Saturday Open Thread

I'm sorry for disappearing this past week but I'm recovering from two broken ribs, one that happened two weeks after I broke the first. Neither has a particularly compelling or funny story behind it, so I'll spare you the details -- other than to say it's hard to find a comfortable position for blogging. It's not the sitting but the getting up that's the killer.

Thanks to Fishcamp for reminding me it was time for a new open thread -- I promise to be more attentive as my sore ribs recover.

It's not too late to share your Thanksgiving menus and stories about how you spent the holiday, so feel free to do so. Also, if you found any great Black Friday deals, I'd like to hear about them. I forgot all about it today and didn't buy anything --- but since I also didn't spend anything, I'm not sure that's a bad thing!

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I hope you feel better soon, Jeralyn. (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 03:25:56 AM EST
    I can definitely relate, as I just got out of my walking boot/cast after six weeks with a broken leg, and I'm temporarily back on crutches as I get used to putting weight back on it. Growing old ain't for sissies, as my self-described "80-something" mother likes to remind me. Hang in there.

    but... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by jmacWA on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 05:02:08 AM EST
    Growing old ain't for sissies

    It beats the heck out of the alternative


    At least (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Zorba on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 04:01:55 PM EST
    We're on the right side of the grass.

    Can't disagree with you there. (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 06:22:34 AM EST
    jmacWA: "It beats the heck out of the alternative."

    I'd rather be picking daisies than to pushing them up.



    Sorry about your injury J. (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 02:38:06 PM EST
    Get better fast.

    Take it easy, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Zorba on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 03:58:39 PM EST
    And heal, Jeralyn!  We all missed you.

    Within the last year, (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 09:47:07 PM EST
    one son-in-law has been diagnosed with celiac (which requires a gluten-free diet) and one daughter has developed a terrible reaction to dairy. We (by which I really mean my awesome wife) adjusted the traditional Thanksgiving dinner (for ten; eight adults, and two grands under two) around these two restrictions surprisingly well. Stuffing cooked outside the turkey, for example. Butter substitute (olive-oil based) wherever butter was called for. Oat "milk" for milk where needed. I was amazed at how well it all turned out, frankly. And little ones are such fun, when you're not responsible for them 24/7/365.

    So I see (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 05:24:08 PM EST
    Biden has a bus with No Malarkey on the side of it. Truly this is just sad.

    That should get him the (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 02:30:19 PM EST
    whippersnapper vote.

    My sons are 20 & 18. (none / 0) (#53)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 03:56:12 PM EST
    They decided this weekend that they want to vote for him for the entertainment value he would provide.

    "Malarkey" is a word that has now become (none / 0) (#69)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 12:13:15 PM EST
    quite popular with my kids. Though probably not quite the way Biden intended.

    G0d help us! (none / 0) (#81)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:43:12 PM EST
    The story about "Corn Pop" and Biden's "hairy legs" weren't enough? They want more?

    they want to vote for him for the entertainment value he would provide

    That picture of him biting his wife's finger at a rally is just freakin' weird. It might be cute when he does it at home but that's where it needs to stay.


    "I love kids jumpin' on my lap." (none / 0) (#83)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 04:10:44 PM EST
    I believe my kids are being farcical.

    Biden's campaign is the (none / 0) (#71)
    by desertswine on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 12:49:50 PM EST
    Cat's Pajamas.  Twenty-three skidoo!

    Cuz he's a hepcat. The bee's knees. (none / 0) (#78)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:20:24 PM EST
    I think Sen. Warren should counter it ... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 07:34:10 PM EST
    ... with a "Turn On, Tune In and Drop Out" tour, with free lids of weed, tie-dyed t-shirts and Jefferson Airplane "Surrealistic Pillow" CDs for the first 1,000 people in attendance.

    WATCHMEN (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 08:43:46 PM EST

    I hate it when the trap door clicker F's up

    Another mind-blowing final minute! (none / 0) (#39)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 08:26:26 AM EST
    I can't be watching every episode over again or I'll never get to His Dark Materials!

    I watched The Irishman over the weekend too. I was glad I watched it at home - not sure I would have lasted in the same theater seat for the length of it, but I thought it was great. Held my interest the whole time - you know something really bad is going to happen between the 3 main characters but watching it unfold was intriguing.  Pacino went over the top just a couple of times, but maybe Hoffa was really like that sometimes. Pesci deserves an Oscar IMO. DeNiro was merely perfect as usual.  Seeing extended scenes with all of them was worth the time.  

    Also thought the aging technology was just amazing. That is going to open up so many possibilities for filmmakers that can afford it.


    This whole kerfuffle recently (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 09:44:55 AM EST
    With the "serious film makers" whining about how super hero movies have taken over the multiplexes has a factor I did not see being discussed.  Something I have talked about for a long time.  Not in terms of theaters not having "serious" movies but about them choosing to not have R rated movies because it seriously cuts the opening weekend.

    The result of which have been the Golden Age of TV.  Grown up entertainment have moved to premium cable and streaming.

    Irishman is a good example.

    Adapt or die.


    I gotta say (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 09:45:39 AM EST
    I was not expecting the elephant

    Although (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 12:24:34 PM EST
    I DID notice, obsessive I am, in a previous vignette Lady served him tea (or something) in a cup with an elaborate elephant head handle.  So, I thought ok, elephants.

    Like Chekhov's elephant.  I expected elephants.

    Just not at that moment.

    I love this show.


    I loved the elephant (none / 0) (#64)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 08:04:37 AM EST
    Since elephants never forget, what better host for memories? But yeah, I never dreamed they'd go there!

    OK. I caught up last night. (none / 0) (#104)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 08:06:14 AM EST
    For some odd reason, when I saw the elephant, all I could think of was the Primus song Southbound Pachyderm. It starting playing in my head, over and over.

    2 more (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 08:11:56 AM EST
    God I hope it gets another season.  This week is the Angela/Manhattan backstory.  The title is

    A God Walks into Abar


    Season 2 (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 08:32:26 AM EST
    Damon Lindelof Might Not Return for `Watchmen' Season 2 (If There is a Season 2)

    We knew this season was conceived and written to be a stand alone story


    I saw an interview with Scorsese and De Niro. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 12:47:54 PM EST
    In addition to the aging / de-aging technology that was employed in "The Irishman," De Niro admitted that Scorsese had to hire a choreographer for himself, Pacino and Pesci to work on their movements and re-train the three septuagenarians to step livelier for those flashback scenes of them as their younger selves. De-aging an actor on film to look like he's 40 isn't going to be very convincing onscreen if the guy's still moving like he's 75.

    Speaking of great movies, we saw "Knives Out" this weekend. That whodunit was really a lot of fun to watch, with a crisp plotline that moved briskly and lots of witty and snappy dialogue. The entire cast was superb. Christopher Plummer was as good as always, and this is obviously just my opinion but I think Jamie Lee Curtis is really a much better actor than either of her parents ever were.

    I was also impressed with Daniel Craig, who was appropriately over the top in an over-the-top role as the private detective, and laying on the Southern accent so thick at times that one exasperated murder suspect called him Foghorn Leghorn or something to that effect.

    "Knives Out" is definitely worth a look if you're looking to escape the holiday madness for a few hours.



    If we are talking about coming attractions (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 12:54:06 PM EST

    That's just the trailer but the buzz is serious.  Do a google. A buddy swears he is going to send me a pirated  DVD.

    It's looking to blitz the oscars because the fact it's all done as one 2 hour take is not a gimmick


    I'm really looking forward to '1917.' (none / 0) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 04:47:33 PM EST
    Did you see "They Shall Not Grow Old," director Peter Jackson's documentary about the First World War with the restored and colorized footage? That was phenomenal.

    I thought the "young" (none / 0) (#50)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 02:22:35 PM EST
    De Niro makeup was awful. He looked plastic. But the movie was good. I watched it the Saturday night it came out.

    It wasn't make-up. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 04:39:26 PM EST
    It was technology. Personally, I thought they did a pretty good job at capturing De Niro's age from "Goodfellas" and "Casino," when he was in his 50s. The years when his character Frank Sheeran was supposed to be 40 and younger, I would agree that it became a wee bit of a stretch.

    I agree (none / 0) (#73)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 01:32:12 PM EST
    Good film overall, but the makeup/technology was often distracting.  

