Wednesday Open Thread

The finale to El Senor de los Cielos was very good. I watched it twice, just to make sure I didn't miss anything. They killed off the one good cop, and the only Cuban spy with a conscience, but everyone else survived, except Lightning, the boxing champ, and he died of old age.

Aurelio's fingers moved, but he didn't wake up from his coma. I take that as a sign they haven't decided yet whether Rafael Amaya is gone for good or coming back for Season 7.

The finale of Big Brother is tonight. It's been a better season than most. I happen to like Julie Chen. She's left The Talk but is sticking with Big Brother. It wouldn't be as good a show without her. And she's not intimidated by what's happening to her husband. She now signs off BB as "Julie Chen Moonves" which she never did before.

There's quite a few more significant topics in the news this week I haven't gotten around to writing about yet. Hopefully, you will pick up on them and keep the discussion going.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    The crimes for which (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:53:47 AM EST
    Cosby was convicted did not occur when he was 81 years old.  They happened over a long period of time.  The tragedy is that the time of reckoning took so long,  for his victims and, now, for him. The sentence of at least three years seems unreasonable, only when consideration is given to his age and physical status.  In my view, Cosby's criminal pattern deserves a prison sentencing.  Mercy may be warranted, and would be a justifiable deployment of the power of commutation of sentence by the governor.

    Sorry, comment (none / 0) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:57:35 AM EST
    intended for Cosby thread...kd

    The Kavanaugh mess (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:37:48 AM EST
    is about Kavanaugh, but not just about Kavanaugh. as bad as it is. Similarly, the Rosenstein saga is about firing/resignation of Rosensetin, but not just Rosenstein, as scary as that is.

    There is also the critical backdrop of subverting the power and authority of our democratic system of government. An undermining of norms, procedures, and the rule of law in the service of an undemocratic, if not authoritarian, system so as to hedge the inevitable loss of power owing to changes occurring and contemplated in demographics and, resulting politics.

    Kavanaugh had the competitive edge over other qualified, very conservative candidates because he converted to a position of expanded executive power.  A position that fits in well with a president and his family under investigation. The Republican senate has aided and abetted the subversion with a corrupt confirmation process--one that held back documents, permitted no follow-ups on disingenuous testimony,and blocked FBI or other investigations, including credible allegations of a crime, attempted rape.

     An unfit nominee steadfastly defended--one who if confirmed will contribute to the de-legitimization of an institution that relies on trust and honesty for its credibility. A justice who has revealed his secrets to his Trump confirmation handlers making him, potentially, vulnerable to leveraging of his independence.

    Getting rid of Rosenstein, and, hence, Mueller (by the all too clever process of limiting his authority) subverts the criminal justice system by putting into place pliable, if not corrupt, replacements.

     Those more in tune with Trump' need to have Mueller and the investigation go away so as to protect him and his fortune, such as it is. The solicitor general, Noel Francisco, who is likely to take Rosenstein's position, has expressed the idea that going after Trump's finances is getting too close to the red line, exceeding the special counsel's charge. While wrong on the facts and the law, his opinion serves the subversion process well.

    The Drug of the future (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by jmacWA on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:45:07 PM EST
    As I was told in fall of 69.

    It was a "most pleasant" high.

    The 714 ludes (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 03:04:42 PM EST
    were basically like drinking a bottle of tequila in pill-form that hit you all at once.

    Heard a lot of stories about musicians slipping them to non-compliant groupies back in the mid-to-late seventies.


    Those 714 ludes (none / 0) (#73)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:38:54 PM EST
    Confused the cops for a long time.  People got stopped for alleged drunken driving but were not drunk and passed the breathalyzer test even though they were laughing and staggering around in the street.  They figured it out soon however.

    Oxycontin was supposed (none / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:40:11 PM EST
    to be the drug of the future.

    As was heroin 100+ years ago.

    I'm sticking with Dr Kilmer's Swamproot Remedy.


    Holy sh!t (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 05:02:19 PM EST
    Tuned into Bone Spurs presser at UN. After 15 minutes of garbled word salad he started taking questions. He talked and talked and talked and said absolutely nothing. What a complete detached moron. He is completely separated from any kind of reality. If I worked for a company with CEO that sounded like this, I would be retiring or moving on immediately. This a bigger embarrassment than Helsinki.

    I agree!! (none / 0) (#120)
    by linea on Fri Sep 28, 2018 at 09:07:22 PM EST
    He was never a CEO (in the conventional sense) as far I know. He engaged in property flips and rental scams, then some construction scams, then leveraged his semi-celebrity status by selling the `trump' brand for labeling of generic wine, frozen mail-order steaks, hotel names, (etc.), without any manufacturing control or ownership.

    I taught at an upscale private (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:14:06 PM EST
    high school about the same period that Kavanaugh was in high school. I remember the girl. I remember the 7 boys. I remember the chatter among the students on Monday morning. I remember the worthless response that I got from the administration when I complained.

    The girl left school (and the state) and all seven boys remained in school. It was all swept under the rug.

    A great write up about (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:29:37 PM EST
    Coming of Age in the 80's. The DC area sounds especially horrible at that time. I love her phrase where she discusses that for young women, it was just the way it was for us, we accepted it. There really wasn't a choice culturally.

    Good (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:50:47 PM EST
    article and you didn't even have to "come of age" in the 80's to experience it. It was the 80's and how they were no matter where you were. I was 20 in 1980 and so while I didn't experience that in high school I sure saw some of it in college and then saw a whole lot of it in the workforce.

    2018 and we still have women telling (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by vml68 on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:54:53 PM EST
    their daughters that being groped by guys is no big deal.

    What are the rules? (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 09:17:24 PM EST
    As a young soldier, I was stationed in Arizona.  The commercial needs of the base were satisfied by a small town that bordered on the fort. Because the Army payroll was the economic engine that drove the little town, young men on the streets outnumbered young women by dozens to one.

