Wednesday Open Thread: All Over the Place

Sorry, I've been running around and meeting deadlines and today I have to drive to the state prison in Limon (90 miles away) and tomorrow to the jail in Georgetown (50 miles away) and it's 99 degrees here. The plumbing pipes are being replaced in my building so for three weeks the water has been shut off from 7:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. No water, no shower, no toilet use. Really a pain.

I'll be back as soon as I can. This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Why Trump hates Angela Merkel (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by MKS on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 01:41:26 PM EST
    Ben Rhodes, on Obama's National Security Staff, said the last time Merkel met with Obama she had tears in her eyes.

    Although Merkel is ostensibly a conservative, she seemed to echo Obama's rational, steady approach.   She has a Ph.D. in Chemistry and seemed to be intellectually in sync with Obama and got along well with him personally.

    Now, we know the Cheeto hates all things Obama......So,.....he hates Merkel.  Let alone the fact she is a woman.....

    The other day (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CST on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 02:04:46 PM EST
    My brother in law was asking why he seems to "hate Warren so much".  My response was "because she has her own power and he can't fire her".  He doesn't seem to mind women who work for him, but it's pretty clear he minds women who don't.

    Also - yea the Obama/temperament thing.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 02:29:21 PM EST
    if it's not Warren, it's Hillary or Maxine Waters.

    I think he does (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:17:55 PM EST
    have issues with women in positions of power. Especially where he has no control. So all he does is hurl insults. So presidential. So sad.

    Trump probably thinks (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 04:55:29 PM EST
    the Periodic Table is another example of fake news.

    Yes, and (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 02:16:57 PM EST
    President Obama cultivated the NATO alliance and expressed the importance of its common security.  So, both NATO and Mrs. Merkel are on his chopping block.

    I wonder (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 02:41:50 PM EST
    If he gives a sh!t about NATO one way of the other.  By acting out like soiled infant and then sucking face with Putin he will have the American news media chasing their tails and ignoring the rape and pillage of our country.  Not to mention Brett Kavanaugh

    Like this outrage (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 02:55:28 PM EST
    Agreed. (none / 0) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 05:30:35 PM EST
    The Germany was a good breakfast media start for him.."I'm here everybody."  But, Trump is playing into the problems of NATO as being presented by Turkey, Hungary, and, to an extent, Poland.  All to the bad.  Except for Putin.

    Re: I wonder if he gives a $h1t about NATO (none / 0) (#99)
    by vicndabx on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:19:05 PM EST
    The guy's a white nationalist. The power center exists in Europe with the descendants of WW1&2.

    And the fact (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 02:30:13 PM EST
    that Putin hates Merkel. Everything Trump does and says can be looked at through the prism of Putin.

    Huh? (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by linea on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 11:32:43 PM EST
    Re: `Putin hates Merkel.'

    That's rather ridiculous.

    Germany and the German controlled EU business community are, by any reasonable standard, rather soft on Russia, Ukraine has criticized Frau Bundeskanzlerin's response to Little Green Men with the "Mrs. Ribbentrop" nickname. The official German response to Russia's use of biological weapons on UK soil (a war crime) was to expel three Russian diplomats -- WOW!! -- but to continue business as usual. And for those sadly confused persons on this forum who believe the US is at war with Russia; we're not. Other than a few symbolic sanctions from Obama, it's business as usual for the US business community too. There isn't a single tech company that I have worked for that wasn't colluding with Russia.

    The mood on Kyiv's streets now seems to be very critical of Germany. "Tell Ms. Merkel, she should finally stop cuddling with Putin," said Andriy, a freelance architect in his mid-50s, adding: "Germany should impose tough economic sanctions against Russia."

    Also interesting:
    Putin seeks common cause with Merkel over Trump
    Merkel and Putin defend their new gas pipeline in the face of US opposition
    Cold War past shapes complex Merkel-Putin relationship


    I have no idea what (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:36:04 PM EST
    you are trying to say.

    What's confusing? (none / 0) (#191)
    by linea on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:05:54 PM EST
    Re: `I have no idea what you are trying to say.'

    I'll try to explain this as simply as possible.

    Putin does not hate Chancellor Merkel or Germany  Russia has an awesome business relationship with Germany.

    Russia has a pretty decent business relationship with the US too. There has been nothing but minor and symbolic sanctions against Russia for any of the actions they have engaged in - seizing Crimea, LGM-hostilities in Eastern Ukraine, military belligerence on Finnish and Baltic borders, provocative live-fire war games in the Baltic Sea, crippling cyber-attacks against Estonia, propaganda inciting Russian minorities in Latvia, the use of chemical weapons on UK territory, and the overt mucking with the US elections - all of which resulted in a few Russian persons and Russian companies being `sanctioned' but otherwise the US and EU are commited to business as usual with Russia.


    Just think of (none / 0) (#11)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 03:47:57 PM EST
    Trump as the Manchurian candidate.

    I think that's low balling it bigly (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 03:59:46 PM EST
    I love that movie.  But try to imagine how it would have went if Lawerence Harvey was tweeting 10 times a day how much he loved China and the SOviet Union.

    This is so much worse than the Manchurian candidate scenario

    This is in yer face.  This is the president Johnny Iselin story



    You have a good point there, (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:17:14 AM EST
    But to be serious, I also think that Trump's behavior and beliefs go way back, before the Russians.
    Back to his father's racism, and later Donnie's first mentor, Roy Cohn.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:21:39 AM EST
    I think it is past time (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:14:43 PM EST
    for Trump to be labeled by the media and others as a likely Russian agent or asset. Maybe, not the evidence for a Mueller indictment (yet), but enough for a political assessment, and even, an article of impeachment.

     Stephen Colbert made the flat-out reference last night, albeit in his comedic monologue....saying he believed it to be true since he has an agent and she does not do as much for him as Trump does for Putin.


    Yes, and Mrs. Merkel (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:25:33 PM EST
    is a successful, powerful woman.  And, no doubt intimidating for Trump...she has an undergraduate degree in physics and earned a doctorate degree in quantum physics from the Central Institute of the Academy of Sciences in Berlin.  

    Trump just had a press conference (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 07:26:31 AM EST
    Morning Joe did a great thing.  They fact checked him in real time. In a split screen talking over him.  It was remarkable.  Almost literally every time he spoke, he lied.  Silly obvious easily checked lies.  It was great and it should be done every time he speaks because as they pointed out after 40 minutes there are simply too many lies to deal with which is clearly the strategy.

    Then to top it off as Macron spoke after and called Trump out for lies about what was agreed to at the summit

    Watch (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:46:31 AM EST
    I'd be a lot more impressed with (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:24:17 AM EST
    JoeScar and Mika if they hadn't given Trump so much free air time during the campaign, and didn't challenge him the way they're doing now.
    Too little, too late, Joey.

    I really think (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM EST
    They want to be on the side of history

    Craven?  Yes.  Opportunistic? Yes.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend  


    To some extent, (none / 0) (#54)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:34:36 AM EST
    But not always, and not in perpetuity.
    See:  World War II and the Soviet Union.  Enemies of Hitler, allies with us, but that didn't last long after the war ended.