    When Casino first came out I thought it was good but nothing special.  After seeing it a few more times, I now consider it a near masterpiece.  Perhaps, I'll grow to appreciate The Irishman the same way.


    "Casino" was very good. (none / 0) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:38:30 AM EST
    Sharon Stone received a well-deserved Best Actress Oscar nomination for her ferocious performance as Robert De Niro's gold-digging trophy wife, which garnered her a lot of respect from film critics and  allowed her to finally live down her notoriety from "Basic Instinct" -- which, BTW, I thought was an absolutely wretched movie, even though Stone was the best thing about it. Why people considered Joe Eszterhas to be a brilliant screenwriter, I'll never know. His work product was never anything more than pulp cinema, schlocky plots with dark misogynistic undercurrents.

    "Young" De Niro is, at one point, (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 03:52:35 PM EST
    punching another guy. I think the guy was a store owner that disrespected his daughter or something.

    Anyway, regardless of the choreographer and Benjamin Button software, it was clearly a very old man attempting to throw punches.


    Yeah, that was one scene where ... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 04:33:05 PM EST
    ... no amount of choreography was going to hide the fact that Robert De Niro is an elderly man. Director Scorsese would have been well advised to cast a younger stand-in for De Niro to throw the punches and stomp on the guy's hand, and then shoot that scene from another angle and audience perspective.

    I'd have placed the camera behind Frank Sheeran (De Niro's character), inside the store looking out, as he first throws the grocer through the glass door and then assaults him while Sheeran's young daughter looks on horrified. That way, the audience would clearly see what subsequently happens in the scene, while the identity of the stand-in as filmed from behind wouldn't necessarily be noticeable.

    On the other hand, I'm also not Martin Scorsese. My version of "The Irishman" would likely turn out to be the mob movie equivalent of "Plan 9 From Outer Space."



    Ha!True. in the commentary video they talked (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 08:07:28 AM EST
    about having to keep reminding the actors they were supposed to be playing younger men in certain scenes and were forgetting to be more 'spry'.

    isn't Don Johnson (none / 0) (#94)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 02:03:16 AM EST
    in that movie? I haven't seen it but I saw him on James Corden a few weeks ago and I thought he was in it.

    Yes, Don Johnson is in 'Knives Out.' (none / 0) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:11:49 AM EST
    He's cast in the role of Don Johnson, who's also Jamie Lee Curtis's husband. ;-D

    Okay, that was snarky. Johnson's actually pretty good as an obnoxious nouveau-riche patrician who married into money, and thinks that somehow makes him a self-made man.

    I think you'll like the film. It's not going to win any awards but then, it doesn't have to. It works entirely on its own level and succeeds.



    I stand corrected. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:49:23 AM EST
    DfromHI: "['Knives Out' is] not going to win any awards but then, it doesn't have to. It works entirely on its own level and succeeds."

    The National Board of Review tonight just gave "Knives Out" its 2019 award for Best Ensemble cast.


    Well that's the way (none / 0) (#116)
    by fishcamp on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 01:35:42 PM EST
    Don Johnson acts all the time in real life.  He and Melanie lived in Aspen during their second marriage and we went to several parties out at his Buffalo Wallet Ranch...stupid name.  She was great but sadly he was always a jerk.

    Don Johnson (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 07:27:42 AM EST
    Is in WATCHMEN.  And he great in it.

    in the mirror fun-house. Brilliant.

    Indeed. A very under-rated actor. (none / 0) (#109)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 11:04:34 AM EST
    We just watched episodes 5 & 6 last night. Friggin love hthis show.

    1975 (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 11:08:50 AM EST
    A Boy and his Dog

    Somewhat overlooked IMO

    maybe one of the 5 best low budget Sci-fi movies ever made.


    Huh. I will add that to my list. (none / 0) (#112)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 11:13:29 AM EST
    Wow. Haven't seen that title in awhile. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 11:48:08 AM EST
    Yes. A Boy and His Dog is great. You should read the Harlan Ellison book. I read it not knowing it had been made into a movie.

    Interesting bit (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:46:13 PM EST
    James Cagney (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 04:06:29 PM EST
    offered to do the voice of the dog and they turned him down? Were they nuts?

    Have you seen it? (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 04:11:57 PM EST
    The dog makes the movie.  And the voice is perfect.  Cagneys voice would have made it a whole other thing.  

    I totally agree with what he said about that.


    I haven't seen it (none / 0) (#124)
    by jondee on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 04:17:32 PM EST
    I wonder what Ellison thought about having Cagney do it.

    My LTE in today's paper (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 08:28:55 AM EST
    I get two or three LTEs published every month.  Most are one to three sentences, since brevity helps you get into print.

    Today's was uncharacteristically long.  Here it is.

    Trump is assaulting patriotic public servants

    The "new normal" is that the president of the United States can issue dozens of personal insults and slanderous lies about formerly anonymous, dedicated and intelligent public servants with impeccable records stretching back decades. This outrageous assault on the veracity, character and patriotism of people who are willing to speak under oath in a public forum would be actionable if issued from any other source but the bully pulpit.

    To Donald Trump supporters, it's just "Trump being Trump," but a mystery to the rest of us why the leader of the free world spends his valuable time on pettiness that is beneath anyone's dignity and would result in civil action if done by anyone else. I would be grateful if someone who admires Trump and accepts this behavior could explain how it unites the country, advances the national agenda and inspires the millions of government employee "troops" that he leads.

    Hope you feel better soon Jeralyn! (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by ruffian on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 08:32:13 AM EST
    I was afraid an ice patch got you last week. I'm waiting to take my fall.

    I had a nice Thanksgiving day with friends. We had a Cajun Chef Turducken. It was delicious - nice to have a little duck layer in all that turkey and chicken. Then ate leftovers all weekend.

    I really needed the downtime - back into the fray this morning....ugh.

    I try not to drive in the snow (none / 0) (#95)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 02:07:53 AM EST
    although sometimes it's unavoidable. But ice really scares me. Even with a 4 wheel drive Jeep.

    I never heard of the Cajun Chef Turducken but I just googled it and it looks really good -- thanks for the tip!


    Ice is scary (none / 0) (#130)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 12:18:14 PM EST
    I used to drive in snow all the time when we lived in Utah.  (And that was in a rear-wheel drive car.)
    But ice- I hate ice.  Even with a four wheel drive.  As Son Zorba always says, "Four wheel drive doesn't mean four wheel stop."
    I hope you are feeling better, Jeralyn!

    Having now lived in Hawaii for 33 years, ... (none / 0) (#131)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 01:29:58 PM EST
    ... I really haven't had much experience driving in winter conditions. Here on the Big Island at upper elevations of 8,000 ft.-plus along the Saddle Highway between Hilo and Kona, we do get occasional winter warnings. But I tend to avoid going up that way at those times.

    But one time about 25 years ago when I was in northern Illinois in December, I was driving on a clear night along Old McHenry Road through the village of Long Grove in Lake County, where there was a 4-way stop in the middle of town where McHenry Road intersects with Long Grove Road.

    I was going about 20-25 mph and as I approached the intersection and stop sign, I naturally slowed down. And about 15-20 feet from the intersection when I was breaking to come to a full stop, I hit a big patch of black ice and literally did a slow-motion slide / 360-degree spin right through the intersection.

    Fortunately, there was absolutely nobody else on the road anywhere near my vicinity and I didn't hit any immovable object, staying in the middle of the road. But it sure got my heart racing.



    Poor Melania (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 05:01:30 PM EST
    Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) ... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 05:23:05 PM EST
    ... is scheduled to appear in federal court Tuesday morning in San Diego, where he's agreed to plead guilty to one count of felony fraud (out of 60). He'll also resign his seat in Congress and will likely spend some time as a guest of the federal corrections system.

    Good riddance.

    Worth noting I believe (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 11:32:58 AM EST
    That Hunter and another republican Collins were D J T's first elected official official endorsements, just before The Elf now on the shelf's.  

    Worth noting because they are both now ... well ...

    I'll let Rachel explain


    If you hate the (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 11:37:38 AM EST
    "Windeups" as much as me it's 3 minutes in

    US District Judge Jackson (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 05:26:14 PM EST
    denied DOJ's request to stay her order that former WH counsel, Don McGahn, obey a House subpoena while it is being appealed.  "it is clear that the public interest lies in avoiding any harm to the Judiciary Committee that might result   from a stay of this Court's order".

