention span theater.

    San Francisco-set drama 'Warrior' - inspired by Bruce Lee - to debut on Cinemax in April



    Oops (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Apr 14, 2019 at 09:00:20 AM EST
    CINEMAX not STARZ

    Some of the same people who did BANSHEE

    which is totally worth a binge if you have not seen it.

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    Florida man... (none / 0) (#93)
    by desertswine on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 12:35:43 AM EST
    Cassowary kills Florida man.

    Another in the "infinite ways to die" series.


    Cassowaries are dangerous birds. (none / 0) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 04:29:11 AM EST
    The guy who was killed apparently bred and raised them for sale, probably to wealthy eccentrics. Obviously, a 140-lb. cassowary does not make an ideal pet.

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    It's Florida (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 11:21:28 AM EST
    so this will probobly be labeled a false flag attack on the rights of responsible cassowary owners.

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    A false feather operation (none / 0) (#102)
    by Peter G on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 11:29:52 AM EST
    actually

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    The Cassowary... (none / 0) (#108)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 01:41:00 PM EST
    ... has a god given right to stand it's ground, which brings us to the new Florida saying:
    You mess with the Cassowary you get the Claw


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    The revenge (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 11:02:06 AM EST
    Of the walrus

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    So (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 11:00:36 AM EST
    After BLACKOUT BOWLING last night which was f'ing amazing BTW

    This morning I caught up on the DVR.  GoTs, OMG.

    so far pretty much following the leaks with the exception of the early reveal of Jon Snows true parentage.  But seriously, you should be watching KILLING EVE season 2.

    Fire in Pari's (none / 0) (#103)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 12:39:34 PM EST
    Notre Dame Cathedral.  May have started during renovation in the attic.

    The spire has collapsed at Norte Dame. (none / 0) (#106)
    by caseyOR on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 01:24:16 PM EST
    The ceiling has fallen in. Flames are pouring out the roof.

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    It looks to be (none / 0) (#107)
    by desertswine on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 01:27:14 PM EST
    catastrophic.

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    The spire (none / 0) (#109)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 01:45:04 PM EST
    fell into the cathedral.  Not much will survive.

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    French govt. says may not be able to save ND. (none / 0) (#111)
    by caseyOR on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 02:52:19 PM EST
    400 firefighters are battling the blaze at Notre Dame, but it looks like the cathedral will be lost.

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    Absolutely horrifying (none / 0) (#119)
    by Peter G on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 05:20:46 PM EST
    and heartbreaking.

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    Dumb@ss Donny (none / 0) (#110)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 02:09:56 PM EST
    is giving fire fighting advice. "Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!"


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    I saw at T-shirt saying (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:37:35 PM EST
    Trump: Redefining Stupid One Tweet at a Time. I thought it was fitting response to your post.

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    It looks like the (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 05:10:12 PM EST
    Paris pompiers have saved the structure, which will enable reconstruction/renovation, albeit at immense costs and a long period of time. Heavy drops of water would have weakened, if not crumbled, the stone structure.

     But, Trump's advice to the firefighters to act quickly was, no doubt, instructive to these professionals. However, moving around Paris at 8:00 pm (the heart of the City's rush hour), cross bridges to lle de la Cite, or from the east or back side through lle Saint-Louis, is not the same as moving around Paris in a presidential parade.

    Of course, this is typical Trump. He who fought NYC on sprinkler systems, and had none installed on the upper floors of Trump Tower. The tragic fire on the 50th floor of Trump Tower took the life of a resident and injured six firefighters.

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    They call the roof of the Notre Dame (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by fishcamp on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 06:56:24 AM EST
    the forest since it took 53 acres of oak trees to build it.

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    Thankfully, no one (none / 0) (#143)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 12:39:38 PM EST
    was killed. A fireman is reported to have been seriously injured, and hopefully, he will recover speedily.

    The fire department ordered priorities in accord with its protocol: save the people, save the art and treasures, and then, focus on the structure--what can be rebuilt and what cannot.
    \
    The 13th century Rose Windows have been saved along with the historic basics of the medieval organ.

    French billionaires have pledged funds to rebuild/restore the Cathedral (which is owned by the French government).

