Sunday Superbowl and Open Thread

I love Superbowl Sunday because I get a holiday from the whole world. Almost everyone but me watches it. I don't even know who is playing.

But for those of you who watch and feast, here's a place to talk about it -- and anything else you want to. All topics welcome.

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    moi aussi (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by leap on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 04:26:54 PM EST
    It's wonderful time to go out walking on the local trails, because there are so few people. Lovely. It's like driving somewhere on Thanksgiving or Christmas day. Practically no one else on the roads.

    So odd (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 07:27:19 PM EST
    Couple of days ago it was so cold now it's like summer.   I have all the doors and windows open.

    We had a swing of more than seventy degrees (none / 0) (#14)
    by Towanda on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 08:02:17 PM EST
    from almost 30 below zero to, now, 40-plus temperatures.

    So, with the meltoff of snow, we now are dealing with dangerous fog, as bad as we have seen it along the Great Lakes.

    But we will back to below freezing tomorrow and below zero in a few days -- typical of the brevity of the annual January thaw, which was delayed this year by the @#$&*$#@!!! polar vortex.


    Watched a couple war vet movies/shows (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by McBain on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 08:37:07 PM EST
    on Amazon Prime.  Leave No Trace from the director of Winter's Bone was one of the better small movies I've seen in a while.  Good acting from Ben Foster.

    Homecoming with Julia Roberts and Bobby Cannavale is a strange but interesting show.  It's a drama but most of the episodes are only around 30 minutes. What I find most interesting is the use of music from soundtracks of films from the 70s and 80s....

    Brian De Palma movies (Dressed to Kill shower scene), John Carpenter movies (The Thing, The Fog).  There's even some music from one of my favorite film composers, Vangelis .  

    Vangelis (none / 0) (#58)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:00:15 PM EST
    Is a Greek guy.  Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou.  His professional name Vangelis is taken from his first name.
    I really like his music, too. Not because he's Greek, but because he composes great music.

    I'm a huge fan, have most of his albums (none / 0) (#64)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 01:04:33 PM EST
    but I've never known for sure if he pronounces his pro name...
    Van-gelis with a hard "g" like "gate"
    Van-jelis soft "g" like a "jellow"  

    Do you know which?  My Alexa says Von-gelis hard "g"


    It's pretty much (none / 0) (#81)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 05:23:25 PM EST
    A hard g, not a "j."  Never a "j."
    Although, it's somewhat of a softer "hard g" than in English- a little breathiness in the back of your mouth as you say it.
    I hope that makes sense.
    (Gyros is gheeros, by the way, not j-eye-ros.)

    I think I get it (none / 0) (#87)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:23:04 PM EST
    Van-gelis with a medium-hard "g" and maybe an emphasis on "Van"?

    One of his best works was his soundtrack to 1492: Conquest of Paradise, a Ridley Scott movie that pretty much bombed but I think the score was epic.

    I also like some of his experimental jazz-electro-fusion stuff from Albedo 0.39


    Stress is on (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 08:56:07 AM EST
    The second syllable in Vangelis.

    That particular score is my favorite. His score for "Chariots of Fire" is also very good, so long as you didn't see the painfully tedious movie for which it was composed, because the film's subject matter and visuals make his compositions sound way overblown and inappropriate to the occasion. Not surprisingly, the title song subsequently became the subject of numerous parodies.

    I'd sooner have a root canal for its own sake, than see that film ever again.


    I didn't think COF was that great either (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by McBain on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 09:49:55 AM EST
    I guess the score was OK, won an Oscar, but it's nowhere near his best work in my opinion.  

    The Blade Runner score is excellent but they messed up the release of the soundtrack.  There are several different versions (just like the film).  I prefer the bootleg version that came out in the early 90s.


    BAD LIP READING (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 11:47:58 PM EST
    NFL 2019

    Humans should not visit the labyrinth.

    Super Bowl Commercial (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 09:49:16 AM EST
    The WaPo aired its first commercial at a SB (at the final two minute mark, 4th qtr) narrated by Tom Hanks ( who played in "Post").  The commercial portrayed major news events in history and described journalists as eyewitnesses and gatherers of facts, ending in "Democracy Dies in Darkness".

    The commercial has drawn fire from the right wingers, including the journalism critic, Don jr.

    Thanks for the (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 10:25:50 AM EST
    heads up on that. I watched the ad and thought it was very well done. Of course, the trumpflakes are upset. They are always upset.

    Lot's of upset. (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:03:38 AM EST
    Runs the gamut.  Sticking in their craw is the photo of the OK City bombing that they infer over-shadowed 9/11, and suggests that right wing extremism is bigger than Islamic extremism.  And, another is that Khashoggi was not really a journalist anyhow.

    Or, too much money spent on that expensive commercial--and that's a point, you can buy a ton of really sharp bone saws for that kind of money.


    How about the short Danish film from 1982 (none / 0) (#47)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 10:54:06 AM EST
    of Andy Warhol eating a Burger King hamburger?

    Andy said.. (none / 0) (#80)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 05:07:39 PM EST
    Art is what you can get away with.

    I have one of these hanging (none / 0) (#82)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 05:36:26 PM EST
    in the reception area of my office.

    I had a painting by a gorilla (none / 0) (#90)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:47:50 PM EST
    named Huerfanita in my office.  It was very abstract, but colorful.  It was just swaths of color, really.  

    Marshal (none / 0) (#85)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:12:28 PM EST
    It sounds very much like (none / 0) (#89)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:30:32 PM EST
    something Marcel Duchamp and any number of artists in the early 20th century Dada movement would've said.

    Julie Adams died (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:22:56 PM EST
    For no particular reason (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 11:52:21 AM EST
    So not looking forward to the SOTU speech, (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 12:18:25 PM EST
    but I'll watch as much as I can stand.  Thankfully the Miami Heat are on tonight as well.  We can't let this happen again!!

    Not watching T---p (none / 0) (#114)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 08:13:25 PM EST
    Went to see Stan and Ollie.  It's a minor masterpiece.  John C. Reilly and Steve Coogan play an amazing Laurel and Hardy. But equally as good are the performers who play their wives;  Shirley Henderson and Nina Arianda.

    Maria Butina's boyfriend Paul Erickson, ... (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 08:37:54 PM EST
    ... who's a longtime Republican operative with extensive ties to the NRA, has been indicted in South Dakota federal court on 11 charges of wire fraud and money laundering. While Ms. Butina has agreed to cooperate with federal investigators as they scrutinize Erickson, at first glance these charges don't appear to have anything to do with either the NR or the Russians, and look like they're focused on an ongoing grift operation.

    Specifically, the charges were brought by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of South Dakota, which claims that over an 18-year period, Erickson allegedly defrauded investors through a company called Investing with Dignity which claimed, among other things, to be developing of a wheelchair that allowed people to go to the bathroom without being lifted out of the wheelchair.


