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    Bone Spurs uninvites (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 06:10:54 PM EST
    Philadelphia Eagles to White House tomorrow. I'm dubious. Methinks a majority  of the players refused to attend and this is a face saving ploy by the oompa loompa administration. Go Eagles!!

    I can't stand the Iggles (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 08:53:22 PM EST
    It is a long standing hate going back to at least Buddy Ryan and Bounty Bowl......

    It killed me they won, but, heh, good on them.  Philly people are a tough, hard headed bunch.


    I remember that Thanksgiving Day game (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 01:05:56 PM EST
    Aikman got the most brutal pummeling I think I've ever seen a quarterback take. Poor guy must've been sore for weeks after that game.

    The birds in Baltimore are primary. Philamadelphia (none / 0) (#39)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 09:01:40 PM EST
    Makes a no. 2 bird team. Ravens are AFC, Eagles are NFC. Makes it easy to root for both until comes a day when bird vs bird. Purple and black it will be.

    Unfortunately this is going to on the entire season. Bone spurs will wear this out. Best solution is not to play Anthem at all. Warren Zevon's 'Hit Somebody' would nicely. Ok. I know it's a hockey song, but the words fit.


    This whole orgy (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 09:18:07 PM EST
    of patriotism and military recruitment at football games has worn very thin anyway..

    Flags the size of Rhode Island covering the field and the screaming eagles flying overhead. Enough already.

    Of course, I realize just saying that makes you a possible traitor in some dullard's eyes, but there it is.


    Better still, play ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 03:31:40 PM EST
    ... the original musical inspiration of our National Anthem, that old 18th century English gentlemen's club drinking song (written c. 1784-90) called "To Anacreon in Heaven." The reason why that song soon became the basis for "The Star-Spangled Banner" is that the tune had become quite popular in the United States during the time of the War of 1812 -- which is also, as everyone knows, when those dastardly Canadians burned the White House.



    Zevon! (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 08, 2018 at 09:03:44 AM EST
    Good call, a better American poet/songwriter than Francis Scott Key could have ever dreamed to be.

    Or maybe Pink Floyd's "Brain Damage" would be a good pomp and circumstance to open a NFL game. "The lunatic is on the grass...". And The Ramones "Teenage Lobotomy" for NCAA & high school games. LOL

    I went to my ladyfriend's daughter's dance recital last weekend, they did the whole Star-Spangled Banner tripe before the performances.  It's just so strange to me to uber-nationalize every damn thing.  Wanted to take a knee, but decided it ain't worth getting into it with some Trumper parent in the auditorium and causing a scene on the little girls big day, that would have been selfish. Stand along to get along.


    Good decision. To go. (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 11, 2018 at 03:15:48 PM EST
    And not to detract.

    Prepare to (none / 0) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 03:36:18 PM EST
    endure the controversy throughout the summer into the fall
     From CNN's Jim Acosta, Kevin Liptak and Liz Landers: A source close to the White House says the President plans to continue to pound the NFL National Anthem issue through the midterms.

    Another person familiar with his thinking says Trump has touted this issue before as something that could help him in the midterms, and wants to keep it in the bloodstream.


    Your instincts are correct. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 06:42:56 PM EST
    The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that "less than ten" Eagles players had accepted the White House invitation.

    Overheard on my walk... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 08:19:12 PM EST
    Guy on a bike- "first we'll stop the bleeding and then stop the breathing".

    Paramedic hitman? I love my neighborhood.

    David Hogg, a survivor (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 05:34:09 PM EST
    of Marjory Stonman Douglas High School mass shooting who became a prominent activist on gun reform, was targeted today for "swatting", a dangerous and apparent domestic terrorism act.

     A false crime report was made in the probable hopes that police might shoot someone or otherwise cause harm--a caller reported to the Broward County Sherriff's office that there was an armed break-in and hostage situation at the Hogg family home.  The SWAT team responded in full force; fortunately, David and his mother were in Washington, DC, for David's Robert Kennedy Award. No one was hurt.  

    Young people appear to be among targets of right wing nut jobs, including conservatives on campus. Niall Ferguson, at Stanford's conservative Hoover Institute, organized and conspired with other students, to discredit a liberal student activist, Michael Ocon (class of 2020).