    Every time they left their houses, young women who lived in the town were subjected to far more attention than a similar demographic anywhere else. I found that I could not speak to any of them, tried my best to ignore them when I saw them, because I refused to be identified with the rude soldiers vying for their attention in various impolite ways.

    By contrast, in situations where the sexes were more equally represented, I had no problem relating to women.

    In response to recent political events, I see men now asking what the "rules" are for polite engagement with women, as though there is a manual on such behavior. Is a compliment sexist? Is it offensive to admire a woman's wardrobe? How much touching is "inappropriate?"

    I have never been accused of forcing my attention on a woman. I have never needed "rules" to deal appropriately with women. I have found that empathy works better than any formal framework.  Putting myself in the shoes of the young women badgered by lonely soldiers kept me from adding to their burden.

    Apparently empathy is in short supply in some quarters, and is a mystery to many men.

    The reason (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by yerioy on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 12:13:40 AM EST
    girls did not report to the police, and probably parents, was that they were blamed for putting themselves into the situation.

    My LTE ran today. (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 09:25:18 AM EST
    Here it is:

    President Trump has threatened to release classified documents, which he assures us he has not read, related to the Russia investigation. While the move is couched as a finger in the eye of the Democratic Party, an undignified presidential response at best, it is hard to see this as anything other than a generous gift to Vladimir Putin and the Russian intelligence services. Can anyone imagine the outcry from the right if Barack Obama had provided classified intel documents to Russia without even reading them himself?

    The comments, 2 so far, are entertaining.

    I read the article (none / 0) (#115)
    by linea on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 11:46:42 PM EST
    How do I read the comments?

    Initially, I was going to criticize you for `which he assures us he has not read' because seriously he doesn't read - but I read the rest of the article. Excellent writing.


    Comments (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Sep 28, 2018 at 08:56:23 AM EST
    The comments are on Disqus at the bottom of the page.

    Thank you! (none / 0) (#119)
    by linea on Fri Sep 28, 2018 at 08:41:57 PM EST
    My Guess (2.00 / 1) (#61)
    by SomewhatChunky on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 03:54:29 PM EST
    The right claims the Kavanaugh attacks are a leftist smear job.  Agree or not, it's a viewpoint held by many.    Read the comments on any article on Fox News (I know, don't blast me) or the Wall Street Journal to see what I mean.  They are 100% different from the comments you'll find on the liberal networks or the New York Times.

    There are plenty of woman I know who agree that this is absurd.  Will this whole thing hurt Republicans in Nov - hard to tell.  It could help as it has really energized the right. A far far bigger weight among the woman I know is Trump.  If you're a Democrat, he is the gift that keeps on giving.

    Here's how I think it's going to shake out:

    The hearing on Thursday will go on as planned.    The Republicans will ignore Deborah Ramirez and  Julie Swetnick (Avenatti's client) though I'm sure the Democrats won't  They are viewed by the right as trying to drag things out and everybody on both sides is well aware of the upcoming election.  Both have credibility issues.  There is a perception that this will never end.

    The New Yorker Article says Ramirez was very drunk.  Then she says After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney (i.e. Democratic Staff and attorney) she felt confident enough of her allegations...  That's not a confidence inspiring statement.   The New York Times reported that "Ms. Ramirez initially told friends she had memory gaps and was not certain that Judge Kavanaugh was the person who exposed himself" - another statement that doesn't inspire confidence.

    Ramirez's attorney isn't doing her any favors.  ALL Senators have egos.  At this point the Republicans on the committee are done listening to the demands of witnesses trying to tell them what to do.  Ramirez wants to talk to them and give a statement, fine.  But she wants to list preconditions they need to meet before she cooperates.  That's fine too.  They'll just move on without her.  Flake's statement about the vote made that pretty clear.

    I think Avenatti's client's claims are 100% BS.  Her allegations are incredible. Like Jeralyn, I never saw or heard of anything like this in high school or college.  None of my college friends ever had any stories like this from their many high schools either.  I think most Americans will find Swetnick's claims hard to believe.  In any case, they involve lots of parties and lots of people.   Every reporter in the western world has been calling everyone who knew Kavanaugh back then over the last few weeks.  If what she alledges was remotely true, there would be collobration from many other than Avenatti (whom I'm sure will soon dredge up someone).  Their isn't any independent verification.   All Avenatti has done is make it easier to ignore Ramirez and move forward.  If you want to look credible, he's not your guy.

    They'll be a vote.  It will depend on how what Flake, Collins and Murkowski think of how things go on Thursday.  All have bucked their party in the past.  But all are Republicans and all are aware how most on the right think this is a coordinated Democratic plan to smear Kavanaugh. They probably have some of those thoughts too.   It's hard not to see that with the democratic attorneys involved and their efforts to tell the committee what to do.   I'm sure they all think Feinstein handled this poorly - even the San Francisco Chronicle blasted her.  Feinstein's handling of this makes it easy to not do all of the investigation the left wants. She forfeited that by her political timing.  All are also aware of the political ramifications of all this.

    I think all of this pre-Thursday posturing will be forgotten quickly as the news will be dominated by what happens Thursday.  Anybody who can predict how Thursday will go is deluding themselves.  It will be quite the show.

    All of the above comes with the caveat of who knows what will pop up next.  We've got all night!

    Cheeto is threatening (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 07:32:12 AM EST
    To shut down the government, which runs out of money at the end if the week, unless he gets his judge.

    If he does this I can imagine republican leadership chatting with Rosenstein about that 25th amendment thingie he was talking about.

    "How does that work again...?"

    THE PURGE (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:27:56 AM EST
    On USA is really really good.  It really is.

    The guy, who made the first and best movie, is a genius at dragging your psyche out of its comfort zone.