     The families/corporations of Kering (parent of Gucci), LVMH (Bernard Arnault), and L'Oreal (Bettencourt-Meyer).

     Some criticism has come for such donations to a building rather than to so many causes and other needs of people, such as refugees.  I think both can and should be done, but these billionaires are not likely to do both, other than through taxes.

     Arnault, for example, is worth about $91 billion and the Bettencourt/Meyers heiress is one of the richest women in the world

    (Mme. Meyers was the estranged daughter of the late Liliane Bettencourt, who took her lonely and neglected mother to Court in a sensational case that accused her mother of senility and that she was lavishing gifts and money on her gay male friend.)

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    But CNN quoted his more "presidential" (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 12:55:59 PM EST
    tweet.

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    In my one trip tp Paris (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:32:39 PM EST
    I spent a day in the Louvre and a day at Norte Dame.  On acid.  Both days.  Changed my life.  Both days.

    Very very sad.

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    Yes, it is very sad. (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by KeysDan on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 05:32:12 PM EST
    Having spent much time in Paris, a visit just three weeks ago,and living in several places nearby, including an apartment at l rue Dante, photos of the building are all over TV today, the tragedy hits the heart.  As some consolation, no casualties reported yet.

     We had a friend who was "archpriest" of Notre Dame (a priest who was curator of the Cathedral) who took us all over the "secret" places, including a site on the roof from which we observed the Bastille Day fireworks celebration.  An indelibly etched memory.

    I think of the artisans and artists who worked, sans power tools, for 200 years, to be destroyed in a few hours.  The revolution, wars and the drip of acid rain were no match for fire.

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    That tour would have been amazing (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 06:16:15 PM EST
    I will never forget walking into it for the first time.  It was a very warm spring day.  We had been buzzing all over the city.  We had just got one off one of those boat tours on the river.  Which sounds like a touristy thing to do but it was absolutely unforgettable.  All the most beautiful things are on the river.

    Anyway after all that buzzing and hustle and bustle to walk into to cool vastness and beams of light.

    It will be forever etched in my brain.

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    Come to think of it (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 07:36:09 PM EST
    This is probably very close to the anniversary of that event.  We arrived in Paris on April 10.  I remember because that's my sisters birthday.  

    That was a few days later.

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    CSN (none / 0) (#117)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 03:59:42 PM EST
    Cathedral, different cathedral, but same state of mind.

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    I had three older 80-year-plus relatives ... (none / 0) (#132)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 06:15:44 AM EST
    ... share with me yesterday their opinion that Muslims were behind the devastating blaze at Notre Dame Cathedral. Gee, I wonder where they heard that?

    Thank you, Rupert Murdoch.

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    College Admissions Cheating Scandal (none / 0) (#105)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 12:57:18 PM EST
    Who cares, really, I think its rather funny that people think this outrageous or that it's not been happening since higher education was invented.  I think it just really bothers a lot of privileged folks who just realized they aren't as privileged as they would like to be.

    My take, even the rich and privileged are not treated equally, some folks paid $25k and others paid $400k.  The ones on the low end paid to raise SAT scores, which seems like the better option in that more doors open with better scores and of course a lot of people can afford $25k to give their kids a better education than they earned.

    I would be so mad if my parents got caught trying to bribe me into school, I wonder how many of the kids were ware and how many are living in shame and had no idea.  For $400k they had better at least have tried get me into an Ivy League school, something not jus tout of reach, but virtually impossible to get into.  USC is a fine school, just not $400k bribe worthy IMO.  

    The parents must feel really dumb when they realized others just kicked down $25k to get better SAT scores.  But I would imagine in the world of bribing educators, you kind of take what you can get ?
    -----------------

    I don't think it's right that they are going to add conspiracy to launder money for the parents that didn't please guilty.  I also think everyone should do a little jail time.  While we know money equates to different rules, when they do get busted they need to make examples.