    One of the greatest.. (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by desertswine on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 03:04:35 PM EST
    "A man learns from his stupidities." --  Frank Robinson

    The only player to win the MVP in both leagues, and the first African-American major league baseball manager.

    He hit 586 home runs (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by McBain on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 04:25:41 PM EST
    back when that really meant something.

    ... that his play on the field was once described by the late L.A. Times sports columnist Jim Murray as "James Bond crashing through a skylight with his gun already drawn."

    3 to 3 (1.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 08:12:56 PM EST
    At the start of the fourth quarter.

    I only know (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 04:31:46 PM EST
    From the news, Tom Brady is playing and I want him to lose.

    Some fans are freaked out. (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:46:21 PM EST
    Tom Brady and the billionaire owner of the Patriots, Robert Kraft, sealed their win with a kiss on the lips. (I recommend that those fans avoid travel through southern Italy).  That's an educational moment for the football culture and a point for Tom (and Mr. Kraft).

    Nobody likes a handsome (none / 0) (#3)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 05:20:42 PM EST
    super rich guy with a gorgeous rich wife. It's unnatural.

    I actually didn't know (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 05:43:47 PM EST
    What he looked like or that he was married until I read that.

    If we want alternatives I've been watching the remake of SUSPIRA on PPV.  So good.  The director says it should not be thought of as a remake but a cover.  I'm good with that.  It's not just better than the original it's a whole other thing.

    Tilda Swinton is a force of nature.  Playing multiple roles one of which is the best thing since Meryl played an ancient rabbi in Angels.

    It's an hour longer than the original and I'm going to watch it again.  Cause it's that kind of movie.


    Suspiria (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 05:54:12 PM EST
    That would be

    Tiny spoiler (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 08:13:49 PM EST
    Not really but I honestly think you could watch the whole thing and not realize this.  The film credit is a pseudonym

    Bing search

    tilda swinton in suspiria

    She is even more unrecognizable in the third role.


    She even has a full frontal nude scene (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 08:16:01 PM EST
    As both alternate characters

    Is just reading a brief thumbnail (none / 0) (#6)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 06:18:39 PM EST
    synopsis. Sounds very intense.

    The ethereal-looking Tilda definately has some acting chops, no question about that.

    Very intense (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 06:29:54 PM EST
    A couple of scenes, wow

    I was half way through before I recognized Tilda in one of her roles.


    I don't care about the game very much (none / 0) (#8)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 06:44:46 PM EST
    Although it sure wouldn't hurt my feelings if the Patriots lose because I don't like Bellichik (sp?) or Brady.

    We're having salad (sort of as a pass at being healthy), Buffalo wings, home-made blue cheese dip, hot crab dip, hot artichoke dip, fries, and aioli for the fries.

    Mercy (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 07:07:28 PM EST
    You are going for everything unhealthy except salad. But hey, it's super bowl and that's what you're supposed to do. I fixed nothing. My husband had to go out and get junk because after all it is super bowl.

    This is (none / 0) (#10)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 07:20:02 PM EST
    Our once a year unhealthy food indulgence.  ;-)

    Killing me softly with their song. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 07:26:46 PM EST
    So whose bright idea was it to book Maroon 5 for the halftime show? I don't have any crackers to go with this cheese.

    A lot of top entetainers (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Towanda on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 07:56:28 PM EST
    refused to do the Super Bowl halftime, in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick and his cause of fighting racial injustice.  It didn't help the NFL that both team owners, qb Brady and others are fans of Trump and his arttacks on Kaepernick.

    The great Gladys Knight got grief for.singing the anthem -- but, of course, she gave one of the top .renditions of it.

    And then, after the anthem, I turned it off. There is much better tv on tonight, which I will watch now.  In the interim, I read a book.


    Maybe the most boring (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 08:31:16 PM EST
    Super Bowl in the history of Super Bowls. At least so far.

    They could use a Kaepernick out there.

    The game (none / 0) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 09:53:37 PM EST
    picked up in the fourth quarter.  Exciting finale.

    Can't let that pass (none / 0) (#35)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:29:05 AM EST
    Goff is unquestionably the best young QB in the NFL and Brady is the GOAT QB.

    Kaepernick was at best a journeyman QB who benefited from one good year on a well stocked team.  While there may be some NFL teams who would benefit from his on field play (and have problems with the locker room distractions) the Pats and Rams would not and it is just silly to think otherwise.

    Just as an aside when the 'fins beat the 'skins to complete an undefeated season there was agreement that it was the best defensive Super Bowl ever.  My take is this Super Bowl surpassed it.  The Pats DBs dominated the game and the Rams interior DL came close to doing the same.


    Kaepernick (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 09:15:48 AM EST
    ...took his team to the Super Bowl and came within an uncalled penalty of winning it. He holds an NFL rushing record.

    Even a losing SB QB joins an elite fraternity of only about 40 in the history of the sport who took their teams to that game.


    The SF Defense (none / 0) (#50)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:01:50 AM EST
    got them to the super bowl.

    But he wasn't the same player (none / 0) (#54)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:37:00 AM EST
    his last season in the league.  He lost some muscle mass and never really improved his finesse passing accuracy. Also, from I heard from Bay Area media, he wasn't very popular with his teammates.

    You would take Goff (none / 0) (#36)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 07:30:31 AM EST
    over Mahomes?

    You trippin' homie.


    Both are great and (none / 0) (#49)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:00:56 AM EST
    Mahomes had the far better year.  But both are also very young.  Lots of talking heads are saying Mahomes will be better next year with an added year of experience.  Goff got somewhat bashed for his supposed failure to correctly read the Pats defense; but I am not sure it was more the Pats being very good than the Goff not being up to par.  For the record Brady praised Mahomes after the Pats beat the Chiefs; and did not really say much about the Goff.

    Bottom line I would like to edit my original comment to Goff is one of the best young QBs.


    Mahomes is a lot more mobile (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:24:21 AM EST
    and a better improviser under pressure. He would've been better in the situation Goff faced yesterday, which is also why I mentioned K who, if nothing else, was good at evading a pass rush and scrambling for a bunch of positive yards.

    Yesterday was the worst possible scenario for a straight dropback guy like Goff.


    I always considered (none / 0) (#59)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:01:12 PM EST
    Russell Wilson a far better QB than K and when the Pats played in Super Bowl XLIX they beat him.  What I still don't get is all the props K gets as a QB.  He was nothing special.  There have been plenty of Super Bowl QBs, both winners and losers, who were far better players.  Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl and no one considers him a great QB.

    If not for his politics K would be a no body.


    Nothing special (none / 0) (#70)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 02:37:09 PM EST
    aside from the fact that other than Michael Vick, he was maybe the only qb in history who was a consistent threat to run 50-60 yards after being flushed out of the pocket.

    You obviously have a bug up your butt about Kaepernick. Nobody says he was a 'great,' but a lot of teams would've loved to have him during that time when he was at his peak.


