Tuesday Primaries and Open Thread

Sorry for the late response to the request for a new open thread and one to discuss the primaries.

Season 6 of Senor de los Cielos starts tonight in 15 minutes. Enemigo Intimo ended last night, it was a really good story with a terrific cast. It's hard to say goodbye to Monica Robles but Roxanna Rodilles is another strong female lead, just in a different way. There will be a season 2.

Again, this is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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  • The primaries turned out (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 08, 2018 at 10:22:26 PM EST
    To be sort of a snore.

    I got my deck garden planted today.

    Tomatoes, cucumbers, three kinds of peppers, zucchini and squash.

    All in containers on the deck safely away from the deer, rabbits and Groucho the groundhog.

    My groundhog climbs on my (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 08, 2018 at 10:36:24 PM EST
    Deck and dismantles my potted tomatoes. Everything is behind temp dog fence. I bought those big garden container planters for cukes and zucchini. They really took off. If it wasn't for the darned groundhog patrol, it would be gardening paradise here.

    Maryland tomatoes... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue May 08, 2018 at 10:45:08 PM EST
    are so tasty! The corn is not bad either - that's coming from an Iowa boy.

    Because of airborne mold (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 05:49:24 AM EST
    It was impossible to grow tomatoes in lower Alabama without fungicide of some kind. I was losing my healthy reason to grow. But it was the first time in a long time I didn't have a small garden.

    Other than some windy spells the weather has been perfect here for growing. I have to stay out of the garden center. Keep dragging plants and flowers home.

    Excited to see if we can really get a crop of English cucumbers and zucchini with these grow buckets. Wanted to try them for ages.


    have you been (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 08, 2018 at 10:46:43 PM EST

    Love it (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 09:46:12 AM EST
    An original story we haven't seen done to death, great writing and acting. A real pleasure to see Sandra Oh back on TV. I love looking at her face in those scenes with the assassin, played by Jody Comer (sp?) is is also fantastic, maybe even better.

    Not yet (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 05:53:46 AM EST
    We are all watching The Terror. It has been great for making some family time because it involves history, an incredible story, and exceptional actors. There is something for everyone.

    I got to the Homeland final last week, and I was so upset by it I didn't even want to talk about it. Trump is really getting to me.


    So good (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 06:58:34 AM EST
    You will like it

    We have a little free time today (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 10:24:11 AM EST
    Try to entice my husband with it. They casted his foot at Walter Reed on Friday. But the cast is very poorly padded and it is chewing up his shin, so he had to take a day off from fighting his way into the beltway and out.

    Because he tore his achilles he could not do a stress test for his physical, they taped this heart monitor on him to instead and he's supposed to push the button if he feels dizzy or funny. He's so freakin grumpy going through this I keep telling him to push the button, you're having palpitations.


    Oh for crying out loud (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Zorba on Wed May 09, 2018 at 12:41:34 PM EST
    I get chemically stress tested because with my arthritis I can't do the treadmill (although I told them if they can figure out a way to test my heart when I'm in the pool, I can swim- they said, not).
    I didn't have to press any buttons.  They had me hooked up to an EKG and some kind of imaging, as well as taking echocardiograms before and after.
    He can't get this done in the military?
    I mean, I had had a heart monitor, too, for two weeks, and you make note of any unusual things going on, as well.  But it does not take the place of a chemical stress test if he can't do a treadmill one.  It's all in addition to.
    Email me and I can recommend my cardiologist, who was trained at the Cleveland Clinic.  (This assumes the military would pay for it, which is not a given, I would guess.)

    I just saw this (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 02:27:23 PM EST
    Thank you so much. I know that you know everyone at the top of their field here. I will email you tonight.

    He will probably end up (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 02:29:50 PM EST
    With a primary insurance other than Tricare until he is 65. But you can request specific physicians too and sometimes win the debate with Teicare.

    A tweeter shared that getting (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 10:39:03 AM EST
    Avenatti tweet notifications is satisfying, so I enabled them. She's right. And Avenatti wants to know why Treasury has not shared with the public the three Suspicious Activity Reports they have on the Cohen LLC account.

    Howdy, what upset you about (none / 0) (#26)
    by MKS on Wed May 09, 2018 at 04:27:39 PM EST
    Homeland finale?  Keane?       .

    I liked it (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 04:28:38 PM EST
    I was not upset.  

    I don't think Groucho (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 08, 2018 at 10:49:34 PM EST
    Will come on the deck.  It's 10 feet off the ground.  He would have to come up in the back and go all the way around the house

    But he is a pretty bold little fker.


    Mine is bold as brass too (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 10:28:19 AM EST
    According to my neighbor it lives under our deck. Our deck is not elevated. Four stairs to the yard. But he/she was fine climbing onto the deck chairs and then onto the patio table to get at the potted tomatoes.

    Raccoons are the worst (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Wed May 09, 2018 at 10:52:46 AM EST
    extremely resourceful and oppurtunistic and known to let nothing go to waste.

    Consider yourselves lucky if they don't show up.


    I have not seen one in the neighborhood (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 01:08:15 PM EST
    But there are sightings on the neighborhood app I use.

    If you can find the groundhog hole/holes (none / 0) (#18)
    by Zorba on Wed May 09, 2018 at 12:50:53 PM EST
    And can acquire some dry ice (carbon dioxide), throw the dry ice down the groundhog holes.  It will displace the oxygen, he will go to "sleep" and never wake up.  We have done this a few times.
    Alternatively, Son Zorba can come over there with a shotgun and shoot it, but it's really not legal in neighborhoods and close to houses.
    I hate groundhogs.  It's not just that they eat our garden, I could stand that, it's mainly because their holes kill and maim farmers driving their tractors.  Yes, tractor tires have been known to lurch into a groundhog hole, upending the tractor, and severely injuring or killing whoever is driving the tractor.
    So groundhogs are the enemy, as far as I'm concerned.  It's them or us.

    I can see that though (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 02:44:25 PM EST
    Their burrows are so much larger than prairie dogs, probably leave a large subsidence that collapses.

    Its burrow is under the lowest part of the deck. Really hard to get to.


    I like Groucho (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 03:55:51 PM EST
    I leave food for him.  I have no tractor.  I know people who have the same feelings about groundhogs.  I think be is cute.  I know where he lives.  I piled brush over it to protect him.

    Save the groundhogs.


    No offense to farmers (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 04:27:21 PM EST
    this is Grouchos home

    It is about 8 ft outside my yard.  There will never be a tractor on this hill.  Groucho has probably never seen a tractor

    He sometimes sits on the roof of his home and heckles my dogs.  It drives them nuts and cracks me up.  

    He would ravage any veggies I out in my backyard, but so would the rabbits and deer.  Which is why I put them on the deck.

    Groucho is my pal.  No dry ice required.


    So, you don't seem to care (none / 0) (#31)
    by Zorba on Wed May 09, 2018 at 06:32:10 PM EST
    If Mr. Zorba, Son Zorba, or I get killed driving our tractor because of a groundhog burrow.
    Hmmpph.  Some friend you are!
    Kill the groundhogs!

    Groucho (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 06:48:47 PM EST
    Is unlikely to tunnel to MD.

    But I do get it.  My brother in law sat on their deck for a day and a night with a shot gun waiting for the one raiding their garden.  No sh!t.
    He finally got him.


    Electric fencing (none / 0) (#39)
    by Zorba on Thu May 10, 2018 at 09:08:52 AM EST
    around our garden keeps out the deer, and generally keeps out the groundhogs.  They're low to the ground, but they must brush against the lower strand of the electric fence enough that it convinces them to stay out.  We haven't had much problem with groundhogs in the garden since we started using electric fencing.
    No, it's the concern about people driving tractors and getting killed because of groundhog burrows that causes us to kill the groundhogs.  Kill or be killed, we figure.  Self defense.

    Not judging (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:27:38 AM EST

    We call it (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Zorba on Thu May 10, 2018 at 11:48:07 AM EST
    "Stand your ground."   😆

    Stand your (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 04:57:05 PM EST

    But as POLITICO says (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 05:06:39 PM EST
    A snore is not necessarily a bad thing in these "interesting" times.

    A Bad Night For Crazy
    Sanity won on Tuesday night. Maybe voters are tired of all the drama?


    If it's true that some punchlines practically writes themselves, then what is this particular punchline?



    I'm glad Bunni found work (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 06:55:18 AM EST
    After the drag circuit

    Ok folks (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:38:32 AM EST
    ...you love her a lot cause there is a LOT to love, give it up for BUNNI POUNDER,

    cause you KNOW she does.


    Okay, that calls for ... (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 10, 2018 at 08:02:19 PM EST
    I like her website's URL, ... (none / 0) (#75)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:55:32 PM EST
    ... bunnipoundsassoc.com, because they managed to incorporate "Bunni Pounds A$$."

    My favorite cousin (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 11:11:11 AM EST
    Is always doing some cool and/or odd artsy crafty thing.  Her latest thing is painting mandelas on found river rocks.  I asked her to send me one.

    she sent me 4

    I think they are very cool.

    The largest is between the size of a saucer and a plate.

    Those are beautiful (none / 0) (#146)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:08:13 AM EST
    I can barely do the mandalas in my adult coloring book. For an activity that was supposed to relieve stress, it is very stressful when you are bad at it.