    The sight (none / 0) (#122)
    by NoSides on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 07:19:35 PM EST
    of Julian Assange being dragged out of the Embassy by the British cops was a horrific sight. A journalist whose publications exposed the war crimes being committed by the US in Irag and Afghanistan. And the silence from mainstream media is deafening. We hear about assaults on the press - and press freedom - in places like Saudi Arabia. We hear protests when Trump calls out the press on what he calls "fake news". But here is a man who put his life on the line to publish information that the mainstream media, and even the alternative media, would not or could not. And, of course, he published information on the domestic front about corruption at the DNC. And for that, he is shunned, amazingly, by people purportedly on the "left". Freedom of the press stops when one's self-interest is threatened. The New York Times is not only silent about what I consider to be the persecution of Assange, but they are even antagonistic. My only hope is that he might get the medical attention he needs and that people who care about journalistic integrity and press freedom will rally to his defense.

    Pot Roast (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 07:32:04 PM EST
    Ingredients
    Salt and freshly ground black pepper
    One 3- to 5-pound chuck roast
    2 or 3 tablespoons olive oil
    2 whole onions, peeled and halved
    6 to 8 whole carrots, unpeeled, cut into 2-inch pieces
    1 cup red wine, optional
    3 cups beef broth
    2 or 3 sprigs fresh rosemary
    2 or 3 sprigs fresh thyme

    Directions

    Preheat the oven to 275 degrees F.
    Generously salt and pepper the chuck roast.
    Heat the olive oil in large pot or Dutch oven over medium-high heat. Add the halved onions to the pot, browning them on both sides. Remove the onions to a plate.
    Throw the carrots into the same very hot pot and toss them around a bit until slightly browned, about a minute or so. Reserve the carrots with the onions.
    If needed, add a bit more olive oil to the very hot pot. Place the meat in the pot and sear it for about a minute on all sides until it is nice and brown all over. Remove the roast to a plate.
    With the burner still on high, use either red wine or beef broth (about 1 cup) to deglaze the pot, scraping the bottom with a whisk. Place the roast back into the pot and add enough beef stock to cover the meat halfway.
    Add in the onions and the carrots, along with the fresh herbs.
    Put the lid on, then roast for 3 hours for a 3-pound roast. For a 4 to 5-pound roast, plan on 4 hours. The roast is ready when it's fall-apart tender.

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    Balogna sandwich (none / 0) (#171)
    by NoSides on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 06:46:57 PM EST
    Place a slice of cheese-covered fried bologna on a slice of bread topped with mayonnaise, then layer on a piece lettuce and tomato. Top with a slice of bread topped with mustard. Repeat with the remaining slices of fried bologna. Slice each sandwich in half and serve.

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    Cucumber sandwiches (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 07:33:54 PM EST
    ingredients

    1 cucumber, peeled and thinly sliced1
     (8 ounce) package cream cheese, softened
    1/4 cup mayonnaise
    1/4 teaspoon garlic powder
    1/4 teaspoon onion salt1
     dash Worcestershire sauce

    Place cucumber slices between 2 paper towels set in a colander. Allow liquid to drain, about 10 minutes.
    Mix cream cheese, mayonnaise, garlic powder, onion salt, and Worcestershire sauce in a bowl until smooth.
    Spread cream cheese mixture evenly on one side of each bread slice.
    Divide cucumber slices over half of the bread slices; sprinkle lemon pepper on cucumber.
    Stack the other half of the bread slices with spread sides down over the cucumber slices to make sandwiches.

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    what a (5.00 / 3) (#177)
    by leap on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 11:49:38 PM EST
    boring-a$$ cook. Sheesh. But not surprising.

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    Sh!t (5.00 / 5) (#182)
    by FlJoe on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 08:30:43 AM EST
    Sandwich:
    Roast one troll to crispy brown
    Slice and dice to pea sized chunks
    Spread on wonder bread.

    Package and sell at tRump rallies.