    Right now (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:37:55 AM EST
    We take our allies where we find d them.

    They are allies


    Yes, use them now, (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:25:27 PM EST
    But be vigilant, and don't totally trust them.

    From (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:40:32 AM EST
    the Krazy Koolaid Kult files
    "I don't think we will ever again see a candidate like Donald Trump," Spicer writes. "His high-wire act is one that few could ever follow. He is a unicorn, riding a unicorn over a rainbow."

    Intentional or not (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:23:52 AM EST
    Trump almost certainly saved Teresa Mays bacon by trashing her.


    The indictment charges that the Russian (5.00 / 4) (#148)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:16:44 PM EST
    phish for HRC's emails was a crime under federal law. The indictment further alleges that the Russians commenced their criminal activity seeking DNC email hours after a candidate by the name of Donald J. Tr*mp said, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing." Section 2(a) of title 18, U.S. Code, the "aiding and abetting" statute, states that anyone who "counsels, commands, induces or procures" the commission of a federal crime by another person, when that other person goes on to commits that crime, is also guilty of the crime that is then committed. This indictment thus appears to me implicitly to accuse Tr*mp of committing felonies by aiding and abetting the Russian hackers in doing so (which is, by the way, a sort of "collusion," it seems to me).

    Yes, this is a really big deal. (none / 0) (#160)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:44:42 PM EST
    The twelve Russian military intel officers, indicted by name, stole information (spearfishing/hacking) and created "DC Leaks" and "Guccifer 2.0" to disseminate the stolen goods(and with the help of US mainstream media). Moreover, they hacked into a state election board and stole information of 500,000 voters.  The charges include money laundering, cryto-currency to purchase untraceable goods.

    From the indictment: "The GRU officers who knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury." The object of the conspiracy was to "hack into protected computers of persons and entities charged with the administration of of the 2016 elections in order to access those computers and steal voter data and other information stored on those computers."

    Mr. Rosenstein was very cautious on Americans involved and the effects of the operation, but it is evident that methodical and systematic foundations are being built by Mueller (after all, this is probably the most serious scandal in US history, and involves the sitting president), by which he is setting up the conspiracy and group of conspirators, then the American co-conspirators that worked in coordination, and the obstruction.  

    The previous Russians indicted were workers in troll farms who spread lies in Trump's favor; this is an official act of the Russian government. It would seem to me that these charges against Russian military intel officers would get DOD working on this independently from Mueller.

     And, for sure, this exonerates that 400 lb guy sitting on his bed in his mother's basement, as asserted by Trump.  


    And on a non-political topic (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:21:14 PM EST
    We've had lettuce for awhile, it's still going.
    And we have new potatoes, green beans, the very first cherry tomatoes, zucchini, yellow squash, Hungarian peppers.  Mint and oregano.
    Basil is ready to start picking.
    Yum!  The bounty has begun!

    Funny you mention basil (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:29:33 PM EST
    I was just getting ready to go pick some in the community garden we participate in.

    More rampant socialism on the march! You can't get away from it.


    Must be that lazy... (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:44:53 PM EST
    good for nothing basil that wants its sun and water for free...I hate that herb! ;)

    Oh, Zorba, that all sounds so wonderful. (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:36:42 PM EST
    The thing I miss most since my move here is my garden. My present home has exactly zero space for a tomato plant in pit, much less a garden.

    How is your lettuce not bolting? The insane heat we have been having since the beginning of May has decimated local lettuce crops.


    The lettuce (none / 0) (#168)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:19:21 PM EST
    Is in semi-shade.
    Plus we live on top of a mountain in Western Maryland. It's cooler up here than down below, and it gets quite cool at night.

    I don't have anything growing right now (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 03:39:15 PM EST
    that is ready to eat or cook with except for thai basil, bird's eye chilies, lemongrass, ginger and turmeric.

    My feel good video of the moment is this video of a baby chimp's reaction when he sees the foster parents that raised him for the first few months of his life.


    Well, you certainly have (none / 0) (#169)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:27:00 PM EST
    the beginnings of lots of Asian cooking- Thai, Vietnamese, Indian, Chinese.
    Now all you need are the veggies to go with!

    Tumeric is pretty amazing stuff (none / 0) (#171)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:38:05 PM EST
    I've used it medicinally with some considerable success recently.

    I've been tempted to try (none / 0) (#172)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:46:41 PM EST
    Turmeric for its anti-inflammatory effects because I have arthritis.
    But I've not done so because it also has blood thinning effects, and I'm on an anti-coagulant as it is for my heart problems.

    Coumadin and Tumeric (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by jmacWA on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 05:50:54 AM EST
    I was recently diagnosed with Afib, and am now taking 12.5 mg of Coumadin(jantoven) per day.  I have been taking Tumeric daily for about 10 years.  I did not stop taking it when I went on the blood thinner... and still it has taken 12.5 mg to get me up to 2.5.  I think the affect is minimal.

    I don't cook much these days because my (none / 0) (#188)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:32:50 PM EST
    husband is always travelling and only home on the weekends. I am too lazy to cook for myself.

    For now, I get my asian vegetables at the chinese and indian grocery stores but next year I plan to grow some of them.


    Been getting tomatoes for a while (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:52:45 PM EST
    I think they are almost done.  Peppers too.  

    How Bernie Won by Jeff Weaver (none / 0) (#8)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 03:39:03 PM EST
    The title of this book comes from the assertion that Bernie and his movement now lead the Democrats.  Weaver was Sanders'campaign manager in the last presidential campaign. At the end, he encourages Bernie to run again and says the polls say he would handily beat Trump, as they said during 2016.  Most of the book is about the details of the Sanders 2016 campaign and so goes into great detail about the byzantine rules for choosing delegates in various states.

    What I saw about policy was mostly to do with saying we should somehow fix income inequality and support for the "Black Lives Matter" movement.  There was next to nothing about foreign policy.  In particular, apparently Bernie said little during the campaign about the bloated US defense budget, the bloating caused by the US's commitment to defend so many foreign countries against who knows?.  Whatever happened to the peace dividend we were supposed to get after the Soviet Union fell? The only important US politician to discuss that issue openly recently has been, I am sorry to say, Donald Trump.  I'd be a more enthusiastic about Bernie if he had a comprehensive plan like: Let's slash the defense budget by (TBD), raise taxes on the ultra wealthy by (TBD) and use the funds to pay down the debt and fund his favorite entitlements, Universal Healthcare and free higher education.

    Nice try (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 04:14:28 PM EST
    on your tRump worship, he actually wants to increase defense spending. LINK I'm all for the NATO countries increasing their budgets so we can we can decrease ours, but that is not what tRump is saying at all.

    Now they are (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 04:30:34 PM EST
    Approaching 2% (the goal) he said today it has to be 4%.  Which is more than we spend.

    This has nothing to do with "defense".  Defense from who?  Canada?  Certainly not Russia.