    For example, one new element in the series is a cult.  Their thing is to dress up in their robes a stick some flowers in their hair and offer them selves up to the blood thirsty crowds on PURGE NIGHT so they can be the vehicle for the poor angry people to yada, yada...

    The thing is this cult is so brilliantly cast with cult members you find yourself swatting away a little voice in your left ear saying, "oh my god.  Yes. Kill them.  Kill them all for the sake of the gene pool".

    The shoe has dropped (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:29:40 AM EST
    To use a current phrase, Avenatti has receipts. If his client still retains security clearance I don't see how the FBI doesn't have to investigate. Of course the Trump administration Republicans do whatever they want when it wants so maybe this will be another Rubicon they fearlessly cross.

    My 1st Question now is (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jmacWA on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:13:05 AM EST
    What was the prescription on Aug 21 for (from K's calendar).  My guess: Quaalude :)

    Try to imagine the raw hysteria (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:18:43 AM EST
    In the white house.

    If they do the clearly sensible thing and pull the nomination

    Michael F@CKING Avenatti wins

    If they don't .....

    Just let it wash over you.


    Does Kavanaugh realize that (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:49:56 AM EST
    On his calendar for July 1 he wrote in the names of everyone Blasey said was present, and they were having "skis" at Timmy's? It was July so I'm going with Brewskis. There is a Tim Gaudette who was a Renate Alumni. In the Georgetown Prep 1983 yearbook everyone's address was listed. Can Ed Whelan show me where Timmy's house is?

    Yup! Mine too (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:45:34 AM EST
    What prescriptions was he picking up?

    I don't think (none / 0) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:43:02 PM EST
    the prescription would be Quaalude- already-more of a street drug at that time. Besides, Mom might find out...although we don't know why the Weeping Virgin of Chevy Chase was grounded, unless the saintly Brett helped an old lady across the street, but she did not want to go across the street.

     The only reference in his calendar is appointments with "Dr. Dellatore", a Chevy Chase dermatologist. Dr. Daniel Dellatore is still listed as being in practice, at an office on Wisconsin Ave. Quaalude is not customarily used for acne or other likely teenager skin problems. But, then, this is not a customary situation.


    Dude, they were swiping mom's sleeping (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:57:06 PM EST
    Pills if he didn't have his own script. But yeah, we did all see dermatologists too. First generation where parents were scared our acne would scar.

    But getting a hold of a sleeping pill, you were obviously a better kid than I was. I didn't actually swipe sleeping pills, but I had friends who swiped their parents fun drugs plenty of times.


    from the US market in 1982.

    Bootlegs and imports (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:42:04 PM EST
    Were available for years

    True enough. (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:48:14 PM EST
    I saw it in college, early-mid 80's.

    However, imo, that casts a bit of shadow over assuming that the prescriptions he wrote on his calendar that he needed to get refilled were for an illegal drug from some kind of illegal source...


    If you knew the right pharmacist (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:49:50 PM EST
    I used to know one.  And I fu@king love ludes.

    Heh. I'll take your word, I never sampled. (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:03:48 PM EST
    Doesn't really change my doubt about a 17 y/o jotting down illegal drug purchases on his daily calendar, in between haircuts and basketball games, and then submitting that calendar to the Senate Judiciary...

    While I graduated in the 60s (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 04:06:55 PM EST
    like some others here I never knew anything about gang rape parties.

    Perhaps more to the point while I did go to parties in high school where alcohol was present it was always beer; hard stuff was simply too expensive.  I do remember wine at times; but it was the famous brand Thunderbird; in truth because of the well known radio ad

    'What's the word? Thunderbird!
    How's it sold? Good and cold.
    What's the jive? Bird's alive.
    What's the price? Thirty twice.'.

    What I am not getting is the accuser graduated two or three years before Kavanaugh and was a student at UM at the time.  I do remember there seemed to be a huge barrier between high school guys and college girls fraternizing.  Not so much the other way around; plenty of college guys hit on high school girls.

    Most eye raising thing to me is the accuser (as a college student) says she went to ten parties where girls were gang raped after males deliberately got the drunk to the point of almost passing out; and all of this at parties that included both high school age boys.  What type of person, male or female, would do this?  Just as eye raising is why a girl would do this so often that she fell into the trap and was gang raped herself.

    Also worth noting is that her statement seems to have been written/edited by a lawyer.  She does not name who raped her or anyone else.  She does say she saw Kavanaugh standing in a line, but also says she never saw him do anything directly.  I admit I have been a line at parties; but it was to get into the rest room.

    I know when I was investigated for my Top Secret clearance while in the army it was quite extensive.  Hard for me to understand how six investigations of Kavanaugh missed all these gang rape parties going on.  Not to mention if the FBI was unable to turn up anything with all their previous effort why anyone would want them to be the lead in another investigation.


    Well, (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 05:45:55 PM EST
    why isn't Kavanaugh asking for an FBI investigation? Personally I think Mark Judge lied to the FBI in a background check and after he lied there was no follow up on anything. And who knows. The FBI might know about some of this. It's not like background checks that failed have kept any Trumpers out of the white house.

    It all fits however with the smug entitlement he has towards women and there are legions of witnesses to his drinking which he lied about too.  Already we have a whole list of things he lied about in his hearings like stolen emails etc.


    Kavanaugh is not asking (3.50 / 2) (#71)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:29:03 PM EST
    for an FBI investigation because he and his supporters view it as a delaying tactic.  It is not that common to have repressed memories.  It is even more uncommon to have three women who have repressed memories come forward at the last second to accuse someone.

    I still have to wonder how anyone, less yet a girl who was a college student, would go to ten parties where high school boys were spiking punch to get girls drunk so they could gang rape them; and then finally fall prey to being gang raped herself.