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    ha! perfect! (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by leap on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 09:41:32 AM EST
    n/t

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    Kourabiedes (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 12:15:50 AM EST
    1 lb. sweet, non-salted butter
    1/2 cup confectioner's sugar
    1/4 cup orange juice (you can use whiskey or brandy, but it's just as good with o.j.)
    1 Tbsp. vanilla extract (or 1 oz. mastiha, crushed fine, if you can get it- vanilla's fine)
    6-7 cups (one box, approx.) Cake Flour (must be cake flour, don't use regular flour, they'll get too dense)
    1 cup chopped, toasted almonds
    Extra confectioner's sugar

    Cream butter with a (heavy-duty) mixer until almost white (about 10-15 minutes). Add 1/2 cup confectioner's (powdered) sugar and continue beating. Combine vanilla (or mastiha) and o.j. or booze and add. Blend thoroughly. Fold in flour and blend well. You may not use the whole box- don't let the dough get too dry and crumbly, but you don't want it too wet, either- it has to hold its shape. Form the cookies into slender crescents or S-shapes; this is the trick, you don't want them too thick. Place on ungreased cookie sheet and bake at 350 degrees until lightly golden. Sift powdered sugar all over them, thickly, and enjoy!

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    Ham Sandwich (none / 0) (#169)
    by NoSides on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 06:32:11 PM EST
    Ingredients 2 tablespoons mayonnaise 2 tablespoons sour cream 1/8 teaspoon garlic powder 4 slices whole wheat bread 2 ounces smoked cheddar cheese, sliced 4 slices tomato 4 ounces thinly sliced deli ham 2 lettuce leaves Directions In a small bowl, combine the mayonnaise, sour cream and garlic powder. Spread over two slices of bread. Layer each with cheese, tomato, ham and lettuce. Top with remaining bread.

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    Magiritsa (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Zorba on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 11:45:49 PM EST
    Greek Easter Soup

    1 head of lamb
    1 lamb liver
    1 lamb tripe
    1 Lamb intestines
    5 tongues of lamb
    2 lamb hearts
    1 lb of beef sweetbreads
    1 large white onion chopped
    2 cups Scallions chopped
    1 cup Dill chopped
    1 cup Parsley chopped
    1 head of Boston leaf Lettuce shredded
    1 Cup olive oil
    1 Cup fytini (Greek butter, can be substituted with margarine or butter.)
    1 Cup fresh lemon juice
    3-4 Eggs
    1-1/2 Tbsp. fresh ground black pepper
    1 Tbsp. kosher sea salt
    3 chicken bouillon cubes msg free
    1 cup Uncle Ben's Rice
    1 cup of lemon juice for cleaning offal
    4 tablespoons of kosher sea salt for cleaning offal
    Water
    Method

    Clean all lamb parts. Intestines and tripe should be cleaned with a mixture of ½ cup of lemon juice and 2 tablespoons of kosher sea salt and 2 quarts of water.
    Intestines can be cleaned inside and out, using a wooden chopstick to turn the intestines inside out to thoroughly wash with the lemon, water and salt mixture.
    Let the intestines soak in a second fresh mixture of lemon juice, salt and water for 20-30 minutes until whitened.
    In a medium to large pot cover the tripe and intestines with water, add one teaspoon salt and bring to a boil for 2-3 minutes.
    In a separate pot place head, liver and tongues, and sweetbreads, cover with water, add a teaspoon of salt, and bring to a boil for 2-3 minutes.
    Drain both pots, discarding the water and set everything aside.
    Clean the tripe, intestines, head, tongue, and sweetbreads by rinsing well.
    Return the tripe and intestines to the cleaned pot and cover with fresh water, add 2 teaspoons of sea salt and return to a low boil.
    Return the head, tongues, liver, and sweetbreads to the cleaned pot and cover with fresh water, add 2 teaspoons of sea salt, and bring to a low boil.
    Boil both pots for 1-1/2 hours periodically skimming off any foam or impurities.
    Strain the both pots, reserving the broth for later, set aside all the offal to cool.
    When cooled sufficiently, Chop all the offal into 1/8 inch small pieces.
    Starting the soup

    Heat 1 cup of olive oil and 1 cup of fytini in a large 10-12 Quart pot on medium to high heat for 3-4 minutes.
    Add the onions and scallions and saute for 5-7 minutes until the onions turn clear.
    Add the chopped offal, pepper, and continue saute with onion and oil for about 8-10 minutes.
    Add 4 quarts of the broth from the offal, the chopped herbs, and cover, turn heat to medium and cook covered for 3 hours. Add more broth or water as needed to maintain volume.
    Add rice, stir gently, and cook covered, an additional 30 minutes
    Strain out two cups of the broth.
    In a blender blend the eggs for one minute.
    With the blender running slowly add the lemon juice. Blend for one additional minute.
    Slowly add the hot strained broth to the running blender to create a smooth mixture.
    Stir the blended broth, egg, and lemon back into the soup and bring back to a boil for 1 inute, then remove from heat.
    Season to salt and fresh ground black pepper to taste and Serve the soup garnished with fresh chopped parsley.