    If there is any silver lining here it's that this unbelievable performance along with the tariffs that are starting to hit republican senators is starting some introspection from R senators

    I was just reading how they are really starting to freak the tariffs will undercut the economy just in time for the midterms.

    "Going into the fall, there's a real fear among our members that a trade war will squander the economic gains we made with tax reform," a senior GOP official on Capitol Hill told POLITICO on Wednesday


    Check out (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 05:01:07 PM EST
    What Mike Rounds SD republican just told Chuck Todd.  Yeah, I know, but really watch it.

    he come as close as any elected official yet to saying the emperor has no clothes.  And he's killin us.  And it has to stop.


    It sounded (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 05:30:46 PM EST
    like he was alarmed but trying not to be alarmed. Time however is running out like he said. Mid term elections are in 118 days which is slighly less than four months. It could be that time has already run out. It's not like China is going to come back and buy those soybeans. Those people that voted for Trump are just going to have to take it on the chin. Congress could get their act together and pass a bill to undo the tarriffs but they are not going to.

    Well, Just Last Week Trump Said (none / 0) (#17)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 04:36:16 PM EST
    He complained that Germany pays too little toward defense, and appeared to renew threats to change the nearly 70-year-old
    transatlantic alliance.
    "And I said, `You know, Angela, I can't guarantee it, but we're protecting you, and it means a lot more to you than protecting
    us," Trump said, referring to German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
    "Because I don't know how much protection we get by protecting you."

    He may not be consistent, but at least he brings it up.


    Protecting Germany from what? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by CST on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 07:50:07 AM EST
    The troops we have in Germany are not there for Germany's sake, they are there because it is a convenient place for us to keep troops in a friendly nation, closer to where the action is.

    That's it.  He only brings it up to lie about it.


    RickyJim: "Well, Just Last Week Trump said [link]. He may not be consistent, but at least he brings it up."

    I would offer that since the end of the Cold War, the continued U.S. military presence in Germany has been primarily for her neighbors' peace of mind, and not necessarily to protect Germany from any existential Russian military threat.

    By population, the Federal Republic of Germany is the largest nation in Europe after Russia, and its $3.7 trillion economy is that continent's biggest and most powerful. Until Trump came along, American troops and bases in that country have been seen by many Europeans as a moderating influence upon the German government's behavior.

    And that shouldn't be surprising, really. One needs to possess only a cursory knowledge of 20th century European history to understand why those neighbors still have a lingering distrust of the Germans, whose militant aggressiveness twice plunged the entire continent into ruinous world wars which killed tens of millions of people.

    Given that Prussian militarism was seen contemporaneously as the primary driver of Germany's destructive behavior during the first half of the 20th century, the State of Prussia was formally abolished as a political entity by the occupying Allied powers after the Second World War. (The dreaded word "Gestapo" was originally the acronym for the Prussian secret police.) Even then, there were still a lot of residual suspicions and reservations throughout Europe regarding Germany's reunification in 1990.



    So Now We Have Two Explanations (none / 0) (#83)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 06:48:43 PM EST
    for what the US gets for the billions it spends keeping its forces in Germany.  One, they are all set to be deployed in another trillion dollar war somewhere and two, they comfort the rest of Europe who fear German militarism will arise again.  ROTFL.  I give Trump credit for being a little suspicious of those narratives.  Not much more, though.

    Why can both not be true? (none / 0) (#84)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 07:02:17 PM EST
    You seem to be reaching here.

    No one has really challenged U.S. troops in Germany.  Except for Tr*ump.  He can hardly complaint about the expense since he is all about increasing military spending.

    Where are we going to garrison all those troops?  All in the U.S.?   It would seem like a good idea to have them in places closer to areas of potential need.  

    And, in what universe has it been just for Germany's benefit for us to have troops there?  We have an interest in blocking the Russians in Europe--according to almost everyone.  You know, the idea behind NATO.

    Good grief, this love of the Cheeto is truly amazing to see.  Cult indeed.


    If It Were Up to Me (2.00 / 1) (#85)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 07:34:54 PM EST
    I would withdraw the troops from Germany (and other places) and bring them back to the US where they would be trained to be the "Disaster Corps".  They would be on hand to restore order and services when another Katrina, 9/11, Sandy etc, strikes again, as I am sure it will.

    And I bring up Trump, not because I love him, but because I find it quite galling that instead of the left, he is the one to cast doubt on the wisdom of US interventionism.  You are the one reaching if you think we still need NATO to counter the Russians.  I think their recent militaristic behavior is because NATO has expanded further into Eastern Europe since the breakup of the Soviet Union.


    NATO (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 07:42:06 PM EST
    is about more than just the military. NATO is also intelligence sharing. NATO has been a great asset with regards to the Russians and their cyberattacks on us.

    Anyone who is anti intervention would not be increasing military spending.


    "Katrina, 9/11, Sandy, etc." (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:03:10 PM EST
    But not Irma or Maria, I suppose.

    Yes Irma and Maria Too (none / 0) (#98)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:13:57 PM EST
    They can be based in the US but sent all over the world to help in disasters.  

    Exactly my point (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:25:44 PM EST
    You do not seem to realize that Hurricanes Irma and Maria, when they devastated the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, were not affecting people in some other part of "all over the world" but were in fact destroying places (and people) "in the U.S."

    You were too subtle, I guess (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:35:03 PM EST
    I love subtlety.  

    My favorite depiction of a lawyer was Raul Julia's in Presumed Innocent.    I just loved his calm, precise but lethal delivery:   "You Honor, the B file......" while blackmailing the hell out of the Judge.

    I takes a lot of control to keep it so cool.....


    Yes, I Don't Get Your Point (none / 0) (#153)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:48:57 PM EST
    Is it that a "Disaster Corps", which could be sent all over the world to any country or territory that requests them, is a bad idea?  What did we have to send to the areas devastated by Irma and Maria?

    So sorry (none / 0) (#166)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 03:45:58 PM EST
    Bwahaha! (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Zorba on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:31:11 PM EST
    Thank you, Peter, I needed the laugh.

    That line has been oft repeated (none / 0) (#185)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 07:03:54 PM EST
    in our family, since we first saw "Help" together in 1976 or so. (I'm sure we had each originally seen it when the film first came out in 1965.) Such a funny movie.

    We already have that (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:13:59 PM EST
    It's called the National Guard

    Ever hear of Posse Comitatus? (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:34:54 PM EST
    I am sure Trump would love to be able to command troops inside the U.S. to enforce his policies.  But that is illegal under U.S. law.

    Trump has increased defense spending significantly.  He is not about saving defense dollars, or putting money towards internal programs rather than the military.  You missed that, I guess.

    Your views are similar to the Isolationist Taft GOP pre WWII.  We have learned after two World Wars it is imperative, and in the best interests of the U.S., to avoid another war in Europe.

    And, I do think the Russians might invade the Baltics or the Ukraine, which could precipitate a broader war in Europe.  You may view preventing war in Europe as "interventionist," but we have learned through costly experience we cannot put our heads in the sand and take an Isolationist approach--especially with regards to Europe.

