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    A True American Artist (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Dadler on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 06:27:54 PM EST
    I never heard of her till now (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:06:46 AM EST
    she's great. Thanks for the heads up.

    Nashville (none / 0) (#72)
    by RCBadger on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:33:19 PM EST
    She had a recurring role on the past season of "Nashville."  

    Check out her old band... (none / 0) (#105)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:00:40 AM EST
    Carolina Chocolate Drops...is good sh*t.

    And the music doc "Lost Songs: The New Basement Tapes" where Giddens and other contemporary talents take cracks at recording songs with unearthed Bob Dylan lyrics from The Basement Tapes era.


    If you get a chance (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 12:04:22 PM EST
    check out Marc Maron's WTF podcast with John Hammond Jr..

    They get into some interesting history of that period when Hammond hooked Dylan up with Levon and the Hawks after they played on Hammond's So Many Roads album. Also some great stuff about when Chas Chandler discovered "Jimmy James" playing guitar in JH Jr's band and taking him to England and helping him become Jimi Hendrix.


    Much obliged... (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:41:14 PM EST
    I never tire of such tales of yore.

    Everything is fine (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by CST on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 11:27:10 AM EST
    Nothing to see here:

    "Millennial homeownership fell from a three-year high of 36 percent in the fourth quarter of last year back to 35.3 percent in the first quarter of this year, according to the U.S. Census."

    "Millennials make up the largest share of those seeking starter homes, a portion of the market that saw inventory plummet 14.2 percent and prices leap nearly 10 percent year-over-year in Q1 2017," wrote Cheryl Young, chief economist at Trulia."

    "Vacancy rates are down for both owned properties and rentals, meaning there will be no easing in today's high rents, which should be another impetus for renters to become homeowners. But those high rents make it hard for young buyers to save for a down payment.

    And mortgage rates are continuing to move higher."

    Current mortgage rates are quite low (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by caseyOR on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 11:47:12 AM EST
    compared to what they were when my cohort of baby boomers finished college and entered the work force. The 1974 average mortgage interest rate was around 9%, and it almost doubled over the next decade.

    And housing stock was tight them, due in part to the large number of boomers all trying to enter the market at the same time. And, yes, rents were high because so many people were looking for places to live.

    I am not trying to diminish the challenges facing millennials. I know, as a boomer, how hard it can be when one is part of a huge demographic bulge. Boomers and millennials have much in common. It is too bad they get pitted against each other. If they ever decide to join together I think they could effect some real positive change.

    Where I do think things are much harder for millennials is student loans. The current system is a travesty. A disgrace. It is outrageous that we have allowed a profit- driven private industry, one that has shown itself to have markedly few scruples, to control this market.

    My student loans were issued by the federal government. The interest rate was, I believe, around 2%. Enough to fund the program. No need for obscene profiteering.


    the rates are lower (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by CST on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 12:39:42 PM EST
    But the prices are higher relative to annual wages, and homeownership is at a record low.

    This wasn't meant as a hit against boomers, it was just highlighting the squeeze being felt by younger Americans right now, and the movement towards a declining standard of living in America.  I think the whole boomers vs. millennials is overblown to an extent, but it makes it convenient for members of either generation who want a scapegoat for their problems, rather than recognizing we're all in this mess together.

    And yes, I think student loans are a huge part of the problem.  Pretty hard to come up with a downpayment when you're starting out so far underwater.  

    But another part of the problem is on the supply side - density restrictions and the years of McMansion development which demolished a lot of the previously existing starter homes.  The demand has changed, but the supply hasn't.


    Yeah, something is going on CST (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:50:37 PM EST
    I don't know what it is, but something shady is going on again.

    Not sustainable (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:48:28 PM EST
    There is a finger on the scale AGAIN! What is it? I mean I know somehow Sean Hannity owns how many HUD homes that as a middle class tax payer I intended for and paid for first time and even second step up home home owners to have access to and own. And that's all I know right now other than....there is a thumb on the scale that doesn't belong to the invisible hand.

    We walk around this neighborhood looking, we have started shopping in one of the hottest markets. There are what appear to me to be 3 zombie-like homes in this neighborhood. No one lives in them and nothing has happened in the last 90 days.

    I am puzzled, and convinced new zombie mortgages are being held off books.


    ANCIENT ALIENS and Real Science (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 07:06:17 PM EST
    A day early for the Friday AA marathon but pretty interesting

    Could an industrial prehuman civilization have existed on Earth before ours?