    So delaying (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:25:38 PM EST
    is worse than participating in gang rape? Seriously his supporters make him look guilty.

    No one is claiming repressed memories. They are claiming that Kavanaugh and his buddy Mike Judge were drugging girls and running a rape train. Dr. Blasey has never said anything about repressed memories from public reports. Her story never has changed. So your statement is not factual.

    If you are so concerned about a college student being at those parties and frankly I don't know if she was in college. I have not fact checked that. You should be asking either the FBI to investigate or calling her to testify. I'm sure she has an answer for that. I went to a few when I was home from college though none were rape train parties.


    What really concerns me (none / 0) (#95)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 02:21:50 AM EST
    is your seeming lack of reading comprehension.  The is no one accusing Kavanaugh of gang rape.  What Julie Swetnick claimed was that both she and Kavanaugh were at parties where gang rape happened.  While I am still unsure of the order she claimed she went to ten parties where gang rape happened and at one she was gang raped; but was clear that Kavanaugh was not involved in her rape.  She did claim Kavanaugh stood in line, with the implication it was for a gang rape; but again she never claimed she observed him raping anyone.

    Ford has claimed repressed memory.  She said she and her husband went to a counseling session and the counselor was able to help her remember details about what happened that she had repressed.  She has also said there is lots she does not remember and wished she remembered more.

    As for calling Julie Swetnick to testify the first step is normally an interrogatory.  Given the lack of detail in her statement and the mount of hearsay I am not sure what there is to investigate.  But the first question she would have to answer is why did you go to nine parties and see gang rape going on and do nothing about it.


    She said (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 06:33:23 AM EST
    Kavanaugh and Judge and others spiked drinks so that they could be gang raped. She doesn't know if Kavanaugh raped her or not because she was drugged. She did however see him molesting girls.

    Everything I have read says that Dr. Ford went to counseling because of the lingering trauma from the attack from Kavanaugh and Judge. If you have a link that says differntly and it's not from wingnut welfare please link to it.

    Saying the first question she would have to answer is why did you go to rape parties is an authoritarian statement and an attempt to shut her down. First of all do you think that Kavanaugh and Judge announced they were having a rape party? Secondly, how do you know that she even knew that they were even going to be there? You are assuming that everybody who went to Kanavaugh's and Judge's party knew they were gonna be rape trains and that even before going to a party everybody knew everybody that was going to be attending the party.

    You're just shopping nonsense. Let the FBI do an investigation. All three have called for it. The GOP apparently thinks he is guilty. They certainly act like it.


    Well... (none / 0) (#92)
    by linea on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:18:04 PM EST
    Who did she go to these parties with? I don't go to parties alone. I can't imagine being in college and going to a series of parties thrown by High School students. If I witnessed High School boys lined up to gang rape a young girl I certainly would do something - get some other women and stop the boys, call the police, and contact the girl's parents.

    I most certainly woudn't attend a series of gang rape parties. At least ten gang rape parties. Parties filled with dozens of High School students (and at least one adult woman in college) both boys and girls and none of the other people who would have been at these parties knows anything about this? Granted, I don't know any more than anyone else but this is far fetched. My opinion, this is Avenatti promoting the equivalent of PizzaGate.


    So you (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 06:37:21 AM EST
    think Kavanaugh and Judge announced they were having rape parties?

    Again, have her testify if you are so concerned about her story.


    Ha, told ya (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:33:49 AM EST
    Accuser three has landed and demanded to be taken to the leader

    Sworn affidavits from (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:42:50 AM EST
    A woman who has held extensive security clearances, that there was rape crew working out of Georgetown Prep around 1982-1983. Judge and Kavanaugh were members, and sadly she was also a victim.

    I knew the rape crew working out of my high school graduating class. Didn't we all? But it was so shocking I really didn't want to consciously acknowledge it. It was pretty crazy back then.


    I'm a little skeptical of rape crew allegations (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 03:21:36 PM EST
    Never heard of anything like that at my high school and college days.  

    I'm not saying it never happens but to engage in an activity like that with multiple witnesses isn't just criminal and immoral, it's incredibly stupid.


    My first thought is (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 04:03:51 PM EST
    if these preppie guys thought it was funny to march around the Yale campus in broad daylight chanting "No Means Yes!", what kinds of things do they do when they're hammered-drunk?

    I think if you grow up with the idea that Dad, or somebody else's Dad, can make a lot go away with a few phone calls, you may wind up with a very skewed perception of how consequences play out in the real world.


    That sounds a little too much like Duke Lacrosse (2.00 / 1) (#65)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 04:25:40 PM EST
    Because they come from money, they must be guilty.  

    Oh, just stop already. (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:33:11 PM EST
    McBain: "Because they come from money, they must be guilty."

    Three different women from different walks of life who've never known each other have now gone public to tell variations of the same tale of gross sexual misconduct by SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh in his younger years. Further, there area lot of people who are similarly stepping forward to back up what these women saying. Kavanaugh's own roommate from his freshman year at Yale says that he believes Deborah Ramirez, who told us how a drunken Brett shoved his shortcomings in her face.

    What all these people are saying is well beyond mere coincidence. Doesn't that mean anything to you -- or is this just another case of "b*tches be lyin'" in your Wonder Bread World?



    I am not buying any of (none / 0) (#98)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 03:37:45 AM EST
    the stories. They all have flaws. I don't doubt someone may have mishandled these women, but I don't think it was Kavenagh. I think they believe it was him, but I think they are wrong. Memory is a tricky thing. I think Beth Wilkenson should be given the opportunity to cross-examine the women.

    I find it appalling that anyone with a law license would not cringe in horror at the way this is proceeding. I've always known that guilt sells in America, but this isn't even a criminal case -- it's a judge being asked about alleged events when he was 16 that even if true, have not repeated themselves as an adult. He has a slew of woman law clerks and others behind him.