    And protecting Europe from Russian aggression is a far sight different than committing troops to fight wars all over the place.  We are talking about preventing wars, not staring them, and preventing another war in Europe.  We cannot afford another war in Europe.

    This is basic history.  But we know Trump does not know much about history.


    Who in the hall (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:58:07 PM EST
    cares about the Sudetenland anyway?

    If it is out fault the Russians (none / 0) (#96)
    by MKS on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:55:25 PM EST
    are being aggressive, because we expanded NATO, just where would you draw the line?

    Invading Ukraine?  Okay?

    The Baltics.  Okay?

    Poland.  Okay?  Poland, after all, was not an original NATO member.

    Maybe okay with you, but what happens when Germany and the Brits "intervene" to defend Poland or the Baltics?   What do we do?  Do the 1930s thing and just watch?  


    There is Zero Evidence (2.00 / 1) (#100)
    by RickyJim on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:19:30 PM EST
    that Russia has any intention of invading Poland or the Baltics.

    Oops! Guess again, Buckwheat. (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 03:49:00 AM EST
    RickyJim: "There is Zero Evidence that Russia has any intention of invading Poland or the Baltics."

    Over the last few years, the Russian military has been conducting some of its largest exercises on their country's western frontier since the end of the Cold War:

    Ottawa Citizen | July 12, 2018
    Russian paratroopers conduct mock invasion drill 40 km from Finland - "In a highly provocative move, a Russian Western Military District paratrooper unit has just conducted a mock invasion drill on an island in the Gulf of Finland. [...] The aggressive move comes just as NATO nations meet in Brussels, with the bloc's tensions -- primarily over defence spending and how Russia should be confronted -- at all-time highs. Just days after the summit, U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin are to meet in Helsinki, Finland. [...] The drills will have been warily observed by Russia's neighbours. Increased Russian aggression in recent years, culminating in its annexation of Crimea in 2014, has seen Scandinavian countries step up their preparedness. [...] U.K. news outlet the Express reported that in November 2017, Norway revealed that a jamming attack on flight GPS systems was done by Russia at the same time that Russia was undertaking so-called Zapad 2017 military exercises in Belarus and western Russia."

    And if you'll further look at a map of Europe, you'll notice that Ukraine, which was invaded by Russia in 2014, is Poland's immediate neighbor to the southeast.

    When next you're tempted to make such declarative statements in the future, perhaps you might want to do a wee bit of research first.



    Buckwheat? (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:30:15 PM EST
    As in Spanky and Our Gang?

    So Who Started it, NATO or Russia? (none / 0) (#112)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 08:43:11 AM EST
    I suggest you read Stephen F Cohen in the Nation to get a more balanced view of Russian intentions.

    Direct (none / 0) (#113)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:23:33 AM EST
    from the pucker up for Putin brigade.

    Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:29:52 AM EST
    who likes Russia because Russia helped Trump in the election.

    That might be because (none / 0) (#103)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 11:15:24 PM EST

    You know it's possible (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by CST on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:39:08 AM EST
    To be against US interventionism without insulting our allies or issuing empty threats.

    Obama closed a lot of military bases overseas, including a number of them in Europe.  And he managed to do all of that without being a giant @sshole about it.

    I have no problem with Trump closing military bases.  I have huge problems with Trump lying about foreign affairs, and people like you eating it up thinking he's the first person to invent the wheel.


    And to be clear (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by CST on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:41:26 AM EST
    Nothing about this changes the fact that those bases are there for our benefit rather than Germany's.  But priorities can change.

    To Correct Some Assertions (none / 0) (#167)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:05:50 PM EST
    The only thing I have said in this thread that can be considered mildly positive about Trump is that he has mentioned how expensive some of the US' military activities are.  But some here construe that to mean I am a Trump worshiper.  

    Because (none / 0) (#170)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:35:35 PM EST
    your "mild" praise is for something he is not saying. He wants  us to spend more on defense and you continue to ignore that. His only beef with NATO is they are not spending enough, not that we are spending too much.

    Ignoring facts is a universal trait of tRump supporters, what's your excuse?


    He Does Say It (2.00 / 1) (#183)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:33:48 PM EST
    In a tweet about war games with South Korea: "Holding back the "war games" during the negotiations was my request because they are VERY EXPENSIVE and set a bad light during a good faith negotiation. Also, quite provocative. Can start up immediately if talks break down, which I hope will not happen!" Supposedly $14M was saved by the cancellation.

    And as I have previously posted: "And I said, `You know, Angela, I can't guarantee it, but we're protecting you, and it means a lot more to you than protecting
    us," Trump said, referring to German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
    "Because I don't know how much protection we get by protecting you."

    He has said enough to make me suspect that deep down he is skeptical of the huge military budget.  His endorsement of increased defense spending may just be his usual appeal to his base.    


    Deep (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:40:10 PM EST
    down indeed.

    I guess I have to get HULU (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 03:41:46 PM EST
    I'm watching the Handmaid's (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 03:58:34 PM EST
    Tale right now. While it is dystopian and sort of depressing the thing that keeps running through the story is that Offred never gives up getting out of Gilead no matter what happens and she uses her brains because honestly the people running Gilead while evil are not very smart. Sound familiar?

    My wife and daughter (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 05:03:59 PM EST
    are really into that show.

    I had to laugh when Fox News said A Handmaid's Tale was a slap in the face to Real Americans in flies-all-over country..


    I'm glad (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 05:32:06 PM EST
    to know that having sex slaves and cutting off the fingers of women who are not "obedient" are the values of Real Americans in fly over country.

    Conservatives are apalled by the suggestion (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 07:38:17 PM EST
    that Christians could ever act that way, but also thrilled because the existence of the show fits into their ongoing narrative about educated 'elites' who look down on Christians.

    They drop shows weekly right? (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 04:02:09 PM EST
    Not a whole season at a time like Netflix?  

    Correct. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 04:57:17 PM EST

    Right (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 05:00:32 PM EST
    but now it's the end of season 2. So if you get Hulu you can binge watch the entire 1st 2 seasons. I understand it has been renewed for a 3rd season.

    Wowee (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:43:25 AM EST
    This is not disappointing.

    Knife fighting from the first 5 minutes.

    If you are not watching this you really REALLY should be.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:44:09 AM EST

    You know what this is about.



    The look on Stzoks face (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:45:58 AM EST
    Is priceless

    A motion to adjourn

    Wholly Sh!t


    OMG (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:00:52 AM EST
    The first 5 minutes of questioning is not over and it's GAME OF THRONES, BREAKING BAD, WALKING DEAD and KILLING EVE.

    history is happening.

    I am personally on about a 10 minute Ute delay.



    Jeralyn, sorry to hear about (none / 0) (#10)
    by fishcamp on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 03:43:38 PM EST
    these problems.  If I remember correctly Limon, Co. and Georgetown, Co. are in opposite directions.  Georgeown used to be a nice little village, not sure what it's like now.  The water pipe problems  sounds very bad.  You could always come out here and ride out one of the hurricanes that have been swirling past us.  So far we've only gotten big rain and no wind.  It's just starting though.  Good luck with all that.  