     The young Ocon was seen as a threat to Ferguson's conservative agenda, and became the subject of "opp research."

    Along with some of his students, Ferguson, through subsequently revealed emails, was digging for dirt on the student.  Ferguson is known for his discounting the landmark work of LOrd John Maynard Keynes since he was gay, and for his defense of British colonialism.  

    Hogg, too, has been targeted on a personal basis, from being aa "crisis actor" to more personal matters.  The state of the deal.

    Fifty years. Fifty years ago today. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 07:03:51 PM EST
    My god, it has been fifty years since Bobby Kennedy was shot. And tomorrow it will be fifty years since he died.

    Fifty years! Fifty years since Bobby. Fifty years since MLK. Soon it will be fifty years since the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Also Prague Spring. The Tet offensive. Worldwide student uprisings. And, of course, Nixon.

    1968 was one hell of a year. Our country, possibly the world, coming apart at the seams.

    I was 16 in 1968. The effect that year had on me , on my politics, my worldview, the lens of skepticism through which I view most things, the sadness that lodged in my heart that year and remains to this day.

    Bobby was the last politician with whom I fell in love. Sometimes I think about those times  and wonder where we would be, where our country would be if RFK and MLK had not been killed. No way of knowing. Just wondering.

    1968 knocked awry our country's trajectory. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 07:32:30 PM EST
    The assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy on June 5 was a true watershed moment in American politics, arguably much more so than the assassination of his brother John.

    With his triumph that night in the California primary, RFK had become the clear frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, and the sheer momentum of his campaign at that point would've likely carried him to victory, first at the convention in Chicago and then in the November 1968 general election. I think Hubert Humphrey would've stepped aside once he saw that RFK had the upper hand, or perhaps even joined him in a unity ticket.

    Robert Kennedy's untimely death really ensured a divided Democratic convention, and most certainly led to Richard Nixon's eventual election to the presidency five months later. And the rest, as they say, is history.



    Melania to re-appear, (none / 0) (#1)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 03:20:56 PM EST
    and not just a "Psycho" image in the window.  A private, reception for gold star families (the Khan family, anyone?) at the WH late this afternoon.  All the birthers are upset with the conspiracies....It has been announced that Mel will not be joining her husband at the G-7 or N. Korea meetings.  

    Mel reappeared, (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 08:04:17 PM EST
    In a way. A public event that was private...no press. Trump mentioned her according to white house reports. She did not speak, but released a statement.



    CNN (none / 0) (#3)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 07:21:06 PM EST
    reporting that Mueller is accusing Manafort of witness tampering, seeking to revoke bond.

    Manafort going to Big House (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 04, 2018 at 08:50:39 PM EST
    I am not really big on sending people to the Big House, but these guys are crooks and thugs.  If some African American kid did this, he would never see the light of day.

    It seems likely (none / 0) (#15)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 06:22:37 PM EST
    ...that Mueller let Manafort stay out of jail with house arrest, and monitored his communications just to see what might happen. Not a lot of ways you can communicate in secret without leaving the house.

    So Manafort tried an encryption app, not realizing that it stored an un-encrypted version on the Cloud, which Mueller has warrants for.

    Now in addition to sitting in a cell, he provided "consciousness of guilt" and yet another felony.


    Paul Manafort opened a closet door, and ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 07:16:12 PM EST
    ... a bunch of Russians fell out. As Mother Jones' David Corn and Hannah Levintova noted today:

    "And not only did Manafort allegedly seek to suborn perjury, he did so through a former Russian intelligence officer named Konstantin Kilimnik, who was already on Mueller's radar screen."

    So, Manafort reached out to witnesses D1 and D2 via Person A, Konstantine Kilimnik, a known Russian operative who was not an unknown quantity to the Special Counsel's team. LOL! What a moron! To quote FBI Dep. Director Mark Felt aka "Deep Throat" (Hal Holbrooke) from All the President's Men, "The truth is, these are not very bright guys -- and things got out of hand."

    U.S. District Judge Amy Berman has now scheduled a June 15 hearing to address whether or not to revoke Manafort's bail pending trial, and she has given his attorneys until Friday to respond to Robert Mueller's accusation that their client tampered with witnesses.



    Kim and Trump (none / 0) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 04:47:27 PM EST
    meeting looking good.  Dennis Rodman will arrive in Singapore a day before the June 12 summit and may have a role in the nuke negotiations.  