    Jeralyn please don't get mad but (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 08:01:55 AM EST
    Zorba mentioned treadmills and I was wondering about your status on the Peloton.  Please don't give up it is never too late.

    I haven't given up (none / 0) (#99)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 11, 2018 at 12:39:52 AM EST
    I still love it. I fractured a rib and one of my vertebrae in mid-February and had to lay off but I just started again last week. Thanks for the encouragement -- I need it!

    Stormy Daniels is performing (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by fishcamp on Thu May 10, 2018 at 11:32:24 AM EST
    at a famous all nude strip club in Miami over Memorial Day for two nights.  Those tickets to see are probably quite expensive.

    I've never understood the appeal of strip clubs (none / 0) (#46)
    by McBain on Thu May 10, 2018 at 11:54:33 AM EST
    I find them depressing.  I know some consider pole dancing an art and they even have big competitions with some amazing female athletes but it's still looks really stupid to me.  

    Really? (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 01:06:13 PM EST
    I guess me, from the fringe of the military gate, knew that 3 days after her first interview the Make America Horney Again tour was putting on its first show hahahaha

    And I still have a liking for Stormy. In the modern era of evangelicals making up the porn consuming base, a girl's gotta make a living, and a retirement, and have a healthcare savings account too!!!!

    Michael Cohen can't be the only American getting paid around here. Get real. We all have to retire too, and have enough money to get old and die :)


    Plus, Stormy Daniels is also ... (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:12:20 PM EST
    ... an accomplished equestrian, who competes under her real name Stephanie Clifford. That's a rather expensive sideline / hobby, and she owns seven horses - and horses used in such competitions aren't cheap to maintain.

    fwiw, I decided to look up her stats. (none / 0) (#109)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 11, 2018 at 12:57:01 PM EST
    Accomplished equestrian?

    Well, it turns out there are quite a number of levels of competition. Over the past couple years she has participated in the first 2 or 3 levels and has done quite well in some events and not so well in some others.

    Springsteen's daughter is someone I'd describe as an accomplished equestrian.

    Though the description might not make nearly as interesting a story line, Mrs. Daniels rides very well; I believe she took first place in this competition,  and she would be more fairly described as a promising upcoming competitor, imo.


    Daniels competes in eventing, which (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Anne on Fri May 11, 2018 at 02:05:34 PM EST
    comprises dressage, cross-country and show jumping.

    It is one of the toughest equestrian categories, among some of the best riders - and horses - around.

    That she is making the leaderboard at all is, actually, quite an accomplishment.


    She competes in the beginning levels, (none / 0) (#114)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 11, 2018 at 02:31:25 PM EST
    which is no knock on her as that's where everyone starts.

    Pretty much the definition of a promising upcoming competitor.


    Indeed, no knock on her. (none / 0) (#115)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 11, 2018 at 02:49:32 PM EST
     Trump seemed to enjoy horsing around with her at monetary costs of $130,000 just to put a hoof in mouth. Sounds like she is a pro in that department.

    Heh. Very accomplished indeed. (none / 0) (#116)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 11, 2018 at 02:56:20 PM EST
    Ann Romney... (none / 0) (#135)
    by desertswine on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:38:34 PM EST
    famously took up dressage because it helped her fight the effects of multiple sclerosis.  She became quite good at it, as I recall.

    The "Make America Horny Again'' tour. (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu May 10, 2018 at 12:50:56 PM EST

    Rudy (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 10, 2018 at 01:32:50 PM EST
    I've been "woke" (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 02:24:29 PM EST
    To the heavy the influence of "fame" (and also infamy).

    I could not believe it when Jeralyn posted the boards that Jared and Ivanka sat on. Neither one of them is of above average intelligence.

    And Rudy was part of a law firm purely for optics. His legal skills grossly deteriorated if he ever even possessed them at all.


    Believe it or not, Rudy Giuliani ... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 10, 2018 at 06:01:50 PM EST
    ... once enjoyed a rather fierce reputation as a trial lawyer back in the day. But I doubt that he's set foot in a courtroom trial as either a prosecuting attorney or a defense counsel in well over 30 years. And as they say, if you don't use it, you lose it.

    I (none / 0) (#79)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 10, 2018 at 06:17:42 PM EST
    have heard several people who worked closely with him that he is definitely not the man he used to be.

    Some hint a dementia, I lean towards madness caused by his lust for power and the tRump effect. He threw away all his intellectual honesty and logical reasoning just to stand close to the oval office,
    and like a Shakespearean character he is slipping into lunacy.  


    Starbucks to allow everyone to use their (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by McBain on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:26:12 PM EST

    "We don't want to become a public bathroom, but we're going to make the right decision 100% of the time and give people the key, because we don't want anyone at Starbucks to feel as if we are not giving access to you to the bathroom because you are less than," Starbucks chairman Howard Schultz said on Thursday at the Atlantic Council. "We want you to be more than."

    Pretty sure this new policy is going to be abused.

    We have a -- kind of a loose policy [that] you should be able to use the bathroom if you buy something," Schultz said. "And it's really the judgment of the manager. And in this particular case, she asked the gentleman: Are you a customer? And he said, no. And they go into a conversation. And one thing led to another. And she made a terrible decision to call the police."

    Still not convinced that was the manager's fault.

    Of course not (5.00 / 3) (#128)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:38:47 PM EST
    You set the standard so high, that you will never see merit to claims of racism.  

    You have stated one of your reasons you post here is to "educate" the rest of us.  I think your are really just trolling.


    My standards are definitely higher (1.00 / 1) (#132)
    by McBain on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:10:00 PM EST
    than most in here.  I'm very proud of that.  It's much easier to make quick judgements and throw insults than it is to wait for facts/evidence/both sides of a story to come out.  

    But, see, you do draw all (5.00 / 5) (#134)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:28:01 PM EST
    kinds of quick judgments.   You just don't label them as such.  You swallow conservative dogma whole and dish it out here without any hint of irony.

    The "higher standard" you invoke only goes one way--in favor of white conservatives.


    Can you cite some examples? (none / 0) (#138)
    by McBain on Fri May 11, 2018 at 06:53:50 PM EST
    I'm not perfect but I often feel like I'm more liberal than most in here when it comes to tolerating different opinions.  

    Yours is a pointless discussion. All your doe-eyed protestations to the contrary, I'd offer odds of better than even that you know exactly what you're doing here. You clearly enjoy baiting people with right-wing talking points.

    Anything that scares people in here (2.33 / 3) (#162)
    by McBain on Sat May 12, 2018 at 04:07:34 PM EST
    becomes right wing talking points, conservative dogma or some other knee jerk catch phrase.  How do you guys function in the real world? Don't you have friends, family, co workers with different points of view?

    What I enjoy is intelligent debate, often about controversial topics... especially ones the media gets wrong.   If that's not your thing, then butt out.  


    How (5.00 / 4) (#166)
    by FlJoe on Sat May 12, 2018 at 06:48:01 PM EST
    do you function when you are not in you fantasy land populated with strawmen, false equivalence and what about-ism? The only thing that scares me is that intelligent people like yourself twist themselves into fact free illogical pretzels trying to pretend that the Republican party and their right wing enablers have not become morally bankrupt.

    Charles Bukowski (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 06:52:41 PM EST
    The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

    Your snarc of McBain (none / 0) (#169)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:22:40 PM EST
    Let's talk this out! Your reply to McBain is exactly the same as a recent post directed toward me. Where is the strawman? Is this a generic boiler-plate response when you're irritated?  
    by FlJoe
    do you function when you are not in you fantasy land populated with strawmen, false equivalence and what about-ism?

    I post stupid things ALL THE TIME and I know that. Usually I apologize unless I'm defensive because someone insulted me. Everyone knows that I'm often researching many of these issues and topics for the first time. That's my excuse. What's yours?

    It seems to me that USUALLY you post reasonable well-thought comments for discussion but it SEEMS THAT you have recently gotten lazy and are simply posting condescending and dismissive comments. Am I wrong?


    What fantasy land are you talking about? (none / 0) (#172)
    by McBain on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:40:10 PM EST
    I live in a very liberal part of the world with
    people of different races, cultures and sometimes opinions.  Some my personal views/opinions are liberal....religion, death penalty/prison sentences.

    people like yourself twist themselves into fact free illogical pretzels

    Can you give some examples?  I think it's usually the other way around.  I point out facts or point out when we don't know the important facts yet.  

    I don't have any allegiance to the Republican Party. I have voted for some of the recent Democrat presidential candidates. I think that's what scares people the most.  You can't put me in one particular box or category.  


    Excuse me (5.00 / 5) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:52:27 PM EST
    But I really just have to say if you think people are "scared" of you that would be the fantasy land being referenced.

    From (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by FlJoe on Sat May 12, 2018 at 08:46:10 PM EST
    the other day, You
    As for Trump being a cyber bully, I think there's some truth to that but he knows how to play the game.  He knows the reaction to what he says is usually going to be over the top and he ends up looking good in the eyes of his base.  

    Funny how you grudgingly accept that there is "some" evidence tRump is a bully and then turn around and tell us how good he is at...all in the paragrah!


    My point about Trump is his critics make him the underdog.  I think it's often by his design.
    Bully or underdog? Pretzel-like, you seem to be arguing with yourself here, seemingly to deflect criticism of tRump.

