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    "I remember Pearl Harbor" (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 03:25:28 PM EST
    says the guy born in 1947. Bone Spurs is stupid, stupid, stupid.

    And, (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 04:12:23 PM EST
    Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was born in 1954.

    He just meant he remembered (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 05:26:56 PM EST
    There was a thing called Pearl Harbor.

    You know, when Ike dropped the a-bomb.

    He's very smart.


    yes, (none / 0) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 05:40:05 PM EST
    Smart and educable. Trump used to believe that the Japanese attacked Pearl Bailey..Trump University taught him that the Japanese attacked Minnie Pearl.  Betsy Delos set him straight.

    Is Delos (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 06:35:58 PM EST
    A typeo?  Betsy is a tad robotic but that had not occurred to me.

    Maybe Lindsey (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 05:28:06 PM EST
    Wants to be AG?

    Letters to the editor (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:03:05 PM EST
    I get mine published all the time, this week my 98 y.o. mother had one printed.

    Here is hers:

    Judge Kavanaugh says that Roe v. Wade is "settled law," a neat evasion of his future action should an opportunity arise to act.

    Republicans compelled insurance companies to pay for Viagra when Viagra was widely advertised. Viagra enhanced male machismo; all family planning for women was bitterly opposed under the pretense of anti-abortion.

    To truly decrease abortion, women must have access to some protection. Haven't we learned anything from the recent #MeToo?

    Here are my contributions, published a a few days apart.

    Donald Trump's campaign website, which is still online, has the following statement: "If elected I will appoint a special prosecutor to look into Crooked Hillary's emails and get the answers the American people deserve."

    Any day now.

    Despite that being in the public record, we now hear Mr. Trump's defenders, as well as a defendant indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller III, claim that the special prosecutor is a violation of the Constitution. If they felt that way in 2016, they didn't have to vote for the man who promised to appoint one.


    Mr. Trump's attorneys do not want him to talk to Robert Mueller because they believe he would be "walking into a perjury trap."

    A few years ago Republican members of Congress set a perjury trap for Hillary Clinton, by asking her to testify about the events of Benghazi.  She agreed, but only on the condition that her sworn testimony was carried on live TV.  After eleven hours of testimony, no one could think of another question to ask her.

    That is how you deal with a perjury trap.  You don't "walk into it."  You kick the door open on your way in, you make sure the public gets to see it, and you refuse to leave until they run out of questions.


    The decision by news media to editorialize condemning the current administration has drawn considerable criticism from the right.  We are told that 93% negative coverage is "unfair."  After all, Kim Jong Un gets glowing coverage in his media..

    Whoever wrote "The Emperor's New Clothes" was a keen student of human nature.

    (Sigh!) You want to tell him - or should I? (none / 0) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 10:20:08 PM EST
    "They want to raid Medicare to pay for socialism."
    - Fearless Leader, at his rally in Indiana tonight

    This jackwagon makes Dan Quayle look like a phuquin' Rhodes scholar.


    My gut feeling is Dems in Florida (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:32:58 PM EST
    made a major mistake tonight that will cost them the race for Governor in November and the chance to be in charge of redistricting after the 2020 census.

    Gillum did fine in the usual Dem leaning counties but not so well in the usual GOP leaning counties (which are numerous). That has been a recipe for failure in recent statewide elections.

    Just like 2002 when Florida Dems chose a bumbling Bill McBride over Janet Reno, I think they may have missed the boat again.

    Whether you agree with all her stances or not, I believe Gwen Graham was the route to go to put a Dem back in charge in Tallahassee.

    Can Andrew Gillum be the headline candidate to get Democrats to flock to the polls in a non-presidential election year?

    Time will tell.

    Armando was for Graham (none / 0) (#20)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:38:16 PM EST
    and thought the GOP could beat Gillum.  

    So, the Bernie people need to prove now they can bring  a lot of new people to the polls.


    Hoping this proves wrong but (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Coral on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 12:33:20 PM EST
    With my relatives and their friends in FL, I fear Gillum faces a real uphill climb. Although most of the right-wingers I know there wouldn't have voted for Graham either.

    The one hopeful note is that perhaps getting young people and POC out to vote--with attractive candidacy of Gillum--will keep Nelson in Senate.

    Health care is the one area that might really help. No one I know in FL is happy with their options. Medicare for All, expanded Medicaid, could play well.

    The environmental advocates I know in FL are strongly against GOP--so would vote for any Democrat in the race.


    I'm guessing the Tent will be correct (none / 0) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:47:42 PM EST
    I am really hoping he is wrong. (none / 0) (#25)
    by vml68 on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 10:58:30 PM EST
    I cannot imagine DeSantis as Governor.

    DeSantis is off (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 09:39:24 AM EST
    to a Trumpian start urging Florida's "not to monkey this up", by electing Andrew Gillum.

    I just saw this (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 10:01:46 AM EST
    The interesting thing was along with saying that he also said pretty much what I said below.  Basically this guy is good.  He may be a leftie but he is smart and charismatic and he is a threat.  

    Even FOX NEWS (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:29:48 PM EST
    Denounced this

    Pretty amazing


    He might be right but (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 08:10:18 AM EST
    I just saw Mr Gillum on MJ.   He is an impressive guy.

    Gillum won they say because of young voters.  This seems to be a pattern appearing.  This might be the year young voters make it to the polls.  We can probably thank Cheeto if we get the first governor of color in two deep south States.

    One thing is sure.  With Trump already warning of violence if republicans lose we can be sure he will make November about racial fears and loathing.

    It will be ugly.

    From what I have seen (not much, not paying attention) I would not count Gillum out.  He may be far left but Desantis is even farther right.

    FL will be the last stand of the blue hairs.


    One thing he did (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 08:26:25 AM EST
    That had me yelling "YEAH KID, TELL 'UM" was something close to what Abrams has said when asked by stupid reporters what was there plan to 'win back' all those Trump voters who hate you.  (Paraphrase)
    'Screw those people.  I am going after the half of the public who don't vote because no one is talking about them'

    I believe this approach is going to work.  