    What to make of this? (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 09:23:00 AM EST
    Washington Post: Barr 'disagrees' with DOJ watchdog report that says Russia probe was justified

    And the best invertebrate Democrats can manage is to say this is "disappointing".

    Facts (none / 0) (#67)
    by FlJoe on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 09:44:26 AM EST
    do not matter in the age of tRumpism.

    There is only one truism left, the Republicans will lie and they will cheat and more than likely they will get away with it.


    Harris is officially out (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by CST on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 12:14:59 PM EST
    I really hate this primary.   Something tells me I'm going to hate the general even more.

    Me too. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:05:01 PM EST
    Me too.

    Add me to the list. I have started to tune out (none / 0) (#82)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:49:01 PM EST
    for the most part.
    I am mentally preparing for 4 more years of Tr*mp.

    A terrible outbreak of measles ... (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:44:18 PM EST
    ... has ravaged the Independent State of Samoa (formerly Western Samoa) this past week, which has killed 60 children thus far, afflicted thousands of others and quickly overwhelmed the limited resources of the local health care community. The health crisis is such that the Samoan government has declared a state of emergency, closed all schools, temporarily banned children from public gatherings, and issued an international call for assistance.

    In response, the State of Hawaii has now mounted an unprecedented humanitarian effort through our State Dept. of Health. Under the personal direction of Lt. Gov. Josh Green (a practicing ER physician), a task force of 80 medical personnel arrived in Samoa on Tuesday, where they are seeking to effectively inoculate the country's entire population of children under age 18 and thus contain the epidemic by Saturday.

    Hawaiian Airlines further volunteered one of its aircraft, manned by a volunteer flight and cabin crew, to ferry Lt. Gov. Green's team to Apia, along with emergency medical supplies and equipment and 50-60,000 doses of MMRV vaccine. Once there, airline personnel have since remained on the ground to augment the medical personnel and provide assistance as needed. Everyone is scheduled to return to Honolulu Sunday.

    It's important to note that measles is still quite common in many parts of the world, especially in the South Pacific region. And because the airborne virus is only a plane ride away from Hawaii (and anywhere else, for that matter), the current outbreak is of serious concern to State health officials, which prompted the quick dispatch of the DOH task force to Apia.

    Once someone is infected with measles, there is no treatment or antibiotics for the illness besides lots of fluids and anti-inflammatory medicine to keep the fever down while the virus runs its course. Common complications of measles include encephalitis and pneumonia, and that's what can prove fatal.

    There is a lot of misinformation about vaccines out there in the marketplace of ideas, which has discouraged a lot of parents in the United States from inoculating their kids, and that's all it takes for these deadly viruses to regain a foothold and spread.

    So, let's please not take anything for granted this holiday season. Make sure your children and grandchildren are vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella and varicella (hence the vaccine acronym MMRV), and further encourage others in your respective communities to do likewise.


    USA Today | December 6, 2019
    4 dead in Pensacola Navy base shooting, including gunman who was a Saudi national - "The suspect in a shooting at Naval Air Station Pensacola on Friday morning was a Saudi national, according to two people familiar with the investigation. The FBI has taken the lead in the investigation, though there has been no immediate determination on whether the shooting was terror related, the sources told USA TODAY. The shooting -- the second in a week at a U.S. Navy base -- left four dead, including the suspect, and seven people wounded."

    The other Navy base shooting this week occurred at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Honolulu.

    I think this would be a good time to remind everyone that as of this writing at 9:25 a.m. HST (2:25 p.m. EST) on Friday, December 6, 2019, 36,520 people in the United States have lost their lives and another 27,413 have been injured thus far this year as a result of gun violence. Of those casualty numbers, 3,417 were children under the age of 18.
    (Source: Gun Violence Archive)

    Thoughts and prayers, y'all. Thoughts and prayers. :-(  

    Barr's attempt to resume executions for (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 08:59:21 PM EST
    federal cases is on hold for now, as the Supreme Court refused to vacate the stay issued in the District of Columbia. Congrats to my friends at the nationally-renowned Capital Habeas Unit of the Federal Community Defender for Eastern Pennsylvania, who represent two of the four federal prisoners presently at risk of execution.

    Very cool (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 08:00:03 AM EST
    The Size of Space

    and if you have even more time to waste

    The Deep Sea

    Why am I (5.00 / 4) (#167)
    by Zorba on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 12:14:26 PM EST
    Thinking of fried calamari, and ginger and scallion crab legs all of a sudden?  ;-)

    I can hardly conceive (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by Peter G on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 01:35:37 PM EST
    of better things to be thinking of.

    Today's "Drop the Mic" Moment: (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 03:29:49 AM EST
    "You're no good,
    You're no good,
    You're no good,
    Baby, you're no good."
    - Linda Ronstadt, "You're No Good" (Heart Like a Wheel, 1975)

    Now, this amusing but otherwise unverified story comes from the Democratic Underground website, so please consider the source.

    Reportedly, when introducing Linda Ronstadt at a State Dept. dinner for this year's Kennedy Center honorees, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo quipped aloud to the audience, "When will I be loved?"

    Unamused, Ms. Ronstadt retorted, "Maybe when you stop enabling Donald Trump."


    The Washington Post has the story (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Peter G on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 07:02:32 PM EST
    Seems like it's true. I love Linda Ronstadt.

    That (none / 0) (#171)
    by KeysDan on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 12:02:19 PM EST
    would be a start.

    The best part (none / 0) (#174)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 09:55:07 AM EST
    ... was the audience response, first some gasps, followed by growing applause,  finally by cheers.

    I really hope there's video of this.


    I am thinking (5.00 / 4) (#194)
    by Zorba on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 03:14:27 PM EST
    That we may hear Trump and his minions' heads exploding.
    Time Magazine named Greta Thunberg "Person of the Year."

    Simply Nancy Pelosi. (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 03:16:40 PM EST
    In an interview with actress Olivia Wilde for the Hollywood Reporter, Madame Speaker is taking names and kicking a$$:

    "I've said to many of my friends in the press, 'You're accomplices, whether you want to be or not,' [and they say,] 'If he's saying it, then it's news.' I don't think it's news, but it monopolizes the airwaves. So there is a lot of responsibility to go around in terms of the creation of whatever that is in the White House."

    Worth a read.

    How is (none / 0) (#196)
    by Zorba on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 03:37:07 PM EST
    Your leg (and your walking) doing, Donald?

    I'm doing well. (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 05:50:44 PM EST
    Thank you for asking. I'm walking without crutches now, and have been exercising every day. The area of the leg where the break occurred is still somewhat swollen, but the doctor said that's due to accompanying soft-tissue damage, and that everything has otherwise been healing nicely.

    Hope everything is well with you. It's a warm, cloudy and rainy day here in Hilo, which is typical this time of year. We'll be hosting the family for the holidays, and Elder Daughter is expecting again, her third child and son who's due in early April. She and the family arrive from Honolulu on the 20th.

    Younger Daughter is living in the town of Waimea on the north side of the island, about 60 miles from Hilo, where she teaches first grade. But she doesn't have a car (yet), so when school breaks for XMas next week we'll have to drive up and get her. When my mother arrives from L.A. on the 24th, we'll have a full household for a week.

    All the nonsense in D.C. aside, this is going to be a good Christmas.


    Ouch (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 06:46:14 AM EST
    Welcome back

    The only Black Friday sale I did was at my local dispensary

    It was absolutely packed and I arrived at the opening bell.

    I love visiting the dispensary (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 10:36:11 AM EST
    What an unusual slice of humanity you meet.

    My impression is if there was, like, a zombie apocalypse these are the people you would meet after because they would survive.
    Not ever necessarily those you would choose to befriend  (yesterday there was a Nathan Lane old queen entertaining the redneck survivalists) but that's what they do.

    Remember where I am


    Jeraly (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 07:15:34 AM EST
    I am so sorry to hear about your broken ribs! My stepfather broke his twice in a year once by falling in the yard and another time in a collision with a child riding a bike. I hope recovery for you goes smoothly.