    Wilson better than Kaepernick (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 02:42:36 PM EST
    is a no-brainer. Wilson is better than most of the qbs in the NFL.

    I (none / 0) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:26:33 AM EST
    thought the Ram's play calling was atrocious, more or less running up the middle or deep passes, neither of which was working given the outstanding play of NE's front four. IMO they should have tried working the edges with sweeps and screens and more quick slant or quick outs to relieve the pressure on Goff.

    I also think they gave up on the run game too early (only 18 attempts), even though the were unsuccessful early the low scoring nature of the game would indicate just pounding the line might have paid more dividends than a bunch of in-completions and sacks.


    Was it (none / 0) (#62)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:11:18 PM EST
    bad coaching for the Rams or great coaching for the Pats.  The talking heads broadcasting the game kept saying the Pats defense was always well positioned for the plays the Rams called.  Several times they noted Goff went through all his progressions and every thing was defended.

    As Yogi use to say "Pitching always beats batting -- and vice-versa."

    I (none / 0) (#75)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 03:27:12 PM EST
    think the defenses on both sides were well coached, the Rams simply ran out of gas because their offense could rarely move the ball at all.

    The talking heads saw what I saw, the Pats weren't getting fooled by anything.  The Rams should have seen that and adjusted their game plan somehow, they never really did except abandoning the run game early which is exactly the wrong thing to do with the game turning into a grind it out defensive battle.


    I saw the Pats a few (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 03:59:02 PM EST
    times during the year and their D looked downright shoddy at times. Yesterday they looked like they knew what Rams were gonna do before the Rams did. It was boderline uncanny.

    Maybe they have a mole with access to the Rams playbook. Sorta, kinda kidding, but not completely.


    I (none / 0) (#78)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 04:26:04 PM EST
    know what you mean, they have been known to spy before. Still the Rams were so predictable I could have game planned for them.

    Gotta say while (none / 0) (#88)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:25:40 PM EST
    I despise the Pats them beating the rams by shockingly good coaching and great plays at critical times is nothing new.  Not like they have not done it many times before.

    The day the music died (none / 0) (#20)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 09:18:54 PM EST
    Sixty years ago today. Buddy Holly was 22, and he was not the youngest.

    He lived longer than (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by ragebot on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 07:10:37 PM EST
    Eddie Cochran.

    I called my congressman and he said quote "I'd like to help you son, but your to young to vote".


    Lin Wood releases video in support of Covington (none / 0) (#21)
    by McBain on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 09:39:35 PM EST
     Student Nick Sandmann.
    A mob rushed to judgment to wrongfully condemn, threaten & vilify Nick Sandmann based solely on an out-of-context video clip. It only takes 15 minutes to learn the truth. Here it is.

    Wood makes an interesting point here....

    Some say a 15-minute video is too long to go viral. Will we allow incomplete 30-second video clips to be basis for agenda-driven false accusations & threats against a 16-year old student? Please share the full truth about what was done to Nick Sandmann

    Among other things, There's some evidence in the video that Nathan Phillips (and some in the media) misrepresented his encounter with the Convington students and his military service.  

    Regime change again... (none / 0) (#23)
    by NoSides on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:01:03 PM EST
    Trump says that an invasion of Venezuela is an option.

    I think it would be a disaster. Yet another quagmire for us and death and destruction for the Venezuelans.

    What do you think?

    we've had a (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by leap on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:07:25 PM EST
    really mild winter so far, but it is forecast to go down into the teens this week. Guess the orchardists will like that, as the sub-freezing temps will kill some of the pests.

    Buffalo Chicken Dip (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:30:26 AM EST
    1 8 oz. package cream cheese softened.
    1 cup cooked chicken breast.
    1/2 cup Buffalo wing sauce.
    1/2 cup ranch or blue cheese salad dressing.
    2 cups shredded Colby-Monterrey Jack cheese.

    Preheat oven to 350°. Spread cream cheese into an ungreased shallow 1-qt. baking dish. Layer with chicken, wing sauce and salad dressing. Sprinkle with cheese.
    Bake, uncovered, 20-25 minutes or until cheese is melted.

    This has been a monster hit wherever I have taken it.


    The only thing (none / 0) (#108)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 04:30:34 PM EST
    I would change is, use a homemade wing sauce, not the bottled kind.
    Equal amounts of melted butter and Frank's Red Hot Sauce.
    Add some garlic powder and cayenne pepper (or hot Hungarian paprika) and there you are.  So much better than the pre-made stuff.

    Disaster (none / 0) (#26)
    by NoSides on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:39:23 PM EST
    I think an invasion by US troops of Venezuela would be a horrific disaster. As you said, another quagmire.

    There is the potential of thousands of people being killed.

    And, if there is and loud and clear opposition to this latest call for regime change from either Democrat or Republican leadership, I haven't heard it.


    How's the diet going? (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:55:03 PM EST
    Free Julian Assange (none / 0) (#25)
    by NoSides on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:30:56 PM EST
    Julian Assange has been held prisoner for years now. It is purely political.

    I have been astonished that they have been so few outcries by journalists to protest his detention.

    People on the right don't seem to champion the principle of freedom of the press.

    People on the left who for mysterious reasons allied themselves with the fortunes of Mrs. Clinton condemn Assange - the messenger - and ignore the horrific content revealing the corrupton of the DNC. And so they are pleased to tolerate or ignore the persecution of an honest journalist.

    And so, he has effectively been silenced.
    I find it frightening.

    tomorrow I will (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by leap on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:49:15 PM EST
    be making spicy red lentil and sweet potato glop. That should go well with the quinoa and kale I made last night.

    Today (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 10:56:52 PM EST
    I made cream of garlic soup with chicken and mushrooms

    Three weeks ago, after watching (none / 0) (#30)
    by desertswine on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 11:09:04 PM EST
    one of those Great Courses videos, I eliminated "dairy" from my diet.  And my IBS symptoms seemed to have cleared up.  I still can't believe it.  But I'm gaining the confidence to not be afraid to go out anywhere anymore.

    I hope I never need to do that (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 11:13:26 PM EST
    I so love dairy in all its forms

    Milk cheese yogurt whipped cream ice cream

    Couldn't do coffee without 1/2 & 1/2


    Milk was easy, but the cheese is everywhere. (none / 0) (#33)
    by desertswine on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 11:16:46 PM EST
    It's in all the most delicious cuisines, especially Mexican and Italian which I love.

    I only have problems with (none / 0) (#55)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:47:39 AM EST
    Milk and ice cream.  I'm lactose intolerant.
    If I take a Lactaid pill before ingesting them, though, I'm okay.
    I have no problems with cheese and yogurt.  Thank goodness.

    Cream (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:33:48 AM EST
    of garlic? That is interesting. Never heard of that before.

    It's great just straight (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 09:39:20 AM EST
    But it's become my favorite base for thing like chowder.  Once it's creamed you can add anything.