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    Assange is a publisher, of a sort, but he is not (none / 0) (#128)
    by Peter G on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 09:42:12 PM EST
    and never has been a journalist. (His willy-nilly disclosure of hundreds of thousand of diplomatic cables proves that.) And he is not charged with any act of reporting or publishing. (Nor did he disclose any actual "corruption at the DNC.") He did provide a forum for Manning to disclose U.S. war crimes, for which he is entitled to great credit (though not as much credit as she is). For that, the Left has properly praised him and vocally/vigorously supported her.  

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    OK. (none / 0) (#170)
    by NoSides on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 06:44:43 PM EST
    He's a publisher. He did in fact print information that disclosed corruption in the DNC. These disclosures caused the forced resignation of Debbie Wasserman Shultz. The information he printed which detailed war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. The left, far from crediting him for it, are treating him with contempt - because - I surmise - they identify with the Democratic Party more than progressive policies - and are scapegoating Assange for Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016. You should see some of the bile people contributing to this site, presumably people on the "left", have expressed about Julian Assange. I'm surprised that it has been allowed to be printed because some of it is so vulgar that it violates the guidelines for posting here.

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    "The Left" is quite (none / 0) (#189)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:17:31 PM EST
    the homogeneous mob you make it out to be.

    Chomsky, The Nation, and Counterpunch have a been strongly condemnatory a
    of the way Assange has been dealt with and it's implications for the free flow and exchange of information and for a democratically informed citizenry.

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    Rachel's interview with Mayor Pete (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 09:50:37 PM EST
    Was pretty remarkable.  It was a very good interview naturally but it got sort of surreal to watch an prominent openly gay tv anchor asking an openly gay presidential candidate about their experience of coming out.

    It was great because she asked questions I might ask if I was having drinks with him.  Like me Rachel came out early and like me being in the closet is simply not something I would every do.  It never actually occurred to me.  I was never conflicted about it either personally or over others perceptions of me.  I just wasn't.  So it's hard for me to understand how someone could live that way.

    It was a fascinating thing that probably only a gay journalist could do.

    The interview should be up by now.

    He did not come out (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 15, 2019 at 09:52:31 PM EST
    Until his 30s and was already a mayor.

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    ... make it easy for gay people. And in a number of states, there are still no real safeguards against LGBT-targeted discrimination. So I can see why people stay in the closet. I think things are certainly a lot better today for the LGBT community than they were 40 years ago, when California's Prop. 6 (the "Briggs Initiative") would've prohibited gay men and lesbians from teaching in our public schools had it passed. But there's still no small amount of resentment from a lot of folks today who'd jump at the opportunity to turn back they clock, if they could.

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    Trust me (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 08:54:34 AM EST
    I'm aware of the downside.  As they agreed coming out is hard but living a lie is harder if that sort of thing bothers you.

    I guess my point was it would seem conversations like that one will make it easier going forward.

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    One thing she did ask (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 09:37:10 AM EST
    Is how his family reacted.  It's one I would have asked.  I wondered if that was maybe agreed in advance.

    Although I am not legendary for tact it doesn't seem more personal than some of her other questions.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 09:37:52 AM EST
    She did NOT ask

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    I wouldn't know. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 04:37:13 PM EST
    All I remember is that those who openly and publicly identified as LGBT before the laws recently changed tended to be subjected to all sorts of ridicule and abuse -- and worse.

    I can't say as I ever participated in the abuse of LGBT kids personally when I was in school, but I certainly stood by and allowed it to happen right in front of me, and I either said nothing or perhaps even laughed at it occasionally, just to show that I was one of the boys. And for that, I'm now very ashamed.