    The other Wall (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 08:23:08 AM EST
    Interesting bit with stuff I didn't know.  IMO The Wall is a masterpiece

    `The Wall' cemented Pink Floyd's fame - but destroyed the band

    Forty years ago, on Nov. 30, 1979, the English progressive rock band Pink Floyd released its 11th studio album, "The Wall."

    In other trivia

    incredibly, this man is NOT wearing a hat

    Supposedly, "The Wall" was (none / 0) (#9)
    by cpinva on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    Roger Waters letting his dad know how pissed he was at him, for marching off to war, and getting himself killed, when Roger was but a babe in arms. that his father was in the army, and got orders, didn't volunteer to go off and get killed, apparently went right by Roger.

    Jeralyn, sorry to hear of your mishaps, hope your patched up and feeling better soon.

    I brought two cheesecakes to Thanksgiving, one cherry, one peach, made in my brand new, covered Nordic Ware pie pans. these bad boys are nearly indestructible! and the cheesecake was good too.


    After hours of research I finally decided (none / 0) (#6)
    by McBain on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 09:54:24 AM EST
    which washing machine to buy.  My current one lasted about 25 years so I didn't really know what the options were.  I decided on a high efficiency top loader with an agitator. Almost went with the impeller version but the reviews scared me off.  

    It's supposed to be delivered today but they won't install without new hoses.  So I bought hoses but there was a mix up and they got shipped desperately and won't be here until later in the week!  We'll see what happens today. Lots of phone calls, a little bit of stress but if it gets settled today without me having to set food in an actual store, it will be worth it.

    Also thinking about buying surround sound system. I have a decent sound bar but not the real deal.  Anyone have an opinion on if a full five speaker set up is really worth it? I tend to watch older dramas, not current action films with loud explosions.    

    Get well Jeralyn

    Get well soon. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Nov 30, 2019 at 10:06:58 AM EST
    Be careful not to overstress those ribs.

    Mark Penn is working for Trump (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 07:28:34 AM EST
    As a long time Clinton supporter the hardest thing for me to take has always been their strange entanglement with really really vile people.

    Could they seriously not find better help than Dick Morris and Mark Penn.  among others.

    He's never been a fan of impeachment, but he's an expert on the process and the politics, having helped President Clinton navigate his way through a highly partisan impeachment in 1999. Now pollster Mark Penn is sharing his strategy--and his polling data--with President Trump, assuring him, in an account of their meeting first reported by The Washington Post, that the Republican-controlled Senate will not remove him from office.


    I Would Have Told Trump (none / 0) (#16)
    by RickyJim on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 08:34:03 AM EST
    You won't be removed by the Senate unless your financial records come to light early next year and show a high degree of fraud.  And then it will still be a 50-50 proposition.

    It does not matter to me (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 08:49:23 AM EST
    ...whether or not Trump is convicted by the Senate. It is the duty of the House to bring the charges.

    The police officer's job is to arrest and charge the miscreant, which the House is doing. The police have no authority to let a criminal go just because he has a good lawyer.

    To use another analogy, it is a soldier's duty to fight the battle he is in, not to decide whether or not to fight it based on the odds of winning.


    Very unlikely he will be (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 09:01:51 AM EST
    I don't think it's even been about that for a long time.  It's about putting the crimes on display.  It's not about votes in the senate it's about votes in Nov 20.

    Talking to some of my Trumper relatives last week it struck me what they seem to be most upset about is that the democrats are forcing them to look at it.  Forcing them to look at what they are supporting.  About the democrats flipping trump over and exposing the rancid underbelly.  

    They really hate this.  They don't care about anything Trump does as long as it pi$$es us off. But they don't like the public hearings.  I think it's getting embarrassing for them.  After all their things is they are the best Christians.  Every day that claim becomes more likely to get a giggle


    It's really too (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 09:57:52 AM EST
    late. Evangelicals have been exposed for who they are to most Americans. Now it's about them realizing they have been exposed to the entire country.

    For some reason I see the same massive upset about the impeachment hearings from that group. I never understood why they were so upset because all Schiff has been doing is putting forward exactly what Trump has been doing and did. I guess the fact that it is an impeachment hearing requires that the conservative news bubble report on it and can't pretend and lie like they have been about everything else.


    Nobody likes to look at ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 04:56:51 PM EST
    ... a mirror image of themselves as they really are. Far better, GOP white wingbats argue, that they be allowed to continue embracing their delusional fantasies. What they're not grasping intellectually is that those delusions have instead caught them in a political death grip.

    And also (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 09:05:38 AM EST
    About making him the most damaged standard bearer for a major party probably in history.

    We shouldn't really want him removed.   It would just give republicans a fig leaf talking point against all they have done the last three years.


    The whole (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 09:52:28 AM EST
    obsession from Republicans with Bill and Hillary is just bizarre. They claim to hate them with a passion which I think they do and yet they hire their consultants.

    At the correspondent's dinner (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:11:31 PM EST
    when Clinton was President, Norm McDonald said "Larry Flynt is here..Dick Morris is here..the list just gets worse and worse, doesn't it?"

    The Clintons employing Penn and Morris is like a football team ignoring the fact that a player is a degenerate because he's great football player.

    Win at all costs, in other words.


    That is a little hard on Hillary (none / 0) (#27)
    by MKS on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:24:11 PM EST
    Penn was last part of her team in 2008.  Hard to pin Penn on her now.

    One word: Kissinger (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jondee on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:59:07 PM EST
    I think I'll just pin that one on her, if it's alright.

    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:29:20 PM EST
    Well, to say Hillary (none / 0) (#34)
    by MKS on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 07:24:39 PM EST
    is responsible for what Penn does in 2019.  Eleven years later, she is still responsible for Penn?

    I never said she was (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 07:37:10 PM EST
    But if you look at that link you will see he goes way back with the Clintons.  It's not like he was hired as her campaign manager as a one off.

    They have a history of hanging with people who suck.   Penn is not the only one.  Sorry.  


    And, foremost in the history (none / 0) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 10:10:46 AM EST
    of hanging with people who suck is Dick Morris. His toe scandal did him in, and he turned on the Clinton's.  

    Bad day for Cheeto (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:34:30 PM EST
    Oops (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:36:39 PM EST
    Replied to the wrong comment but we know what I mean

    Hey Ga6th (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 08:47:49 AM EST
    Just watching Doug Collins on FOX.  As we discussed offline Trump is trying to force Kemp to appoint him instead of a woman who Kemp probably thinks has a better chance of winning next year.

    This will happen in the next few days.  It wasn't really clear what he was threatening if Kemp passes over him.

    I couldn't tell if he was threatening to run against her in a primary or primary Kemp one day or what.
    But it does not sound like the Turd Reich is going to take being ignored laying down.

    Collins is on the committee in the spotlight next week so it appears he is the new Gym Jordon.

    I'm not sure (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 10:02:58 AM EST
    what Collins is going to do but it is likely that Loeffler will have a primary opponent next year simply because she's appointed by Kemp.

    Kemp has been lying down with dogs so he's gonna get up with fleas and the fleas that are going to continue to bite him are the Trumpers that he owes his governorship to. You know if he had run a normal campaign and won he wouldn't be having these problems but he brought all of this on himself. His reputation is he's not too bright.


    Seems notable (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 10:10:28 AM EST
    That this right fringe a-hole who used his office as SOS to steal the election from Stacy Abrams and didn't really even seem to care much who knew it, Kemp, is smart enough to understand they got trouble.   That if he picks a Trumpsucking clown like himself they will lose.

    He understands this enough to invite the wrath of Cheeto.


    I'm not sure (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 02:04:35 PM EST
    he understands it or whether one of his advisors or the GA GOP has drilled this into his head. However Trump's numbers are not good in GA and I'm sure Kemp can read the polls.

    The main difference is Loeffler might have a chance of winning but Collins definitely would lose. I can't imagine Loeffler winning either. Generally Atlanta Republicans have a very hard time winning statewide because they do poorly in South Georgia. The irony is that Collins is qualified while Loeffler is not and that is going to really tick off some Trumpers that an unqualified woman is being picked over a qualified male.


    Looks like (none / 0) (#54)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 04:14:17 PM EST
    Kemp will appoint Kelly Loeffler.   Kemp et. al. believe a conservative woman will stanch the flow of suburban women to Democrats.  They must be being advised by the lovely Karen Handel.