    Both (none / 0) (#181)
    by McBain on Sat May 12, 2018 at 08:56:39 PM EST
    When Trump does his name calling game ...Little Marco...Crooked Hilary... he starts of as the bully.

    When the media overreacts, spends a ridiculous amount of time on negative coverage and uses misleading polls to suggest he has no chance of winning, he becomes the underdog.

    The man knows how to use the media to his advantage.  I can't tell how many people know that are just playing along to get ratings, make money and how many are being played.  


    Laughable and transparent (5.00 / 3) (#187)
    by Yman on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:21:37 PM EST
    When the media overreacts, spends a ridiculous amount of time on negative coverage and uses misleading polls to suggest he has no chance of winning, he becomes the underdog.

    The media - and anyone with a triple digit IS - isn't "overreacting" to Trump's ignorance, bigotry and bullying.  There IS no "overreacting" to a man who mocks disabled people, ridicules war heroes, insults good star parents, bullies women with sexist comments (after bragging about sexually assaulting them), defends white nationalists and Nazis, etc, etc. etc.  Your repeated attempts to blame "the media" for Trumps ridiculous behavior and paint him as a victim is not only laughably transparent, but sophomoric.  The only people who are worse than him are his cowardly, craven supporters who attempt to defend him with this nonsense, either because they are foolish enough to believe any intelligent person will buy that garbage, or because they themselves are stupid enough to actually believe it.

    BTW - The "misleading polls" claim is a silly lie, but you already knew that.


    Only (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by FlJoe on Sun May 13, 2018 at 05:30:35 AM EST
    in the fantasy world of the deplorables, can tRump  exist simultaneously as a bully and a victim, and of course it's all the fault of the media.

    You claim to not be from that world, but you sure are fluent in their language.


    You do this time and again, McBain. (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:30:09 PM EST
    "What do you mean? Can you cite some examples?" You've said that so often that it's become shtick, and it gets really predictable and tiresome.

    Have a nice evening.


    Too bad (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by McBain on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:51:17 PM EST
    You don't have to like it, but from time to time, I'm going to stick up for myself when I believe someone is making a false claim.

    As for having a nice evening... thank you.  I'm going to be do my best.  My girlfriend is out of town for a few days, which means I have to take care the dogs myself.. mostly fun. I'm either going to watch a movie or get caught up on The Walking Dead.  Anyone see any decent Netflix movies lately?    



    Netflix films? (none / 0) (#182)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 09:03:56 PM EST
    I prefer long-form.

    My favorite Netflix films (ordered on my assumption of what you might enjoy):

    What Happened to Monday (SciFi)
    The End of the FxxxING World - I ❤️ this film.
    Kill Command (SciFi)
    Great Gilly Hopkins
    Sadie's Last Day on Earth
    Natascha Kampuchea: The Whole Story
    Sun Choke

    Also consider:
    Alias Grace (mini-series of 6 episodes)


    Jesus Christ!!! (none / 0) (#173)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:45:34 PM EST
    McBain posted `Starbucks to allow everyone to use their restrooms.'

    I'm going out tonight. I'll ask my friends here in the gay, weird, alternative, progressive, socialist, Bernista section of Seattle what they think about Starbucks letting anyone use the restroom. Not that my friends frequent Starbucks.

    I dunno.

    I imagine some will say, `I don't give a fvck' and the others will say, `Starbucks is doomed.' McBain's post is chitchat for discussion. How can people on this forum start arguments over this topic? It makes no sense.


    I think the arguments started because (none / 0) (#177)
    by McBain on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:56:25 PM EST
    I dared to suggest the narrative of the Starbucks manager making a bad decision based on race hasn't been proven yet.

    I don't know if the new bathroom policy will be a big deal. I do know that people aren't going to give up their caffeine and sugar addictions easily.


    This is true (1.00 / 2) (#163)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 05:08:18 PM EST
    On this forum, a number of people are quick to call anyone a `troll' or `Russian troll' or accuse someone of espousing right-wing talking points - when they are not berating you for being a `Bernie-bro.'

    Really, any opinion on any topic not in-synch with the usual suspects gets one berated and called a troll. I remember being dismissed and insulted because I am against the `war on opioids.' I spend considerable time posting factual information on opioid addiction and overdose and listing serious recommendations from medical and social services but the hysterical people were having none of it.


    There are lots of other (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 06:58:35 PM EST

    Really how it works (1.00 / 2) (#164)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 05:44:38 PM EST
    If there is a polite and reasonable discussion with differing viewpoints occurring on this forum: one or more of the usual suspects will post his opinion as the correct answer - if you don't agree you're stupid and a troll - and if you continue to have a different viewpoint the person will attempt to bait you into an argument with additional personal insults.

    Coffeeshop restrooms (none / 0) (#155)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 01:14:19 PM EST
    It sounds like Starbucks is locking the doors to the restrooms in all their stores nationwide and requiring customers and non-customers to ask for the key. Hardly seems like a free-for-all.

    As I understanding it, originality all Starbucks restrooms were unlocked but later Starbucks corporate let store managers set the policy for their store. This resulted in urban stores locking the doors to the restrooms (Starbucks locks up--really; 2015) but stores in the nicest suburbs did not. I have been to Starbucks where the restrooms were not locked.

    I know a coffeeshop in the artist-warehouse district of Seattle with an unlocked bathroom that is used as a general washroom and laundry facility. Nobody seems to care. But the customers are all struggling, alternative, and in their twenties.

    The Starbucks closest to me often has young homeless street people sitting or standing outside. There is an awning that shields from the rain. Sometimes there are people smoking crack or doing other drugs in front of that Starbucks. The clientele however, are mostly techies and I've never seen a street person inside. Maybe that will change. I don't think I care.


    Well, it looks (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 11, 2018 at 07:25:16 PM EST
    like another money laundering operation Cohen was running has been exposed. Their cover in Korean food and Cohen appears to have been laundering money through this company since there were a bunch of money transfers to this "Korean food" company from his LLC that we already know about.

    Google this (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:50:17 AM EST
    bureau of educational and cultural affairs address newYork
    See their new address - Kushner's building in NY. How can this be allowed? S is the stuff that makes my blood boil most.

    I just read this too (none / 0) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:58:02 AM EST
    Why won't White House (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by MKS on Sat May 12, 2018 at 02:54:31 PM EST
    repudiate the comment that "he is dying anyway?"

    Because the factotum that said it heard first from the Cheeto.

    ...  at the sunset of Sen. John McCain's life, the Beltway press corps' praise of his long record of public service to his country is in many ways commendable. But that said, was it really necessary for the Washington Post's Dana Milbank to hoist himself by his own hyperbole yesterday?

    Washington Post | May 11, 2018
    John McCain is the single greatest political leader of our time - "McCain is still with us, and this is no obituary. But as Trump loyalists besmirch this good man, I thought I would put in writing what I have often thought over the years: John McCain is the single greatest political leader of our time. He is, in a way, not of our time, for his creed -- country before self -- is unfamiliar to many who serve in office and utterly foreign to the man in charge."

    At best, this sort of unctuous praise does Sen. McCain a disservice, by pointedly ignoring his most obvious flaws as a politician, particularly his egotistical penchant for constantly seeking the public limelight. Suffice to say that at his core being, John McCain was fundamentally a good and decent man who loved his country and tried to do his best, and leave it at that. There's really no good reason to gratuitously flatter anyone into the grave. History will render its own judgment of us in good time, as it always does.



    but, it (none / 0) (#191)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 13, 2018 at 12:54:21 PM EST
    Was just a joke they say. Why cannot democrats take a good joke like republicans did with Michelle wolf.

    Because they don't give a rat's.. (none / 0) (#194)
    by desertswine on Sun May 13, 2018 at 04:10:56 PM EST
    a** if people die;  ie. the chip program, health insurance, etc.

    For eight long years between 1983 and 1991, Gov. Deukmejian governed with his finger constantly held up in the air to gauge the political winds. His tough-on-crime shtick foreshadowed the rise of the state's prison industrial complex, and he resolutely opposed bilingual education in California public schools, even in the face of a rapidly diversifying population. He may have meant well, but his brand of Republicanism generally retarded the scene, and is considered rather quaint and obsolete by his party's current double live gonzo crackpot standards.

    In the late '80s (none / 0) (#33)
    by Repack Rider on Wed May 09, 2018 at 07:35:56 PM EST
    I was working for a bicycle magazine, and I was at a big bike race in California. Mr. Deukmejian showed up and addressed the crowd.

    In my article for the magazine I pointed out that the crowd there had no interest whatever in political platitudes.  They were there for the bike races.  The crowd had been hijacked by the governor who saw a microphone and people who didn't have the option of leaving.

    Got some hate mail for that.


    I liked Deukmejian (none / 0) (#105)
    by Chuck0 on Fri May 11, 2018 at 09:39:36 AM EST
    for one reason only. He repeatedly refused to sign Floyd's helmet law bill for motorcyclists. We were free until Pete (Mayor Pete) Wilson screwed us over in CA. He didn't a cr*p about safety. He just hated bikers.

    Wait, what? (none / 0) (#107)
    by Zorba on Fri May 11, 2018 at 11:58:58 AM EST
    Who was pro-helmet and who was anti?
    I'm a bit confused here.

