Kamala Harris Drops Out of Presidential Race

Sen. Kamala Harris has dropped out of the Democratic race to be the Presidential nominee.

Will she be the VP candidate?

She will be delivering a speech soon.

Personally, I'm glad. She is a career law enforcement officer and she peppers too many phrases with references to putting people in jail.

Who will be next to drop?

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    Booker and Castro (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CST on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 01:34:00 PM EST
    Will be the next to drop.  Maybe Amy after that.

    Because this is America, and apparently only a white man can save us (Warren probably won't drop out or win).

    I still hold (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:47:43 PM EST
    out hope for Amy in Iowa.

    If Mayor Pete (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:26:52 PM EST
    does the soufflé thing, Amy could then rise.

    She could (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:44:36 PM EST
    Mayor Pete seems to really be having a hard time expanding his appeal past white people. While that works in IA and NH I'm not sure how that is going to play out later on.

    You really think so? (none / 0) (#9)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:54:53 PM EST
    I think if Pete crashes after Iowa and NH, Biden's going to be the nominee.

    Am I mistaken or has Amy consistently polled lower than Kamala? If Kamala ran out of cash, how is Amy going to survive?


    The last IA (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:59:53 PM EST
    poll Amy had gone up. She hasn't been polling well nationally but she has been going up in IA. However whether it ends up being enough who knows.

    What about Biden losing IA and NH? Do you think that will have an effect on his campaign? Last poll had him 2nd or 3rd in IA and he likely won't win NH with Warren in the race.


    I have contributed (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 06:36:57 PM EST
    a little money to both Amy and Booker.  

    Not that either one will go all that far.


    I will say (none / 0) (#17)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 06:38:19 PM EST
    Amy's follow up emails seem more polished and frequent than Booker's fwiw.

    Amy Klobuchar's emails (none / 0) (#18)
    by leap on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 07:02:01 PM EST
    drove me nuts. Her org. would send out a minumum of 2 a day. Every d@mned day. Sometimes I'd get four. I finally unsubscribed. She seemed so desperate, and that is not a good look.

    So did Obama's (none / 0) (#21)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 07:26:22 PM EST
    I did not respond to a one of them until after the Iowa caucus...

    And Booker (none / 0) (#20)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 07:25:07 PM EST
    whom I like very much, does have an air of Peter Pan boyish charm....  perhaps a little too whimsical...

    Amy is it.....For all of the hundred or so people who agree with me.


    Well (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 07:43:01 PM EST
    count me in the 100.

    This is a very good ad (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:48:46 AM EST
    He (none / 0) (#46)
    by FlJoe on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:44:17 AM EST
    is still clueless
    [I]f you hear people on the rope line saying, `I'm a Republican,' I say, `Stay a Republican.' Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

    Let me see he calls a voter a liar for spreading the Biden/Ukraine bs but he gives Lindsey Graham a pass?

    In that same piece, he also noted that, while he and Lindsey Graham have some major differences between them, he promised he'd be able to "work things out" with him.

    He's a menace (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:46:27 AM EST
    But it's a good ad

    It's the or one of the right approaches.

    Trump the fool and laughing stock of the planet should be a theme


    Biden (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:56:51 AM EST
    appears to have the best campaign team. The problem is the team can't solve the problems of the candidate. I know at one time they were hoping to keep him out of sight. Smart people. They knew what they were doing. LOL.

    Feeling bad for Armando (none / 0) (#1)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 12:47:50 PM EST
    Harris was a major player--more so, I thought, than Booker or Steyer.....

    I thought so, too. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:25:29 PM EST
    But apparently, she was not -- for now, anyway. I think Sen. Harris would be awesome as U.S. Attorney General, particularly after the 2020 election when it'll be time for a serious legal reckoning with those Trump administration officials and parasites who ran interference for the boss -- ,<cough!>Bill Barr</cough!> -- and / or capitalized personally by their proximity to the Trump White House.

    He really can't stand Pete. (none / 0) (#10)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:58:46 PM EST
    While I don't like Pete half as much as I did when he first popped up, I don't get why some people absolutely hate him.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 04:01:38 PM EST
    I don't get the hatred either. I certainly have some concerns about Pete mostly having to do with Facebook and not him being gay but he has inspired some rabid hatred in some quarters.

    Mayor Pete (none / 0) (#15)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 06:31:57 PM EST
    seems obnoxious free....But not all that experienced.