    Abram's (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 02:45:47 PM EST
    problem is that she is ignoring some gettable vote in the suburbs writing it off as Trumpers when it is not Trump territory while Kemp is trying to get those votes. I will be very surprised if she doesn't start falling further behind in polling.

    Gillum best poll was 12% (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:09:42 PM EST
    He got 34.3.

    The reason for that is the people who voted for him, and the people Abrams is targeting, do not get polled because the are not regular voters.  Many may have never voted before


    Right. (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:17:01 PM EST
    I get it but Abrams is counting on that for a general election all the while ignoring other voters. Seems to me the best shot she would have is to try to get both groups of voters.

    I rely on Armando quite a bit for insights (none / 0) (#38)
    by vml68 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 01:22:53 PM EST
    into FL politics. So, I did not pay as much attention to Gillum as I did Graham and Levine. Hearing Gillum in interviews yesterday and also today, I have to say I think he might have a chance against DeSantis. Both counties I live in right now, on the east and west coast of FL voted for Gillum.

    He even beat her (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 03:47:58 PM EST
    In the panhandle.

    I don't have your faith in the blue hairs. (none / 0) (#39)
    by vml68 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 01:37:46 PM EST
    They voted for Rick Scott twice! The man who 'oversaw the largest Medicare fraud' in U.S. history.

    I am hoping the environmental disaster that FL has been dealing with the past few months has people waking up to the damage Republican policies are causing this state.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 03:46:55 PM EST
    Not very clear

    What I meant to say was the blue hairs are and always have been the problem.

    This is the year they may lose.


    NO, Dems have to prove they will vote for Dems (none / 0) (#130)
    by Palli on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 04:28:21 PM EST
    Why isn't it a test for all Dems whether they will support the Democratic ticket. If Dems don't, that's on them.
    Is old fashion incrementalism the difference between one Dem candidate-Gwen Graham-and another candidate now nominee-Andrew Gillum. Or something else.

    Well (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 02:42:03 PM EST
    I don't know much about FL politics but I will say that he probably has better chance than Abrams. Abrams so far has run a really lackluster campaign. I knew her tax problem was going to be an issue but every candidate has baggage. However, her response to Kemp hitting her on the head with the tax issue over and over has really been blah. I'm afraid we're going to have relearn the Dukakis lesson over again with some of these candidates.

    That was my take too (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:05:25 AM EST
    I voted for Graham myself, but Gillum makes a great point when he says that Dems have tried that strategy in Fl for 20 years and it hasn't worked. I hope he is right.

    Turns out my niece worked with him in a liberal coalition group in 2008 when she was a student at FSU. He wasn't a student of course, but a local leader. She was impressed then.

    I guess the die is cast and we are trying it his way. I hope it works!


    I think (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:24:08 AM EST
    If it is EVER going to work, this is the year.

    Stacey (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 09:23:49 PM EST
    Abrams is saying the same thing Gillum is. However it has been tried in GA and failed. Obama said teh same thing back in 2008 that he could carry GA if he got high minority turnout yada yada much the same as Abrams is saying. We've also tried it the other way. Neither worked here. However, the good news is that Florida is not Georgia.

    Abrams and Gillum (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 07:11:36 AM EST
    Both ahead in recent polls.   Within the margin.  But ahead.

    The poll (none / 0) (#141)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 08:25:55 PM EST
    that showed Stacey ahead was by Gravis and thought by most here in GA to not be accurate. Survey USA did one and they are better. They had Kemp ahead by 2 points. More than likely it's tied right now but Kemp is hitting Stacey over and over about her tax problems. She has not really responded. It will be interesting to see what polls start to show now. Kemp is supposed to be having Trump come and campaign for him in October. I'm not sure that is going to help him and might actually hurt him.

    Love to know (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:46:14 PM EST
    How many times SPELL CHECK has turned Gillum into Gollum in the last 24 hours.

    Chuck Schumer needs to go (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by smott on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 05:32:41 PM EST
    Zero opposition to reams of Trump judges.
    All he needs is a single Dem in the Senate to force McConnell to get 51 votes any time he wants to do anything.
    But no.
    Because Dems are in the minority does not mean that they should not fight every single step of the way. This is why people think Dems are weak and useless.

    There should be a Dem on TV every day yelling about Kavanaugh, the lack of transparency, his ridiculous baseball ticket deals.
    But no.

    Total abdication by Schumer. Screw him.

    Read Adam Jentleson on Twitter for better discriptions than I can give.
    But screw Schumer.

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 05:54:41 PM EST
    But I have believed that about Schumer for a long time. He is one the most spineless Democrats in existence.

    Vigeland Park (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 06:38:35 PM EST
    There is a movie running on HBO called THE SNOWMAN.  it's a cop mystery.  It's ok.  But it has scenes shot in this amazing sculpture park in Norway I had never heard of.

    here's a video

    It makes me want to visit Norway.

    reminds me of (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by leap on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 09:46:59 AM EST
    Let's go!!! (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 11:07:01 AM EST
    Lighten up RickyJim. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 02:13:50 PM EST
    I rather doubt that MT and Donald care what rating you give them.  I know I don't.

    Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday signed sweeping legislation to eliminate cash bail in California. The change, which will take effect in October 2019, goes further than any other state in the country to remove money from pretrial detention.

    "Today, California reforms its bail system so that rich and poor alike are treated fairly," Brown said in a statement.

    Under Senate Bill 10, California will replace bail with "risk assessments" of individuals and non-monetary conditions of release. Counties will establish local agencies to evaluate any individual arrested on felony charges for their likelihood of returning for court hearings and their chances of rearrest.

    Well, this should be interesting...

    Some of the most vocal supporters of the bill reversed their position after amendments gave much of the decision-making power on who should be released to county courts. The American Civil Liberties Union of California said that would only exacerbate "racial biases and disparities that permeate our justice system."

    About 10 years ago, (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 04:04:48 PM EST
    it seems, and being allowed to be lost in the public eye by distractions,  there was a plea agreement by Trump's former private lawyer, Michael Cohen.  Cohen told a federal judge, under oath, that Trump directed him to arrange payments to two women, Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels, who claim to have had an affair with Trump,"for the principal purpose of influencing the election."