    Made my annual visit (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:01:26 AM EST
    to Lazy Days in Islamorada for my Yellow Tail sandwich during the Keys ultra again this year. An incredibly loud and drunken group messed up the atmosphere on the upstairs patio but the sandwich was still worth the stop.

    Peter Strzok (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 11, 2018 at 09:10:48 PM EST
    Testifies all day tomorrow starting at 10.

    Could be a good show.

    Controversial FBI agent Peter Strzok's upcoming hearing, explained

    He (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:32:55 AM EST
    is already coming out swinging
    "Let me be clear, unequivocally and under oath: not once in my 26 years of defending my nation did my personal opinions impact any official action I took," he will say.

    He says that he was one of the few people during the 2016 election who knew the details of Russian election interference and its possible connections with people in the Trump orbit, and that that information could have derailed Trump's election chances. "But," he said, "the thought of exposing that information never crossed my mind."

    and he tells it like it is about the Republicans actions
    "I have the utmost respect for Congress's oversight role, but I truly believe that today's hearing is just another victory notch in Putin's belt and another milestone in our enemies' campaign to tear America apart," Strzok will say, according to the remarks. "As someone who loves this country and cherishes its ideals, it is profoundly painful to watch and even worse to play a part in."

    I think this is another reason (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:54:16 AM EST
    Trump is dancing as fast as he can to distract the media.

    Peter Strzok (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:21:05 PM EST
    is a real bada$$, he is as good as Republican Chairman Goodlatte is just plain bad, bad at his job...does not even know the rules.   Republican incompetence is always our best hope. The Democrats are pretty impressive in their knowledge of the rules, their questions, and their ability to get in the Russian investigation's results to date.  

    It looks like the R-idiots that run (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:39:20 PM EST
    this committee may regret calling Strzok as a witness. I sure hope so.

    I am not (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:47:45 PM EST
    Reassured that one of the only clear publicized voices against this breach of sanity is this FBI lawyer who did use his work phone to text the person he was cheating with. But at this point I'll take what I can get.

    Not saying I'm perfect or he needs to be perfect, but it is one hell of a weight, all of it, at this point. I hope he is taking care of himself because I cannot fathom the stress.

    Is there a GoFundMe for his massage therapy? Cuz holy hell


    Seriously (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 05:04:02 PM EST
    I'm exhausted just watching

    It's very disturbing to this ancient KeysDan, (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 04:08:53 PM EST
    to watch and hear the massive vitriol the Republicans spew forth against FBI agent  Strzok Fortunately the Democrats have equal time to counter them.  Trey Gowdy is a real a-hole.  I'm not sure I believe everything the FBI often says, but this investigation is dated and shouldn't be happening in my opinion.  It was quite entertaining, almost better than Wimbledon.

    Trey Gowdy (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 04:42:51 PM EST
    Has nothing on Louis "crazy eyes" Gohmert.

    Gohmert (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 04:52:42 PM EST
    Is probably the dumbest member of Congress, ever.
    The people in his district who keep electing him should hang their heads in shame.

    I think Goodlatte is worse (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 05:30:38 PM EST
    He should get himself a fu@king powdered wig.

    He is a cross between the Queen of Hearts and the Inquisition


    Yes, Gohmert (none / 0) (#82)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 06:36:20 PM EST
    just cast more aspersions on his asparagus.  Even the Republicans put him in the penalty box.  But, Goodlatte, the supposed chair, is the engineer of this train-wreck along with the conductor, Gowdy.

    Goodlatte's demeanor (none / 0) (#90)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:26:59 PM EST
    and comportment puts very much in mind of Henry Hyde, if anyone remembers him.

    Wasn't he the "youthful... (none / 0) (#194)
    by unitron on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 12:55:42 AM EST
    ...indiscretions" guy, at a time in his life generally referred to as middle aged?

    Agreed, Fishcamp (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 05:05:07 PM EST
    More than an embarrassment, a calamity.  A Soviet show trial had more credibility.  The only redeeming feature was to underscore the depths the Republicans will go to undermine the Mueller investigation. They all seemed scared and torn, both by their Trumpist marching orders and being left on a limb to soon be sawed off.

     They did pick the wrong scapegoat, however.  The intended punching bag left them bloodied and on the ropes. They tried their best to give Republican Congressman Jim Jordan some diversionary time from allegations, with apparent legs, of a wrestling team sex scandal while a coach at OSU. Don't think Jordan used the opportunity well, he was stuck on some conspiracy piece.

    And, the Democrats were well-prepared and used their time to point out where the efforts of investigation should be directed, rather than, what about her emails.


    There is actually more credible evidence ... (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:47:02 PM EST
    ... that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) was part of an effort to cover up the sexual abuse of male athletes at Ohio State by an athletic department physician, than there is that Peter Strzok was the spearhead of an anti-Trump scheme at the FBI.

    If there was any ongoing conspiracy in the FBI during the 2016 campaign, it likely rests with that right-wing cabal of active and retired agents inhabiting the bureau's New York field office, who leaked confidential information about the Hillary Clinton email investigation to congressional Republicans like a sieve.



    Strzok's rhetorical beatdown of Gowdy ... (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:30:19 PM EST
    ... was a righteous display of withering contempt for his inquisitor and truly something to behold:

    "In terms of the texts that 'we will stop it,' you need to understand that was written late at night, off-the-cuff, and it was in response to a series of events that included then-candidate Trump insulting the immigrant family of a fallen war hero, and my presumption, based on that horrible, disgusting behavior that the American population would not elect somebody demonstrating that behavior to be President of the United States."

    Boy, the American populace sure fooled him, didn't they?


    Incompetence is the new cool (none / 0) (#60)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:43:47 PM EST
    the Republicans are in danger of normalizing it for the masses..

    The spin is becoming that to know what you're talking about makes you an out-of-touch "elite."

    Forget about going to school or any of that and just wait for divine guidance..


    This is what I am watching (none / 0) (#32)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 01:07:16 AM EST
    Lots of Americans have a much different idea about bike racing than Europeans who view it as a blood sport like boxing where they expect to see injuries and on occasion death.

    But I still love the Tour.


    This (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 06:58:38 AM EST
    is all I know about THE TOUR

    But this testimony could be good.  The guy is scrappy and angry and he has a story to tell.  I think the republicans may come to regret thinking they could humiliate this guy for 8-10 hours and come out looking good.

    His lawyer recently said in a statement (paraphrase cause I don't feel like looking for it)  that he was not opposed to Trump as president because he was a partisan or liked Hillary but because of information he had seen as head of counter intelligence at the FBI.


    The Tour (none / 0) (#41)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:37:41 AM EST
    It was a joke (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:41:51 AM EST
    See:  humor

    yea I got that (none / 0) (#48)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:05:18 AM EST
    even if the toon, which was well done, only had small segments of bike riding.