    Deukmejian pro-choice... (none / 0) (#110)
    by kdog on Fri May 11, 2018 at 12:57:47 PM EST
    on helmets, Wilson anti-choice.

    Well, while I can (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Zorba on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:03:35 PM EST
    understand why some people don't want to be "forced" to wear helmets, I don't agree with it.
    OTOH, if they want to dispense with helmet wearing, you are arrogant if you expect us taxpayers to pick up the medical costs that are not paid for by your insurance, and if you are so brain damaged that you need nursing home care, you're even more arrogant to expect us to pay for your Medicaid.
    Yes, that's mean of me, and I probably don't even totally mean it, but I also don't have a whole heck of a lot of sympathy for those who refuse to follow safety rules, yet expect society to pay for their stupid mistakes, especially when it's so easy to follow such safety rules as wearing a helmet.  Or using a seatbelt.

    The ne of my brothers, a physician (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Towanda on Fri May 11, 2018 at 08:25:35 PM EST
    used to ride his motorcycle to his residency in an ER. This was before helmet laws.

    Well, he rode his cycle for the first few days of his residency. In only those few days, he saw injuries to cyclists so horrifying that he sold his cycle and took the bus for the rest of his residency.

    (And since then, in his practice, he says that he has seen more than sufficient evidence that helmets may save lives but still are not enough to prevent brain damage and other major injuries that are life-changing.)


    And others (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by linea on Fri May 11, 2018 at 08:43:51 PM EST
    It's not just the motorcyclist's head that is at risk. If helmets are not mandated, then some motorcycle owner's young daughter or the neighbor's young son will find themselves on the back seat of a motorcycle without a helmet and end up getting severely injured.

    I disagree that `arrogant' people `who refuse to follow safety rules' should be denied medical care or residential care. I'm also opposed to the current trend of a work requirement for Medicaid eligibility too.


    That's the same or similar (none / 0) (#170)
    by Chuck0 on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:28:11 PM EST
    argument people make about abortion, what you can buy with your food stamps, or what your recreational drug of choice is. But, but, but it's MY tax dollars. I don't believe I have the right to tell anyone who can or cannot have an abortion, who you can marry or love, what you smoke or what foodstuffs you use SNAP benefits for (with my tax dollars). I expect the same consideration with regard to my CHOICE to ride with or without a helmet.

    To some degree, it's moot. I no longer ride a motorcycle. However, I rode 250,000 plus miles on two wheels all over the US, Canada and Mexico. Most with no helmet. Somehow what's IN my head kept me more alive than something strapped to it. I do support others right to make this choice to this day.


    What kind of bike do you ride? (none / 0) (#111)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 11, 2018 at 01:06:02 PM EST
    I no longer ride. (none / 0) (#112)
    by Chuck0 on Fri May 11, 2018 at 01:33:33 PM EST
    Too many health issues and surgeries to my right leg. No longer felt safe. My legs don't work fast enough to react on the brake pedal and/or clutch.

    Over 30 years I owned a BMW and 3 different Harley Davidsons. I rode a 1973 Shovelhead to Alaska, from Fort Worth, TX back in 1995. Rode to San Diego first, then up the entire coast to Bellingham, Washington. Took the Alaska marine hwy to Haines. Rode all the way back via the entire length of the Alcan hwy. That was a 3 1/2 month long adventure.

    I have ridden a motorcycle in every state except Hawaii, Maine and N. Dakota.


    Right on. (none / 0) (#117)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 11, 2018 at 03:08:32 PM EST
    I've never ridden w/o a helmet so the thought of doing so is completely foreign to me.

    Next Tuesday (none / 0) (#10)
    by Peter G on Wed May 09, 2018 at 08:44:38 AM EST
    The very interesting Pennsylvania primary (interesting to me, at least).

    The Mango v Wagner attacks (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Chuck0 on Wed May 09, 2018 at 09:48:20 AM EST
    are getting brutal in my area. I kinda hope Wagner wins because I doubt he can win statewide. He's a real a-hole IMHO.

    Watched the Rachel Dolezal Netflix Documentary (none / 0) (#19)
    by McBain on Wed May 09, 2018 at 01:01:48 PM EST
    The Rachel Divide a few days ago.  She's the woman who was president of the Spokane Washington NAACP until she was outed for being pretending to be black.

    Hers is a very strange but interesting story that involves an unusual childhood that she alleges included physical abuse.  Critics have accused Dolezal of fabricating hate crime and using her adopted black children to prove her "blackness".  I can't tell if she's misunderstood, crazy or some kind of con artist. She still identifies herself as black.    

    Well, she could be (none / 0) (#20)
    by Zorba on Wed May 09, 2018 at 01:14:03 PM EST
    all three.
    I agree, it's a very odd story.

    I'll acknowledge that ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 09, 2018 at 10:12:17 PM EST
    ... Rachel Dolezal clearly has issues. That said, I have no interest in devoting any time to watching a documentary about her. Suffice to say that we have a lot of emotionally stunted and disturbed people in this country and anyway, I'm much more concerned about the one that's currently occupying the Oval Office.

    Preview clip (none / 0) (#35)
    by linea on Wed May 09, 2018 at 11:25:11 PM EST
    Short preview of the documentary: ebony.com

    We don't (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 09, 2018 at 02:09:46 PM EST
    have a primary here in GA until May 22nd and early voting next week.

    So, I walked by Dead Poets pub, upper (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Wed May 09, 2018 at 03:57:47 PM EST
    west side. To which the ever gallant Kdog escorted me a few years ago.

    Rock-n-Roll Never Forgets... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by kdog on Thu May 10, 2018 at 02:33:52 PM EST
    I'm not sure if that was last year or ten years ago...but I too have not forgotten.  Hope you had a Guinness for me!

    Just as I have returned from my Rocky Mountain High.  Jeralyn was, is, and has always been right...it must be a pleasure to live out there cuz it was damn sure pleasurable to visit.  I fell in love with Boulder and near points up the mountain...just breathtaking.  And Red Rocks exceeded the hype of my dreams...Phil Lesh and his Terrapin Family Band have upped their game since last summer...tighter and groovier.  Leftover Salmon are truly unique and no slouches...got two hours outta each and I was in heaven.  What a paradise to see a show.

    And needless to say I was the literal, not proverbial, kid in a candy store out in Free America. For my stay I selected Jah Kush as my sativa daytime strain and Ghost Ship as my indica nighttime strain...two thumbs double up.  And brought home edibles for everybody...I am a popular dude right now;)


    It's coming soon (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Thu May 10, 2018 at 02:39:53 PM EST
    I can't believe it's really happening.  The first recreational stores are set to open in July.

    The only downside I can think of is we are about to be overrun with New Yorkers ;)


    Don't worry... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Thu May 10, 2018 at 03:16:22 PM EST
    with any luck NJ is right behind and it's a shorter ride to Jersey. Nobody wants to buy weed from a Masshole anyway! ;)

    I didn't really truly believe till I walked in the storefront, showed the friendliest armed man I've ever seen my identification, and proceeded to the sales counter in heaven. So awesome.


    The source (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 05:11:46 PM EST
    In his new book, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) confirms that he gave a controversial dossier about President Trump to former FBI chief James Comey.

    "I agreed to receive a copy of what is now referred to as `the dossier,'" McCain writes in the upcoming book, titled The Restless Wave, referencing information compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. "I reviewed its contents. The allegations were disturbing, but I had no idea which if any were true. I could not independently verify any of it, and so I did what any American who cares about our nation's security should have done."

    LEGION (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 09, 2018 at 06:19:04 PM EST
    lots of good stuff right now.  But this Rolling Stone review is dead on.

    'Legion' Is the Most Mindblowing Show on TV Right Now

    David Haller - the FX show's lead, played by former Downton Abbey actor and candidate for one of the most pleasurably WTF career U-turns, Dan Stevens - is a mutant. As in, one of the Homo superior players in the endless X-Men saga; the show is, in the least strictest sense, an X-spinoff set in the X-universe owned by Fox. He can read minds, control minds, move things with his mind ... and has completely lost his mind. The series' first season was largely set inside a mental institution called the Clockworks Psychiatric Hospital, where he resided with, among others, a young female mutant named Syd Barrett. (There are a lot of references in this show. So. Many. References.) At the end of its initial eight-episode run, a number of plot strands were tied up, others were left swinging low and wide and our hero had been zapped up by a flying orb and mysteriously shuttled away. You know, typical Peak TV season-finale stuff.


    If Legion is indeed a tragedy, as Hawley has emphasized in his recent press interviews, then this episode seems to underline the concept in bold strokes. You are free to make the choices you make, and you may still be cursed no matter what. This is not an uplifting, or even unique statement per se. But to see it played out in such a non point-A-to-point-B fashion, along with a particularly gruesome set piece involving a man being folded like origami and slightly comic tangent involving mind-reading during a corporate merger (and, sigh, a blatant Clockwork Orange hat tip), is to feel like the journey means as much as the destination. There are better shows on TV at the moment, more profound dramas, more exciting thrillers, more existential headscratchers. It's not a for-everyone jam.  But there may not be a less predictable, more brainteasing pop series on at the moment than Hawley's subversive superhero whatsit right now, or one more prone to cause such giddiness whenever a new episode drops. You genuinely do not know where this thing is going to go next, and you can't wait to turn in. It's enough to make you want to get up and dance

    And the music is great

    It is a challenge (none / 0) (#48)
    by Steve13209 on Thu May 10, 2018 at 12:13:55 PM EST
    I have enjoyed the trip so far, but my wife is about ready to drop out. We both think it's a little like watching "24"...it's an exciting ride, but when you are done, it doesn't seem like anything has really been resolved.