    My favorite is chicken cooked and pulled and various kinds of mushrooms.  There are great places to order dried shrooms on the web.

    like fungusamongus


    It really (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 10:03:30 AM EST
    does sound like a great base to use for other soups. I will have to try it sometime though it will have to be when my youngest is not here or leaves home. He refuses to eat soup.

    Freeze it in (none / 0) (#48)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 10:55:48 AM EST
    A mold with a stick in it and tell him it's a popsicle .  ;-)

    You should (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 09:17:19 AM EST
    here's the recipe guide for masoor dal, (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by leap on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 10:28:56 AM EST
    the spicy red lentil & sweet potato[e] glop. Not going to use cumin (too overpowering), but will add cinnamon (that's not overpowering at all :) ). Nor coconut. Pheh. And since it snowed, and is snowing still, I ain't gonna run out and get cilantro. But I have everything else on hand. Sounds tasty to me!

    I wonder (none / 0) (#56)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:54:27 AM EST
    If this would be good with butternut squash instead of sweet potatoes?  I still have some butternut squash from our garden.

    I don't know why it wouldn't. (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by leap on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:03:50 PM EST
    That's a suitably sweet squarsh. I never follow recipes exactly anyway, especially if I don't have some of the parts' list. It all goes to the same place, eventually.

    That's what my wife says -- (none / 0) (#66)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 01:29:15 PM EST

    ha ha! (none / 0) (#68)
    by leap on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 01:58:15 PM EST
    I like to spell it that way, and Warshington as well, because I have a dear friend who pronounces those words like that. It makes me smile. He makes me smile. He's from Idyho. They talk like that in southern Ohio and Indiana, too.

    The differences in our accents - (none / 0) (#79)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 04:31:40 PM EST
    New Jersey vs Oklahoma, have provided a lifetime of entertainment and enjoyment.

    My wife (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Feb 03, 2019 at 11:10:51 PM EST
    ...made a killer potato soup.  I ate it with my 98 y.o. mother.

    After dinner she finished reading Jimmie Carter's autobiography.  She is still mad at Reagan for conspiring with Iran and for smuggling planeloads of drugs.


    Your wife or your mother? (none / 0) (#57)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 11:55:53 AM EST
    Still mad at Reagan, I mean.
    So am I.

    My mother (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 05:48:26 PM EST
    In 1952 I asked her if she was voting for Eisenhower.  She told me that Ike was fine, but Nixon was a crook.  She was 20 years ahead of the world on that one.

    She remains angry at Reagan, Nixon, W, Trump, McConnell, and all the other GOP traitors.

    My mother's favorite TV show is Jeopardy.  She has a notebook where she writes down the answers that she got, but NOBODY ON THE SHOW KNEW.

    She works every day on her memoir, which she is composing as poetry. graduated HS two weeks after her 16th birthday, left an abusive home and made her way in the world.  Graduated from junior college two weeks after her 18th birthday, went to nursing school.

    Ran the first aid station at a Bechtel Liberty shipyard during WW II, where she met my dad.


    Sounds like (none / 0) (#84)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 05:51:41 PM EST
    A fascinating woman!
    I'm  glad she's writing her memoir.  Good for her!

    SOTU? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:28:05 AM EST

    When the going gets (none / 0) (#61)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 12:04:53 PM EST
    weird the weird gets going.

    I have no idea what is going on in Va but it looks like Fairfax is following in the guv's steps with political problems.

    Not really sure how serious it is but it is sure a black eye for the state.

    Hillary (none / 0) (#65)
    by NoSides on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 01:29:03 PM EST
    Clinton won the popular vote - yet she did not win the election.

    In my opinion, this had nothing to do with Russian meddling.

    It did, however, have to do with the skillful maneuvering by her opponent allowing him to win the electoral college and thus the presidency.

    What puzzles me is why there has been no groundswell of support for the elimination of the electoral college - from either side of the aisle.

    I've always wanted to go to (none / 0) (#67)
    by leap on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 01:54:20 PM EST
    New Zealand, but I cannot imagine being confined in a flying culvert for, what? 16 hours or more? Gads. Sounds like torture, as well as airborne disease vector. And I am not six-feet tall.

    This is so true (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 06:58:31 PM EST
    Not to mention the cost.  One of the few things I always wanted to do that I didn't was work for WETA digital

    As you may or may not know I have an unhealthy obsession with that part of the world.  Can't explain it.  Stopped trying.  Particularly BALI.

    Music - art - previous life sh!t.

    I always wanted work there because that's the "jumping off point" for the coolest places on earth.

    My most prized possession, house GOD, personal hero is GARUDA

    He is an authentic Balinese Temple Garuda.  No made for export shite.

    How I came by him is a different story for another time.


    People in that part of the world (none / 0) (#94)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:25:27 PM EST
    claim to see them flying through the air on very rare occasions. It's supposed to be a good omen.

    Maybe liking them is a good omen too.


    Obviously, Garuda is an Ancient Alien. (none / 0) (#98)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 09:59:48 PM EST
    And ancient alien theorists say "yes."

    Gamelan (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 11:08:38 AM EST
    i dream this music

    I have read waking through the countryside at night you can move from the sound of one village ensemble to the next.

    This is what happens in my dream

    sometimes I get the vocals

    I blame John Cage


    Music from some other (none / 0) (#103)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 11:44:02 AM EST
    plane of existence.

    The first time I heard that music (none / 0) (#106)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 12:24:17 PM EST
    that was my first thought: the aliens have landed.

    Varese and some of Thelonius Monk's stuff gives me that impression too.

    I'm sorry to hear that about Ghost, Captain.


    Training for (none / 0) (#69)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 02:04:23 PM EST
    trades is very important. The building trades need electricians so it would not be helpful to get rid of electrical colleges and schools.  

    free (none / 0) (#74)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 03:02:34 PM EST
    tuition to electoral, electrical or eccentrical college for all!

    I like (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 02:42:04 PM EST
    Seems (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 02:56:52 PM EST
    child friendly.  But, I like the Siberian Husky.

    I really f'king hate to report (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 07:12:38 PM EST
    Ghost (who was named before there was a Game of Thornes - people here know that) died.  About a month or so ago.

    I should have reported it I guess but it just to hard.

    I liked him too.

    Still have two.  


    Sorry Cap'n. (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by desertswine on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 09:56:17 PM EST
    He had a good run (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 11:23:52 AM EST
    Here is Ghost running celebratory  circles once he was able to RUN again

     springtime for GHOST 2011

    I miss him so much


    Looks like a happy boy. (none / 0) (#102)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 11:32:21 AM EST
    I'm sorry to hear that, Capt (none / 0) (#93)
    by leap on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:20:39 PM EST
    I know how heartbreaking it is to lose a companion like that. I lost one of my kitties in June, and what made it even harder is that she was my Mom's kitty. She was 20 years old, a good long life for a cat, but that did not make it any easier. I had her for 11 of those years. Our little animal friends are such wonderful comforters.