    I look back at it now, from the perspective of time and history, and I can only admire the extraordinary bravery it must've taken for individuals such as you to come out. There is no personal experience that's even remotely comparable for any of us in the heterosexual community. Those straight people who'd claim otherwise are merely deluding themselves.

    The only thing we can do henceforth is ensure that future times are much more enlightened and conditions much more amenable to coming out, so that the forthcoming generations of LGBT youth won't have to face that sort of blatant discrimination with which you had to deal back in the day.

    Aloha.

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    Weeeeeellll, thanks but, coupla things (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 04:54:21 PM EST
    I happen to think coming out in 1970, as I did, was not as bad as you make it sound.  For a couple of reasons.   For one, it was the Age of Aquarius.  No body really cared.  Every one wanted to be cool.  Being cool often meant having at least one black friend and one gay friend.  

    Also it was pre AIDS.  10 years later things got much more complicated than the days when anything you caught was curable with a shot.

    And then there is the truth of that time that being NOT normal was pretty much the ultimate goal.  When I say I never even considered a closeted life I mean that.  Not simply because it's not how I would ever live but it made me to cool for school.  Overnight.  

    Gay pride was not a slogan for me or any of my friends at the time.  We were in your face in ways you probably would not believe.

    Also, I was in a college town.  From there I moved to large cities and stayed there.  If I had stayed here my orientation and it's common knowledge might not have been very different but my quality of life might have been.

    I am not condemning struggling with your sexuality.  My last long term relationship, 8 years, was with a man who came out in his 30 when he was married and had two kids.

    I get it.

    As far as Pete, the only reasons I can sympathize with is his wish to be military.  No question until the new century that was necessary.
    Other than that IMO by that time it was time to grow up and grow a pair.

    But I get it.

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    She was 22 and had met and fallen in love with another young woman in college, and my wife and I were the first people in the family she told. And to be honest, I was rather flattered that she saw us as sympathetic and trustworthy in that regard. She was nevertheless terribly worried about what my brother and his wife would say, and how they would react when she came out to them.

    I first reassured her that her father and mother (who are divorced) were hardly unenlightened people. I then convinced her that because I was in Hawaii and she was in L.A., if she was seeking moral support, to go talk to her grandmother (my mother) about it because she was far more wise in the ways in the world than she realized.

    Grandma then accompanied my niece to Glendora when she came out to Mom and Dad. To her infinite relief, there was no drama, only acceptance and love. Not surprisingly, a big source of emotional support for her that evening came from her father's girlfriend, who has a gay brother. She hosted everyone for dinner later that week, which gave my niece the opportunity to introduce the family to her girlfriend.

    I've since met her, too. They recently moved to San Francisco, after her girlfriend got accepted into a graduate nursing program at UCSF starting this summer. They appear to be very happy together, and San Francisco will be a good community for them. We'll be visiting them when we're in the Bay Area the second week of June.

    Aloha.

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    Not uncommon (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 05:50:43 PM EST
    To work your way up to the parents by starting with a friendly aunt or uncle.

    Good for you that she trusted you.

    The parents are always the worst.  

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    Here's (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 10:16:40 AM EST
    Mayor Pete (none / 0) (#148)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 01:11:51 PM EST
    responded to Rachel's question with the dignity and poise that he seems to do to everything asked of him. And, the response is now part of his record, which, as you say, may assist him in moving forward.

    However, I have reservations. As Rachel acknowledged she debated as to whether or not to ask Mayor Pete about his late coming out, but decided it was appropriate.  I would have come down on the other side of her deliberations.  

    Mayor Pete has included his sexual orientation at every turn of his candidacy, presenting his husband to the crowds with expressions of public affection. I think the issue of the timing of his coming out seems extraneous.  Perhaps, a question of more interest to gay people than straight people. Indeed, as Lawrence indicated, he would not have thought to ask the question.

    In an otherwise superb interview, Rachel came across to me as being judgmental and unable to understand how anyone could remain closeted so long. And, worse, gave the impression that he might have come out before he was found out.