    Trump is, consistent with Cohen's plea, a co-conspirator, although, as expected, Trump and his defenders, have taken to discount this serious crime as a "reporting violation" or that Trump paid with his own money so it doesn't count.

     Neal Katyal, acting solicitor general during the Obama Administration, provides, in an interesting NYTimes op ed, a primer on the idea of conspiracy liability v. actions by a lone actor:  When two people agree to commit a crime, it is worse for society than when a lone actor does. Conspiracy is a separate offense, punished independently without calibration to the underlying crime.

    I think the AZ senate primary (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 05:34:14 PM EST
    Could be closer than polls suggest.

    The only reason McSally has a chance is because there are 2 bat guano crazy candidates

    Ms Ward could surprise.  I don't think they are crazy enough to do crazy Joe but they could vote for Kelly

    If it comes (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 05:49:51 PM EST
    out like it did here in GA the biggest Trumper wins the primary but then pretends they are not a Trumper.

    I suspect McSally wins easily (none / 0) (#15)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:10:13 PM EST
    and Ward is just as nutty as Crazy Joe.

    She had been 20 points ahead (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:13:30 PM EST
    But today RCP had it as 8

    Anyone but McSally winning (none / 0) (#18)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:35:01 PM EST
    gives Dems a better chance in November, but it also risks another bat shi!t crazy person headed to congress.

    How do you FL folks feel (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:37:56 PM EST
    About Gillum winning the gov primary?

    Desantis seems beatable


    Unfortunately De Santis has both Trump (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 12:49:43 PM EST
    and Governor Scott, with all his offshore bucks, behind him.  He is a nut case like CG says, but it's the money that buys the tv ads that the uninformed believe.  We have a history here in Florida of electing the wrong guy.

    I just heard a guy (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 12:56:28 PM EST
    Talking about this race pointing out money is not what it used to be in this age of hyper polarization

    Gillum spent very little.  With almost 100 mill spent by other democrats.  Trump spent very little money

    Yesterday this guy couldn't get arrested.  He wasn't even third in the polls.

    It was entirely grass roots.  


    I guess if you can elect a guy (none / 0) (#41)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 02:19:31 PM EST
    Governor who was implicated in one of the biggest fraud cases in U.S history, anythings possible in Florida

    Now I see it (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:39:05 PM EST
    DeSantis is a nut (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:46:05 PM EST
    and his odds of victory just skyrocketed.

    It's never good to nominate someone (Gillum) when their office is being investigated by the FBI. The taint of that will stick through November no matter the outcome of the investigation.


    Read Armando (none / 0) (#116)
    by smott on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 07:16:06 AM EST
    This will be a Maryland replay.
    Gillum is involved in an FBI investigation, between that, racist robocalls and GOP ads showing him w Sanders, he will not get many non-POC non-liberal Dem votes.
    FL is not progressive.

    Graham was the best chance.
    But I'd vote Gillum if I could.


    Trying to picture... (none / 0) (#155)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 10:33:07 AM EST
    a non-liberal white Democrat is.  Isn't that a Republican?

    A leftward ho with credible candidates with liberal/progressive bonafides will bring in more votes than it will lose.  Key word credible.  2018 is not 2008...with every passing year more old white people die and more young people and poc reach voting age.  The game is changing, Democrats need to make sure they ain't caught watching the paint dry.  


    Sinema seems (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 08:40:04 PM EST
    to be oaky against any of them.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#37)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 01:01:34 PM EST
    Before the general is over, McSally may be mistaken for Arpaio in drag. Only have to recall how far the already right wing McCain went to the right in his last run.

    I was conflicted. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 08:17:32 AM EST
    I kinda sorta wanted Ward to win, as she may have beatable in November. She is definitely from crazytown.  But on the flipside, I liked seeing her numbers. Arizonans repudiated the doctor from crazytown. I give them credit for that. I think AZ is done with Sheriff Joe.

    It almost funny Trump (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 06:33:03 PM EST
    Is predicting violence from the left if the GOP loses in Nov.

    It doesn't even make sense in through the looking glass Trumpland.

    Why would there be violence if the GOP loses?  I could see the possibility if they win.  If they lose the only thing the left would do violently is party.

    Fear is the only thing (none / 0) (#31)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 12:12:19 PM EST
    the GOP has had to sell for years now. And the party faithful get in line.

    Projection, pure and simple n/t (none / 0) (#33)
    by Coral on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 12:35:27 PM EST
    More that even that I think (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 12:59:37 PM EST
    If the GOP loses the house the will likely be violence.  From the right.  

    Just getting a jump on blaming ANTIFA.

    which btw means anti fascist


    How many ANTIFA people (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 02:09:02 PM EST
    actually are there in the U.S?

    A few hundred maybe at most, not counting the inevitable Project Veritas provocateur punks sprinkled in their midst.

    Leave it to the right-wing noise machine to make a Godzilla-sized boogie man out of negligible phenomenon.


    Seattle and Portland (none / 0) (#80)
    by linea on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 08:25:05 PM EST
    Have the highest number of ANARCHISTS and ANTIFA.

    How many ANTIFA people  (#40)
    by jondee
    actually are there in the U.S? A few hundred maybe at most, not counting the inevitable Project Veritas provocateur punks sprinkled in their midst.

    My guess, serious ANTIFA movement members are probably FIVE TIMES the number of actual Nazis and KKK members in the USA. Which is to say, a marginalized minuscule amount. But the Anarchist/Antifa demonstrations draw a substantial number of disaffected YOUNG MALES who are eager to commit violence against people and property.

    I've never heard of `Project Veritas` but I know something of Antifa in Europe and the recent promotion of Antifa in the USA.

    The european ANARCHISTS developed out of the punk-rock movement in modern Germany and progressed to ANTIFA (which initially spread to the urban centers of Sweden and then the UK) and later was promoted via the internet to the USA. The ANARCHISTS are an anti-Capitalist `Libertarian-Communist' movement. ANTIFA appeared in the USA with the exact flags, colors, symbols, slogans, and ideology as the older European ANTIFA because it was actively promoted in the USA by BLACK BLOCK groups in Germany and Sweden as a response to the USA elevating for election a FAR-RIGHT Populist for President.