    BREAKING NEWS (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:45:46 PM EST
    Joe Sestak announced that he is dropping out of the 2020 presidential race

    I did not (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:54:04 PM EST
    even know he was running until the other day. Now when are all the other also rans like Deblasio dropping out?

    Sestak would have done better on the debate stage (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 04:55:05 PM EST
    than several of those who "made it" there, if he could ever have gotten his campaign off the ground. I supported him for Senate in PA a few years ago.

    I live in PA (none / 0) (#37)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Dec 01, 2019 at 10:57:01 PM EST
    and had no clue Sestak was running for President. I supported him for Senate.

    Who? (none / 0) (#38)
    by desertswine on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 01:06:05 AM EST
    Sestak joins (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 12:47:30 PM EST
    Steve Bullock who also dropped out. Rather than running for the US Senate in Montana, where is has a good chance, he chose the presidential race. Apparently, Delaney is still in.  

    Joe Sestak? (none / 0) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 05:03:19 PM EST
    Didn't he used to be somebody?

    A test coming up for the Supreme Court. (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 02, 2019 at 01:45:38 PM EST
    And the democracy. In October, an appeals court held, in Trump v Mazars, that Trump's accounting firm must hand over Trump's financials (tax records) to the House Oversight Committee.

    Trump asked the Supreme Court for a stay which was granted last Monday along with an order that the case move forward with a petition asking the Court to hear the case by December 5, 2019.

    The Supreme Court could decide not to take the case and let the lower court findings stand (Trump to hand over tax returns). It takes four of the nine justices to accept a case (Rule of Four to grant Certiorari).  

    In my opinion, the Supreme Court is likely to take the case, although it does not seem to involve any serious Constitutional question. While, of course, different situations, there are the precedents in a general way, of US v Nixon and Clinton v Jones.

    Among possibilities, if the case is taken, are that the appeals court was generally right, but there is a technical flaw--redo it and get back to us sometime in 2021; decide to let the House see the returns; or find, somehow, to prevent House access to the tax returns and, in that process, dishonor the Court.

    In accord with Trump's actions (and, by happenstance Putin's hopes) there have been attempts to damage our institutions, with some success.

     The military, with pardons of war criminals; the US Senate, with primary threats and other intimidation; the DOJ, his hand-picked AG traveling the world as line investigator to find dirt from allies and others on our own intelligence/law enforcement agencies.

    Not even the integrity of US corporations are immune from Trump's corrosive influence. An example being an inability to stand up to Trump on the simplest of facts: when Trump took credit for opening an Apple Mac Pro computer factory in Texas in operation three years before he took office, and, also, not an Apple plant, but one owned by Flex, a contractor for Apple. Although Tim Apple (aka Cook) was present, he did not so much as gently attempt to set Trump straight.

    Now it is the Supreme's turn on the rule of law.


    Kamala Harris is out. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 12:02:34 PM EST
    Not surprised. I was with Jeralyn on this one. Not fond of prosecutors as elected executives.

    And I am Not Fond of (none / 0) (#85)
    by RickyJim on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 05:09:48 PM EST
    prosecutors (and judges) being elected at all.  Are they civil service (meaning they have to pass tough exams) anywhere in the US?

    no tests after the bar exam (none / 0) (#96)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 02:11:21 AM EST
    What country do you live in? You always ask these kinds of questions, and while I've wondered for years, I'm just now asking. Of course, don't feel like you have to answer because you don't.

    I Live in the US (none / 0) (#108)
    by RickyJim on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 09:03:37 AM EST
    But I don't see why anybody should be annoyed if we consider adopting features of other legal systems.  Why is it quite OK these days to talk about adopting features of the health care system of other countries?

    State bar associations tend to be ... (none / 0) (#125)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 06:23:51 PM EST
    ... very good at peer review, assessment and  policing of their own members. Why create an additional layer of public bureaucracy populated by members of the bar? That's redundant.

    ... sexual misconduct in the workplace is an insidious offense which shouldn't be condoned. But honestly, I've seen few if any real examples until now where the impact of such misconduct upon an organization resulted in a ripple effect of rather devastating consequences, not just for the immediate parties involved but also for the greater community at large:

    Honolulu Civil Beat | December 3, 2019
    Oahu Hospital Struggles In The Wake Of Sexual Misconduct Allegations - "Dr. Jason Chang was the chief medical officer at the Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific in Honolulu. He was fired from the top job in June after two women filed complaints against him for inappropriate conduct and sexual harassment. He quickly sued the hospital. After a judge ruled against him, Chang resigned his physician privileges. Chang's alleged sexual misconduct set off a chain reaction that affected hundreds of patients and continues to hamper the hospital's ability to serve patients."

    Apparently, according to attorney Susan Ichinose, the investigator hired by the hospital to determine what happened, Dr. Chang had been engaged in sexual misconduct for an extensive period of time. The fact that he did so by exploiting his official capacity the hospital's chief medical officer compounded the effect on its staff, eventually resulting in a significant exodus of personnel which -- not surprisingly -- has subsequently crippled hospital operations.

    Sexual misconduct is everybody's concern.

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:40:12 PM EST
    I believe that reporting using the term, "sexual misconduct" harmfully sanitizes these actions.  More explicit descriptions are necessary to underscore the heinous nature of the offense.  For example, the initial impression of Louis CK's sexual offenses seemed to be just a little more than off-color remarks, but took on the seriousness merited when graphically reported.

    And I also agree with you. (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 03:07:18 PM EST
    In the Civil Beat article, as an example, the reporter -- and I assume an editor, as well -- went to extensive lengths to allude to rather than expressly state what one of the complainants had actually alleged, which is that Dr. Chang had forcibly raped her on the hospital premises.

    Until the media -- and we as a society, too, for that matter -- get over this Victorianesque skittishness regarding the use of appropriate sexual terminology to describe what happened in such incidents, the general public will continue to have trouble grasping the true extent and seriousness of the situation.



    Watched Forbidden Planet for the first time (none / 0) (#74)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 01:43:09 PM EST
    a few days ago.  Impressive film, considering it's age (1956). The romance angle is cringe worthy but most of everything else works well. Kinda funny to see a young Leslie Nielsen in a serious role but he does a good job.

    It sometimes gets mistaken for Fantastic Planet which is one of my all time favorites.  Both films are must sees for sci fi fans.  

    Leslie Nielsen's droll comic timing ... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:14:42 PM EST
    ... were only first recognized rather late in his career in the 1980 comedy "Airplane!", in which he, Lloyd Bridges and Robert Stack were specifically cast to spoof their many dramatic (and often one-dimensional) supporting roles in film and on television over the decades. All three of them were good sports about it, and their hilarious performances ended up stealing that movie.

    You left out Peter Graves (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 07:59:49 AM EST
    Thank you for that addition. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 06:30:59 PM EST
    "Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish bath?" LOL!

    You just know that the major movie studios would never approve a script today with dialog like that in it!

    Then again, maybe they would. After all, how else to explain Seth MacFarlane movies?



    I do not recall Forbidden Planet (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 05:01:55 PM EST
    Ever being "mistaken" for Fantastic Planet.

    It's like when people (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by jondee on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 05:58:05 PM EST
    confuse The Incredible Journey with that story about two dogs and a cat exploring the human body in a nano-sized space craft.

    Who can forget... (none / 0) (#93)
    by desertswine on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 10:13:06 PM EST
    Robbie the Robot?  Forbidden Planet seems to be loosely based on Shakespeare's The Tempest.

    Ever since I worked at Digital Domain (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 07:37:38 AM EST
    In the early 90s it has been rumored Cameron was going to remake Forbidden Planet.

    I would love to see that.  It's one that needs a remake


    Ahoy there, fellow libtards! (none / 0) (#75)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 02:00:29 PM EST
    Do we really hate America more than does, say, Russian President Vladimir Putin? Fox News' Tucker Carlson certainly thinks so, and said as much on his show last night.

    May the late Roger Ailes' fat a$$ eternally roast in Hell for having foisted and then encouraged this sort of demented, disgusting and corrosive right-wing propaganda on our public airwaves, which makes one wonder whether Rupert Murdoch's Fox Corporation is itself a beneficiary of Russian money-laundering operations.