    I was okay with opposing him based on this legal decisions, but now no one even talks about those. Where were all these women when the man who would be elected to lead this great country of ours had racked up more than 16 claims of improper sexual contact? No one cared, they voted for him anyway. And now everyone wants to hang this judge?

    I think making a distinguished jurist answer questions about his high school social life and whether he tried to get to second base or flashed his Johnson instead of asking him about his judicial philosophy and decisions is insane.

    This process will not attract qualified candidates in the future. As I said the other day, who would put themselves through this?


    It's like you said (none / 0) (#111)
    by McBain on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 10:47:21 AM EST
    Years ago it was about drugs. Now it's about sex.  What will it be in 20 years?  

    Is it about just sex (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 11:42:23 AM EST
    or, in this case is it about the entitled and well-connected preying on the vulnerable?

    There are different ways of looking at this.



    Rape and molestation is NOT sex. (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Oct 01, 2018 at 11:29:53 AM EST
    I'm a sixty year old white man and even I know that.

    Or alternatively (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:33:35 PM EST
    and not for the first time in recorded history, because they come from money they're able to procure representation capable of running rings around the prosecution.

    I never heard of such (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:00:16 PM EST
    a thing at my high school and we had 3,000 students, 1000 per grade.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:06:45 PM EST

    There was 73 people in my graduating class and I knew about trains.


    I'll say this much (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by CST on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:29:10 PM EST
    My highschool had 2500 kids.  I studied abroad for a year at a school that had about 200 kids.  I knew waaaay more about the shenanigans that went on at the school with 200 kids than 2500 kids, and I wasn't even fluent in the language for a lot of the year.

    I'd bet you can guess which one was an urban school and which one was a small town.  When you're in an urban school, people go do things outside of school or with outside friends, etc...  If you are on a small campus with 200 kids and those kids are a third of the population of the entire town, people are going to get bored and do more crazy stuff, and you will know about that crazy stuff, because people in small towns talk.  A lot.


    I first heard of trains in college. (none / 0) (#36)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:15:37 PM EST
    In the few stories I heard, and some of the stories were first-hand, there were some coeds who wanted multiple partners.

    In no possible terms am I in any way suggesting that Swetnick's experience was consensual.


    Really Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:09:31 PM EST
    I can't believe you graduated high school in that era and you saw nothing, you know nothing about trains being run on intoxicated young women. I just find that not even plausible.

    the drinking age was 18 (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 03:25:28 AM EST
    in New York, which meant we started with fake id's at 15. I never heard of any female student being forced to do anything. Not in high school or college. Although by college, alcohol was so last year other than an occasional beer. There were much more interesting substances around that went better with concerts, which was the major social activity, along with protesting.

    Same at my college (none / 0) (#103)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 08:39:51 AM EST
    Booze was passé.  Everyone smoked pot.  
    (And there were a lot of concerts and protests going on during which you could light up.)

    That is of course trye with most of us (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 08:53:26 AM EST
    When I was in college my friends did not do this and it did not happen in my circle

    Where it happened was over on fraternity row.  If this is what you wanted you went to frat parties

    Everyone knew it

    None of my friends would have been caught dead at a frat party.


    I was (none / 0) (#105)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 09:15:32 AM EST
    in a fraternity for about 2 1/2 semesters, and it was a debauchery, when I look back we were at least philosophically "rapey". The overall strategy was to loosen up the women with liquor, no one even doubted that or even questioned the morality of it(at least not out loud). For the record no always meant no to me and many of my peers and we were not nearly as bad as some of the other houses.

    The thing is most of the young ladies knew this and they still kept coming back. I don't want to generalize, but the ones I talked to were quite aware of the dangers they faced yet the lure of the party overrode that.


    Very true (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 09:30:06 AM EST
    The friend I heard most of this from was a woman who toyed with the frat lifestyle before becoming a hippy.

    Everyone knew.  It had never happened to her but to her friends it did.  There was no undue amount of shame attached to having this happen.

    Like this says We Didn't Call It Rape


    I (none / 0) (#108)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 09:35:27 AM EST
    also ran from the frat life into the arms of hippiedom.

    FTR (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 09:36:39 AM EST
    At that time and place at least Frat boys (and girls) and hippies were like oil and water.

    We despised everything about the whole frat thing


    No offense Joe (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 09:37:41 AM EST

    The fraternity (none / 0) (#113)
    by jmacWA on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 12:27:03 PM EST
    that I was in WAS the hippies.

    I guess the difference is we weren't a big 10 school this was Pratt Institute, primarily an art school.

    One of the highlights of my frat life was the procession of the basket ball team (Div 3 of course) that would show up on a game night to get some drugs for the post game celebration.


    The fraternities and sororities (none / 0) (#114)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 01:19:38 PM EST
    Were very marginalized at the university I went to.  I didn't even know anyone who was in one or the other.
    Even the sports jocks were not that big a deal where I went.
    And thanks be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that both the frat guys and the sports guys were so unimportant.

    Trains (none / 0) (#40)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:32:11 PM EST
    I graduated HS in 1976 and never heard of trains at my school...or anywhere.

    And why didn't we report "the boys" in (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:01:42 PM EST
    "83"? They were a little older than us but their sexuality was forming too, just like ours was. Discussing rape was taboo. I couldn't really get my head around what they were doing. I was just a teenager. I understand the dynamics of what they were doing now. And I despise every one of them as an adult, have for years and they all know it.

    And what our leaders did to Anita Hill let us all know to not talk.


    Trains (none / 0) (#75)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:46:06 PM EST
    I graduated high school in `56 and heard of trains at Jefferson High School in Portland.  There were 4,000 students at Jeff in `56.

    You misunderstand when Jeralyn (and I) (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:41:51 PM EST
    graduated high school. Late '60s, not '80s or even '70s, MT.