    Pete, to his credit, was candid and while acknowledging his feelings as early as the age 15, struggled with oppressive norms and internalized them. He now is free to be just "one person."  Both Rachel and Pete stated that coming out was individualized, but the lingering point was about him being calculating. True enough, but what politician or wannabe politician is not calculating, be it career paths, finding the right spouse, and the like.  

    Apparently, this is seen as being necessary to understanding more about him, but it is something that I could live without.  Just as i do not need to know why Bernie is divorced from his first wife--did he leave the toilet seat down too often?  Or other things to know about him to help define him? I know enough.  

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    I disagree (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 01:25:28 PM EST
    here's a good piece on CNN on why it's important and why it matters

    The humanity there jumps out at you. This is a hugely accomplished person -- Rhodes scholar, military veteran, elected mayor of his hometown at 29 years old -- who wished for years that he could be something other than what he knew he was. Someone who "needed to not be" gay. Someone who, at one point in his life, would have gladly taken a pill to make him not gay -- or even cut out his "gayness" if he could.

    That's stunning stuff. And while Buttigieg's struggle may be familiar to many gay people, it likely will be the first time many straight people have heard someone's coming-out story presented in such raw and personal terms.

    There's also a universality in the internal struggle Buttigieg is describing. You don't have to be gay to understand what it's like to deny parts of yourself, to wish you were something different than you are. To pray for an easy way to dissolve all of your internal turmoil. To be wiling to do almost anything to get it to go away. The terms in which Buttigieg is talking about grappling with his homosexuality also describe, for many of us, the human condition: A lifelong struggle to accept who we are, with all the positives and negatives that come with it.



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    I would agree, with one big caveat ... (none / 0) (#164)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 05:02:32 PM EST
    CNN: "There's also a universality in the internal struggle Buttigieg is describing. You don't have to be gay to understand what it's like to deny parts of yourself, to wish you were something different than you are. To pray for an easy way to dissolve all of your internal turmoil. To be willing to do almost anything to get it to go away. The terms in which Buttigieg is talking about grappling with his homosexuality also describe, for many of us, the human condition: A lifelong struggle to accept who we are, with all the positives and negatives that come with it."

    ... that I mentioned above in an earlier comment. There is no personal experience that's even remotely comparable to coming out as LGBT for any of us in the heterosexual community. Those straight people who'd claim otherwise are merely deluding themselves.

    I mean, I used to wish at various times when I was a teenager, almost to the point of personal neurosis, that: (a) I had brown hair instead of blond; (b) I was taller than I was; (c) I was a better baseball pitcher than I was a first baseman and outfielder; and (d) I was more attractive to this girl I crushed on, who otherwise barely gave me the time of day.

    For me to compare any of those youthful moments of outsized angst to one's public admission and acceptance of his or her own homosexuality, is really to trivialize the latter experience to near-mockery.

    My fleeting teenaged concerns were almost entirely transient and superficial, whereas your sexual orientation is a permanent and essential part of your own core essence of being. I wasn't going to get beaten up or even killed because I was a blond who couldn't throw an 90 mph fastball, whereas you almost certainly could have been for merely being no more than who you really are.

    Aloha.

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    Which I think is the exact point (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 05:09:26 PM EST
    I can't say I have ever heard a more concise and moving account, that anyone could understand, of that painful experience

    Pete IMO knocked it right out if the park.  He was clearly genuinely uncomfortable and he more than rise to the occasion.  People watching might have been briefly made uncomfortable but at the end they had a better understanding

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    When I first heard Pet Buttigieg a few months ago, he impressed me in ways that the other candidates have not. He really struck me as a level-headed person, someone who clearly has his head screwed on straight (so to speak- LOL!), and who'd be likely to keep it while those around him were losing theirs. And that's exactly the sort of person you'd want in charge of our military and our nuclear codes.

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    I would add (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 01:32:49 PM EST
    It's an important question for those of us who accepted who we were and lived with the consequences leaving many of us with little patients with our closeted brothers and sisters

    Particularly when that choice may be seen as a political one.

    His answer as you say was close to perfect.  He might have been "taken aback" but he should, and probably does, thank her.