    I have to say I am over working my clicker watching both the Tour and the hearing.

    Have to say the hearing seems to be spending a lot of time on parliamentary procedure; in my view as the results of the Dems seemingly trying to slow things down.  Right now they are determining if members of both comities will get one vote or two since it is a combined hearing.

    Gotta say the Tour is a lot more entertaining from my perspective.


    Uh huh (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 10:08:15 AM EST
    Stormy Daniles Arrested (none / 0) (#30)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:40:28 AM EST
    Kinda trumped up charge, something about allowing a customer touch her while she was performing.  Her lawyer says she will contest the charge, and he expects her to be released on bail.

    There was a state's attorney in Tallahassee when I was a student there that did this sort of thing to drive the strip clubs out of town; or at least away from FSU.  It seemed to work, in part I suspect because the cost of business simply could not produce a profit.  I have to wonder just how much money Daniels makes for a show like this.  May be judgmental but playing a strip club in Columbus, Ohio can't be that great a gig.

    Seen lots of crazy laws but the (none / 0) (#33)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 01:32:36 AM EST
    Ohio law known as the Community Defense Act prohibits anyone who isn't a family member to touch a nude or semi-nude dancer.

    So a family member can touch a stripper but no one else can.  Not sure what I can add to that.


    Cousins are family, right? (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 01:35:31 PM EST
    Didn't someone prove that no one is more distantly related from anyone else than 8th cousin?

    Pretty sure (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:39:26 PM EST
    Alabama has an identical law

    Makes a certain amount of sense (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 08:29:02 PM EST
    in a God's Little Acre kinda way.

    Update (none / 0) (#46)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:52:10 AM EST
    early reports were a customer touched Stormy Daniels, but now it seems she was the one who touched a customer (in fact three customers who were all undercover LEOs).

    Just as an aside that perhaps Peter G can answer.  Almost every report, and especially reports from the more well known sources all seem to go out of the way to note "Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford".  Is there some law that requires news sources to do this.


    Charges dropped. (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:45:40 PM EST
    Reminds me of when (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 01:27:10 PM EST
    the vice cops used to follow Lenny Bruce around waiting for him to swear on stage.

    I guess some cops like Trump even more now, ever since he gave them permission to slam arrestees around.


    "Is there some law that requires (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:11:38 PM EST
    news sources to do this"? Absolutely not. If there were, that law would plainly violate the First Amendment protection for freedom of the press. It's just simple, good, factual journalism.

    They really police strip clubs (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 12:54:35 PM EST
    in Ohio for that kind of thing, or is it just Stormy? SAD!

    My favorite part in the story (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:40:51 PM EST
    is that all those undercover police were REALLY there from an ongoing prostitution and sex trafficking investigation. I think I need my deep water waders. Cause the bs is getting deep.

    I think we all know why... (none / 0) (#111)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 08:35:38 AM EST
    the fuzz was really there...t*tties at time and a half.  Great gig if you can find it...only prerequisite is a total lack of ethics.

    T*tties at time and a half (none / 0) (#164)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 03:37:13 PM EST
    sounds like a Sammy Hagar song from the eighties.

    The legacy of... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 03:16:54 PM EST
    infamous Ohioan grifter and prude Charles Keating perhaps?

    There some really bad toupees (none / 0) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 05:33:24 PM EST
    at this congressional hearing.  

    Strzok's is one of the worst... (none / 0) (#80)
    by fishcamp on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 06:01:50 PM EST
    I dont believe Strzok (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 06:22:34 PM EST
    Is wearing a toupee

    Are you watching in HD?


    I thought this hearing would (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 07:46:19 PM EST
    Never end. Geez! What a giant waste of air this entire thing as.

    And that f*cking Trey Gowdy. That is all I have to say. F*cking Trey Gowdy.


    Imagine how Strzok felt (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 05:59:29 AM EST
    The best comment I saw about Gowdy was 'after watching him for hours I can only say, thank god I'm bald'

    All in all that was a bad day for the GOP.  the 30% no doubt loved it.  Rest not so much.

    It's hard to imagine any reasonable person watching that not being sickened.


    FOX cut away (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:48:30 AM EST
    Halfway through.  All you need to know.

    When FOX cut away (none / 0) (#114)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:31:01 AM EST
    I switched to CNN who also cut away to Trump doing something in the UK, so did MSNBC, but CSPAN was covering the hearing so I went there.

    MSNBC covered it non stop. (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:43:28 AM EST
    I watched it.  If they cut away it was for a break.

    They came back.  FOX apparently did not.  I don't watch FOX so I'm just reporting what I heard.


    Howdy, check out the whiskbroom (none / 0) (#106)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:16:57 AM EST
    on Strzok's forehead.  Hell yeah, I'm HD, 4K, soundbar, internet connected, and electric powered chair.  Aren't you?

    I have exactly the same thing (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:47:07 AM EST
    When my hair is that length.  Widows peak it's called.  

    No toupee

    He had a bald spot the size of a dinner plate from the back.


    Check (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:50:29 AM EST
    Whats with NY Dems (none / 0) (#102)
    by ragebot on Thu Jul 12, 2018 at 09:27:48 PM EST
    headline from the Hill is

    Ocasio-Cortez accuses defeated Dem of mounting third-party challenge

    Reading the blurb the headline seems sensationalized.  In fact Crowley looks to be doing the right thing and Ocasio-Cortez seems to be spoiling for a fight.  NY election law makes it hard to get off the ballot if you have support of a minor party which Crowley does and he says he is not mounting a challenge and goes on to say the dems need to come together.  So far it kinda looks like a "he says, she says" to me since I have no idea what goes on in NY politics.  But the article does not paint a good pix of Ocasio-Cortez.

    She's (none / 0) (#108)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:48:03 AM EST
    acting like a spoiled brat here. And she's acting like she has no confidence in her ability to win the general election.

    Given how few votes she got (none / 0) (#116)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:41:34 AM EST
    in the primary and the power house Crowley is she may well not have the horsepower to beat him in the general if he pulls out all the stops.  There is a real split between the existing powers that be and the progressives/what ever you call them.  What plays well in a liberal NYC district would be a real problem for many dems in purple or red states.

    Lucky for Ocasio-Cortez... (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:02:59 AM EST
    her soon to be district, and those who share her policy goals everywhere...her duty is only to represent her district and not purple or red districts.  

    Even with a potential for Crowley to play spoiler on the WFP ballot line (stupid f&ckin' NY election rules btw), I don't think Crowley or the Republican have a prayer in that district.  Big donor money can't save them, the district is angry and woke and will rock the vote.  


    Oh for god's sake. Crowley (none / 0) (#129)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:44:25 AM EST
    is not going to mount a third party run against Ocasio-Cortez. Crowley has publicly stated his support for her. What more does she want?

    He has no good options for getting his name off the ballot. It is insane to demand that he move out of state. And equally insane to demand that he run for a different office that he does not want and would not serve in.