    I find myself watching (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 04:55:29 PM EST
    And thinking "holy sh!t, this is a tv show."

    As in, it's not a 70s midnight movie.


    You know (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:36:47 AM EST
    The more we learn about Cohen's adventures and the more I hear bobbelheads say Mueller would not have given his case to the SDNY if it was related to collusion and Trump, the more I think it might be exactly the opposite.

    No doubt Mueller has his hands full but I think it's possible Cohen is an insurance policy.  Donald can fire the entire justice dept.  It won't stop the SDNY.

    I don't think it is a coincidence Trumpets are more worried about the Cohen case than anything.

    Just my opinion dontcha know.

    And, one of those (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 10, 2018 at 12:21:14 PM EST
    under-reported adventures of Cohen is that he was RNC Deputy Finance Chair.  The next step is to watch for more reporting on funneling of Russian oligarch/Putin money into Republican senate campaigns, including Mitch McConnell.    

    I'll give you a head's up. (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 10, 2018 at 07:24:00 PM EST
    I first posted Ruth May's original article from the Dallas Morning News on the Russian money trail here at TL late last summer, and for anyone who's interested in the role Russia played in our elections, her updated article from Dec. 15, 2017 bears some serious attention.

    I'm still surprised that Ruth May's article hasn't received more airplay on MSNBC, because it's a virtual road map for Russian money being funneled into various GOP campaign committees in 2016. Back east on the cable news shows, pundits wonder aloud why Congress isn't very interested in investigating Russian interference. Meanwhile, down in Dallas:

    "An example is Len Blavatnik, a dual U.S.-U.K. citizen and one of the largest donors to GOP political action committees in the 2015-16 election cycle. Blavatnik's family emigrated to the U.S. in the late '70s from the U.S.S.R. and he returned to Russia when the Soviet Union began to collapse in the late '80s.

    "Data from the Federal Election Commission show that Blavatnik's campaign contributions dating back to 2009-10 were fairly balanced across party lines and relatively modest for a billionaire. During that season he contributed $53,400. His contributions increased to $135,552 in 2011-12 and to $273,600 in 2013-14, still bipartisan.

    "In 2015-16, everything changed. Blavatnik's political contributions soared and made a hard right turn as he pumped $6.35 million into GOP political action committees, with millions of dollars going to top Republican leaders including Sens. Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham."

    As Ruth May shows us, the likely reason congressional Republicans aren't all that interested in investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election is because it wasn't just Trump whom the Russians were helping.



    And Devin Nunes (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 04:53:30 PM EST
    I am (none / 0) (#43)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 10, 2018 at 11:14:40 AM EST
    also thinking about it being an insurance policy and also another team being able to concentrate on one of the multitude of avenues that are needed to be taken.

    I'm also wondering if Mueller had a bit of ulterior motive in allowing the more leak prone SDNY to handle this almost insuring that the sketchy behavior of Cohen would become public knowledge, without having his team start leaking.


    Well, that (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 10, 2018 at 01:56:24 PM EST
    or as everyone knows the NY FBI office leaks like a sieve.

    Trump offered John McEnroe $1 million (none / 0) (#47)
    by McBain on Thu May 10, 2018 at 11:58:31 AM EST
    to play one of the Williams sisters years ago.

    "I was calling a match and suddenly I get this envelope, and it's from Donald Trump, who is promoter galore. ... So he wrote me a letter, it went, 'Dear John, I want to offer you $1 million to play either Serena or Venus."

    McEnroe turned down the offer, saying he never had the desire to play a woman in a match, though he believed at the time that he could have beaten either woman, noting that he was once the No. 1 player in the world.

    As silly as this match would have been, I would have probably tuned in for it.  I was a big McEnroe fan back in the day.  

    The old tennis days (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Steve13209 on Thu May 10, 2018 at 12:18:05 PM EST
    McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, Borg, Nastase. So many epic final matches in the 1970s and 1980s.

    I'm partial to that era because (none / 0) (#51)
    by McBain on Thu May 10, 2018 at 12:32:07 PM EST
    the racquet technology wasn't as advanced as today.  Players like McEnroe used finesse and a serve and volley game.  Today it's too much baseline to baseline power for my taste.

    Mats Wilander too (none / 0) (#64)
    by MKS on Thu May 10, 2018 at 03:32:28 PM EST
    Gutsy player.  After he won one match point that the other player complained about not getting a right call from a line judge, Wilander insisted that the point be re-played, and he beat the guy again.

    One of my cousins (none / 0) (#65)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 03:57:46 PM EST
    Nancy Stafford went to high school with Chrissy.  Still remember going to her house for dinner and her Mom showing off the Wimbledon crystal.  She was the model for women's tennis in terms of great PR.  Not to mention the dominant woman in pro tennis for many years.

    But I think her good friend Martina Navratilova might take issue with your statement that Ms. Evert was "the dominant woman in pro tennis for many years."

    In the 1970s and '80s, the Evert-Navratilova rivalry was intense, and is still considered one of the truly great personal rivalries in the history of pro tennis in either the men's or women's game. The fact that they were also such great friends off-court used to flummox the pundits and TV analysts. (They were also frequent doubles partners in major tourneys.)

    Evert held the upper hand in between 1976 and 1981, but Navratilova eventually overtook and dominated her throughout the 1980s for an eventual 43-37 overall career advantage in their rivalry, including her 14-match win streak against Evert between 1982 and 1984.

    But that said, Chris Evert did hold the women's No. 1 ranking for five consecutive years from 1974 to 1978, and like Rafael Nadal today, Evert certainly excelled on the clay courts, which include winning seven French Open singles titles in a 12-year period (1974-86). That record was broken by Nadal just a few years ago.

    And as one of Evert's broadcast partners noted during last year's U.S. Open telecast, she won the singles title at the final U.S. Open ever played at Forest Hills in 1977, and then won the very first singles title the following year at the tournament's present site in Flushing Meadow. She was a very special player in women's tennis, and is still one of its most beloved.



    McEnroe is still playing in the masters (none / 0) (#55)
    by fishcamp on Thu May 10, 2018 at 01:08:54 PM EST
    and is using the new powerful racquets.  The clay tournaments are hopping around Europe  on their way to Paris for that 2,000 point $3,000,000 + first place grand slam tournament.  They are live from Madrid at six in the morning this week.  Nadal  is looking great while Djokovich is not.  I'm not either.

    Another setback for Muller (none / 0) (#66)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 04:21:51 PM EST
    in the Russian troll farm case.  Most of the analysis I have seen is that Muller never expected those indicted to play along.  Instead their counsel has started discovery and is demanding a speedy trial.  In return Muller's underlings are claiming the Russians were not properly served.  Seems the judge is not buying that.  What is the over/under that Muller will wind up dropping the troll farm case to avoid discovery.

    He will almost certainly avoid (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 04:52:06 PM EST
    The discovery they are seeking.  There is no way in this life they will  ever get the sweeping extensive info that basically is all US covert operations since 1947.

    I have heard Mueller may be able to avoid that without dropping the case because it's such a ridiculously broad request

    It hardly matters it seems to me.  It's not like they are going to report for sentencing.  The point has been made.

    It's hard for me to believe a guy like Mueller doesn't have a game plan for this option.


    Mueller (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:20:41 PM EST
    doesn't bluff, he's holding good cards and he knows he will eventually have show all of them.

    Strategically this is somewhat of a setback as to the timing but tactically he will be fine. I think most of the evidence is going to be computer meta data, bank records, email chains and such, maybe some intercepted calls from over a year ago typical stuff that the Russians probably have figured out.

    In the end Mueller is going to call any bet and show only the cards he needs to. Like you I find it impossible that he hasn't gamed this out.


    Plus the result (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:25:52 PM EST
    Of some of those subpoenas he has been ordering by the gross

    The judge (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:27:32 PM EST
    did not seem amused by Muller's game plan so far.  I get your point about over reach on the discovery demand by the defense.  But so Muller's plan seems to be in trouble.  

    What I saw about the discovery is that they wanted

    a list of "each and every instance" since 1945 in which the U.S. "engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes in any foreign country."

    A lot different than all covert operations.  In any case the defense is entitled to discovery well before any trial which will be before any sentencing they would need to show up for.  Not to mention a lot of what they wanted (detailed in this MSN story) seemed reasonable to me.  Not saying they will get all of what they want; but once the judge determines just what Muller has to turn over to the defense my money says the case will be dropped; something of an embarrassment.

    Problem for Muller is he was looking for a PR win in headlines saying he indicted Russians but now is faced with a real trial and discovery; something he does not want.  Courts are generally not amused by things like that.


    Y'all (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 10, 2018 at 06:33:17 PM EST
    keep shopping this nonsense about Mueller being in "trouble" and his case "falling apart". I hate to tell you but Mueller talked to AT&T and other corporations that gave money to the Russian mobster Cohen 6 months ago. He is way ahead of where you are. Sam Nunberg sure had the bejeszus scared out of him just talking to Mueller's team. He said that he was shocked how much Mueller knew and how much evidence they had compiled.