    I thought she just turned 50 ish (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:55:20 PM EST

    I graduated h.s. the same year Kavanaugh did. The boys from privileged families at my high school were organizing some party rapes.


    Mid-60's (none / 0) (#46)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:03:08 PM EST
    For me, and I never heard of them, either.

    "Trains" were another one of those (none / 0) (#58)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 03:11:57 PM EST
    out-of-Vietnam things, from my experience.

    At least, those were the guys I heard about it from.

    But then, rape being seen as one of the spoils of war goes back to the Old Testament.


    The only 'trains" that I knew about... (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 12:24:18 AM EST
    were all named Lionel.

    I'm (none / 0) (#64)
    by FlJoe on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 04:23:28 PM EST
    pretty sure I was aware of the train concept in the late 60's or 70's. Absolutely not from personal experience but there were always stories out there.

    Jeralyn, the 1960s and the 1980s (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Towanda on Sat Sep 29, 2018 at 09:13:17 PM EST
    in high schools were quite different.

    Look at the data on high schoolers' alcohol consumption, alone, in those years.  Alcohol consumption by high schoolers soared in the early 1980s, exactly the time in question, to levels unseen before or since.  

    And I also went to a high school of 3000 in the same years that you did, although in the Midwest, and I am not sure that I heard about trains then -- although I know that I knew that term in college in the late 1960s.

    Of course,just because I did not know a term a decade and a half before the years when Kavanaugh went to high school would not cause me to disregard the evidence that it was a term in wide usage later or elsewhere.  


    We had a group of upperclassmen ... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:19:34 PM EST
    ... at my all-boys Catholic high school that ran a train, only they called it the "posse." When I was a junior, we had a scandal when two seniors were expelled just two months shy of graduation, after having been arrested and charged with sexual assault on the same girl, who attended our sister all-girls Catholic high school just up the street.

    Avenatti is daring (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:46:05 AM EST
    Any of them to bad mouth HIS client.  

    Because he lible/slander central.


    I don't know what to expect in the short run 8-P

    But I think this nomination is dead.  They may have to vote to shut the Dear Leader up but it is dead.

    Kavanaugh Thursday will not happen.

    we still have Rosenstein Thursday.


    That's why she chose him (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:51:28 AM EST
    I realize not everyone is enamored with Avenatti, I am lukewarm at best. But he vociferously defends his client. If I was coming forward as a victim and witness of gang rape he would be my choice. I would need a fighter to feel safe enough to survive the bashing coming my way.

    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:56:23 AM EST
    I should say in any logical universe Kavanaugh Thursday would not happen.



    My heart breaks for the victims though (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:57:59 AM EST
    Amy Suskind feels certain that (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:00:38 AM EST
    The Republicans knew there were such credible allegations. If that is true I would really like a leak or two about that. And that would mean that Kavanaugh's wife knew too.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:57:09 PM EST
    with Amy. Prior to today 2 women had asked for FBI investigations into their own claims and the GOP said no. So they knew. And then there's the fact that they were hiding his records. How do we know this didn't come up in a security clearance? We don't actually.

    I would say the victims (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 11:02:49 AM EST
    Would be all for this

    Query: what is Avenatti's justification (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:57:13 PM EST
    for publishing a photo of his client?

    Humanizes her? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:04:23 PM EST
    Makes her a person to us? Not just a name?

    Why not? (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:59:09 PM EST
    Let's just get to it (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    This is entirely political.  Avenatti waited until today for strategic purposes.  It's all true

    Do you have a problem with that?


    I have a problem w/Avenatti publishing her photo. (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:02:25 PM EST
    He calaims he is trying to protect her.

    Do you know (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:05:03 PM EST
    It was not with her permission?

    Of course not. (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    For an alternate reason (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:24:02 PM EST
    When your client is named pictures will follow.  Maybe a better idea to give them one that to let them first one like I did in another thread for Rachel Mitchell.

    Oh yeah. Because in this town (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 03:31:55 PM EST
    We were getting a photo of her. She was never going to maintain any kind of anonymity. The minute she came forward that was over.

    You know what happened, you know what they were doing, but you want someone else to rip the scab off. Nobody else was coming forward so she pushed herself out in front of the plow train :(

    Suddenly memories are freeing up for people. More peers from Yale remembering blackout Brett.


    My feeling (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:58:12 PM EST
    is it is better for him to do it than the GOP. And you know the GOP is going to dig around and find a picture. So he got out in front of them.

    Agreed, (none / 0) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 03:06:06 PM EST
    Avenatti is a master of the media. He has no doubt given this a lot of thought...it is high stakes p.r.  

    I'd rather have (none / 0) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 01:16:15 PM EST
    Deborah Wilkinson who is one of Kavenaugh's lawyers.

    A former Army captain and graduate of Princeton and the University of Virginia, Wilkinson had a lengthy career in government before working in the private sector. She's served as Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District of New York, counsel to the Deputy Attorney General, and Principal Deputy of the Terrorism and Violent Crime Section, according to her official biography.

    Wilkinson has made a name for herself in numerous high-profile cases. As one of the prosecutors in the trial of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, Wilkinson successfully argued for McVeigh's execution, describing him as a "traitor [who] deserves to die." As her biography notes, she was also appointed Special Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of Florida to aid in the prosecution of former Panamanian military leader Manuel Noriega. After leaving the public sector, Wilkinson became a founding partner of the Washington D.C. firm Wilkinson Walsh Eskovitz, where she is now.

    Here she is arguing why Tsarnaev and other captured terrorists should be read Miranda rights.

    I think Avennati is a showboat. He's like the flip side of Trump. I'd rather have a lawyer with excellent and sharply honed litigation skills.

    I haven't read his latest dropping so I won't comment on that until I have.


    If I was Dr Blasey I could go (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:09:56 PM EST
    With Deborah Wilkinson, I saw her earlier this morning. She is impressive.