    IMO

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    Greta Thunberg (none / 0) (#173)
    by NoSides on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 08:33:47 PM EST
    addresses members of the European Parliament. A very brilliant and moving presentation.

    Tzatziki Sauce (5.00 / 4) (#181)
    by Zorba on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 08:14:52 AM EST
    1 large cucumber
    3 cloves garlic (or more, to taste)
    2 cups Greek whole milk yogurt
    2 fronds of fresh dill, finely chopped
    1 teaspoon fresh mint, finely chopped
    Salt
    Ground black pepper
    Ground white pepper
    Ground cayenne pepper
    2 T. olive oil
    2 T. fresh lemon juice
    1/3 c. sour cream
    1/3 c. mayonnaise
    Peel and seed the cucumber (leave a few strips of skin on, for color). Chop into very small pieces (use a food processor). Place into colander and allow to drain 15-30 minutes, then squeeze out any excess water. Crush garlic into a pulp. Mix together cucumber, garlic, yogurt, dill, mint, oil, lemon juice, sour cream, and mayo. Add salt and a dash of black, white, and red peppers, to taste.

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    The link to Greta Thunberg's (none / 0) (#174)
    by NoSides on Tue Apr 16, 2019 at 08:38:35 PM EST
    talk referenced above to the European Parliament did not print. To watch it, go to Youtube and search this title: Greta Thunberg warns: "Time to panic! Why 3 Brexit summits? Time for "Notre Dame cathedral thinking"

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    I just realized the anniversary (none / 0) (#192)
    by jondee on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:37:15 PM EST
    of the assassination of Abraham Lincoln was a couple of days ago.

    April is the cruelest month.

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    Barr is doing a news conference (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:26:24 PM EST
    9:30 tomorrow.  Which seems last minute.  

    Trump announces this in a radio show just now.

    They say it sounds like there is something they are trying to get out in front of.

    Maybe be better than I thought.

    His summary (none / 0) (#193)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:42:24 PM EST
    is probably going to be laughed at after people read the report.

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    Or (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:48:03 PM EST
    He could be planning to announce an investigation into the investigation.  The consensus seems to be there is no logical reason for him to be taking questions because the thing may not have even been released.  Or if so only minutes before.

    He said he would not take more questions until it was released but you would think he would allow time to look at it.

    Only reason could be pre spin or worse.

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    Well, even (none / 0) (#199)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 05:11:10 PM EST
    Chuck Todd is not buying this BS. You know it smells when he didn't fall for it.

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    Do you (none / 0) (#195)
    by KeysDan on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 03:52:05 PM EST
    think the media will correctly refer to it as "The Barr Report"---based loosely on the Report of the Special Counsel?

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    They are not even trying to fake it anymore (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 04:51:37 PM EST
    I remember the time (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by KeysDan on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 05:13:06 PM EST
    when it was said that if Mueller is fired, the people will be on the streets.  Hopefully, the resistance has moved,effectively, to the halls of Congress. I am optimistic on that front, knowing that Trump will do everything and anything to postpone the inevitable. As with the Stormy and Karen payoffs, time enough to get through the next election.

    Barr, as you and I have long said, is just a political hack, with a history of such bona fides. Yet, so many trusted him to be a straight-shooter. Did they forget that he is a Republican.

    As an MSNBC viewer I have become familiar with Congressman Eric Swalwell. When he was interviewed by Rachel about his presidential run he pledged to include Republicans in his cabinet.  While there is not much to worry about in terms of him getting to make cabinet appointments, what is wrong with him?  When a Democrat wins the WH, we need to put the final nail in the coffin of that corpse, not resuscitate it.

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    Mueller spokesperson (none / 0) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 05:45:58 PM EST
    Has made a rare public statement about Barr's dog and pony show saying Mueller or any member of his team will NOT be there.

    Not only interesting he won't but interesting he had the spokesperson say he won't

    No one seems to think he would have spoken for Mueller without direction.

    Also (none / 0) (#203)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 17, 2019 at 05:49:56 PM EST
    WE now know we will not have, and congress will not have, the report until afternoon.