    I liked this (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 07:00:44 PM EST
    Josh Campbell
    Josh Campbell
    Former Trump campaign aide to CNN's @AC360: "The Mueller team knew more about what I did in 2016 than I do myself, and I think they know more about the Trump campaign than anyone that ever worked there... They're clearly focused on trying to identify some Russian collusion."
    8:08 PM · May 2, 2018

    Yeah (none / 0) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 10, 2018 at 07:10:03 PM EST
    that's what I was talking about. I think Nunberg was shocked when he showed up to be interviewed at all that Mueller has but Mueller has only the best on his team unlike Trump.

    That was actually (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 08:08:32 PM EST
    Michael Caputo.  But Sam was similarly spooked.

    Do yourself (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Zorba on Fri May 11, 2018 at 12:10:33 PM EST
    And the rest of us a favor and stop misspelling the man's name.
    It's MUELLER, not Muller.
    It just makes you seem, shall I say, less educated when you persist in this.
    I don't generally agree with you, but I don't think you're stupid at all.  If you want people to take you more seriously, stop with the misspelling.

    That wording doesn't really cover it (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:40:28 PM EST
    When I posted that comment I could not find the actual languAge

    Maybe I will look again.


    Rachel spells it out (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:56:42 PM EST
    That was an overstatement but it's pretty darn extensive

    Ridiculously overbroad (none / 0) (#77)
    by MKS on Thu May 10, 2018 at 05:58:55 PM EST
    Let alone the national security privileges.

    No way that type of discovery goes forward.


    Not just overbroad but largely immaterial (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Thu May 10, 2018 at 07:34:54 PM EST
    I mean, it's good political rhetoric (mostly from a left wing perspective, I would think) to point out that the U.S. has a long and disreputable history of clandestine monkeying in foreign elections. But what potential legal defense does that have to do with, under this indictment? It is not true that the government cannot prosecute people for doing things the government itself does (much less things it used to do).

    Very good rhetoric... (none / 0) (#91)
    by kdog on Thu May 10, 2018 at 08:19:13 PM EST
    I'd like a little of that discovery. For our sake, not so much the trolls sake.

    There is already (none / 0) (#118)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 03:08:55 PM EST
    a lot out there on this.  A lot of good scholarship.

    The Discovery Request is just a ploy for PR purposes.  Peter says it is legally irrelevant, and I would agree.    


    Indeed... (none / 0) (#119)
    by kdog on Fri May 11, 2018 at 03:22:03 PM EST
    but I'd bet we still don't know the half...or the whole of the halves we know. Not that this discovery request was ever going to lead to such full enlightenment...just speaking generally on nefarious election meddling.

    I was thinking it could be argued relevant as part of a selective prosecution defense...but I gratefully defer to Peter (and yourself) on that lawbook sh&t, Donnie is out of his element.


    The chapter on Guatemala (none / 0) (#120)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:20:22 PM EST
    is fairly complete.  The original State Dept. docs have been released--by  Bill in 1996.  Sure, there could be more, but we have a lot and enough to know what happened.

    Peter (none / 0) (#106)
    by ragebot on Fri May 11, 2018 at 09:49:47 AM EST
    I have the upmost respect for your legal analysis and completely agree it is not material from a legal standpoint.

    But as you point out it is good from a political standpoint.  Bloomberg had an interesting article today about comparing Trump to Nixon.  One thing I was not aware of the article pointed out was

    But they didn't speak to a lot of voters, including blue-collar Democrats, who had voted for Nixon and then been slow to accept his guilt in Watergate -- as had the three in four people who, in a poll published before the Senate Watergate hearings began, agreed with the statement "Nixon's campaign people were no worse than the Democrats, except they got caught."

    More to the point the article goes on to point out the political fall out from the legal aspects of Watergate.  Worth a click to read.


    You don't speak for "courts" (none / 0) (#95)
    by Yman on Thu May 10, 2018 at 09:39:47 PM EST
    ... or Mueller, for that matter.

    Not saying they will get all of what they want; but once the judge determines just what Muller has to turn over to the defense my money says the case will be dropped; something of an embarrassment.

    Problem for Muller is he was looking for a PR win in headlines saying he indicted Russians but now is faced with a real trial and discovery; something he does not want.  Courts are generally not amused by things like that.

    But since your so confident about Mueller and the "courts", how much of your money says the case will be dropped.  I'll take that bet.  Amy amount you want.


    I will bet (none / 0) (#98)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:38:20 PM EST
    a nickel.

    Of COURSE you will (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Yman on Fri May 11, 2018 at 06:02:57 AM EST
    Funny how meaningless that false confidence in a specious theory becomes when "your money" is actually on the line.

    OK (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by ragebot on Fri May 11, 2018 at 09:36:23 AM EST
    I will double it and bet a dime.

    Ha. Courts are also not amused (none / 0) (#144)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 09:57:36 AM EST
    by defendants asking for irrelevant discovery. How is what the US may or may not have done in the past relevant to this case? Mueller is not  going to drop this case. He will comply with the discovery. If some of it is far afield and takes time to gather the judge will probably allow extra time, so the defense can decide if they want all this material, or an earlier trial date.

    He has no reason to comply (5.00 / 3) (#176)
    by Peter G on Sat May 12, 2018 at 07:55:29 PM EST
    with that discovery demand. First of all, as I already pointed out, its not "material to preparing the defense," under Federal Criminal Rule 16(a)(1)(E), nor is it "within the government's possession, custody, or control" under that rule. (The "government" in this context does not mean the entire US Government, it means the prosecution team and their offices.) Either the Special Counsel's Office moves for a "protective order" to quash the discovery, or they just decline to provide what is required, the defense files a "motion to compel" discovery, and either way the judge rules for the prosecutors.

    Thanks Peter (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 09:55:44 PM EST
    I thiught it was a request the judge ruled on first, but it makes more sense the way you explain it. Even less reason for Mueller to drop the case, IMO.

    Sorry for typo (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Peter G on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:54:50 PM EST
    Where I wrote "decline to provide what is required" I meant to type "decline to provide what is requested." Doesn't matter if I proofread twice, apparently.

    The reason (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 10, 2018 at 06:27:40 PM EST
    the troll farm people were indicted in the first place is more or less to let people LIKE YOU who doubt the Russians did anything know what was going on.

    When the people charged get extradited out of Russia then maybe they will have a case but until then their "discovery" is going nowhere.


    What makes you think (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 08:28:02 PM EST
    I have any doubts the Russians were involved in buying ads on facebook and producing tons of posts to stir the pot.  All the documented examples I have seen indicate something like a $US1,200,000 spent on facebook ads in one month and maybe that much again spread over several months; with some more probable.  Along with a lot of posts on facebook and other places.  Problem is many of them were almost comical; placed in areas where Clinton or Trump were sure to win.  Often there were competing posts, one for Clinton and one for Trump not necessarily to support either one but to stir the pot and make folks mad.  One of the funnier things was they set up a fake Black Lives Matter site that was getting more traffic than the legit BLM site.

    But that is missing the point I was making.  As others have posted there is no way they will be extradited.  But there will be discovery, albeit more limited than the defense asked for.  No one I have seen is claiming Muller is not trying to delay all the prelims, but the judges are not buying it.

    Muller wants to delay Flynn's sentencing.  He is having issues with the Manafort discovery judge and asking for delays there.  Same for Muller asking for delays in the troll case.  As a rule it is the defense who wants delays.

    My bet is still that Muller will drop this case rather than risking discovery.


    Mueller (5.00 / 3) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 10, 2018 at 09:13:17 PM EST
    wants to delay Flynn's sentencing because of Manafort. Since Flynn is now a witness for the state it make sense that his sentencing would be delayed. You keep wishing that all this would go away and I guess I can't blame you. If I were in your shoes I would feel the same way.

    It has become more than just Facebook ads. The Russians were depositing money in Trump's lawyer's  accounts.

    At first you denied the Russians did anything and now you're playing the game that yeah, they did something but it was really nothing. Actually those ads were strategically placed to get maximum effect. The really sad thing about all this is that there were enough Americans that were stupid enough to believe those ads. But then everyday I see conservatives on Facebook falling for hoax after hoax and reposting hoaxes and stories known Russian sites who when you put up a fact check on their post they still believe the propaganda over facts. Like the head propagandist at Cambridge Analytica said it doesn't matter if it's factual only if people believe it.  


    Wrong on so many things (2.20 / 5) (#97)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 10:34:22 PM EST
    Unless you can point out where I 'denied the Russians did anything' I am calling you out as wrong on the facts.

    The problem with your money claim is that Hillary spent way more than Trump did.

    If you think anything on facebook had anything to do with how I voted you are again wrong on the facts.  It also seems dubious to me that folks would vote based on what was on facebook.

    It seems silly to say the Russians spent a tiny amount of the total election expenditure and were able to target the key voters on facebook to swing the election.  As I posted earlier a lot of the Russian expenditures were in places like NY and CA where Hillary was sure to win.  Hillary was bashed by many dems for ignoring places like WI and PA where a few votes did make a difference.  I am not convinced the Russians were able to target voters in those key places with the really tiny expenditures in those areas.