    But if I was a gang rape survivor who was ready to admit that I saw it happen to others, that's so much trauma. I would have to go with Avenatti.

    And truly, if a couple of other men want to showboat defending women who have survived rape, I think I'm good with that right now. Yeah, I'm good with it.


    Everyone is different, Jeralyn. (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:41:17 PM EST
    Each attorney has is or her own particular style. You're making this all too personal with Avenatti. And when we make things personal, it clouds our judgment, and that can cause us to dismiss or overlook things about that person which we might later come to regret. And yes, I would say the same thing to someone who leveled a similar personal criticism about you.

    Yep (none / 0) (#76)
    by linea on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 07:23:06 PM EST
    I agree with Jeralyn. Avenatti is Trumpy.

    Not trying to dis (none / 0) (#79)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:33:02 PM EST
    Wilkinson but did you read the statement.  It was obviously written by a lawyer who seems to be very experienced with going right up to the line but not crossing it.  The accuser never says Kavanaugh raped her, or anyone else.  Only that Kavanaugh went to parties where gang rape happened.  She does say Kavanaugh and his friend put alcohol in the jungle juice and that he was standing in line; not really something that is really serious.

    While I get why you would like Wilkinson my point is that while she is a legit lawyer that may not be what the accuser is looking for.  Earlier someone mentioned no one has said anything bad about the accuser with the implication if the did Avennati might sue if they did.  The thing is what could you say about someone who said Kavanaugh stood in line at a party for unspecified reasons and was with a friend who he possibly aided in putting alcohol in the punch.  Sure there are some implications of bad behavior but not much else.


    Is there a point? (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:36:36 PM EST
    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 08:42:45 PM EST
    and (none / 0) (#85)
    by linea on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 09:37:02 PM EST
    Beth Wilkinson, Kavanaugh's lawyer, on CNN [video]
    She makes several excellent points.

    Flake is about to speak (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:13:16 PM EST
    If it's what I think I gonna have to say I told ya so.

    I speculated (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:22:06 PM EST
    I guess (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 18, 2018 at 09:27:20 AM EST
    I was thinking that Flake might be the one to save the GOP from a potentially disastrous up or down vote on Kavanaugh by not voting him out of committee.
    Clearly exit ramps are being explored.  Flake is not running.


    He has not gotten to the point but ......


    I think (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 12:23:13 PM EST
    That was the point

    Flake (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 09:40:55 PM EST
    Is probably the exit ramp.  If there is a vote Friday all he has to do is say I need more information, as in an FBI investigation, before I vote and it never makes it out if committee.

    For sure (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:10:36 PM EST
    he can take the hit since he's retiring. However the GOP base is going to be raving mad.

    I don't think they will allow (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 08:00:38 AM EST
    An investigation.  They would have done it already if they thought he would survive it.

    Wrong on the facts (none / 0) (#96)
    by ragebot on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 02:28:54 AM EST
    The committee does not need to send a favorable vote for the nomination to have a floor vote.

    IN OTHER NOOZE (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:41:17 PM EST
    Trump just told the world China was trying to defeat him and republicans in the 2018 midterms.

    Senator Merkley (D OR) (none / 0) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 02:55:51 PM EST
    has filed a suit in a DC federal court to block the confirmation of Kavanaugh, claiming the WH has profoundly interfered in the advise and consent responsibilities of the senate, by withholding documents and, also, labeling some documents as "committee confidential."  Not too optimistic about the outcome, but, who knows, this is unchartered water.  

    And............ (none / 0) (#69)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:18:41 PM EST
    Yet another one.

    "According to an anonymous complaint sent to Republican Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, Kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman he socialized with in the Washington, D.C. area in 1998 while he was inebriated."


    After they stopped making Quaaludes (none / 0) (#70)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 06:23:14 PM EST
    they kept making Mandrax over in England and they were exactly the same formula.  Just heard today they are still making Mandy's in Australia.  The story came from a friend who had just returned from a surfing trip to Bondi Beach, Australia.  Oh those surfer dudes.

    Grassley (none / 0) (#89)
    by ragebot on Wed Sep 26, 2018 at 10:25:51 PM EST
    is now saying as the result of two interviews he has a written statemen under oath from a man copping to what Kavanaugh is accused of.

    Accordingly to Grassley the man was able to provide a lot more details than Ford did in her story.

    Not sure if there will be any more last minute shocks.

    Actually (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 06:44:15 AM EST
    there were 2 guys claiming the same thing. I laughed. This is the same thing Whelan tried to do the other day and that is blame someone else. And they did not name the person. It could be some nut who comes forward and takes credit for the crimes of other people.

    This makes me cry (none / 0) (#116)
    by linea on Thu Sep 27, 2018 at 11:52:06 PM EST
    Nick Drake - From The Morning [music video]

    News (none / 0) (#117)
    by linea on Fri Sep 28, 2018 at 12:53:48 AM EST

    Justice DY Chandrachud wrote in his opinion:

    Members of the LGBT community are entitled, as all other citizens, to the full range of constitutional rights including the liberties protected by the Constitution. Members of the LGBT community are entitled to the benefit of an equal citizenship, without discrimination, and to the equal protection of law.

    Emouluments (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 29, 2018 at 09:37:36 AM EST
    Who (none / 0) (#123)
    by FlJoe on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 11:51:02 AM EST
    said tRump was heartless?
    the president also declared his love for the brutal North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un.

    I can't wait to see the yearbook entry for this one
    "I like him, he likes me!" Trump declared, adding that "We were going back and forth, and then we fell in love. No really! He wrote me beautiful letters. And they are great letters. We fell in love."
    Kim Jong alumni perhaps?

    No one needs to know this (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 11:58:57 AM EST
    Let us never speak of it again.