    He was (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:29:25 PM EST
    A spirit guide

    I can see that (none / 0) (#96)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 08:43:36 PM EST
    Cream of Garlic Soup (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 04, 2019 at 03:37:44 PM EST
    3/4 cup garlic cloves, peeled
    3 tablespoons olive oil
    2 1/2 cups chicken broth
    1 cup white wine
    2 1/2 cups milk
    1 cup heavy whipping cream
    1/2 cup peeled and cubed potatoes
    salt and pepper to taste


        15 m

        1 h 10 m

        Ready In
        1 h 25 m

        Chop garlic in a food processor to a coarse paste, stopping occasionally to scrape the sides of the bowl.
        Heat oil in a large saucepan over low heat. Add the garlic paste and cook just until the paste begins to color, stirring constantly. Stir in the chicken broth and wine. Bring mixture to a boil.
        Reduce heat and simmer for 30 minutes. Stir in the milk, cream and potato and simmer for another 30 minutes.
        Puree soup in blender, return to saucepan and simmer. Add salt and pepper to taste. Ladle into bowls and serve with buttered French bread.


    RGB makes an apperance (none / 0) (#107)
    by ragebot on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 01:32:30 PM EST
    in a Klingon cloaking device that prevents any pix of her being captured.  Multiple MSM reports describe her as looking "glam" (or equally positive descriptions). Detractors point out that it is unlikely a smart phone pix would not emerge even in a friendly area like she was at.

    Mother Jones (definitely a liberal outlet) had this blurb about her last SC appearance.

    When a Supreme Court session adjourns, the public isn't allowed to depart until all the justices have left the bench. After the arbitration arguments were gaveled to a close, I got up to leave with the rest of the onlookers. But then everyone stopped. All of the justices had left except for Ginsburg, who was having trouble getting out of her chair. There was an embarrassed silence as members of the press, the bar, and the public tried not to gape as Ginsburg mustered the courage to descend a single step off the bench and finally disappeared behind the red curtain. The contrast between the real-world Ginsburg and the comic-book superheroine of social media was striking.

    Rehnquist missed 44 SC arguments and when administering the Oath of Office to Prez Bush looked in ill health.  He died in office in Sept of 2005.  The difference here is a sea change in politics.  A Republican prez replacing a Democratic icon would make the last SC confirmation look like a cake walk.

    The last vid I was able to find of Ginsburg was a TMZ post of a shadowy figure being lifted out of a wheel chair into a big SUV, with no proof it was RGb.

    The Mother Jones article makes a point that RGB seems to have made a mistake by hanging on so long.  

    Ok (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 04:39:57 PM EST
    They do their best (5.00 / 3) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 05:02:32 PM EST
    But (2.00 / 1) (#131)
    by ragebot on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 09:25:25 PM EST
    is she awake.  

    At some point she will have to appear in public with pix and vids.  As the Mother Jones article pointed out well before she broke her ribs and had lung surgery she was having problems getting out of a chair.

    The Old Chief held on for almost a year before he died in office missing 44 cases and working from home; something I expect RGB to do as well.  The thing is he made some public appearances walking with a cane and obviously being very week; something RGB seems unable to do.

    At what point would you question her ability to function as a SC justice.  


    Is that the same (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 05:16:33 PM EST
    Sebastian Gorka, a former top advisor to Trump, who looked so splendid at the Trump Inaugural sporting, with the pride, his family Medal of Vitezi Rend?  The Vitezi Rend---a Nazi-allied  Hungarian organization founded by an ally of Adolph Hitler.

    Sad on so many levels (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 05:15:12 PM EST

    A sixth-grader's name got him bullied. Now Joshua Trump is going to the State of the Union

    They curse at him, they call him an idiot, they call him stupid," his mother, Megan Trump Berto, told ABC affiliate WPVI at the time.

    Survey  question.  Do we think this will help with the bullying

    I enjoyed NPR this morning asking KA Conway (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 05:23:01 PM EST
    whether Tr*mp would be condemning bullying in general, in connection with pointing out this kid, and if so whether an apology for his own Twitter behavior would be part of that discussion.

    Happy Chinese New Year... (none / 0) (#115)
    by desertswine on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 08:53:18 PM EST
    I have a new favorite artist (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 09:24:54 PM EST
    More art (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 05, 2019 at 10:00:13 PM EST
    After Tulsi Gabbard's appearance on MJ (none / 0) (#118)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 12:24:33 PM EST
    I would guess that she doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hawaii? of getting the Democratic nomination, much less ever being elected President.

    especially after (none / 0) (#119)
    by leap on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 01:28:38 PM EST
    endorsements like this

    Where I live there are mountian lions. (none / 0) (#120)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 04:11:43 PM EST
    And I spend a significant amount of time on the trails in our hills.

    The mountain lions are fairly controversial among those of us who live here.

    Anyway, here's the story of a guy on Monday who got attacked by a mountain lion in CO while trail running and ended up killing the animal with his bare hands.

    Very sad that the animal was killed.

    But, damn...

    You should (none / 0) (#121)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 04:35:37 PM EST
    listen to the story about the woman in GA who killed a bobcat with her bare hands while trying not to wake her grandchild here

    Does detract a bit from (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 04:38:25 PM EST
    Their S C A R Y reputation

    Double damn! And I hear the (none / 0) (#123)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 04:46:54 PM EST
    rabies shots are no joke. In addition to broken fingers. Ouch.

    ... because it involved a three-week-long series of daily injections delivered in the stomach area. Further, the treatment itself involved a fair amount of risk and side effects to the treatment were often debilitating, and so the vaccine was administered only when a patient had been knowingly exposed to the rabies virus and thus had a significant probability of otherwise contracting the illness.

    But nowadays, modern medicine has improved the rabies vaccine considerably so that delivery is not nearly so bad, instead requiring a handful of injections in the upper arm on an outpatient basis with few serious side effects. People who work extensively with wild animals will often get themselves vaccinated, regardless of any prior risk of exposure, simply as a preventative measure.

    Of course, rabies itself is far worse and invariably fatal.


    Where were you in '62? Or was it '63? (none / 0) (#132)
    by Jack E Lope on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 11:09:28 AM EST
    In the summer of - I'm not sure if it was 1962 or 1963 - I was in a hospital's emergency room, with a close-up view of the doctor stitching-up my face while I was overhearing another doctor describe the rabies series to my father.  The rabies series sounded scarier than what I was going through at that moment.

    My father, thus motivated, returned with the feral dog (which had been living under a truck parked down the road from our house) in about 2 hours. (We lived about 1 hour's drive from that hospital.)  

    Rabies series avoided.


    Lucky you! (none / 0) (#138)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 04:57:01 PM EST
    In the summer of '62 I was yet to be born...