    Bottom line is Hillary ran a terrible campaign after angering many dems who thought she treated Bernie badly.  To make matters worse she really was not up to the level of face to face campaigning that Trump seemed to love.  Her rallies were not well attended and she never connected with the crowd.  All one had to do was look at vids of Bernie's crowds and compare them to Hillary's crowds to notice the difference. Not to mention she often seemed in poor health.  When she stumbled/passed out/what ever in NY and it was caught on tape and replayed on youtube endlessly it only confirmed her poor health.  Why do you ignore all these issues and claim the Russians were seemingly masters of the universe who could mind control voters.

    All the analysts I respect share my view that the election was about who was the lesser evil.  I am convinced a lot of votes were not for some one; rather against the other candidate.  Sad to say that is what I am seeing in more and more elections.


    Uh-huh. Right. (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 11, 2018 at 01:38:56 AM EST
    ragebot: "To make matters worse she really was not up to the level of face to face campaigning that Trump seemed to love. Her rallies were not well attended and she never connected with the crowd."







    Since you are quite obviously not a Democrat, please do both yourself and us a big favor, and henceforth refrain from commenting in ignorance about those things which you obviously know very little or nothing.



    Nice pix (2.75 / 4) (#103)
    by ragebot on Fri May 11, 2018 at 09:35:02 AM EST
    except for the last one which has a crippled link with a message to email caryatfarfaxundergrounddotcom to see the image.

    What would be interesting is to know where the pix were captured.  My point was that Clinton wasted resources by 'preaching to the choir'.  Drawing crowds in in places like NY or CA, or in Philly as this link details is more a sign of weakness than strength.

    It was not just Newsweek that bashed Clinton, The Atlantic at the start (or at least one of the starts of her campaign) was less than enthusiastic about her, noting

    Clinton spoke in Four Freedoms Park, a locale chosen for its symbolic freight. It was a surprisingly small venue that did not quite fill up; an area set up for overflow with a large TV screen remained vacant. The campaign said more than 5,500 people were in attendance.

    You and others seem to want to ignore all of her health issues.  There were multiple vids on youtube getting lots of eyes showing her stumbling and needing to be assisted walking.  Even more of her coughing during events, sometimes seeming uncontrollably.  Her three day break (in the heat of the campaign) to recover from pneumonia was not assuring to those with any questions about her health.  In contrast Trump seemed to walk effortlessly and never cough.  Not to mention he kept a vicious schedule of not just campaigning but tweeting at odd hours and phoning in TV and radio shows.

    I can also remember many terse comments from folks here who supported Bernie and were not happy with how Hillary treated him.  Not to mention the Debbie Wasserman Schultz mess.

    Just my personal thoughts but to me it seems like a waste of time to say, as many, maybe most, dems do that Trump is a loud mouth braggart who is a bully that treats women as disposable.  Anyone who does not know about Trump's past with women and how nasty he is has not been paying attention.

    But my bigger point was that in most recent elections, not just the Clinton/Trump one, way too many folks were not voting for a candidate they were voting against the other candidate.  Even worse is a lot of folks are simply not voting at all because the candidates are too unattractive.  One of my favorite Ann Coulter quotations is 'hold your nose and vote for this candidate'.  Maybe if some of the dems had said 'hold your nose and vote for Clinton she would have done better'.  Let's keep in mind back in the day lots of dems were holding their nose and voting for Bill Clinton despite his treatment of women.


    Diagnosis through Youtube???? (5.00 / 4) (#129)
    by Yman on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:49:36 PM EST
    Your posts are the perfect demonstration of why Trump is POTUS.  Ignorant, ill-informed people believing tinfoil conspiracy theories based not on facts and evidence, but because they want to believe them due to their CDS or other illness.

    Laughable, really.


    Re: "Her rallies were not well attended" (none / 0) (#140)
    by linea on Fri May 11, 2018 at 07:58:54 PM EST
    I believe the Hillary rallies were well-attended and the crowd size was consistent with the recent historical size of rallies for presidential nominees. Am I wrong?

    The outlier were the Trump rallies which were massively attended even if the size of the crowds were sometimes exaggerated.

    NBC News: Tale of Two Rallies: How Trump and Clinton Events Look and Sound

    [Trump] The Crowd: Yuuuge! Folks wait hours to get in and are often turned away due to capacity. Largest crowds have been upwards of 20,000, though Trump often likes to inflate his crowd counts.

    [Hillary] The Crowd: Certainly smaller than both Trump and Sanders' rallies. Her biggest events get up to about 4,000. A typical event is closer to 1,000. People wait outside, rain or shine, for hours to go through stringent security.

    ... is a candidate's actual performance at the polls on Election Day. Bernie Sanders drew an estimated 30,000 to his rally in San Francisco on the eve of the California primary on June 6, 2016. The very next day, he lost that primary election to Hillary Clinton by some 400,000 votes (or a 7% margin), which effectively slammed the door shut on any chance he had to win our party's nomination.

    The point which practically every Hillary-bashing commenter -- East coast media elite, Berniebot and Trumplodyte alike -- strenuously tries to avoid in any post-2016 analysis and discussion is that Mrs. Clinton decisively defeated Sanders by about 4,000,000 in the cumulative vote count during the 2016 Democratic primary season, and then beat Trump by nearly 3,000,000 in the 2016 general election popular vote.

    In fact, for all the considerable headwinds she faced in 2016, which are only now becoming painfully apparent in hindsight and retrospect, Hillary Clinton still received the third-highest total number of votes ever in the history of U.S. presidential elections (65,844,610), bested only by Barack Obama's respective performances in 2008 (69,418,516) and 2012 (65,915,715). The currently fashionable notion that she was the most unpopular presidential candidate in modern U.S. history is also a false one.

    So, if we've learned anything over the past 26 years since Bill Clinton's ascent to the White House in 1992, it's that facts and truth are often terribly inconvenient things and readily disposable items to all too many critics of the Clintons, who've chosen to make their opposition to the couple entirely personal rather than wholly rational. And as a direct consequence of that collective irrationality, we are presently living in what an old Chinese curse calls "interesting times."

    Future historians may one day note that the ready willingness of those Clinton critics to summarily cast aside those facts and truths during public debate likely proved very costly to the long-term socio-political health and well-being of our country, by rendering a large portion of the U.S. populace -- particularly older and undereducated white Americans -- highly vulnerable to the corrosive and ultimately crippling effects of spurious suggestion, domestic demagogy and foreign-produced propaganda.

    But that's simply my own opinion. Aloha.


    Huh? (none / 0) (#165)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 05:56:36 PM EST
    Bernie Sanders?

    I posted on the topic being discussed - Trump v. Hillary rallies.

    I linked to and quoted NBC News with an analysis on that topic. A passing reference to Bernie Sanders by the author of that article was not related to any point I was trying to make.


    (Sigh!) Don't be so dense, linea. (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 12, 2018 at 08:02:27 PM EST
    I merely noted the June 2016 Sanders rally in San Francisco as an example why such rallies are often questionable barometers to use when attempting to gauge voter enthusiasm for a candidate.

    One of the great political photos of the 20th century was taken on Aug. 17, 1940, when nearly a quarter-million people crowded into Elwood, Indiana to greet that small town's favorite son, 1940 GOP presidential candidate Wendell Wilkie, as he returned to his boyhood home to give a speech accepting the Republican nomination. Wilkie would go on to lose the election to President Franklin Roosevelt, who actually won an unprecedented third term quite handily.

    Crowd sizes at political rallies don't matter. Election turnout does.


    I'm sorry! (none / 0) (#179)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 08:27:25 PM EST
    Re: `(Sigh!) Don't be so dense, linea.'

    I don't understand! Why can't you school me politely? I spent time researching the topic and cited a legitimate news source.


    I did 'school' you politely, the first time. (none / 0) (#184)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 12, 2018 at 09:43:49 PM EST
    But you know, I tend to lose patience when I have to return to re-explain the painfully obvious to the perpetually oblivious.

    Have a nice evening.


    No you didn't!! (none / 0) (#186)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:00:09 PM EST
    You mischaracterized me as a ` Hillary-bashing commenter' and `Berniebot' when I wasn't even discussing Senator Sanders. The topic was Trump v. Hillary crowd sizes and I researched the topic and posted a valid news source. I'm well-educated and not `perpetually oblivious' and you have no valid reason to be irritated with me. Maybe if you asked questions to understand me better we wouldn't be butting heads?

    And! And! To Donald... (none / 0) (#188)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:41:16 PM EST
    I'm fine with the `(sigh)' and I know I can be exasperating. I understand. But you don't talk to this way and call people `dense' when they are trying to understand. I am well-educated not `perpetually oblivious.' Don't be rude to me because a few people here are rude to me and it's easier than being polite. You're better than that. I like you, I often high-five you. I'm sorry and I feel I have made amends for when I first started posting here and I didn't fully appreciate your posts. I admit I was being lazy and have since enjoyed reading your posts, There was NOTHING WRONG with your analysis of the election. I agree with everything you wrote. I only take issue with my FEELINGS that I was being corrected on a topic I never introduced.

    Thanks for proving (5.00 / 5) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:50:00 AM EST
    my point by repeating GOP propaganda.