    Thanks for the memories (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 06:05:17 PM EST
    The Accidental Experiment That Changed Men's Lives
    The Vietnam draft lotteries functioned as a randomized experiment--which has allowed social scientists to study its life-changing effects.

    On the 50th anniversary of the inaugural draw, the Vietnam lotteries deserve recognition as an unprecedented experiment, and, more important, the individuals affected by them deserve to understand their role in that experiment. Customarily, psychologists and social scientists provide a debriefing to experiment participants, with the aim of explaining the reasons behind the ambiguous tasks they performed. In field experiments, the debriefing fulfills a moral obligation, that people should "know what experiment they are in," as the psychologist Donald Campbell put it. The generation of men who were eligible for the Vietnam lotteries likely did not know they were in an experiment; today, they should. We should stop and consider, for a moment, the vast knowledge gained from the sacrifices and hardships of those who experienced the lotteries: an utterly singular, accidental experiment.

    My draft lottery number (5.00 / 3) (#166)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 07, 2019 at 09:52:02 AM EST
    ...was 1-A, and two years later it was E-5.

    I drew #327, which I referred to ever after (none / 0) (#91)
    by Peter G on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 09:35:11 PM EST
    as my "astrological deferment." It mooted my pending conscientious objector claim. It did not cause me to stop working as a draft counselor for those who were less lucky, or to stop participating in antiwar demonstrations. Nor cause me to lose interest in defending activists when I became a lawyer six or so years later.

    Don't remember the exact number (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 07:30:07 AM EST
    But I think mine was even higher.  I always say I won the lottery the only time it mattered

    I (none / 0) (#107)
    by FlJoe on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 08:47:27 AM EST
    think mine was 289, which was right on the bubble, however it did come up in December of 1970 when I got my notice. I did manage to "fail" my physical.

    286 (none / 0) (#117)
    by jmacWA on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:03:04 PM EST
    In the lottery for 1951 (the second draft lottery).  I let my 2s deferment run out and my final classification was 1H... I think I still have the card someplace :)

    Just checked (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 03:24:04 PM EST
    it was 312

    I was thinking I was in the first one but when I checked I had a very bad number.  So I realized I had to be the next year.


    Supposedly the lottery (none / 0) (#135)
    by MKS on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:11:02 PM EST
    was more fair than leaving it up to local draft boards, which were influenced by all sorts of things and people.

    Sure it was (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:37:09 PM EST
    It snagged rich and poor even if the rich could usually avoid it.  

    It made war something everyone cared about.  That's why they got rid of it.

    They figured out pretty quick the smart way to avoid those inconvenient massive anti war demonstrations was create an all volunteer military that drew much more heavily on the economic classes that needed financial help and greatly reduced the pool of voters directly effected by war.

    Problem solved.


    When I was drafted (none / 0) (#92)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 10:03:13 PM EST
    ...in 1966, everybody was a lottery winner.

    Three things before I die (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 06:57:09 PM EST
    Discovery of life off the earth

    Legal marijuana

    Flying cars

    2 down

    World's First `Fly & Drive' Car To Make Miami Debut

    Does bacteria count (none / 0) (#89)
    by CST on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 08:21:21 PM EST
    Or would it have to be sentient in some way?

    Single cell (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 03, 2019 at 08:23:42 PM EST
    Is good

    Something Really New in the Martin-Zimmerman Case (none / 0) (#127)
    by RickyJim on Wed Dec 04, 2019 at 08:33:02 PM EST
    George Zimmerman is suing Ben Crump, prosecutors and Trayvon's parents.
    The chief allegation in the lawsuit is that civil rights attorney Ben Crump helped to swap out a reluctant witness, Brittany Diamond Eugene, for her half-sister, Rachel Jeantel, and helped prepare her to deliver a script intended to land Zimmerman in prison for the 17-year-old's killing on February 26, 2012. Crump began representing Trayvon's parents starting February 28, 2012, the lawsuit says.

    Trayvon Martin Shooting Fast Facts
    The suit accuses Trayvon's parents, prosecutors and state authorities of going along with the alleged ruse, and "are alleged to either have known about or should have known about the witness fraud, obstructed justice, or lied repeatedly under oath in order to cover up their knowledge of the witness fraud," a news release from Klayman said.

    I've long since let it go. (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 05:05:08 PM EST
    Seriously, George Zimmerman is no hero. The basic facts of the case are beyond dispute. Without provocation, against the pointed request of a local police department dispatcher, and for no other fathomable rationale than his own delusional ego, racist paranoia and conscientious stupidity, Zimmerman stalked, confronted, and ultimately shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old African American boy who was clearly minding his own business while walking back to his father's house from a nearby 7-11 convenience store. It was an avoidable and senseless tragedy.

    But for whatever their reasons, the majority-white, all-female jury decided to let Zimmerman off. While I didn't agree with the verdict, I nevertheless accept it because I respect our system of justice and it just is what it is. Since then, events in the guy's personal life have made it rather obvious that he has some significant anger management issues that's generally rendered him a magnet for trouble. Again, regardless of how he got there, that's just the way some people are. It is what it is.

    That said, I'm fast approaching 60, and so I'm at a point in my own life where I really can't be bothered with things or people about which I can otherwise do nothing. George Zimmerman and his crackpot white-wing attorney from Judicial Watch, Larry Klayman, fall squarely into that category. While I don't wish the Z-dude ill, it also won't surprise me in the slightest if one day, we learn that his own toxic karma has finally enveloped him in a very tight embrace.



    The Thing You Can't Let Go of are the Falsehoods (2.33 / 3) (#134)
    by RickyJim on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 06:36:15 PM EST
    As best as can be determined from the evidence,  Zimmerman was looking to see if Martin was leaving  via a back exit to the complex and they bumped into each other in almost total darkness as Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle.  Why Martin didn't go to the house he was staying at while Zimmerman was looking for him is unknown.  Maybe he wanted to continue his phone call in private or with better outdoor reception.

    Your insulting remarks about the jury are totally uncalled for.  They came to the right decision.  Somebody was screaming for their life in the minute or so before Martin was shot, and Zimmerman was the one getting a beating.  After a Frye (or perhaps Daubert) hearing when the prosecution evidence that Martin was the one screaming was exposed as junk science, the state should have dropped the case.  There was no way that an honest jury could have concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman didn't fire his gun in self defense.


    I don't know Florida law, but in U.S. criminal law (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:16:25 PM EST
    generally, you don't get the benefit of a "self-defense" justification for using deadly force in an altercation in which you were the "first aggressor."

    There is Zero Evidence (2.67 / 3) (#139)
    by RickyJim on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:38:33 PM EST
    that Zimmerman was "first aggressor." So what is your point?  We went over and over with Jeralyn the Florida law on self defense in the separate forum and that phrase didn't occur.  The law just requires that the shooter have a reasonable belief that he would be in immanent danger of bodily harm if he didn't shoot.

    George Zimmerman stalked Trayvon Martin, ... (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 08:05:44 PM EST
    ... even though the police dispatcher specifically told him to remain in his car and let incoming officers handle the situation -- which, as it sadly turned out, was really no "situation" at all.

    Rather, it was merely a 17-year-old boy who was returning to his father's house with some snacks, intent only on watching that evening's NBA All-Star Game with family members-- that is, he was until Zimmerman decided otherwise.

    I'm quite aware of the case's specifics, which are all very well-documented. Zimmerman was entirely the instigator of this senseless tragedy, not Trayvon Martin. Had Zimmerman followed directions of the dispatcher, instead of racially profiling the victim, jumping to conclusions and then acting as a self-anointed neighborhood vigilante, none of this would've happened.

    That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I now leave you and your online cohort to your mutual white-wing delusions about the self-perceived threat posed by an unarmed African American teenager, who went to a 7-11 for a bag of Skittles and a can of Arizona Iced Tea, only to meet his fate at the hands of a local right-wing crackpot.



    What did Jimmy Hoffa (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 08:56:17 PM EST
    say to do when confronted by someone with a gun? Go right for them, I believe he said.

    Hoffa wasn't the only one on the planet who thinks that way.

    I'm just wondering how one accesses this parallel universe wherein following and accosting a stranger at night while armed is considered a non-threatening act.