    Sum funny comments on a FB posting (none / 0) (#133)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 11:44:56 AM EST
    about the incident.

    fyi, the trail runner has still not been identified, during the attack he was able to hit the animal on the head with a rock with the free arm that was not in the animal's jaws, it was probably an adolescent mountain lion, and the dude ultimately choked the animal to death.

    "I'd be lion if I didn't say I was impressed."

    "I heard the mountain lion was on his way to the maul"

    "The runner's name is Ron Swanson."

    "Jogging trails no longer safe for mountain lions"

    "it is awesome that he didn't take it lion down."

    "Had a couple cougars choke on me so I can relate"

    "Even mountain lions get stoned in Colorado."

    "Colorado Democrats impose ban on assault rocks."

    "I'm thinking this was actually just a kitten who identified as a mountain lion."

    "Claws and jaws, meet opposable thumbs."

    "Poor cat, taken too soon by toxic masculinity."

    "I heard cougars can get aggressive, especially after last call on Saturday night"

    And, my favorite:

    "This is why I always run with a laser pointer"


    "Shortly after being released from the hospital the man reportedly did a hundred one armed push-ups, impregnated five women, and solved eight math problems pertaining to anomalous spectral behavior of Schrödinger operators. He then ate a healthy breakfast."

    So the guy has talked to the press (none / 0) (#195)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 14, 2019 at 02:41:21 PM EST
    I'm getting a little worried (none / 0) (#196)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 14, 2019 at 09:26:13 PM EST
    about the bears around here, especially since my grandson likes trucking with me into our little old growth woods spot down the road.

    There have been a few sightings around here, so I took it into my head to google bear attacks. Bad idea. Yes, they're few between, but the "normally skittish and shy" black bears have been the culprits more often than I had hoped.

    They say you shouldn't run if you see one, but I have feeling that if we do, I'll be scooping him up and as Lowell George said, it's gonna be "feets don't fail me now."


    Ya, that would not be fun. (none / 0) (#197)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 15, 2019 at 02:43:31 PM EST
    They say making noise lets the bears know where you are and they usually skedaddle before you ever see them. Grandkids are usually pretty noisy!

    Maybe get some bear spray?


    I'm thinking about it (none / 0) (#198)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 15, 2019 at 02:53:38 PM EST
    there's also a couple of nitwits who let their pitbulls and rottweillers off the leash in the woods. Don't get me started on that.

    Amy (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 04:47:24 PM EST
    "I'm making a big announcement on Sunday," Klobuchar wrote on Twitter late Tuesday night, after attending President Trump's State of the Union address. She linked to a website to sign up for her "big announcement," which will take place in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

    I'm thinkin you don't get an open air crowd together in Minnesota in Feb to say you are not running.

    You need to read this (none / 0) (#125)
    by scribe on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 05:38:08 PM EST
    From Australia, the story of a criminal defense attorney who informed for the police for almost 15 years.

    Lots of articles on it.  

    Go read.

    oops (none / 0) (#126)
    by scribe on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 05:41:05 PM EST
    TPM (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 06, 2019 at 07:47:29 PM EST
    How Democrats Plan On Getting Trump's Tax Returns

    Key to the Democrats plans, experts and former congressional investigators told TPM, is a hearing Thursday titled, "Legislative Proposals and Tax Law Related to Presidential and Vice-Presidential Tax Returns."

    As dry as that may sound, experts said that the hearing - which will examine legislation that would force presidential and vice-presidential candidates to disclose 10 years of their tax returns - will be crucial to establishing a "legitimate legislative purpose" for Congress to request Trump tax returns - potentially blunting expected legal arguments by the administration that the request is frivolous, or an example of "Presidential harassment."

    Virginia (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 04:41:13 PM EST
    What a mess

    Up until a few weeks ago (none / 0) (#161)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 03:04:47 PM EST
    my impression of blackface was that it was used in minstrel shows somewhere back in times of antiquity. Had not a clue that anyone would consider doing it in more modern days...

    Sorry for Being Dense (2.00 / 1) (#174)
    by RickyJim on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:00:34 PM EST
    But what kind of makeup is allowable now-a-days for a white actor (or singer) playing Othello?

    Great question. (none / 0) (#176)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:08:52 PM EST
    The only Othello I'm even remotely familiar with is Laurence Fishburne.

    Who (none / 0) (#162)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 03:37:59 PM EST
    Blackface is as American as the ruling class. Throughout the 20th century, all-male fraternal orders, schools, federal agencies and the U.S. military collectively institutionalized the practice. Watching blackface performances was a common pastime for U.S. presidents from both parties. "Blacking up" was seen as an expression of cultural heritage and patriotism throughout Jim Crow America -- in an era named after a famous blackface stock character -- and up until the civil rights era. Even now, one recent poll by YouGov found, only 58 percent of Americans oppose the practice.
    I sure didn't.

    How did this monstrous, mass-commercialized empire of amateur blackface minstrelsy end? And why have you never heard about any of this before?

    The answer has to do with a largely forgotten civil rights victory spearheaded by black mothers in the 1950s and 1960s. These women, typically black Rosie the Riveters married to veterans who believed in the "Double Victory" campaign -- freedom at home and abroad -- stood on the front lines of school desegregation. Once those walls had been breached, they were horrified to discover that the music, poems, literature and plays to which their children were exposed were forms of amateur blackface minstrelsy. They ran a national media campaign and filed legal cases to ban blackface performance, dress-up, and texts from schools and government institutions.

    Ironically, these courageous and determined mothers who envisioned a better world for their children were so successful at driving blackface out of the mainstream that schools now rarely (if ever) teach its history -- which is why so many Americans are uninformed about how the practice persisted and why it is so offensive and hurtful to African Americans. It also might suggest why we now see blackface hip-hop parties on college campuses; younger generations do not understand the lineage they resurrect when donning blackface, because it is never discussed in their history classes.

    The "winners" really do write the history.

    The article is extremely enlightening. Link


    ...but the quoted paragraphs do explain why we aren't so familiar with it.

    I'm quite surprised you are not (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:31:11 PM EST

    Long list of celebs and you don't have to go back to the 80s.

    When Ted Danson got in trouble for it Woopie Goldberg called the uproar "a bunch of silly pi$$ing and moanng"

    Condemning people for this is a bit to easy.  I do not think everyone who has every done this since 1930 is an unredeamable racist.  

    In fact I doubt Ted Danson, Jimi Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon have a racist bone in their body.

    As the piece explains it was beyond accepted.  It was institutionalized.  

    If it's horribly offensive let's try educating people as a first choice instead of destroying them.  

    Having done this myself, as a child, in an officially sanctioned school function, I take it sort personally.


    Personally (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:33:23 PM EST
    I think the accusations of assault more troubling.

    There is just now a second woman.

    When I said "mess" it was inclusive.


    One interesting bit of this (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:44:09 PM EST
    At least for me is blackface in cartoons.