    The people responsible for Trump are conservatives and the GOP. Trump is a monster created by people who think just like you do. If you notice I did not even mention Hillary in my post. However Trump is your responsibility and your monster that the rest of us are going to have to suffer the consequences of and blaming Hillary sounds like the guy that comes home and beats his wife because he lost his job.


    Why this Trump Apologia? (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:25:36 PM EST
    There is no treaty under which (none / 0) (#86)
    by Peter G on Thu May 10, 2018 at 07:31:07 PM EST
    they can be extradited from Russia. They will either come here voluntarily, or be picked up while foolishly traveling to or through a country with which we do have a treaty, or will never stand trial.

    I really wish that east coast media ... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 10, 2018 at 07:55:46 PM EST
    ... would tone down their often hyperbolic headlines regarding their coverage of our local volcano Kilauea's recent East Rift Zone outbreak because quite honestly, Hawaii is NOT being "devastated" by this eruption, which has actually been an ongoing event since 1983, and further, we are NOT facing a 21st century equivalent of Krakatoa.

    No chance of that (none / 0) (#93)
    by ragebot on Thu May 10, 2018 at 08:44:50 PM EST
    the MSM loves hyperbolic headlines no matter what they are about.  If the truth be known I would be a lot more worried about what is happening in the Canary Islands now.

    Funny thing is the East Coast would be the big loser if the big one hit there.  English papers were hyping this up earlier this year.


    Bodycam video released in Virgina after woman (none / 0) (#121)
    by McBain on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:20:59 PM EST
    complains of racism during her traffic stop.

    "I was just bullied by a racist cop, who threatened to pull me out of the car," said Hilton-Williams in the 11-minute long Facebook video. "This is where we got lynched. This is where we got lynched, even in today's day."

    In the video, she said she feared for her life.

    However, the bodycam video doesn't back up her story.

    After Sheriff Roberts released the body cam footage, Hilton-Williams told WTVR she remembered things differently.

    I can't tell how much of her Facebook video she made up and how much she "remembered differently"...  
    But it does suggest we shouldn't always assume the worst when we hear allegations of racism or any crime. Sometimes people lie, sometimes they make horribly incorrect assumptions.

    Maybe more (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:22:09 PM EST
    conservatives will now support body cams?

    Traffic stops (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 03:04:04 PM EST
    I think the process is confusing to some people. Despite the fact that there is no US State where signing a traffic citation is an admission of guilt. However, I feel those states that require a signature should change their statutes.

    I've been stopped three times for speeding but have never recieved a ticket. I'm a terrible driver. It's a suprise I'm not often stopped by police. I've been a passenger when a driver received a traffic citation but he was not confused, hostile, or belligerent (as in so many videos) so it was uneventful.

    In this incident, I suppose when the person refused to sign (after it was explained that it is not an admission of guilt) the police could have been more sympathetic and calm rather than threatening and irritated in explaining the options. Of course, I have no idea whether this person would still have made a `cops are racist' video no matter the situation.


    What happens now depends entirely on which state you are in. If you read the ticket carefully, you will see that the signature is not an admission of guilt. It comes after the date you are to appear in court and is your word that you will appear on the given date. It is the misdemeanor equivalent of personal recognizance.

    • Some states do not require a signature, while others, like Texas and California for example, follow this law to the letter.
    • If you are in a signature state, you are required to sign. A refusal to do so can result in a second ticket for failure to comply or a custodial arrest.
    • This means that you will be arrested, booked, and held in jail until the court date.

    Do you ever post evidence (none / 0) (#123)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:22:51 PM EST
    of actual racism, or does that not interest you, or do you think it does not exist?

    One topic that continues to interest me (none / 0) (#126)
    by McBain on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:34:25 PM EST
    is just how gullible people are when it comes to early reporting. For all I know, there could be even more to this story than the latest video shows.  

    At the drop of a hat, people will play the race card because there's rarely any penalty for abusing it.

    I do believe racism exists but I've yet to see/hear an intelligent conversation about it.  


    No intelligent conversation about race? (5.00 / 4) (#127)
    by MKS on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:36:58 PM EST
    Oh my.  There are plenty.  But if you don't want to see them or racism, you won't.

    Hard to see/hear much ... (5.00 / 4) (#130)
    by Yman on Fri May 11, 2018 at 04:52:50 PM EST
    ... when your head is buried in the sand.  Interesting that - when videos are posted demonstrating racism and/or excessive force by police - you immediately try to attack the videos.

    PATRICK MELROSE (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:24:23 PM EST
    Starts tomorrow on SHOWTIME.  limited series.  5 episodes.

    Showtime mini-series that compresses Edward St. Aubyn's semi-autobiographical Patrick Melrose novels into a five episodes. While we've certainly seen stories that satirize society's upper class and upend their addiction to manners to great comic effect, this series hinges on a dazzling performance by Cumberbatch

    This isn't to say that he's only some Barnum and Bailey act. He also has a psychedelically pop sensibility. The drug-haze scenes are wildly over the top, like a blend of Charles Bukowski and Inherent Vice. It's reminiscent of the bright, trippy world that Cumberbatch dove into in Doctor Strange. It's what makes Patrick Melrose so wonderful. St. Aubyn's books use humor and satire to describe how a broken man puts himself back together. Only a pliable actor like Cumberbatch could stretch himself apart like Mr. Fantastic in the role and still put himself back together again. It's a role he was born to play and the series is the better for it.

    I'm going to subscribe to showtime again for the (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:00:48 AM EST
    time it takes to watch this. I loved those books. They are funny and poignant, and Patrick is a sympathetic character. I have heard this described as another story about a privileged rich white guy, probably by people who have not read the books. I guess you can see it that way, but it is a lot more than that.

    Really glad this sounds like it is so well done.


    We opted out of Showtime too (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:15:39 AM EST
    I think I will buy this series though.

    I like being able to subscribe to it (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:20:58 AM EST
    month by month through my Appletv. Makes it easy to dip in and out for things like this. I wasn't watching their other shows anymore.

    I did the same with Starz last month for their Howard's End series, which was excellent.

    HBO is the only one I keep full time anymore - they always have something good in rotation.


    For 2 days (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:20:50 AM EST
    I've been binging Peaky Blinders.

    So good.  Just finished season 1.

    One I never got around to.


    We are current now (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 12:43:43 PM EST
    Killing Eve, it has become too good too.

    I love that the bad guy wears runway designer clothes. A psychologically effed character walking down a European street in a huge pink babydoll dress, so awesome. I want one ;)


    Thanks, I have heard of that one too (none / 0) (#150)
    by ruffian on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:23:29 AM EST
    But never took the time. I'm at the car place now, but maybe l'll check it out later.

    I 'm working my way into my summer hibernation. Got huge fly bites the other night that itched incredibly and swelled up huge spots on my legs. Time to say indoors and binge some TV!


    Ohhh Ruff (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 12, 2018 at 10:57:29 AM EST
    Be prepared to be smitten by a little skinny guy with freckles and a bad haircut. Cillian Murphy is intoxicating in Peaky Blinders.

    He's the Irish Gypsy Michael Avenatti of Birmingham. This is my favorite series right now, he is the Jon Snow of WWI tunnelers.


    I loved Peaky Blinders. (none / 0) (#183)
    by Chuck0 on Sat May 12, 2018 at 09:05:52 PM EST
    And I have trouble getting into some Brit television. Was pleasantly surprised to see Cillian Murphy pop up in Dunkirk.

    I just finished season three (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 14, 2018 at 08:52:34 AM EST
    At about 3 last night cause I couldn't stop, which was amazing and I'm about to start season 4 which I've read takes it to the next level.

    See ya later.

    Rumor is season 5 takes the Shelby's to America.

    With all that implies


    The BBC is putting out (none / 0) (#192)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 13, 2018 at 01:48:59 PM EST
    Some really good stuff.

    I could do without their neverending (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by jondee on Sun May 13, 2018 at 02:22:04 PM EST
    tributes to the English monarchy-aristocracy. After awhile, one gets the sense that someone's trying to convey that these are the only people that really matter..

    They should do a series about the Bronze Age in the British Isles, when the king was put to death during times of drought or famine. Talk about the ultimate "the buck stops here."


    Have you checked out Britannia? (none / 0) (#195)
    by jmacWA on Mon May 14, 2018 at 05:41:45 AM EST
    It's on amazon, and definitely not a tribute to anything English.  Set in Roman conquest times.  On Amazon

    It sounds really interesting (none / 0) (#197)
    by jondee on Mon May 14, 2018 at 09:41:53 AM EST
    I'll check it out.

    FWIW (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 14, 2018 at 09:58:43 AM EST
    Peaky Blinders is hardly flattering to the royals

    I finished PB (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 15, 2018 at 10:16:06 AM EST
    Holy Shiite so good.

    Are up with THE TERROR?

    Last night said next week is the SEASON finale.  I thought it was only one season.  Great news


    AH HA (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 15, 2018 at 10:18:09 AM EST
    Trailer (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 11, 2018 at 05:53:42 PM EST
    Bolton, Netanyahu and Trump Leading the US to War (none / 0) (#137)
    by RickyJim on Fri May 11, 2018 at 06:35:55 PM EST
    and who is standing up and saying NO!!!?
    Pat Buchanan for one.

    Interesting article (none / 0) (#156)
    by linea on Sat May 12, 2018 at 01:22:35 PM EST
    Thank you.