4 Gov. Refuse To Send National Guard to Border

The Governors of four states have refused to send National Guard troops to the southwest border because of Trump's parent-child separation policy.

The states are Maryland, Massachusetts, New York and Rhode Island. Let's hope the list grows.

Nationwide protests are being scheduled around the country for June 30.

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    Why is there (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 12:10:25 PM EST
    so little discussion of the kids here?

    This policy fits the literal definition of Crimes Against Humanity.

    Armando (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 02:21:28 PM EST
    has just a few words for this:  "Racist monsters" and "vote" are his basic response.  

    Perhaps there is not much more one can say.  


    He did comment (none / 0) (#10)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 04:06:04 PM EST
    that Feinstein has effectively eliminated the threat on her Left by De Leon.  

    I am a centrist Dem and even I had thought about voting for De Leon in November--it is just the two Dems on the ballot.  He is young, bright and progressive.  Impressive candidate.

    But she still has it, and had her bill up and running in no time flat with all Dems onboard.


    This will (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 06:47:18 PM EST
    be yet another nail in the coffin for those open primary people.

    Where are the girls? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 03:50:54 PM EST
    Still no photos or sighting of the girls.

    One of the kids on the audiotape said he was from Guatemala.  And Trump said he will end "aid" to the countries of Central America because they are not stopping the refugees from fleeing.

    Well, as far as Guatemala is concerned, we should let all of families with kids in that want to come--because of what we have done to that country.


    It is absolutely not an accident (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 04:21:56 PM EST
    The "government photos" are of boys. And mostly teen age boys. They want people to see potential gang members.  

    Brown teenage boys.  They are the new black teenage boys.


    This is what I am seeing on (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 04:25:56 PM EST

    And possibly

    But I feel like it is also a distraction. Because we still don't know where the infants, toddlers, and girls are. And no answers from a Democratic government?

    We already know that some children the US had in our custody ended up being trafficked.

    Where are the girls? Where are the babies?


    Infants would be (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 04:31:09 PM EST
    Very explosive pictures.  Girls not so much but l really believe it mostly what I said.

    Girls inspire no fear.


    What I fear Captain (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:10:43 PM EST
    Is that girls, infants, and toddlers are easier to place in barely verified foster homes. This type of created crisis is an invitation for predators. There have been recent horrible foster home abuses for US children in the foster system. These children have even fewer protections right now.

    I'm sure you are right (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:43:30 PM EST
    Even if that awful potential is unrelated to the calculated photo release you are probably right.

    Yes, and it (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 05:39:59 PM EST
    is surprising, with ubiquitous phones, that photos have not yet gotten out,somehow. But, then, the photo lock down is critical.  If not Trump, at least Kelly, recalls the iconic photo of the Vietnamese napalm girl and its impact.

    It is impossible for me to believe (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:15:06 PM EST
    That something predatory has not happened to some of these children already. I think it would be statistically impossible at this point in this Trump created crisis. Predators gonna prey. Predators gonna seek opportunity, predators gonna find some prey during a housing crisis and chaos. They always do.

    Super (none / 0) (#14)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 04:34:05 PM EST
    Predators Redux, I think you hit the nail. Straight out of the mind of Miller if you ask me, although Bannon is back in tRumps ear. Kelley probably wishes he thought of it first.

    I think it's Miller (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 05:26:20 PM EST
    That guy is the heart of darkness. Straight from central casting.

    Out (none / 0) (#18)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 05:54:25 PM EST
    of the original Klan members, Miller is the last one standing. From the beginning I always thought he wielded a large but very quiet influence on tRump, certainly on immigration where I suspect he has virtual veto power over any deal.

    On Miller, (none / 0) (#24)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:39:21 PM EST
    I could only comment on him, and what his arm insignia would be, if Godwin's Law is repealed.  

    I can visualize (none / 0) (#28)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:52:34 PM EST
    the armband.

    Does it not fit, can you see it too?


    Absolutely (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:55:53 PM EST
    And riding boots

    The clipped, arrogant (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 08:44:11 PM EST

    Laurence Olivier and Daniel Day Lewis could not have done better.


    Somewhere tonight (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 08:49:05 PM EST
    There was a clip of him campaigning for student council in high school.

    He was screaming


    It was absolutely perfect.  Like an SNL skit.


    Probably true (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:37:59 PM EST
    That explanation would fit.

    So did I hear trump say... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 12:44:43 PM EST
    that Canadians were coming across the border in order to smuggle shoes back to Canada?            

    I had to turn him off after that because he was so full of hatred.

    And, Trump says (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 12:55:23 PM EST
    immigrants will pour into and infest the country.  Trump wants to curtail all immigration (except from places like Norway), building a wall against the demographics---keep America white.  And, the Republican Congress' idea of progress is move from separating mothers and children and jailing them separately to jailing them together.  Family values, zygotes count, children not so much.

    Obviously, (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 01:48:06 PM EST
    the man is unhinged, even more so than before.

    Hence the name "sneakers." (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 12:56:53 PM EST
    Those crafty canuks.

    Sorry, humor not really (none / 0) (#9)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 03:51:39 PM EST
    appropriate here.

    Right, you were thinking maybe "mules" (1.00 / 1) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 05:31:06 PM EST
    would be more appropriate for this dastardly international smuggling operation?

    The topic of the diary (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:41:11 PM EST
    is the kids.

    You care to comment on that?  Or do you prefer to hide behind a distracting comment that attempts to be funny?

    Got no defense of the Cheeto?