    My comment was an educational one (5.00 / 4) (#148)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 01:06:57 PM EST
    on the subject of how American criminal law generally views the morality of self-defense. You cannot lawfully use deadly force, even to protect yourself from an imminent threat of serious bodily harm, if you were the first to use unlawful force at the inception of that same encounter. As to Martin/Zimmerman, are you contending that the evidence at trial clearly established that Martin was the first to use unlawful force? Not the way I remember it. But really, I don't care to rehash it now. The main thing is that this new "documentary" is not a blockbuster revelation, and the related lawsuit is not a significant development, if the video is a tendentious and incredible tract from a proven unreliable source, and the lawsuit is sponsored not by a respected professional attorney but by a political attack-machine that regularly uses the courts to advance an ideological agenda rather than to seek justice for clients.

    Peter, You are the Last One I Thought (1.00 / 2) (#150)
    by RickyJim on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 01:35:33 PM EST
    needed to be reminded about who has the burden of proof in a criminal case.  All I contend is that there is no evidence that Zimmerman was the first  one to use unlawful force.  As for the lawsuit, I don't dismiss out of hand that Gilbert/Klayman might have something here because I found the alleged all day phone conversation between Martin and Jeantel rather improbable.  (I refuse to explain the last sentence further. :-)

    I am not commenting here as a judge or a (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 02:08:30 PM EST
    juror. The burden of proof therefore has nothing to do with my comments.

    You're dealing with people who either (none / 0) (#143)
    by McBain on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 09:22:53 AM EST
    don't know the facts or don't care.  The case for self defense was always strong.  We don't don't need to discuss the criminal case unless it directly relates to the new civil lawsuit but if anyone wants a refresher here's one of Jeralyn's write ups...

    What "people" are you referring to? (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by Yman on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 05:17:40 PM EST
    The Zimmerman apologists?

    And again (none / 0) (#155)
    by Yman on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 05:15:04 PM EST
    Always good for a laugh.

    Thanks for the laugh (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by Yman on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 05:13:14 PM EST
    I wondered who he could find who would actually file such a suit.

    Larry Klayman!


    I hope we finally get some answers about (none / 0) (#128)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 09:37:35 AM EST
    how the Jeantel testimony came about. Why was she described as a "minor" by Crump?  Did she have anything to do with the letter she supposedly signed but couldn't read because it was in cursive?

    The First Question That Came Into My Mind (none / 0) (#129)
    by RickyJim on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 09:49:30 AM EST
    was: How could the defense not know that the phone in the call didn't belong to Jeantel?  Well if there is something to all this, we should be also seeing criminal charges, perjury and subornation of perjury, filed soon.

    According to Joel Gilbert, author/director of (none / 0) (#132)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 04:51:58 PM EST
    The Trayvon Hoax, Mark O'Mara said "Rachel was such a terrible witness, why would anyone use her as a fake witness?"

    I've seen The Trayvon Hoax.  Gilbert makes a compelling case Racheal Jeantel wasn't the one on the phone with Trayvon but Gilbert does have a political bias.  So does Zimmerman's civil attorney, Larry Klayman.

    I'll be shocked if any criminal charges are filed.  I just hope this lawsuit makes it to the discovery phase and people involved answer key questions. I have a feeling that will be an uphill battle for Zimmerman.  


    Apparently Gilbert, like Klayman, has a consistent (5.00 / 4) (#137)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 05, 2019 at 07:19:15 PM EST
    history of promoting conspiracy-theory-based, fact-light theories that just happen to all support a right-wing and/or racist narrative. Neither is an objective or reliable investigator.

    Yeah, good one (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 11:06:00 AM EST

    Joel Gilbert, producer of the straight-to-audio blockbuster Dreams Of My Real Father, wherein "facts" are offered up such as that Obama's father wasn't Kenyan at all but an American Communist.

    What a shame that so few people are interested in hearing the facts.


    I already said Gilbert has a political bias (none / 0) (#153)
    by McBain on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 03:13:32 PM EST
    You're welcome to dismiss anything he does because of it.  I gave the documentary a chance just like I gave the biased Rest In Power: The Trayvon Martin Story a chance.  I'm guessing I'm the only one here who has seen The Trayvon Hoax.  My review is mixed...  

    It's done in the Michael Moore/Morgan Spurlock style where the filmmaker does the narration and appears on screen several times.  I don't like that style because it comes across as "look at me, I'm making a movie!" not a serious examination of a topic.

    That being said, the legwork Gilbert does in the film is impressive. I can't say if his conclusion is true but it wouldn't surprise me if it is.  I found the behavior of the prosecution and Team Trump to be extremely unethical.


    Political bias.. (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by jondee on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 05:28:21 PM EST
    Judging by his Obama doc, I'd say it's just as likely that he has a mental health issue - If he actually believes his own assertions. Along with some ethical issues, if he doesn't believe what he's saying but hopes others will.

    Not exactly a reliable guide in any event.


    I don't mind political bias (5.00 / 3) (#163)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 09:01:58 PM EST
    What I mind is utter disdain or disregard for truth.

    Joel Gilbert! (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by Yman on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 05:20:54 PM EST
    Dear God ... first Larry Klayman, then Joel Gilbert.

    You know who fings conspiracy theorists "compelling"?

    Conspiracy theorists.


    Ricky, as to your question (none / 0) (#177)
    by McBain on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 11:25:59 AM EST
    How could the defense not know that the phone in the call didn't belong to Jeantel?

    According to Joel Gilbert in this interview at the 1:08.30 mark...
    The prosecution withheld the phone records from Zimmerman's defense and because they were told this ear witness was 16, the defense wasn't able to interview her until just before the trial. I also remember something from the documentary about the phone not being registered in anyone's name.  

    I don't know if the phone records allegation is true.  I do know Zimmerman's defense accused the prosecution of withholding Trayvon Martin's phone records but not sure about Jeantel's.

    As to Zimmerman's lawsuit, I can't tell if they're really serous about trying to get $100 million or if they're just trying bring attention to what could be a very serious crime.  If the witness swapping allegation is true, there should be some kind of significant penalty for those involved.  If it's not true, Joel Gilbert should be sued.  

    It seems like it should be pretty easy to get to the bottom of this. Look into the phone records and figure out if Rachel Jeantel knows someone named Diamond Eugene. If she does, I find it very unlikely that she would sign that letter "Diamond Eugene" instead of her own name.    


    Must ... stop ... (none / 0) (#180)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 04:52:48 PM EST
    ... laughing.

    Hard to breathe.


    What Did Diamond Eugene Say (none / 0) (#184)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 08:14:37 PM EST
    in Gilbert's movie?  Gilbert didn't give a straight answer in the TV program for which you gave the link.

    The woman Gilbert claims to be (none / 0) (#189)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 02:51:34 PM EST
    Diamond Eugene, didn't talk about Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman in the film.  As far as I know, she hasn't given any statements about her role, if any, in that case.  

    Most of what she "said" was from social media and wasn't memorable enough for me to recall other than she was carrying on a relationship with Trayvon and another guy at the same time.  I got the feeling, the reason she didn't testify in the trial is she didn't want her other boyfriend to know she was seeing Trayvon. All of that communication needs to be verified.


    At this point, we need to hear from ... (none / 0) (#191)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 12:50:40 PM EST
    ... Disco the talking parakeet, who likewise parrots whatever he hears without regard to source, but is frankly still far more credible than Larry Klayman and Joel Gilbert combined.

    We can all relax (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 11:15:08 AM EST
    John Kerry

    and his Botox

    Has decided

    The thing that I remember most (none / 0) (#147)
    by CST on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 11:24:38 AM EST
    About John Kerry in the Senate is that he supported the Iraq war despite heavy personal lobbying by Ted Kennedy for him to vote against it.

    Yea, I hold grudges like that.


    I saw that (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 01:53:55 PM EST
    as a slam on Warren but an endorsement that will make zero difference in the MA primary.

    Took them long enough (none / 0) (#146)
    by scribe on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 11:19:42 AM EST
    Pennsylvania suspends the license of the prison psychologist under whose care 20 inmates attempted suicide, and 3 succeeded.

    Not to worry.  He's still on the government payroll, making over $100k a year.

    Ruben Brandt, Collector (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 06:11:04 PM EST
    Very odd.  Very good.