    ANARCHISTS and ANTIFA (i.e., `Black Block'j are the same. Same people, same objectives, same endorsement of violence for an imagined idyllic utopianism. No rational person should be supporting or excusing them.


    Linea, where are your backup facts (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 08:43:09 PM EST
    that portray my hometown Portland, Oregon as having the highest number of anarchists?  I'm calling BS on your comment.

    Just make it up (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:06:27 AM EST
    My guess, serious ANTIFA movement members are probably FIVE TIMES the number of actual Nazis and KKK members in the USA. Which is to say, a marginalized minuscule amount. But the Anarchist/Antifa demonstrations draw a substantial number of disaffected YOUNG MALES who are eager to commit violence against people and property.

    The nicest thing about saying "my guess" is that it can be followed by a completely specious, unsupported claim and made up numbers.

    In reality, neo-nazis, white nationalists, KKK, etc. are all over the country.  No rational person should be supporting or excusing them, or trying to minimize the danger they pose.  Nor should they make laughable, false comparisons to Antifa groups.  It's only slightly less pathetic than when Trump does it.


    Turning Orange County blue (none / 0) (#44)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 02:59:26 PM EST
    Hillary won Orange County by 9 points.   A Dem had not carried the County since FDR.

    There are 5 House seats that are located in, or partially in Orange County. Right now, the GOP holds 4 seats, and the Dems 1.   The Dems have a chance of taking all 5.

    The strongest GOPer, Mimi Walters, is basically tied with the Dem candidate right now.  GOP is advertising heavily for Walters, but appears to have given up on the others, including Issa's old seat.

    And, the Dems have an outside shot at taking Devin Nunes's seat--he is up north and inland in Tulare County.  

    It could be a blue bloodbath come November.


    PA (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 03:10:54 PM EST
    looks to be a state where the GOP is looking at a bloodbath this November too since their gerrymandering has been over turned. Here in GA we have 2 or 3 house seats that are possible flips the 6th and the 7th. Handel only won by around 4 points I think against Ossoff. Woodall represents and incresasingly diverse electorate and his district is only about +7 R.

    I soooo hope you are right. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 03:50:43 PM EST
    I loathe my congress critter, Scott Perry. He currently represents the PA 4th, which is now in the Philadelphia area. Perry is running for re-election to represent the newly drawn PA 10th district. Cook has it at R+6. But, the PA 10th has little more urban to it and a little less rural. Fingers crossed that Dems get off their butts and vote.

    I heard that there are now in PA (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:12:08 PM EST
    More registered voters under 35 that there are over 35.

    And not just in PA.


    Truly (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:13:25 PM EST
    feel your pain after reading about Perry and the fact that he is a member of the free dumb caucus. I have one those myself. Dumb is almost an understatement when it comes to those reps.

    The final straw for me (none / 0) (#59)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 08:08:50 PM EST
    was his appearance on a stage with Steve King and Geert Wilders. He also claimed the the Las Vegas shooter was in league with ISIS. There's hardly a right wing conspiracy theory he won't buy into.

    A tried and true (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 28, 2018 at 07:44:59 PM EST
    Distraction from McCain week. May fire Sessions.

    Still (none / 0) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Wed Aug 29, 2018 at 04:12:39 PM EST
    wondering what cards Sessions still holds, his Senate support seems to be eroding. I always thought that his strong support there was his bastion.

    The real wild card is how much does Sessions know about the Russian game? He has talked to Mueller for several hours and you have to wonder what he spilled. How much will he spill if and when he becomes a private citizen?


    Trump does not (none / 0) (#60)
    by KeysDan on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 08:24:47 AM EST
    like Sessions Southern accent, saying it sounds like he is talking with marbles in his mouth. And, Trump does not like Sessions Alabama education.
    ..Huntington College in Montgomery, and University of Alabama law.  The populist Trump likes Ivies.  Wonder what Lindsey thinks of this.

    Wil S Hylton Interviews Glen Greenwald (none / 0) (#61)
    by RickyJim on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 09:20:21 AM EST
    Fascinating interview.  Roughly, Hylton represents what people on this board think while Greenwald represents my point of view.  To summarize one point, Greenwald (and I) think it much more likely that Trump will be brought down by matters relating to taxes and money laundering rather than paying off porn stars and "colluding" with Russians during the 2016 election campaign.

    I think it's (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 02:58:25 PM EST
    gonna be all of them. He is going to be found to have been in contact with the Russians regarding emails which are stolen. So there's that along with all the money laundering he has been doing for the Russians over the years.

    Greenwald has been completely off on anything regarding Russia and has basically become a Putin apologist.


    I thought this tweet-storm ... (none / 0) (#69)
    by magster on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 03:57:53 PM EST
    ... sets forth a realistic progression of events that, God-willing, will have Trump resigning by January of next year.  

    That is an (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 05:48:57 AM EST
    interesting tweet storm and I hope he is right about Trump being gone in January of 2019.

    I tend to agree with that as well. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 09:40:02 AM EST
    I think he's been involved in some VERY shady financial dealings his entire career. A big reason for not releasing his tax returns. I have no doubt that the Trump Organization is one shell company on top of another. The porn stuff doesn't help. But I think you are right. Taxes, money laundering and questionable financial transactions will be ultimate undoing.

    If you mean removed from office (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 09:30:43 AM EST
    Sure, because those are always the easiest charges to prove outta the gate when dealing with a criminal organization. Doesn't have anything to do with guilt.

    But in the end all will be known.


    I'm kind of jealous (none / 0) (#64)
    by CST on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 10:10:55 AM EST
    Of all the states with real primaries and elections happening.

    My prediction for MA - every single incumbent gets re-elected.  Granted, our entire congressional delegation is currently Democrats, but our Governor is a Republican and some of those Democrats really really suck (like my congressman - who voted to extend abortion restrictions to the healthcare bill but didn't vote for the healthcare bill itself - Lynch).

    Unfortunately the person who ran against him in the primary doesn't have any connection to the district and has barely campaigned.  I still voted for her, but it won't be enough.

    Glioblastoma (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 11:45:21 AM EST
    Not a common thing.  It seems odd that McCain, proceeded by Ted Kennedy who died on the same day years earlier and Bo Biden, son of the guy making his featured memorial today all die of this rather exotic disease

    Wiki says this

    About 3 per 100,000 people develop the disease a year.