    Blame NY election laws. And the WFP who endorsement of Crowley put him in this position. Sounds like CYA for those folks.

    This sounds like JD and OR tactics. Keep things stirred up. Fundraise off the turmoil you are creating. Ocaso-Cortez should pu an end to this.


    She's not (none / 0) (#132)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:58:38 AM EST
    impressing many people with her childish behavior. You know, you could see people voting for Crowley after all this.

    Maybe some... (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:18:45 AM EST
    "third-way" older white Dems will vote for Crowley...but an invigorated youth and minority vote will more than make up for any of that, in my humble opinion.  And we can probably thank Trump for that as much as anybody! lol

    Maybe she is being childish, or maybe she is reminding her soon to be constituents we have more obstacles to overcome for the changes we seek than just Trumpers and Republicans.  Namely the old DNC machine in NY...who claim to support the socialist wing when it suits them, and swivel back to support big money donors and old tired "third-way" politics when it suits them.

    Sh&t if we end up with Ocasio-Cortez in the House (and maybe later Schumer's seat in the Senate), Teachout as State AG, and Nixon as Governor I might just spontaneously combust with hope for our future!


    Sorry Kdog (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:34:00 AM EST
    but if your idea of great candidates is someone like Nixon who thinks she should just start at the top with no legislative experience and Teachworth who ran behind Hillary in her congressional race I think you might need some adjustments in your thinking. Nixon's campaign has pretty much fizzled and Teachworth's is probably not going to get off the ground with her numbers from 2016.

    Young people are the least realiable voters out there. If she's relying on that then that makes her situation more precarious and it probably explains her childish behavior. We've got enough childish behavior from Trump. Do we need anymore? I'm seeing a lot of horseshoe politics these days with some people on the left having more in common with Trump than with their own party members.

    The problem is most socialists are lazy and want someone else to do the work. They like to lecture people and tell them what to do but they certainly don't want to do the work themselves. At least Ocasio-Cortez went door to door. And socialists need to find a better name for themselves. Only 35% of the country thinks socialism is positive.


    That is a pretty broad condemnation (5.00 / 3) (#146)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:51:35 AM EST
    of socialists. And it is inaccurate. I can find nothing to back up your statement that most socialists are lazy.

    Also, Americans are more receptive to socialism than they have been at any time since the Great Depression. This is particularly true with those under 40, although I know a numbe4 of 60 something's, myself included, who find a lot to like with socialism as we define and express it in the USA.

    If Cynthia Nixon can knock out Andrew Cuomo, well, I say "Yay,,". She cannot possibly be a worse governor. And she will certainly shake things up in Albany, a state capital so filled with corruption that it make my own capital of Springfield IL almost look good.

    I would not vote for Teachout in this race, but that is just me.

    As for Ocasio-Cortez, she needs to be careful here. If she wants to get anything done in Congress she will have to work with other people.


    Socialism (none / 0) (#147)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 12:40:24 PM EST
    may well be more popular with young people but I was just going on the Gallup numbers for everybody. Only 35% of the country has a positive impression of socialism.

    I completely understand the issues with Cuomo. It's really too bad someone credible did not step up to challenge him. Personally I think Trump has completely killed off the celebrity candidate and that may be a positive to come out of all this mess. Nixon's campaign has devolved to the point where it's all about calling Cuomo a Republican.


    All the country... (5.00 / 3) (#149)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:22:26 PM EST
    needs is a little deprogramming and education...I'd guess that the 65% that view socialism poorly are thinking of Venezuela, the former Soviet Union and the ravings of Sean Hannity.  Not Sweden or Canada....or even our very own country with it's examples of highly successful and popular socialist programs like Social Security and Medicare and K-12 public education.  

    That has much to do with right-wing propaganda as it does to liberals being sniveling cowards more worried about being called names than defending their supposed goals of a better society.


    I'm not sure (none / 0) (#174)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 04:55:44 PM EST
    about Venezuela but Russia was a socialist country. Socialism means the government owns the means of production in a country. What you are talking about is called welfare in Europe. It's not socialism. Canada is not a socialist country. It is a capitalist country with socialized medicine. Bernie even compared himself to the PM of Denmark who basically told him to be quiet because they were a capitalist country.

    China is probably today's best model of socialism.


    The trouble with "impressions" (none / 0) (#154)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:52:31 PM EST
    60 million people also had a positive impression of Trump, while the majority of Americans still can't name a single Supreme Court Justice..

    This is what you end up with when rich people who hate paying taxes, marketers and operatives-for-hire turn the country into one big focus group..

    The people end up inert, apathetic and 'impressed' the way hot wax is. With no countervailing critical thinking involved in the process.


    I too... (none / 0) (#133)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:01:04 AM EST
    blame nonsensical NY election law, where a guy who says "I'm not running" is de facto forced to run.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    I was just trying to say even though his name will be on the ballot, and people will therefore be able to vote for him, it will not influence the outcome.  Ocasio-Cortez will be in the House of Representatives, and I think that has the potential to be f*cking awesome for the district, the House, and the nation.


    Friday news dump (none / 0) (#115)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:36:39 AM EST
    Rosenstein to make "major cyber law enforcement announcement"

    Lots of speculation on what it will be.  Suppose to be at 1:15EST last I saw.  With so many agencies involved charges could be widespread.

    I would imagine (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:45:44 AM EST
    It's the indictments related to the hack of the DNC and others

    I'm lookin at you Roger Stone


    Is this why Trump (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:34:36 AM EST
    Had a hard time concentrating and focusing on his prepared remarks a few hours ago and rambled all over?

    Just heard (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:40:52 AM EST
    'Why was she so polite to him?'

    Fu@king DUH


    Yeah (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:03:09 AM EST
    "I briefed the president ......."

    Be prepared to find out (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:25:59 AM EST
    They breached voting machines too

    I strongly suspect (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:27:19 AM EST
    MORE is coming before Kavanaugh is confirmed

    Thankfully (none / 0) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:36:14 AM EST
    Kavanaugh has a MASSIVE paper trail that is going to have to be gone over. That literally could take months and months.

    I agree, MT. We are going to find out (none / 0) (#187)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 09:32:38 PM EST
    that votes were changed. And then what do we do? We have no mechanism for dealing with something lik that.

    I don't know (none / 0) (#193)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:40:09 PM EST
    But Russia has been at this for awhile. Turned out that the military couldn't purge the spyware from Kaspersky downloads. They have been in our .mil systems for years. They stole the entire US security clearance database. They used Facebook to harass military spouses portraying themselves as ISIS fighters (and I am hard to find on Facebook). They compromised infrastructure networks.

    And this first indictment acknowledges they were in everything electionwise, just leaves out the actual voting. I think I can guess why we stopped there for now.


    It has begun (none / 0) (#138)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:20:20 AM EST
    This President cannot select a supreme court justice. Not right now. If we allow it we are out of our minds

    To quote Uncle Joe (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:19:51 AM EST
    This will be a big fu@king deal.