    Asians love mushrooms


    Spike (none / 0) (#125)
    by FlJoe on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 12:08:31 PM EST
    the punch with magic mushrooms, Kissinger used that trick with Pol Pot, I hear.

    Ooh! Love letters. (none / 0) (#131)
    by vml68 on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 07:41:20 PM EST
    I did not expect Tr*mp to be the kind to have an old fashioned romance.
    These are cracking me up!  


    Methinks (none / 0) (#143)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 01, 2018 at 07:09:59 PM EST
    Putin will be sending him one of these The 2018 Vladimir Putin calendar How could he resist those piercing blue eyes(how could you fall for that squat Asian anyway?). Come on Vlad, work your best from Russia with love magic, you can win him back.

    DPRK News Service (none / 0) (#136)
    by vml68 on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 09:13:25 PM EST
    Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un prefers to remain "good friends" with Donald Trump.

    Somebody is going to need an extra slice of chocolate and multiple scoops of icecream tonight :-)!


    Just in case anyone is unaware, DPRK (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by vml68 on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 09:27:23 PM EST
    News service on twitter is a spoof.

    Today I have a throbbing toothache. (none / 0) (#126)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 02:09:04 PM EST
    Nothing in that special drawer is working.  Getting old is bad enough, but being old is worse.  Guess I'll move on to whiskey like all good cowboys do.

    Ouch. Sorry. (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 02:23:47 PM EST
    I hate even thinking about that. Sorry. (none / 0) (#128)
    by desertswine on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 05:27:14 PM EST
    How do teeth (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 05:30:52 PM EST
    Know it's Sunday?

    It's always Sunday.


    Not true. (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 07:11:58 PM EST
    Sometimes it's Saturday night.

    This one started Friday night, (none / 0) (#132)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 08:30:08 PM EST
    and horrors of horrors I think I can move it with two fingers which adds another dimension of pain induced fear.  I'm not brushing tonight.  I clacked my electric toothbrush against it this morning and that was very bad.

    No on call DDS? (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 08:35:25 PM EST
    Nope. (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 08:45:42 PM EST
    Gotta wait for my Cuban dentista mañana up in Homestead.  Think I'll go for a tequila mouthwash tonight.  

    Did the dentista come through? (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 01, 2018 at 10:44:58 PM EST
    We're worried about you.

    No Peter, La dentist did not fix (none / 0) (#146)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 02, 2018 at 06:55:43 AM EST
    my tooth.  The x-rays show the root is ok and she could see no problems.  We talked about pulling it anyway, but decided not to.  She gave me some 800mg Ibuprofens and antibiotics and said wait another week.  Meanwhile it is still very painful.  Thank you for your concern.

    BUMMER (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by jmacWA on Tue Oct 02, 2018 at 08:54:48 AM EST
    Sorry fish

    Ah yes, the ongoing tooth saga. (none / 0) (#148)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 02, 2018 at 04:39:44 PM EST
    It is much better today due in part to those 800mg Ibu's, and maybe the z-pac of antibiotics.  I don't think it's infected.  Remembering  the entirety clear x-ray views of the root of the tooth I'm glad now that she didn't pull it.  I think , now that I can close my mouth without pain, the teeth on the bad side, all of them, are a tiny bit higher than the good side.  So next week I'll zip up to the 2nd most dangerous city in Florida, Homestead, and see about lowering the level of my teeth and raising the level of my happiness.

    Good luck fish, nothing worse than tooth (none / 0) (#149)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 02, 2018 at 04:53:17 PM EST

    There's gotta be a bunch (none / 0) (#135)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 08:50:41 PM EST
    of home remedies for a toothache online, I'm guessing.

    They always say oil of clove works.


    Yes jondee you are right about clove oil, (none / 0) (#138)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 10:16:23 PM EST
    but I don't have any and everything shuts down early here in the keys.  Well the one strip club is open, but I'm finding if I lower my blood flow to that of an Iguana, of which we have too many, the throbbing slows too...  The strip club May take my mind off the pain, but my blood would be rushing around too much in this ancient body..  I'm flat on my back in bed doing the Iguana.  I'll be fine by noon mañana.  Maybe I'll buy one of those new iPhones to cheer myself up.  Thank y'all for your concern.  

    I've had my share of toothaches (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 30, 2018 at 10:42:48 PM EST
    there aren't many things more capable of driving one to distraction.

    Btw, I think you might have the beginning of catchy song there with that "doing the iguana..I'll be fine by noon manana" Puts me a little in mind of Tom Thumb's Blues by Dylan.

    Hope you're feeling better soon.


    I hope (none / 0) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 01, 2018 at 10:44:08 AM EST
    you get relief soon. A friend and I were discussing one time child birth. She said child birth is the most painful thing ever. I said no, a toothache is. She changed her mind and agreed.

    Universal Home Care (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 01, 2018 at 05:39:07 PM EST
    On the ballot

    "Question 1," a.k.a. the Universal Home Care proposal, represents a radical overhaul of how a state might pay for senior care and is a new front in the battle over health care for all. The activists behind the initiative, bolstered by a streak of successes, are betting that it will, at least in Maine, transform home care into a desirable career. The idea is to fund the creation of a new workforce and eliminate the ragtag safety net that leaves families in the lurch. UHC would tax wealthy Mainers to cover home care for any senior who needs it. It would also raise wages by requiring that at least 77 percent of the funds the program pays to home care agencies goes toward compensating the workers. (Relatives caring for family members could receive a stipend.) It's a Bernie-esque approach to a heretofore intractable problem


    NIGHTMARE CLASSICS (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 01, 2018 at 08:15:17 PM EST
    A SHOWTIME series from the late 80s

    Really good. I never heard of this and kind off an across it on the web.

    Seems to be 4 feature length episodes.  All are on YouTube

    here is TURN OF THE SCREW