    Not suggesting a conspiracy theory.  Just seems odd.

    My father (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 03:00:10 PM EST
    died of pancreatic cancer and I had three high school classmates have parents die of the same. I wondered if there wasn't some sort of environmental thing going on in my home town. Pancreatic cancer is not that common.

    Omarosa - Unhinged (none / 0) (#70)
    by RickyJim on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 04:29:29 PM EST
    Until this book came out,I had only the vaguest notion of who Omarosa was.  I have never watched "The Apprentice" or indeed any "reality show".  Maybe that's my loss in understanding the Trump phenomenon since a number of people who are still in Trump's corner have told me they have been fans of his from the time he was the star of that show.

    I listened to the audiobook version, read by the author.  I was surprised that her voice did not give any hint of her ethnicity.  She explained that she learned to speak like a radio announcer while she was in college.

    As of now, I am willing to believe almost everything she says about Trump in the book.  She claims she has about 200 audiotapes to back her up.  That is not to say she comes across as a 100% sympathetic figure.  For example, she took a job as West Coast Editor of the National Enquirer in which she worked for two years.  This was arranged by Trump with David Pecker in exchange for Omarosa dropping a law suit against the tabloid.  They had published an article where they turned a eulogy that she gave at her brother's funeral into an "exclusive interview".

    There is plenty of tabloid style gossip in the book which again, I find credible - like Ivanka's potty mouth and Trump describing Kushner while he was dating Ivanka as "sweet" (gay).  However instead of giving more of that I will give two long quotes that describe Trump's deterioration from Apprentice to White House days.

    First physical:

    He is clearly obese. During the first season of The Apprentice, he was tall and svelte. In the ensuing seasons, Donald expanded slowly but surely. In 2007, he didn't have a belly yet or the jowl. By 2012, he'd probably put on thirty pounds eating a junk-food-only diet. His preference for steak well done with ketchup has offended many chefs all over the world. The world has yet to learn about the extent of Donald Trump's Diet Coke habit. He always had one in his hand, as far back as I've known him. He's up to eight cans a day, at least. Eight cans a day, for the last fifteen years, is 43,800 cans of Diet Coke, poured into his system.
    In the White House, he just pushes a button in a wooden box on his desk. He can summon anything with that button. Whenever I went in to brief him, he'd push the button and get us Diet Cokes.
    When I started to have grave concerns for his mental health, I connected the dots to his physical health and poor choices, specifically, his soda habit.
    I researched it, and found a brand-new study by a team of neurologists from Boston University that linked Diet Coke consumption with dementia and increased risk of stroke.

    Second mental:
    In our briefings, Trump's attention was scattered. He was distracted, irritable, and short. Normally when DJT got into one of these moods, you knew to give him time and space. But in this case I could not. I was going over his speech, but he couldn't retain any of the bullet points. I went over them again and again, and what he should say to the press after the event. But he couldn't remember the key points and stumbled over large words, which we scratched out and replaced with simpler terms.
    The change in him since his prime was dramatic. Back on season one of The Apprentice, there had been a mix-up on one of the episodes where a contestant lost money on a task, and they were discussing figures. Donald Trump repeated a lengthy numbers sequence with no notes in front of him, calculated them in his head in moments, and came to his conclusion that the math-addled contestant should be fired. That was how sharp he used to be. Now? The blade had been dulled.

    Now, that is serious.

    How is Omarosa supposed to sound? (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2018 at 10:09:46 PM EST
    RickyJim: "I listened to the audiobook version, read by the author. I was surprised that her voice did not give any hint of her ethnicity."

    Like Florida or Thelma Evans in "Good Times"?



    Sorry I am Not 100% Free of Racism (1.00 / 1) (#75)
    by RickyJim on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 10:03:24 AM EST
    Are you?  Since I hardly ever watch commercial television, I mistakenly think I can usually tell if a person is black from listening to them.

    She made the mistake of trying to mimic Trump's New York accent when quoting him.  It came off as a sort of gangsta Brooklynese, not sounding like Trump at all.  Besides that, she was a delight to hear reading her book.


    How typical (none / 0) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 10:35:17 AM EST
    The everyone does it defense

    The Typical Politically Correct Attack (3.50 / 2) (#77)
    by RickyJim on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 11:18:58 AM EST
    The fact that a throw away line is the only thing you got out of my review is quite telling.  If I were to lower myself to rate other's posts, both you and DfH would get 1`s also.

    To be fair to RickyJim, ... (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 01:47:45 AM EST
    ... most all of us have been guilty of occasionally stereotyping people subconsciously on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and / or perceived gender / sexual orientation. Latent bigotry is the most insidious form of prejudice, because it's often done without any malevolent intent on the part of the offender, who really doesn't realize that he / she has given offense.

    I have an paternal uncle and aunt who live in rural northern Illinois, and when I was in high school, they came to visit us in Southern California. When I introduced them to my best friend who's Yonsei, or fourth-generation Japanese-American, my aunt remarked to him how surprised she was that he spoke English so well.

    At that moment I wanted to crawl into a corner, turn into a dust bunny, and have my mother sweep me out the back door. My friend took it all in stride, though, since he'd obviously dealt with similar situations before. He graciously told her that his family had been in California since the 1890s -- which, ironically, was longer than my aunt's family had been in the country, having immigrated to Illinois from Germany after the First World War.

    Although my aunt thought she was paying my friend a compliment, her remark was clearly racist. She just didn't realize it at the time. We all have our prejudices. But if we're made conscious of our own shortcomings in that regard, we're less likely to do it again in the future.

    Personally, I see the term "political correctness" as nothing more than the right's euphemism for polite behavior, good manners and simple common decency. And quite frankly, we dispense with any of all of those at our multi-cultural American society's own peril, for they are what so often makes our interactions with one another in our daily lives bearable.



    Not what I'm talking about Donald (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 04:46:48 PM EST
    What I speak of is "so what, everyone does it".

    It is about accountability, and this tactic to avoid self accountability is one of several reasons why racism is on the rise in the US.