    Rodman (none / 0) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 05:05:59 PM EST
    in, Bolton sits with foul trouble, Bolton sidelined as Trump readies for North Korea, and in tRump world that's probably a good thing.

    How bizarre that this is real... (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 05:54:01 PM EST
    these people;  Trump, Rodman, Kim, Bolton are so cartoonish, I feel like we're living in a comic book.

    Maybe Scoobie-Doo, Shaggy and the gang ... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 07:37:42 PM EST
    ... can also accompany them and thwart any bad guys who want to sabotage this most illustrious meeting of our glorious and fearless leaders.

    I wish it was (none / 0) (#32)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:26:13 PM EST
    a cartoon, instead of real life.
    But I know what you're saying.  :-(

    Yes, Rodman (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 05:40:39 PM EST
    is very likely more appealing to Kim than Bolton's Libyan model.  Now, if we can only replace Trump. We know Mel will not be there, but we can count on Ivanka sitting in the big chair.

    Your NSA is sidelined (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jun 08, 2018 at 12:08:50 PM EST
    For being a pr*ck.

    Still has the job even though he is of no actual benefit.

    We ARE living in a cartoon.


    One of my favorite snorkeling spots ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 06:59:12 PM EST
    ... in east Hawaii island is now no more, as lava flows from the Kilauea eruption have reached and inundated Kapoho Bay on the island's easternmost point. Here's some aerial video, taken at about 10:00 a.m. HST this morning. It's a pretty spectacular sight: LINK.

    Longtime residents here is east Hawaii have told me that this is the largest eruptive phase they've seen from Kilauea since it first sprang back to life in 1983. In terms of lava output, it's the biggest since Mauna Loa last erupted in the spring of 1984.

    Here in Hilo, we had a series of earthquakes yesterday, most of them noticeable but relatively minor. They're caused by magma draining from Kilauea's summit and moving down the east rift zone toward the eruption site in Leilani Estates. But one of the jolts was 5.5, which struck just before 4:00 p.m. HST, and it was enough to rouse everyone from their offices and into the halls here at Lagoon Center.


    Literally. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:03:15 AM EST
    That particular flow has created new land which extends nearly a mile out from the bay's former shoreline. It's not quite a peninsula yet, but it likely will be in another day or two.

    On a sad note, the Kapoho Vacationlands subdivision had nearly 500 homes in it, and local civil defense officials said in a community meeting tonight here in Hilo that only about six are still standing as of this evening. This latest eruptive phase has displaced several thousand Puna residents, many of them permanently.

    The County and State should never have allowed the subdivisions along the East Rift Zone in Puna during the 1960s. Of the seven subdivisions approved at that time, four of them have since been wiped out by Kilauea. The eruption has been spectacular to see, but it's also sobering as well.

    Of course, we're vulnerable in Hilo, too, because 13,700-ft. Mauna Loa looms in the distance to the southwest. It's erupted about once every 40 years or so according to records. Two lava flows from the April 1984 eruption reached within five miles of Hilo's outskirts. Another flow from the 1950 eruption reached the ocean at Waikoloa on the north Kona coast. And the mountaintop has been rumbling and emitting steam for the past 13 months.



    Here are some before-and-after shots of Kapoho, taken on Sunday, June 3 and the morning of Tuesday, June 5. The few houses you see remaining in the June 5 photo have since been overrun by the lava flow and destroyed.

    Kapoho was actually a pretty exclusive residential community with expensive, multi-million dollar homes overlooking the bay. Not any more.

    Here's a map showing the extent of the recent volcanic activity and lava flows, which is highlighted in pink and red. Most all of the flow is coming from one single vent, Fissure No. 8, in the middle of Leilani Estates.

    The purple highlights in the map are significant past lava flows. As I noted earlier, you can see why this area should never have been subdivided for residential purposes back in the 1960s. East Hawaii's Puna District is the most active volcanic region in the world.

    I'm of the opinion that we've now incurred an enormous obligation and liability to currently displaced residents, and likely everyone else in Puna as well. Because by reclassifying and rezoning much of the district for residential communities, as the State Land Use Commission and county officials did 50+ years ago, government foolishly conveyed the impression to people that it was perfectly okay and safe to live here.