    His lack of experience (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 07:09:33 PM EST
    is a concern I have. Biden's age is a problem because he wouldn't be able to serve 2 terms. If we nominate him we're going to have to go through all this again in a couple of years. That alone should be enough for people to look at other candidates.

    Warren has really faded (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 10:20:25 PM EST
     after crashing on the shoals of Medicare for All.

    Biden has issues.  But he may just get it because....no one else can grab the crown.

    Bernie reached his ceiling.   Blomberg will buy his way to ten percent and then bottom out.....but I see ads for him all over my YouTube music videos....

    It is a weird set of candidates.


    MFA (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 05:35:49 AM EST
    when it happened in the senate after 2016 I cringed. I saw moderates like Gillibrand and Booker sign on with Bernie. Too many people got the wrong idea about 2016. And now it's killed a bunch of candidacies. It was one of the killer of Kamala's candidacy and Mayor Pete and Biden not signing on has probably contributed to their campaigns. Amy didn't sign on either but it seems that it has not mattered.

    Senator Harris's (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 01:44:27 PM EST
    Interview skills during confirmation hearings were skillful and effective.  These attributes, I believed, would have been necessary in confronting Trump's demagoguery.  At the age of 55, Senator Harris has a bright future ahead, including the likelihood of being a strong contender for the vice presidential nomination , particularly if Biden is the presidential nominee.

    Senator Warren, In my view, is still likely to rebound from her slump, which would probably preclude a place on the ticket for Senator Harris, although it might just be the boldness needed.  In 2016, I believed Secretary Clinton should have considered Senator Warren as a running mate---certainly Tim Kaine hurt Hillary by not helping.

    I don't (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:48:38 PM EST
    see Warren getting the nomination. Right now it looks like Buttigieg and Biden are going to be slugging it out.

    That (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 05:34:52 PM EST
    A seriously funny mental image

    Not a surprise (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 06:24:03 PM EST
    Add to that the blame casting. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 10:02:15 AM EST
    If non-white and a woman is supposedly toxic for Dem primary voters how does one account for the last three Dem presidential nominees?

    Huh (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 10:14:31 AM EST
    I didn't get ya

    Last three Nominees in order (none / 0) (#42)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 08:49:19 AM EST
    Obama, black
    Obama, black
    Clinton, woman

    Now do Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CST on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:07:46 AM EST
    Women are half of the population.  A single nominee for a majority  party once in the entire history of the country is not diversity no matter how recent it was.

    Put another way (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CST on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:13:13 AM EST
    If one party only nominates white men and the other party never does, that's still more white men as nominees than there would be if it were proportional to the population.

    There is a difference between (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by CST on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 10:55:16 AM EST
    Being toxic and being held to a different standard by both voters and the press.

    The real answer is that they have to be exceptional to be taken seriously where the white men can be senile/out of touch or completely inexperienced and get treated as if they are on par with people who have real experience and are capable of handling the rigors of the job.

    Also, this isn't just about the Democratic party, Republicans are not off the hook.


    Backlash was part of what doomed Clinton (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 07:50:07 AM EST
    Even POC are worried about nominating a POC or woman this time and are picking Biden.

    Are there reliable polling data to support (none / 0) (#56)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 03:03:57 PM EST
    that theory?

    The Hill (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 04:12:48 PM EST
    "This cycle, many black voters are making a pragmatic choice, driven as much or more by who can defeat Trump as the issues they care about," said Cornell William Brooks, a South Carolina native and the former NAACP president who is now a director at the William Monroe Trotter Collaborative for Social Justice.

    This has been discussed quite a lot.


    That and Abrams (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 04:33:23 PM EST
    and Gillum going down has many POC sort of scared of running POC against Trump.

    I'm pretty tried (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 09:44:58 AM EST
    Of Booker and others whining about the lack of POC on the primary debate stage.  And suggesting that this is proof there is something wrong with the process.

    I would suggest to him that if he has an issue with anyone it's the thousands and thousands of POC who have attached themselves to Biden.  Ignoring his history.  

    I just heard him talk8ng about what is really needed is him and Wang and Tulsi (seriously Tulsi) on that stage to insure, whatever, justice.

    Booker can STFU and go away.  And take Wang and Tulsi with him.

    I gotta (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 11:50:49 AM EST
    say the way this primary is set up sucks major but I have thought the same thing. If you're concerned about a lack of POC on the stage then the voters are the ones you need to be looking at.