    This excuse never floated when I was a kid, but it has traction now due to the embrace of both siderism. Suddenly now, all you need to do is find someone else who does it and behavoirs/even crimes find legitimacy. YOU EVEN LEGITIMIZED RACISM HERE just to attempt to "blowhard instruct us all" AGAIN Donald.


    But what do you expect Tracy? (none / 0) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 02:24:47 AM EST
    It's par for the course. While Republicans just love to lecture everyone about responsibility, they have hardly ever practiced what they preach. Their party's official emblem should be the double standard.

    Think of it this way. When they're forced to resort to false equivalencies as excuses, they're actually acknowledging their own underlying behavior.

    What annoys me is when the media starts doing it. The worst is Brian Williams at MSNBC. But then, this is a guy who still insists that the Republicans were the real heroes of Watergate -- never mind that two-thirds of Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee voted against the two Articles of Impeachment in 1974, or that Nixon still enjoyed a 55% approval rating amongst Republicans at the time of his resignation. Any day that someone is guest-hosting for Williams is a good day.



    Relax Donald (none / 0) (#117)
    by CoralGables on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 07:24:31 AM EST
    Hawaii football is off to a great start and their new helmets are awesome.

    16 personalities (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 07:19:19 PM EST
    I may have commented about this before.  That happens.  But someone just sent it to me again.  I did it a while back.

    I am an INTP -A -T.  Logician.

    I know, it sounds like astrology but it's fun.  

    take the test

    If you answer truthfully you will be surprised how close it will be to YOU

    Ha! I got INTP A T, Logician, too. (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by vml68 on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 11:39:21 PM EST
    Maybe, because we share a b'day?

    ISTJ-T - Logistician (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:17:40 AM EST
    I've taken variations on this test over the years and my I and T are always stable but my S and J flop around. I guess I am feeling particularly judgey these days!!!

    This is in my profile and I could not (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:20:34 AM EST
    agree more:

    My observation is that whenever one person is found adequate to the "discharge of a duty... it is worse executed by two persons, and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein."
    George Washington

    I think that to myself at lest 3 times a week at work.


    Nope (none / 0) (#82)
    by linea on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 09:15:51 PM EST
    Some of the questions are sexist or so poorly written by the male author of the questionnaire that it is obvious he stereotypes responses based on his male experience.

     * For a man, a NO answer to `You usually initiate conversations' means you are shy, reserved, or inhibited.

     * A better question for women would be, `Do you enjoy when others engage you in conversation?'

    I took the test twice:


    Do you need (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 09:54:21 PM EST
    A better reason?

    Hmmm (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 10:38:45 PM EST
    From ESFP -T


    Highly Emotional - While emotional expression is healthy and natural, with Campaigners even viewing it as a core part of their identity, it can come out strongly enough to cause problems for this personality type. Particularly when under stress, criticism or conflict, Campaigners can experience emotional bursts that are counter-productive at best.

    Independent to a Fault - Campaigners loathe being micromanaged and restrained by heavy-handed rules - they want to be seen as highly independent masters of their own fates, even possessors of an altruistic wisdom that goes beyond draconian law. The challenge for Campaigners is that they live in a world of checks and balances, a pill they are not happy to swallow.

    Sorry (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 11:36:39 PM EST
    That was entertainer.

    I just scanned the first one before you changed your answers because you didn't like the result.


    Duh! (none / 0) (#90)
    by linea on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 12:48:56 AM EST
    I'm indifferent to the result. I took the test twice to see how accurate it was.

    I actually LOVE ❤️ these sorts of tests. But this one doesn't even make an effort to provide legitimate questions that aren't obviously skewed to a male perspective.



    I see (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 08:17:31 AM EST
    Still, it nailed you pretty good.

    I did not take the slu+ test.  I'm pretty sure of the result.

    How did you do?


    Oh (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 10:43:19 PM EST
    And about your standard whine about "male questions"

    In the 1920s, Jung's theory was noticed by Katharine Cook Briggs, who later co-authored a personality indicator still used today, the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®). Briggs was a teacher with an avid interest in personality typing, having developed her own type theory before learning of Jung's writings. Together with her daughter, Isabel Briggs Myers, they developed a convenient way to describe the order of each person's Jungian preferences - this is how four-letter acronyms were born.

    Duh (none / 0) (#92)
    by linea on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 03:43:23 AM EST
    That wasn't the Myers-Briggs inventory.

    Again, I love these sorts of quizzes but this one was particularly badly written. For example, this question (below) is such a stereotype of female empathy vs male indifference that I was revolted by the suggestion I would `suggest ways to deal with the problem' rather than be emotionally supportive. I didn't even think of what I actual do. I reacted to the suggestion that the stereotype evoked.

    If your friend is sad about something, you are more likely to offer emotional support than suggest ways to deal with the problem.

    Why couldn't be person do both? (none / 0) (#100)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:49:45 AM EST
    be emotionally supportive And suggest ways of dealing with the problem?

    Speaking of Jung, wasn't that one of his main ideas, integrating the male and female "qualities"; bringing the Animus and Anima together? That was what his obsession with gnosticism and alchemy was all about, as I understand it.


    Generally speaking (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 10:29:05 AM EST
    You certainly could.  But that not how the test works.  Many questions are intended to give you you tough choices.  None of which you might prefer but the instructions say answer all as best you can.

    The constant victim (none / 0) (#97)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:11:39 AM EST
    Really diminishes/minimizes the all-too-common instances of actual sexism.

    But that's all some people know ...


    linea, fyi (none / 0) (#105)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 12:15:00 PM EST
    I answered no to initiating conversations and still got an E by some 66%.

    Not that this discussion (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 08:42:46 AM EST
    Has not been illuminating but.  
    The test is based on the women mentioned in another comment a Carl Jung.

    I guess not as important as finding out if you are a $lut but still fun.

    To make the point I thought I would quote  few paragraphs in my description and see if those when have read my comments see anything they recognize -

    They love patterns, and spotting discrepancies between statements could almost be described as a hobby, making it a bad idea to lie to a Logician. This makes it ironic that Logicians' word should always be taken with a grain of salt - it's not that they are dishonest, but people with the Logician personality type tend to share thoughts that are not fully developed, using others as a sounding board for ideas and theories in a debate against themselves rather than as actual conversation partners.