    And now, several thousand people are losing everything.


    That looks terrible, those poor people... (none / 0) (#42)
    by desertswine on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 11:34:02 PM EST
    It seems like its been quite a run of bad luck lately for Hawaii.  First, the North Korean missile scare, then rains of biblical proportions, and now this.  What's next, rampaging dinosaurs?

    June 22. "Jurrasic World." (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 04:37:12 AM EST
    It was filmed on Oahu. The previews look really cheesy.

    This guy's got his head up his a$$. The U.S. Attorney General is the director of the Dept. of Justice. But just watch as Der Dershmeister blatantly -- starting at 5:10 -- ignores the role of the White House Counsel, while making the Trump-serving argument that the Attorney General is supposed to function as the President's loyal legal advisor. He calls it a "constitutional flaw":

    "The President wasn't wrong when he said 'I want loyalty from my Attorney General.' It's the Constitution that's wrong for allowing that kind of division to occur."


    Zorba: 'Dershowitz Wrong, Trump Wrong" (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:28:37 PM EST
    That is all.

    DIETLAND (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 05, 2018 at 09:58:11 PM EST
    Is delicious

    I tried to watch it but (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 10:34:38 AM EST
    Xfinity here only has the first episode available in the premium version you have to pay $4.99 a month for, I'm not paying it.

    Can't say (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:18:52 PM EST
    I would pay 4.99 a month for it but it looks very good.  I hope it's not the same here.  I have not had time to investigate

    Episode 3 (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:20:59 PM EST
    Which is really episode 2 because the premier was a double, is shown on AMC set to record next Monday.



    Saw the pilot finally (none / 0) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 11:38:09 AM EST
    I liked it, although I'm not sure where it's going.

    CA District Court Judge Aaron Persky ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:59:21 AM EST
    ... was recalled by voters in Santa Clara County today, two years after he first drew the public's ire for what many saw as a far too light six-month sentence for Stanford University swimmer Brock Turner, who'd been convicted of felony sexual assault of a drunk and unconscious woman at a university fraternity party. (Turner subsequently served three months in a local jail, and was then released for good behavior.)

    While Turner's sentence was clearly within the probation department's recommendations, it was nevertheless an appallingly tone-deaf decision on now-former Judge Persky's part, considering both the circumstances and nature of the offense and the defendant's obvious lack of remorse for his actions.

    I'm generally not in favor of judicial recalls myself, but that's neither here nor there. Recall is an available electoral process in California, and Persky's lenient treatment of Turner really struck a raw nerve in the community and state, and particularly with women. The recall effort was led by Stanford law professor Michele Dauber.

    And I don't think the recall process will be used to abuse the judiciary; Persky is only the fourth California judge to be recalled from the bench since the state first adopted the recall process early in the 20th century.


    Sad day for justice (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 09:10:27 AM EST
    And I don't think the recall process will be used to abuse the judiciary

    I hope you're correct but I think this sends a horrible message.  

    Do judges ever get recalled for giving an unusually tough sentence?  


    It has been 86 years (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 09:43:54 AM EST
    ...since the last successful recall of a judge in California.

    It does not appear to be a trend.


    Lego my kiddie p0rn (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 03:39:55 PM EST
    you can make this stuff up

    A Disney annual pass holder, a Boy Scout driver, and a 16-year-old are also accused of being part of a sick ring that involved images of child victims as young as 3 years old.

    Florida again (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 06:24:35 PM EST
    America's drain trap

    Election Choices Matter, reason #2,345,999,622 (none / 0) (#35)
    by vicndabx on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 04:55:59 PM EST

    a recent study by researchers at Harvard University dispelled that narrative by using a little-known process called the scientific method. The extensive study found that white, Republican-appointed judges sentence black defendants to longer prison terms than black justices and judges appointed by Democratic presidents.

    Trump has more judicial vacancies to fill than any recent president. In fact, if Trump serves two terms, by the time he finishes, more than half of the 874 federal judges could be Trump appointees, according to the Washington Post.

    The reason there are so many (none / 0) (#36)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 06, 2018 at 06:14:29 PM EST
    judicial vacancies is due Senate Republicans refusal to follow Senate norms regarding presidential appointments during the Obama administration. They were aided by the unwillingness os Democrats to use the power they had to push appointments through.