    Democratic Socialists (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 09:36:50 PM EST
    Ran Nielsen out of a Mexican restaurant downtown tonight.

    That evil cunt decided she needed a Mexican dinner tonight? What a vile disgusting human being.


    Language, my dear. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 09:53:52 PM EST
    Remember, the well-placed asterisk is our friend. Yes, these are terrible times and certainly such words are likely appropriate when conveying our anger to others rhetorically, and I agree with every word you said. But let's please also respect our host.



    Nah, Jeralyn can delete it if she wants (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 10:19:24 PM EST
    But I'm not censoring the language in my soul at this time. Nope, my country is in such a dangerous place and the NYTimes is putting out whataboutism and claiming they are doing so for decency's sake.

    Nah, censoring isn't healthy right now. Not for me at least.

    And I do believe women can use that word when referencing other women who are doing heinous acts. In fact I believe we have an obligation at such a time to use the C word.

    And I'm fine with what Samantha Bee said too.


    I dunno (none / 0) (#41)
    by MKS on Wed Jun 20, 2018 at 10:27:50 AM EST
    Coming from a woman, maybe has standing...

    Interesting (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Wed Jun 20, 2018 at 10:26:51 AM EST

     I can't imagine any of the Trumps appearing in public, even in a low key fashion, here in California.


    The topic of this particular thread is (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 11:00:38 PM EST
    [Trump said] Canadians were coming across the border in order to smuggle shoes back to Canada

    Probably happening because Trump has no sole.


    Ha ha, how sarcastic (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by MKS on Wed Jun 20, 2018 at 10:24:40 AM EST
    Still got no words for the kids?

    He probably does (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 20, 2018 at 04:34:59 PM EST
    "Womp, womp."

    If he doesn't pull his foot out of his mouth (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 20, 2018 at 06:14:02 AM EST
    And his head out of his azz he is going to find the shoe is on the other foot.

    Ok, I'm done.


    Those crafty canuks are no loafers. (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 20, 2018 at 10:37:25 AM EST
    They prefer NikEhs.

    If you want (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:45:09 PM EST
    to yuck it up at the kids' expense, Fox News is the place for you, if you haven't already picked up your cues from them.

    Laura Ingraham thinks this whole thing is very funny.


    I am thinking (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:36:34 PM EST
    your non-sequitur is a twofur: stupid and callous.  And not funny.

    "Star Trek" actor George Takei spent ... (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 02:55:07 PM EST
    ... part of his childhood during the Second World War interned with other Americans of Japanese ancestry at the Tule Lake Relocation Center in northern California's Siskiyou County, which was the largest of the concentration camps -- let's just dispense with the euphemisms, and call them what they really were -- established in the western United States by the federal government.

    Therefore, when he speaks on such matters, he does so not with the frivolous air of celebrity like one of the Kardashian clan, but as someone with serious authority on such matters by virtue of his personal experience. And today, he's denounced the Trump administration's family separation policy in a blistering op-ed in Foreign Policy magazine:

    "In one core, horrifying way this is worse. At least during the internment of Japanese-Americans, I and other children were not stripped from our parents. We were not pulled screaming from our mothers' arms. We were not left to change the diapers of younger children by ourselves."


    "When a government acts capriciously, especially against a powerless and much-reviled group, it is hard to describe the terror and anxiety. There is nowhere to turn, because the only people with the power to help have trained their guns and dogs upon you. You are without rights, held without charge or trial. The world is upside down, information-less, and indifferent or even hostile to your plight. And yet, with hideous irony, I can still say, 'At least during the internment ...'

    "At least during the internment, when I was just 5 years old, I was not taken from my parents. My family was sent to a racetrack for several weeks to live in a horse stall, but at least we had each other. At least during the internment, my parents were able to place themselves between the horror of what we were facing and my own childish understanding of our circumstances. They told us we were 'going on a vacation to live with the horsies.' And when we got to Rohwer camp, they again put themselves between us and the horror, so that we would never fully appreciate the grim reality of the mosquito-infested swamp into which we had been thrown. At least during the internment, we remained a family, and I credit that alone for keeping the scars of our unjust imprisonment from deepening on my soul.

    "I cannot for a moment imagine what my childhood would have been like had I been thrown into a camp without my parents. That this is happening today fills me with both rage and grief: rage toward a failed political leadership who appear to have lost even their most basic humanity, and a profound grief for the families affected."


    "But unless we act now, we will have failed to learn at all from our past mistakes. Once again, we are flinging ourselves into a world of camps and fences and racist imagery -- and lies just big enough to stick.

    "I wish that those, like me, who lived through this nightmare before didn't have to sound the alarm again. But as my father once told me, America is a great nation but also a fallible one -- as prone to great mistakes as are the people who inhabit it. As a survivor of internment camps, I have made it my lifelong mission to work against them being built ever again within our borders.

    "Although the first camps for border crossers have been built, and are now filling up with innocent children, we have a chance to ensure history does not repeat itself in full, to demonstrate that we have learned from our past and to stand firmly against our worse natures. The internment happened because of fear and hatred, but also because of a failure of political leadership. In 1941, there were few politicians who dared stand up to the internment order. I am hopeful that today there will, should be, must be, far more people who speak up, both among our leaders and the public, and that the future writes the history of our resistance -- not, yet again, of our compliance."

    Definitely worth your time reading, and then passing on to others. Aloha.

    It seems to be growing (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 07:54:51 PM EST
    New Jersey
    New Hampshire
    N Carolina

    Just on Rachel

    Pennsylvania (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 19, 2018 at 08:33:57 PM EST