    When Logicians are particularly excited, the conversation can border on incoherence as they try to explain the daisy-chain of logical conclusions that led to the formation of their latest idea. Oftentimes, Logicians will opt to simply move on from a topic before it's ever understood what they were trying to say, rather than try to lay things out in plain terms.

    Insensitive - Oftentimes Logician personalities get so caught up in their logic that they forget any kind of emotional consideration - they dismiss subjectivity as irrational and tradition as an attempt to bar much-needed progress. Purely emotional situations are often utterly puzzling to Logicians, and their lack of timely sympathy can easily offend.

    Condescending - Attempts at connecting with others are often worse than Logicians' withdrawal. People with the Logician personality type take pride in their knowledge and rationale, and enjoy sharing their ideas, but in trying to explain how they got from A to B to Z, they can get frustrated, sometimes simplifying things to the point of insult as they struggle to gauge their conversation partners' perspective. The ultimate insult comes as Logicians give up with a dismissive "never mind".
    Loathe Rules and Guidelines - These social struggles are partly a product of Logicians' desire to bypass the rules, of social conduct and otherwise. While this attitude helps Logicians' strength of unconventional creativity, it also causes them to reinvent the wheel constantly and to shun security in favor of autonomy in ways that can compromise both.

    I think the unflattering aspects are generally more accurate than the flattering ones.

    I have not really noticed these traits in vml68.  Maybe because we share them.


    I have (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 11:31:44 AM EST
    taken that a few times with jobs. I always come out I N/S TJ. I sit right on the edge of N and S.

    ENFJ A Protaganist (none / 0) (#104)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 12:12:15 PM EST
    Still trying to figure the "A."

    A (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 12:16:00 PM EST
    The Strategy layer shows our preferred ways of doing things and achieving goals. There are four strategies:

    Confident Individualism (Introverted and Assertive [ I___-A ] types)
    Confident Individualists prefer doing things alone, choosing to rely on their own skills and instincts as opposed to seeking contact with other people. They know what they are good at and have high self-confidence. These personality types firmly believe that personal responsibility and trust in yourself are very important values. Confident Individualists do not pay much attention to other people's opinions and prefer to rely on themselves.

    I haven't found many other (none / 0) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 09:21:50 PM EST
    Extroverts who comment on blogs. I think oculus is also an extrovert, but not many in the political blogosphere.

    Never thought it applied (none / 0) (#111)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 10:48:19 PM EST
    to me, but now, maybe so.

    Just a test.  Perhaps better than astrology.


    Used to hate parties (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 10:55:54 PM EST
    and small talk.  I could be very invisible in social occasions.

     Over time, I seemed to be okay with parties.  I just pick a person to talk to, and the trivial and trite like someone else's kids and where they went on vacation actually interest me.  Not sure why.  Can seem more real than a conversation about "intellectual" issues.

    The old expression that everyone, even the mighty, put their pants on one leg at a time, seemed at some point to make sense to me.  We are all just people, and no one is really superior to anyone else.  

    I have to admit an office party in San Francisco can still be very frosty with the intellectual snobbery making people very hard to approach or just chat with.


    The DKos community took this test (none / 0) (#119)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 08:58:03 AM EST
    En masse once. That was when I discovered the introversion dominance in leftwing blogging. It explained for me some things I was seeing, seems to me introverts are more data driven though and data collecting.

    I first took this test (none / 0) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 08:40:57 AM EST
    For a work related workshop a long time ago. When my spouse started teaching leadership I took it again when he was studying about it. My test results were the same.

    I would say it is a gentle form of a personality test. There are some very invasive tests available now that I'm not sure I would take for an employer.


    I've taken it a few times (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:25:03 AM EST
    Years apart.

    It's always the same.


    ESFJ here (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 05:22:37 PM EST
    Exact opposite of you, yours is the personality type my husband tries to claim instead of INTJ (which is how he really tests).

    I don't really know why he hates testing out an INTJ except being judgemental can hinder optimum leadership capability. But it annoys me he is always trying to deny his slightly more prominent j.


    An argument for the death penalty (none / 0) (#83)
    by thomas rogan on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 09:16:20 PM EST
    Are you referring (5.00 / 6) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 31, 2018 at 10:45:08 PM EST
    To your inability to use the linking system?

    If so, I agree.


    Is it worth it (none / 0) (#113)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 10:58:33 PM EST
    to click on the link?

    Who knows (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:25:49 AM EST
    The internet is great for finding (5.00 / 4) (#101)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 10:09:45 AM EST
    superficially pursuasive arguments in favor of things you're already in favor of.

    If I wanted to, I could probably dig up
    a well-written piece by some writer who makes a strong case for doing to conservatives what the Bolsheviks did to them, but I'll probably just carry on living my life.


    How about ... (4.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 02:41:43 AM EST
    In point of fact (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:17:31 AM EST
    what I would do with hardcore movement conservatives is give them a healthy dose of psilocybin or ayahausca and take them out into the middle an old growth or rain forest with a traditional spirit guide and let them wrestle with and come to some kind of harmony with their anti-empathy demons.

    Go ahead a call me a hippy flake, but there it is.


    I'll help babysit (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:19:25 AM EST
    Make sure they stay safe and hydrated.

    You're a brave woman (none / 0) (#128)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:36:11 AM EST
    A quote of remember (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:27:11 AM EST
    From the 70s -

    There must be a mind to expand


    It's in there somewhere (none / 0) (#127)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:35:29 AM EST
    it may require drilling a hole, so to speak.

    trepanning... (none / 0) (#129)
    by leap on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 01:17:44 PM EST
    that might let out the anti-empathy demons, even if there is no mind to expand. Perhaps a frontal lobotomy. But then, they'd probably ascribe to the old bathroom-stall aphorism, "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

    I love this comment (none / 0) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2018 at 05:23:25 PM EST
    Or perhaps an argument... (none / 0) (#157)
    by unitron on Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 01:57:35 AM EST
    ...for adequately funding prisons and jails and the staffing thereof.

    Justice Baby Teeth (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 02, 2018 at 10:31:16 AM EST
    I am officially breaking with the CW that this nomination will sail through.