    It took forever for Harry Reid to accept that Republicans did not give one single damn for Senate tradition. Patrick Leahy, chair of the Judiciary Committee, never did. And because Leahy refused to face reality Obama judicial appointments languished .

    McConnell's refusal to allow even a vote on Merrick Garland was the end game of years of obstruction.

    I hope to god Democrats have learned from all this. If Dems take control of the Senate after November's election I hope they refuse to act on a single Trump appointee.


    (Sigh!) If only we could be more like Joan Crawford (Jessica Lange) in the FX miniseries "Feud: Bette and Joan," when director Robert Aldrich (Alfred Molina) implores her to not inflame tensions with Bette Davis (Susan Sarandon) by lobbying behind her back against her 1962 Best Actress Oscar nomination for "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?":

    Aldrich: "Don't do it, Joan. You're better than this."

    Crawford: "No, I'm not."



    I agree with this in spirit (none / 0) (#44)
    by vicndabx on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 08:11:40 AM EST
    Concern I have is at what point do we stop with the tit for tat?  Someone has to govern like reasonable adults.

    There should be a new set of rules around procedures in the Senate.  At the very least an understanding that all bets are off once rules are broken.


    "Agree with this in spirit"? (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 02:43:45 PM EST
    Enough with the semi-commitments of support and the siren calls of false equivalence. The bottom line here is that we're not in power, while the party that IS currently in power in behaving like anything but reasonable adults. Yet somehow still, we "won't go there," even though it's painfully obvious that Republicans have shown no such similar reluctance. WHY?

    I mean, jeez, how many friggin' elections have Democrats lost over the last five decades because we "won't go there"? How long do we cling to the delusion that there are still "norms of governance," even when the other side has been bulldozing through those norms at an alarming rate for quite some time now?

    Haven't the bitter lessons of Watergate, Iran-Contra, President Clinton's impeachment, the recall of California Gov. Gray Davis, the trashing and stalling of Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland, and the recent Russian intervention in our elections taught us anything about the ruthlessness of our Republican opponents?

    You don't achieve political power by placing and showing in elections. You have to win. We can afford to be nice AFTER we regain power. Until such time as we do, we owe it to ourselves, our children and our grandchildren to do whatever it takes to win this fight. It's our country, too, you know.

    Until we do win, adhering to the obsolete precepts of situational political etiquette serves only to place us at a tactical disadvantage. And anyone who still thinks otherwise might just as well be offering to pay for the rope by which the newly ensconced ruling GOP oligarchy will eventually hang them.

    Our country's very future is at stake, gang. You need only look at the looming dead end of the cul-de-sac this country's presently racing down at 90 mph with Trump at the wheel, to realize that we need to be on a political war footing with all hands on deck. Let's please face that fact, and grow a pair. Can we at least do that conclusively, rather than "in spirit"?



    I do have to say, (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 05:43:25 PM EST
    Donald, I never subscribed to the "when they go low, we go high" mantra.
    It hasn't done the Dems any good.
    Go for the throat, that's what I say.
    (But then, I'm Greek, and we have been known to carry grudges, not for decades, not for centuries, but for millennia.)

    I (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jun 08, 2018 at 09:33:08 AM EST
    agree,we need to steal some of their tactics but not their material.

    I have come up the term "truth based demagoguery" where our side needs to tell the truth in a somewhat hyperbolic but consistent manner.

    For example their attacks on healthcare should not be answered  with dry policy arguments but with shouts of "theft" and accusations that the Repugs are out to kill us, our parents and our children, which is actually true to some degree.

    Every new revelation about the Russian probe should not be described as "troubling" but rather as "damming"

    IOW, every vile thing that the Republicans do should be painted in the harshest terms possible, over and over again. Seize the narrative and make it hurt.


    I been there bruh and don't mean to imply (none / 0) (#49)
    by vicndabx on Thu Jun 07, 2018 at 05:55:55 PM EST
    Dems should not give the GOP the finger if/when we return to power.

    However you must know our ever faithful to the both sides God 4th estate will not frame Democrat intransigence as a the fighting spirit you decry we lack.

    Furthermore, I don't think staying in the gutter will be good for this country long term.

    Yes we must fight, but we must also work to be better and set an example to those that follow us.