    Trump will say he is OK with the Russia policy on Crimea

    Gotta keep those reporters chasing their tale


    Or (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:20:14 AM EST
    Their tail

    For example (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:34:17 AM EST
    Consider Trey (funny hair) Gowdys best shot yesterday;

    How many American citizens have been indicted in the Mueller investigation?

    Be careful what you wish for Funny Hair


    OK (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:49:30 AM EST
    Could be Russians

    It's still a BFD


    Trey (Funny Hair) Gowdy? (none / 0) (#155)
    by vml68 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:18:35 PM EST
    I prefer Trey (Banjo boy) Gowdy :-)!

    Gowdy always puts me in mind (none / 0) (#163)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 03:32:16 PM EST
    of pecan pie for some reason.

    And all because someone slipped up with the forceps in the delivery room.


    Pecan pie (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 08:35:06 PM EST
    might be nutritionally worthless and loaded with calories but it sure tastes good. I wouldn't insult pecan pie by comparing it to Gowdy.

    He is pretty typical of your fundamentalist Southern Baptist.


    Once upon a time... (none / 0) (#195)
    by unitron on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 01:06:31 AM EST
    ...the Baptist churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention were not the fundamentalist ones.

    They were the most progressive among the various flavors of Baptist.

    We used to call the non-SBC Baptists "hardshell" or "primitive" Baptists.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#197)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 08:16:51 AM EST
    I remember those days. The SBC churches used to be moderate. It would seem that the moderates have now broken away from the SBC. A friend of mine used to complain because the far right right churches had the same voting strength as the moderates who had churches with way more members.

    More progressive than the "hardshells" (none / 0) (#200)
    by Peter G on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 10:57:56 AM EST
    no doubt, but around here (Phila suburbs) we have the Eastern Baptists (American Baptist Churches USA, formerly "Northern Baptist") -- seminary and college both, as well as church congregations -- who are certainly more progressive than the Southern Baptist Convention. That said, the Baptists have a strong history of involvement with social reform movements (including abolitionism) in the U.S., based on their stated "conservative" (i.e., Biblical) religious principles, as I understand it.

    Harold (Trey) Gowdy... (none / 0) (#189)
    by desertswine on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:02:32 PM EST
    used to appear on a tv show called Forensic Files.

    Forensic Files (TV Series documentary)

    • Skeleton Key (2011) ... Himself - Solicitor
    • DNA Dragnet (2009) ... Himself - Prosecutor
    • Home Evasion (2008) ... Himself - Prosecutor
    • Driven to Silence (2008) ... Himself - Prosecutor

    Funny (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:07:22 PM EST
    Maybe it's just my past choices on YouTube (I use it for music a lot) but




    Was the next 2 selections in the right column

    Both amazing


    Pfft sorry (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 06:28:43 PM EST
    I know we are running out of comments (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 09:53:35 AM EST
    But one more

    happy saturday


    A 2 Cello sandwich (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 14, 2018 at 10:22:04 AM EST
    Is on my bucket list.



    Wasn't there (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 10:55:58 AM EST
    supposed to be a big announcment months ago that didn't amount to much?

    This one includes SDNY. That would seem to imply it has more to do with Cohen than anybody else. I hope you are right and I am wrong. I would think the indictment of Stone would be coming out of Mueller's office though.


    That is (none / 0) (#135)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:02:04 AM EST
    dated March of this year.

    Wondering about both the (none / 0) (#139)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:20:47 AM EST
    timing and how realistic this is.  Muller indicted some Russians a while back knowing there was no way they would leave Russia and appear in court.  Later Muller was forced to ask for a delay when lawyers for the Russians started discovery.  This seems like a rehash of the earlier Muller indictment where there is no possibility of the accused appearing for trial and no way to punish them if they are found guilty.  I am wondering about the possibility confiscating the networks and servers and just how that works.  That would open up a real can of worms if networks and servers used in illegal activities could be taken.  Would this apply to stuff like kiddie poUUrn (intentional misspell), or even normal poUUrn (which is illegal in some jurisdictions); since everyone knows poUUrn dominates the internet.

    Also not sure if this hurts or helps Trump meeting with Putin.  What ever you think about Trump it is hard to deny it is probably not possible to embarrass him.  On the other hand it gives him another bullet in his gun when he can say to Putin 12 of your guys just got indicted.

    I have to say in the bigger picture seizing stuff related to criminal activity is a sore subject and folks on both sides of the aisle who have claimed there are way too many abuses. Those who are rooting for the Russian assets to be seized could be winning the battle but losing the war.


    I would say (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 05:01:22 PM EST
    Wonder no more.  The timing could not be more transparently deliberate.  Mueller could easily have waited till after this meeting.  

    Clearly it was meant to make it look as bad as it should.  

    Yes, the Russians will almost certainly never see the inside of a U.S. courtroom.  That is not the point.

    The point is THIS is the crime.  Conspiracy comes next.  I would bet in the next few weeks the next shoe will drop and we will a round of indictments of Americans.  

    The mention of the congressional candidate who asked for and received stolen data and "persons known and unknown" was not accidental.

    Mueller is setting the table.  The party hasn't even started.


    Agreed. (none / 0) (#176)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 05:14:29 PM EST
    As Rosentein said, no Americans in THIS indictment. In the meanwhile, however, this indictment exonerates Salem.  

    This white house tweet (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 05:21:36 PM EST
    Was interesting

    Today's charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone on the campaign....

    This (none / 0) (#178)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 05:40:58 PM EST
    shot was very telling,  
    The Conspirators spearfished individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign throughout the summer of 2016. For example, on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators attempted after hours to spearfish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton's personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton Campaign.
    Very interesting specificity in naming the exact date that tRump invited the Russians to hack Hillary's email.

    The depth and detail (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 05:48:11 PM EST
    Of the knowledge of the communications of these Russians, with each other, with outsiders, has to be causing some acid reflux

    Yeah about that date.  Sort of dropped like a cherry on top.


    in the wrong (none / 0) (#140)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:21:57 AM EST

    We were attacked by the GRU (none / 0) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 11:23:09 AM EST
    It was an act of war.

    The battlefield has evolved, as it always does.


    Friday the 13th Indictment (none / 0) (#152)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 01:42:15 PM EST
    The Indictment alleges a GOP Congressional candidate asked for and received the stolen docs directly from Gucifer 2.0.

    Now, some "Latin":  Holy f*cking sh*t.

    I am starting to think that Mueller may really get the goods on Trump.    Just learned that Cohen was supposedly a go-between for the Trump campaign and Russia.

    Sam Nunberg is doing cable news (none / 0) (#156)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:20:08 PM EST
    Now. Sweet baby jesus

    Yes, and the Strzok (none / 0) (#162)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 13, 2018 at 02:53:30 PM EST
    hearing seems more and more a (misfired) attempt by the culpable Republican House members to deflect from their colleagues who asked for/received stolen documents from Russian intelligence to help their election bids.. Florida Republican Congressman, Matt Gaetz, who wants to fire Mueller looks bad, and has already received tweet props from Trump.