    Baby Teeth is only slightly higher than Bork.  30something.  Second lowest ever.

    Not saying they will successfully block it but they might find a way to delay it.

    THE PURGE (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 12:34:32 PM EST
    This starts tomorrow on USA.  It might be good.  The first movie was very good.  The others not so much.

    `The Purge' Comes to TV--Darker, Freakier, and Better Than the Movies

    The best thing on tv right now THE SINNER, is also on USA.

    IMO, this is the LAST thing we need (none / 0) (#134)
    by vicndabx on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 02:48:26 PM EST
    on TV right now.

    I get that it doesn't sound fun (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 03:30:11 PM EST
    But the first movie had a serious social message.  It was a bit hard to watch because as horrifying as it was some part of you felt it was not an impossible thing.

    As I said the first was excellent.  And I agree with the reviewer that the longer 10/hour format could make for some seriously good t v.


    This is not a test (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 03:44:01 PM EST
    This is your emergency broadcast system announcing the commencement of the Annual Purge sanctioned by the U.S. Government. Weapons of class 4 and lower have been authorized for use during the Purge. All other weapons are restricted. Government officials of ranking 10 have been granted immunity from the Purge and shall not be harmed. Commencing at the siren, any and all crime, including murder, will be legal for 12 continuous hours. Police, fire, and emergency medical services will be unavailable until tomorrow morning at 7 a.m., when The Purge concludes. Blessed be our New Founding Fathers and America, a nation reborn. May God be with you all.

    -- Purge Emergency Broadcast System


    Also (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 03:56:58 PM EST
    My opinion of the first movie is not shall we say universally shared.

    I think some did not know what to make of it.

    I really liked the first.  The others were bad.  Like Nightmare on Elm Street


    I kind of agree. (none / 0) (#138)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 07:21:35 PM EST
    Many locos will consider it a documentary.

    I cant say about the show (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 07:44:40 PM EST
    That I have not seen but with the movie they might well agree with the concept.  But they will not agree with the movie if they actually watch it.

    It has a powerful message about social justice.  

    It is its reason to exist and I strongly suspect the series will be the same.


    The reviews of the series (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 08:07:41 PM EST
    Are very mixed.  Just like the film.

    Many praise the show but question the premise.  Which I think is odd.

    Through three films, we've seen justifications as to how it has resulted in crime and unemployment rates plummeting to 1 per cent and revelations that it actually a way of population control and eliminating the poor.

    In the most recent outing, The First Purge, released (somewhat cheekily) on Independence Day this year, we discovered how the 28th amendment which created it was introduced.
    Written by original Purge creator James DeMonaco and featuring directors whose credits include everything from The Wire to Supernatural, Battlestar Galactica and The Walking Dead, the show's crowdpleasing mix of escalating tensions, evil empires, double dealing and violent action will no doubt attract a loyal following.
    However, those wanting something deeper in terms of political and social allegories a la The Handmaid's Tale will be somewhat disappointed.

    Everything is far more black-and-white in The Purge - you know pretty much early on who are going to be the goodies and baddies and parallels to Trump's "Great Again" America are delivered with a limited amount of subtlety.  

    But that doesn't mean that the resulting "action-drama" isn't entertaining or sometimes compelling in a Prison Break, 24 kind of way.

    The Purge: Cult movie franchise becomes a Handmaid's-esque TV series


    The kind of people I'm referring to (none / 0) (#143)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:35:11 AM EST
    are too dumb to "get" the underlying message. They don't grok subtlety.

    They are also to dumb (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:48:04 AM EST
    To get the message of Handmaids Tale.

    The fact they would love to live in Gilead doesn't mean there is a problem with the series.


    I love the series. (none / 0) (#145)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 02:35:15 PM EST
    I liked the original movie with Natasha Richardson and Robert Duvall. I had listened the book on tape back in my truck driving days.

    But this, "The fact they would love to live in Gilead" is a disturbing, and unfortunately too true a statement.

    I binge watched the 2nd of season of Ozark this past weekend. Have you seen it yet?


    On the list (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 04:40:49 PM EST
    Didn't realize it came back (none / 0) (#147)
    by Yman on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 05:37:43 PM EST
    ... for a second season - thanks!

    We were yuuuge losers (none / 0) (#148)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 07:24:51 PM EST
    Home from vacation very sunburned and burned out, needed a vacation from vacation. So we both stayed in pajamas all day Saturday. We started Ozark season 2 at dawn, finished at near midnight.

    Ozark (none / 0) (#150)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 11:51:41 AM EST
    Is a favorite.

    Also starting tomorrow on FX (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 08:38:50 PM EST
    Very promising (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 09:43:41 AM EST
    Kind of preposterous IMHO. But still fun to watch. (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 12:14:14 PM EST
    I have known plenty of patch holders over the years. Pagans, Outlaws, HA, Mongols, Bandidos, Sons of Silence, and plenty more of lesser known clubs. Nearly none have ever been in a shoot out with automatic weapons in their entire careers of running the streets.  That stuff really just doesn't happen. SOA was kinda overblown in the same manner. Yeah, I know, it's all a work of fiction. The Mayans are definitely modeled on the CA Mongols. The style of their bikes has Mongol written all over them. But the Mongols are not purely Hispanic. Outside of CA, most Mongol chapters are mostly caucasian.

    Haven't got to MAYANS yet (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 12:16:56 PM EST
    After lunch

    Sons of Anarchy was the same sort of dumb fun.

    My comment was about The Purge


    ChuckO, you seem to know the clubs. (none / 0) (#153)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 01:30:44 PM EST
    A buddy of mine told me that a couple years ago he was riding his bicycle on Mulholland in LA, and a guy on a motorcycle who was passing him kicked him in the back as he passed, knocking him off the bike and breaking 4 ribs.

    My friend said the guy was Latino and wore a "german war helmet."

    Any idea what motorcycle club he might have been a part of?


    The Mongols and Vagos (none / 0) (#154)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 08:09:56 AM EST
    are predominantly Latino in So Cal. Lots of Mongols in the LA area. There are plenty of lesser "farm team" (as I call them) clubs around as well.

    Thanks. (none / 0) (#156)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 11:59:18 AM EST