    Every frame is overwhelming. The characters all look like they have strolled out of Picasso's dreamworld (one of the thieves wear two pairs of sunglasses for his four sets of eyeballs). Kowalski's partner has two faces, one on the front of her head, one on the back. One character is literally two-dimensional, making art theft a cinch for him since he can slide underneath doors. The landscapes they zip through are a constantly-changing pop-art emanation, as though the history of art was tossed up into the air, and the movie cavorts among the randomly falling pieces. Every wall is covered with posters, Soviet propaganda, movies, cheap art prints. Hitchcock makes a cameo. In one chase scene, the characters suddenly find themselves running through the urban-fascist landscape of a De Chirico, before passing out of it. There's a nightmare sequence - so loopy and inventive I laughed out loud -- where Ruben is in a standoff from out of an old Western with Andy Warhol's gun-holstered "double Elvis," while an entire Coliseum chants for blood. Tibor Cári's score is a constant, urgent and energetic, moving us from dream to reality into fractured reality back into the dream.


    Go Ducks... (none / 0) (#160)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 06:19:35 PM EST

    The Ducks opened up a can of Whoopass on the Utes.

    Go, 'Bows! (none / 0) (#161)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 06, 2019 at 07:59:59 PM EST
    They're facing off against Boise State in the Mountain West Championship Game. Isn't Boise, ID where everybody wants to be in early December?

    Now, I'm under no illusions about Hawaii's chances, which are admittedly slim. But, hey, the Rainbow Warriors are still playing while ten other MW teams are looking on, and they did upset a very good No. 25 San Diego State team in a slugfest for the West Division title two weeks ago. So, I must trust that anything can happen on any given day, and hope that maybe the 'Bows can surprise everyone again like they did against SDSU two weeks ago.

    And tonight is the first round of the NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship tournament. So, it's a great weekend for college sports.

    Enjoy the weekend.


    NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship: (none / 0) (#169)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 02:34:16 AM EST
    Check out this rally from Second Round regional play tonight in Honolulu. If you don't find this exciting, then somebody needs to check and see if you still have a pulse. While San Diego eventually took the point, No. 12 Hawaii swept the No. 20 Toreros in three sets (25-23, 25-21, 25-21) and will next play Nebraska in the NCAA "Sweet Sixteen."

    Jeralyn, the best medicine (none / 0) (#172)
    by Towanda on Sun Dec 08, 2019 at 02:35:20 PM EST
    for fans of Jams Corden could be enjoying his portrayal of Boris Johnson at the "cool kids" table in the NATO cafeteria, last night's SNL opening skit. He nailed it.

    Fried Fresh Corn (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 10:22:59 AM EST
    I'm sharing because I'm making today.  It's great with salmon.

    I'm in a celebratory mood.  I don't eat this all the time but now and again it's totally worth it.

    This is a secret family recipe.   The weapon used at endless potlucks and church events.

    4-6 large ears if the freshest corn you can find.
    Cut it off the Cobb.  Then scrape the cobs.  Consult the internet if this is confusing.
    Takes that corn and dump it into a skillet that has a combined 1/2 stick of butter. (It's better with more butter I leave it in your hands.  Some recipes call for a stick)
    1 T of sugar
    1T of bacon grease (c'mon, yes u got bacon grease, or you can make some)
    Salt & pepper
    Cook this for about 20 minutes
    Mix 1/2 cup of milk (whole milk or 1/2 & 1/2 a s skim) like I said.  This is not every day food.
    I recommend a whisk
    Then combine and cook until it's the perfect thickness.
    Constant stirring is encouraged.

    Trust me.  You will never see "corn" the same way again.

    The MILK (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 10:31:46 AM EST
    The milk is whisked with one T of flour then combined with the rest

    This sounds (none / 0) (#183)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 07:20:00 PM EST
    like the way my husband's grandmother used to make corn but I'm not sure if she called it fried.

    I make a lower end version of it from Ina Garten's recipe for fried corn but I only do it in the summer when you can get good fresh corn like silver queen. Everybody loves it.

    Does your family have a secret cornbread recipe? This is also something my husband's grandmother was noted for and she used bacon grease in it.


    We don't have that many secret recipes (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 06:27:56 AM EST
    My mother used the make cornbread with bacon grease.  I'm not the biggest corn bread fan.

    And yes (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 06:29:37 AM EST
    It's way better in the summer with fresh fresh corn.

    But it still works on winter supermarket corn on the cob.


    Adieu Odo... (none / 0) (#178)
    by desertswine on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 02:52:17 PM EST
    René Auberjonois, who portrayed the shape-shifter Odo on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, has passed away.

    I remember him more from Benson (none / 0) (#179)
    by McBain on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 04:27:52 PM EST
    I always thought he had such a great name when pronounced correctly.  

    In local (ish) news (none / 0) (#181)
    by CST on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 05:45:11 PM EST
    After a recount, the last seat at-large on the Boston City Council was decided by a single vote.

    These are at-large seats so every ballot can pick 4 candidates.  I imagine many people voted for both of these candidates, and they are friends so it wasn't particularly contentious.  Still an incredible margin of victory.   On election night it was 10 votes.  Same person won.

    Happy about the pushback (none / 0) (#182)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 09, 2019 at 06:02:13 PM EST
    So many loose ends (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 06:38:56 AM EST
    What will Laurie say about Dr Ms Trumpish 3rd younger girlfriend after all those phone calls.  Will she learn the calls were really to Lady Trieu?  Looking forward to her thoughts on that.

    They are calling Sunday's episode (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 03:58:32 PM EST
    A SEASON finale.  As opposed to a series finale.

    This is good.


    The DOJ Holiday Party, (none / 0) (#188)
    by KeysDan on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 12:02:13 PM EST
    scheduled for this Sunday at Trump's DC Hotel has been unexpectedly "re-scheduled" for an undisclosed time and location.  AG Barr signed a contract with the hotel that required a minimum of $31,500 in party spending for the estimated 200 persons.  Barr is reported to have put a $10,000 deposit down, and had agreed to pay for the party himself.

    Explanations could include concerns for potential conflicts of interest, given the number to Trump cases being defended by DOJ, or concerns for the "Disbar" Barr protests.   The first, of course, is highly unlikely, so we can safely eliminate that one. And, another question: will Barr have to forfeit the deposit or will the hotel owner gladly issue a refund?  Inquiring minds.

    As a long-time NYG fan (none / 0) (#190)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Dec 10, 2019 at 03:54:39 PM EST
    it was great seeing (the first 30 minutes of) Eli back in the saddle last night.

    Was it the last game we'll ever see him play?

    ... I've always felt Eli to be the better NFL QB of the two, even though he's always lived in Payton's shadow. I think his best game was the Jan. 2012 divisional playoff game at Green Bay, in which he just sliced and diced a porous Packers' secondary for 330 yards in leading the Giants to a 37-20 upset. Given that the Giants were only 9-7 that season while the vaunted Packers were 15-1, I daresay nobody saw that one coming.

    Interesting (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 02:14:30 PM EST
    Interesting because clearly the writer is doing their best to write a "negative" article about Bloomberg but the truth is it's kind of positive in spite of his best efforts

    I bolded the think about Harris because of the recent VP discussion..


    Former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg makes his first presidential campaign trip Wednesday in California, a state where few people support his White House run, many don't know who he is, and those who do think little of him.

    The 77-year-old billionaire publisher is going to try to change those impressions with an endorsement Wednesday from up-and-coming Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs, an appearance with former Gov. Jerry Brown in San Francisco, and $14 million of TV ads that are ready to saturate California's airwaves through the rest of the year, The Chronicle has learned.

    Tubbs was ready to endorse California Sen. Kamala Harris until she dropped out of the race last week. He told The Chronicle that he's endorsing Bloomberg, whom he has known for several years, because "top of mind, we have to beat Donald Trump and preserve democracy." The two will appear together Wednesday morning in Stockton.

    FWIW (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 02:37:20 PM EST
    I stopped to get Thai takeout and while I was ordering I overheard something like "gotta get back......the impeachment thing"

    I was not able to tell the color of the jersey but .... I don't know ....people are watching.  And even talking about watching.  That's probably good, right?

    I know (5.00 / 4) (#200)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Dec 11, 2019 at 06:11:14 PM EST
    one Trumper who has flat out decided to not watch the news. I guess it is too depressing for him. Demoralized Trumpers are good in my book.