    The financing plays a role as well (none / 0) (#51)
    by CST on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 10:49:54 AM EST
    There's a reason Tom Steyer is there and it's not his immense political skills. Money talks.

    Of course it does (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 10:56:44 AM EST
    If only it did not.

    But it would not close the deal.    


    What about the most qualified person of color (none / 0) (#30)
    by Peter G on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 09:59:46 AM EST
    running, that is, Julian Castro?

    What about him is (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 10:13:41 AM EST
    As far as I know he is between 0 and 2%.

    Who's fault is that?  Look I never expected Castro to break out.  You are right.  He is qualified and smart. Way more than, say, Booker.  Or Harris.

    He would be a great VP.  IMO he was never going to be the nominee.  That's is a purely political logic opinion.  With that and 3 bucks you can get coffee.

    My point is all this wailing, which is reaching fever our pitch, is misplaced and misguided.

    It absolutely can not be argued that POC were not given candidates of color.


    I (none / 0) (#33)
    by FlJoe on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:21:27 AM EST
    think she did the right thing dropping out now and putting her remaining political capital in the bank for future use.

    Another immediate benefit is that she will be fully on deck for the prosecution of tRump in the Senate.

    Sorry I was (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:26:48 AM EST
    Think you are in he wrong thread here

    How about Vice President Harris.

    It would a waking (if not moral or honest) response to Stop&Frisk


    Also (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:29:10 AM EST
    Law and order is under appreciated as motivation

    Something Bloomberg (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:31:07 AM EST
    Understands well

    She (none / 0) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:35:40 AM EST
    would be an appealing running mate, especially if an old white guy at the top of the ticket.

    Biden/Abrams (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:55:54 AM EST

    You know what I honestly don't know


    To be clear (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:58:09 AM EST
    I would vote for Biden/Abrams, hoping fir Devine intervention.

    But I don't know who would win.


    To me (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 07:46:38 PM EST
    Harris would be of more benefit to Bloomberg than Biden but what do I know? Bloomberg is already eating into Biden's numbers.

    Trivial math... (none / 0) (#41)
    by desertswine on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 10:32:34 PM EST
    Bloomberg + Biden + Bernie + Warren = 302 in yrs.

    Revel in the diversity (1.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 08:53:49 AM EST
    A Jew, a Catholic, a Socialist, and "the first woman of color" on the Harvard professoriate.

    and for the first (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:51:52 AM EST
    time ever a president that used his office for bribery and extortion of a foreign government for his own personal gain.

    two of these categories are not the same (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by leap on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 10:07:56 AM EST

    The Democratic Primary (none / 0) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 11:44:04 AM EST
    Is not the "mess",  nor is it a sign, as some of the media are wont,  of the Democratic Party being in "disarray."   It is, in my view, the complicated analysis going on in the minds of the voters: the imperative of beating Trump and the choice of a candidate on the basis of preferred or some disfavored policy or policies.  

    The rules have been set up for the primary debates and applied across the board.  It seems a little late for candidate challenges.  Indeed,  Senator Harris dropped out despite having qualified for the December debate.

    The complexity of voters' thinking, at this point, is manifest by current polling that suggests demographic profiles do not necessarily coincide with their own. For example, Biden's support from black Democrats is way greater than Harris or Booker.  Biden and Sanders do better among Latinos than Castro.  Sanders does better than Buttigieg with younger voters (under age 35). Some gay Democrats are looking to more liberal candidates.

    Money never hurts, but it alone will not carry the day. Democrats would like to focus on issues such as prescription drug prices and health care, but they are smart and recognize the threats to democracy, not to mention the futility of discussing matters like health care or voting rights when the Trump and Republican plan is to take away, not add, to the public heath and welfare.

    I think many (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 02:43:19 PM EST
    are frustrated including myself that the oldest candidates are the top 3 2 of which would be serving as president when 80!!! years old and the way the candidates have run their campaigns. I keep hoping that one of the lower tier candidates will catch fire but honestly it's probably wishful thinking on my part. I just am not convinced that Warren or Biden has the mettle to go against the GOP and Bernie would be slaughtered in a general election.

    That being said, the electorate seems to be somewhat fluid in their support of candidates. The fact that Steyer and Bloomberg are getting any votes at all especially Steyer is kind of shocking to me.