    I have to admit one of the things I loved most about living in Canada was the multiple tv channels that run old animation all day and night.

    Seeing these old cartoons was like seeing old friends.  I grew up with them.  I love them.  I am not a racist.  They would never ever be allowed to be shown here.  They would be seen as horribly racist.

    I find this fascinating.  I get Canada does not have our racial history.  I get the Underground Railroad led to Canada.

    It still strikes me as odd these cultural treasures would be loved and honored there and shunned and condemned here.


    On racially charged animation (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:29:42 PM EST
    Here's one you've probably never heard of.  It is NOT Disney's sappy vapid SONG OF THE SOUTH.


    Originally produced under the titles Harlem Nights and Coonskin No More... at Paramount Pictures, Coonskin encountered controversy before its original theatrical release when the Congress of Racial Equality criticized the content as being racist. When the film was released, Bryanston gave it limited distribution and it initially received mixed reviews. Later re-released under the titles Bustin' Out and Street Fight, Coonskin has since been reappraised. A New York Times review said, "[Coonskin] could be [Ralph Bakshi's] masterpiece."[1] Bakshi has stated that he considers Coonskin to be his best film.[2]

    Coonskin uses a variety of racist caricatures from blackface minstrelsy and darky iconography, including stereotypes featured in Hollywood films and cartoons.[3] In the book That's Blaxploitation! Roots of the Baadasssss 'Tude (Rated X by an All-Whyte Jury), Darius James writes that "Bakshi pukes the iconographic bile of a racist culture back in its stupid, bloated face, wipes his chin and smiles Dirty Harry style. [...] He subverts the context of Hollywood's entire catalogue of racist black iconography through a series of swift cross-edits of original and appropriated footage."[3] The film also features equally exaggerated portrayals of white Southerners, Italians, and homosexuals.[3] The depiction of Jewish characters stems from stereotypes portrayed in Nazi propaganda, including The Eternal Jew.[7]

    In his review for The Hollywood Reporter, Arthur Knight wrote "Coonskin is not anti-black. Nor is it anti-Jewish, anti-Italian, or anti-American, all of whom fall prey to Bakshi's wicked caricaturist's pen as intensely as any of the blacks in his movie. What Bakshi is against, as this film makes abundantly clear, is the cheats, the rip-off artists, the hypocrites, the phonies, the con men, and the organized criminals of this world, regardless of race, color, or creed."



    Full film (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:50:15 PM EST
    Watching this (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 11:39:27 PM EST
    I had not seen it in years got me thinking about other things from the period in the 60s and 70s when it actually seemed progress was being made and positive things were happening

    And weird things.  Like OH DEM WATERMELONS by experimental film maker Robert Nelson which I was for some reason amazed to find on YouTube.  I saw in once in some artsy film festival.

    "Watermelons was commissioned by the San Francisco Mime Troupe as a short entertainment to be screened during intermission for its rather infamous 1965 Minstrel Show (Civil Rights from the Cracker Barrel), which assaulted racial stereotypes by wildly exaggerating them - as performed by (mostly white) performers in blackface, yet. A relative latecomer to filmmaking, the 35-year-old Nelson had just begun fooling around with the medium, mostly in collaboration with then-wife Gunvor Nelson. To make Watermelons he drafted talent from the Mime Troupe and alma mater Mills College, where he'd also found a young composer named Steve Reich, later known (to his occasional annoyance) as the father of minimalism, and thus the person to be blessed or blamed for subsequent fellow travelers Philip Glass and John Adams


    The Mime Troupe's first touring show and introduction to the national spotlight, this incendiary piece presented a cast of black and white actors all in black face, performing a twisted version of an old-time minstrel show. A bold commentary on the state of race relations and the civil rights movement, the national tour was sponsored by SDS, SNCC and other leftist groups, and was both condemned as "vulgar and obscene" and praised as "honest and vital;" regardless, arrests, protests, bans and cancellations marked the tour - a real signed of success as far as the Mime Troupe is concerned!



    We grew up in very different worlds. (none / 0) (#173)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:58:51 PM EST
    My sense of it, if I had much of a sense of it at all growing up, that is was an antiquated practice.

    I'm pretty sure Ted Danson (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:05:22 PM EST
    Woopie Goldberg, Kimmel, Fallon and several others listed there are "in your world"

    If you have not seen Tropic Thunder you should

    It's excellent.


    I was referring to this: (none / 0) (#177)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:09:57 PM EST
    Having done this myself, as a child, in an officially sanctioned school function, I take it sort personally.

    Liked Dansen in Cheers. (none / 0) (#178)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:11:55 PM EST
    The rest were never on my "must see" list...

    Tom Cruise (none / 0) (#184)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 08:06:01 PM EST
    in another borderline stereotype role, pretty much steals Tropic Thunder, imo.

    Think Harvey Weinstein a few espressos over the line and you get the idea.


    Look (none / 0) (#185)
    by FlJoe on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 09:08:31 AM EST
    at  Wiki's list it's hard to deny that blackface had a solid presence in American pop culture, including many of the biggest Movies and TV shows only starting to slow down in the 60s but never really going away.

    We grew up watching much American icons as Bing Crosby, and many many more preform in blackface, it seemed like harmless fun at the time.

    It seems awfully harsh to condemn anybody as being a racist for doing something that had been widely accepted for decades.

    Any calls that a young man during most of the last century "should have known better" is kind of denying historical reality.


    That what I think (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 09:22:41 AM EST
    Sometimes it seems we have become a nation of snowflakes

    I think it should be about context.  The governor kind of blew his chance to get his response right.  Being restrained by the wife from moonwalking was not a good look.

    But the other guy, admittedly I don't know all that much about his case, seems a tiny bit better.

    Dressing like a rapper? Right? Wasn't that him?  Yeah, I did it.  It was stupid.  Seems possible it never occurred to him it might be a career ending thing.

    And there's the other end of the spectrum.  The guy who dressed like a "Katrina victim".  This is what I mean by context.


    Northam BUZZFEED (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 09:51:36 AM EST
    Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam Plans To Survive By Changing His Agenda To Focus On Race

    It might be good to remember the politician who arguably did the most for civil rights was a Texas cracker who used the N word in every other paragraph.


    I really (none / 0) (#188)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 10:16:30 AM EST
    hope this kind of brings up a larger discussion of how this kind of thing was normal during the Reagan Era and how Reagan being elected meant it was okay to put down POC. White supremacists were empowered by his election. I lived in SC at the time and too many people told me they were voting for Reagan because he hated n***ers. Also VMI where Northam went has a horrible history of racism. Why was that allowed to go on there? I feel like all of this is painful vomiting up of stuff the south especially needs to deal with.

    Interesting poll this morning (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 10, 2019 at 09:10:52 AM EST
    Of VA voters

    Should Northam stay or go

    47 47

    Should he stay broken down by race

    whites 46
    AA 58

    At this point it looks like he hangs on.  To me.


    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 10, 2019 at 09:39:39 AM EST
    I think he hangs on and does things like commute a lot of sentences etc.

    A second accuser, (none / 0) (#169)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:38:26 PM EST
    has come forward with a sexual assault allegation against  Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax---while students, in 2000, at Duke University.

    Given the mess--- the Democratic Gov, Lt. Gov, and AG, as well as reaching into the Republican leadership ranks, it may be that Virginians will have to tease out specific differences, if any, among the generally abhorrent cases.  

    As for the Democrats, the only accusation(s) that are possibly criminal, are those of the Lt. Governor.  Although, investigations are needed, the women accusers appear credible and suggest strongly that Fairfax needs to go.

    The Governor's year book with black face and KKK costumes depicting generalized mockery, which should have been neither funny nor fun in 1984, the bizarre series of apology/denials, and, then, the moonwalk dance black face contestant is a fatal blow to his ability to govern.

    The Attorney General was 19 years old when he costumed in black face as a particular performer, who was popular at the time.  The AG did acknowledge his reprehensible behavior, as unacceptable then, as now, (although trying to get ahead of media),and appeared contrite.

    Both the governor and the AG have a good record despite the earlier affrontery. The governor has lost his ability to govern, the Lt.Governor's position is untenable, leaving the AG as the only possibility, not a good situation at all, but better than moving, not into past indiscretions, but into the present of Republican governance.  Also, the provenance of the revelations is from right wingers extracting retribution for policy differences.

    The best option is for the Lt. Gov to resign, the Gov names a replacement,and then the Governor resigns so that the new Lt.Gov succeeds the Gov. The new governor appoints a new Lt. Gov.


    What a mess (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:45:57 PM EST
    Very (none / 0) (#139)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 05:51:16 PM EST
    Amazon chief executive Jeffrey P. Bezos said Thursday that he was the target of an extortion attempt by the National Enquirer, which he said threatened to publish intimate photos of him and a woman he had an extramarital relationship with if Bezos didn't stop investigating the Enquirer's acquisition of text messages between the couple.

    Mr Pecker (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 06:41:10 PM EST
    Appears to be caught in a wringer

    The guy (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 06:53:51 PM EST
    already was in trouble with Mueller and supposedly was cooperating on Trump. Apparently all these Trumpers have been getting away with this stuff for so long they think they can continue regardless of what papers they signed with Mr. Mueller. I'm now expecting Pecker to get a prison sentence with this stunt.

    I like Bezos more (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 06:59:24 PM EST
    Than I did before

    Yeah, (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    me too. Refusing to be blackmailed and turning it around on the blackmailer is pretty awesome in my book.

    I read the medium article Bezos wrote and it implied that Pecker has been blackmailing people for quite a while.

    I also liked the part where he said he was proud of the work the Washington Post has been doing. You know that had to especially get under the skin of Trump.


    This is exactly the right way to deal (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by Peter G on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 07:31:18 PM EST
    with an extortion attempt. But it takes cojones to do it.

    100 billion (none / 0) (#145)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 11:07:48 PM EST
    can buy a lot of cajones.

    Here's hoping Jeff puts them to optimal good use.


    It (none / 0) (#147)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 06:12:50 AM EST
    helps when you have the signed ransom note.

    Hey Peter (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 08:22:24 AM EST
    I've been hearing RICO a lot more lately.  How likely do think it is RICO statutes will be used against the Trump family?

    The terms of the statute certainly fit (none / 0) (#189)
    by Peter G on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 02:24:36 PM EST
    the "association in fact" of the Tr*mp Organization, the Tr*mp Foundation, the Campaign, the Inaugural Committee, and various family members, all of whom appear to have "conducted the affairs of the enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity." (Those are the essential elements of a RICO charge.) "A pattern of racketeering activity" is an ongoing series of violations of any of a long list of state and federal criminal statutes, commonly engaged in by organized crime families.

    Thanks (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 09, 2019 at 05:45:19 PM EST
    This similar to (none / 0) (#146)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Feb 07, 2019 at 11:16:46 PM EST
    ...the plot of the Mel Gibson movie, "Ransom."

    Dude kidnaps the kid, and the rich father, instead of paying the ransom, offers five million bucks to the public for the name of the kidnapper.

    Who knows he is a dead man.


    The really interesting can of worms (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 08:12:51 AM EST
    This opens, with the suggestions that they do this all the time - and it's political, makes you wonder about some of the seemingly suicidal and out of character actions by several politicians.

    Lindsey Graham for example.  His transformation is really baffling.  Taking positions that are a flat 180 to positions he has taken pretty recently.  Like before McCain's death. Who would have shamed him for what he has done.

    The mind boggles with the stuff Pecker could have on Lindsey.  

    Or Nunes.  Or others.


    I was thinking (none / 0) (#159)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 11:40:47 AM EST
    the same thing and this surely probably explains a lot of the GOP and their behavior. Just think not even the salacious stuff but just plain stuff like taking Russian money which happens to be anybody who took NRA money.

    Whittaker hearing on CNN (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 08:36:49 AM EST
    Not MSNBC for some reason.  Baldy is smirking and rolling his eyes as Nadler explains what is about to happen.

    You should be watching this (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 08:42:57 AM EST
    Republicans are hysterical and pounding the desk out of the gate.

    Seriously (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 09:06:55 AM EST
    This is not a person accustomed to being questioned

    He looks like a ticking bomb


    Whittaker is (none / 0) (#154)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 11:08:50 AM EST
    really an annoying a***e.

    I meant a*****e. (none / 0) (#155)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 11:09:37 AM EST
    OMG (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 11:18:14 AM EST
    I recommend staying tuned until some of the intel folks get a shot.

    Lieu,  Swalwell.


    And what is it with the French cuffs.. (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 11:22:51 AM EST
    popping up everywhere?  I hate those things and the foppish and pretentious cuff links that hold them together.  Just too dandyish.

    Whittaker is drinking (none / 0) (#158)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 11:31:16 AM EST
    a lot of water.  He's got three bottles in front of him.  He's apparently trying to run out the clock on the questions.

    Whittaker appears (none / 0) (#160)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 12:41:00 PM EST
    to have been schooled well in the Ed Meese art of masking corruption with incompetence.  Evidently, such schooling came easy to him with a base of ignorance and arrogance.

    Woo hoo! (none / 0) (#164)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:16:22 PM EST
    Free Showtime on Sling this wknd. Now I can binge watch season 9 of Shameless.

    There's a lot to binge (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:20:10 PM EST
    Escape at Danemora
    Penny Dreadful
    Patrick Melrose
    Ray Donavan

    And especially Kidding


    I've been binging (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 04:54:17 PM EST

    never saw it.  So good.


    Have you (none / 0) (#180)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:30:48 PM EST
    seen the series, "YOU"?   Pretty good.

    Never heard of it till now (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 08, 2019 at 05:33:32 PM EST