    Frank was there to discuss the idea of studying global warming from an "astrobiological perspective" -- that is, investigating whether the rise of an alien industrial civilization on an exoplanet might necessarily trigger climate changes similar to those we see during Earth's own Anthropocene. But almost before Frank could describe how one might search for the climatic effects of industrial "exocivilizations" on newly discovered planets, Schmidt caught him up short with a surprising question: "How do you know we're the only time there's been a civilization on our own planet?"

    Frank considered a moment before responding with a question of his own: "Could we even tell if there had been an industrial civilization [long before this one]?"

    I love the idea of ancient aliens, (none / 0) (#129)
    by McBain on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:19:54 PM EST
    alien abductions, area 51 and all that.  I want it to be true but I think it's BS. I do believe in life outside of earth but the distances between advanced civilizations is probably too much for one to visit another.  I hope I'm wrong.  

    while I agree (none / 0) (#138)
    by nyjets on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 02:31:53 PM EST
    The idea of alien abduction, area 51 are mostly silly, it is certainly possible that an alien race developed some kind of propulsion system that would allow them to transverse the stars.

    The way I see it, there is nothing unique about this planet, sun, or solar system. And there are a lot of good biochemical reason as to why we are carbon based life forms made up mostly of water.

    It is VERY likely that there are planets in this galaxy that contains lifeforms that we could recognize. And they could be much more advanced than us and they might be aware of us. THey could be observing us the way we might observe an anthill. (insert jokes now )


    I love ANCIENT ALIENS because (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 05:01:55 PM EST
    It's a hoot.

    However I have long said they may be onto something in one respect.

    I think it entirely possible and the empirical evidence is growing there is a lost civilization, or even more than one, far older than any currently known and that earths history as we know it could be very incomplete.

    I do not personally think it necessarily has anything to do with aliens.  Tho like you I think that is also possible.

    We know humans have been essentially us for a quarter or a million years.

    That is the point of the link.  


    Modern humans (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 05:40:43 PM EST
    Since the 1970s, the Omo remains, dated to some 195,000 years ago, have often been taken as the conventional cut-off point for the emergence of "anatomically modern humans". Since the 2000s, the discovery of older remains with comparable characteristics, and the discovery of ongoing hybridization between "modern" and "archaic" populations after the time of the Omo remains, have opened up a renewed debate on the "age of Homo sapiens", in journalistic publications cast into terms of "Homo sapiens may be older than previously thought".[15]

    Homo sapiens idaltu, dated to 160,000 years ago, has been postulated as an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens in 2003.[16] Homo neanderthalensis, which became extinct by 30,000 years ago, has also been classified as a subspecies, Homo sapiens neanderthalensis; the lineages of modern humans and Neanderthals are estimated to have diverged around 500,000 years ago.[17]

    That leaves roughly and conservatively 200,000 years of unrecorded "modern human" history


    The linked paper (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 06:57:28 PM EST
    is also worth the time

    One of the primary open questions of astrobiology is whether there is extant or extinct life elsewhere the Solar System. Implicit in much of this work is that we are looking for microbial or, at best, unintelligent life, even though technological artifacts might be much easier to find. SETI work on searches for alien artifacts in the Solar System typically presumes that such artifacts would be of extrasolar origin, even though life is known to have existed in the Solar System, on Earth, for eons. But if a prior technological, perhaps spacefaring, species ever arose in the Solar System, it might have produced artifacts or other technosignatures that have survived to present day, meaning Solar System artifact SETI provides a potential path to resolving astrobiology's question. Here, I discuss the origins and possible locations for technosignatures of such a prior indigenous technological species, which might have arisen on ancient Earth or another body, such as a pre-greenhouse Venus or a wet Mars. In the case of Venus, the arrival of its global greenhouse and potential resurfacing might have erased all evidence of its existence on the Venusian surface. In the case of Earth, erosion and, ultimately, plate tectonics may have erased most such evidence if the species lived Gyr ago. Remaining indigenous technosignatures might be expected to be extremely old, limiting the places they might still be found to beneath the surfaces of Mars and the Moon, or in the outer Solar System.

    pssst, that era is (none / 0) (#158)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:56:47 PM EST

    History begins with written records.

    (However, sn interesting debate among historians is between traditionalists who define records as documents vs. those of us who suggest that definition ignores written records such as cave drawings, pictograpgs, etc. Just because we cannot read them does not mean those records were not written. . . . Intriguing example: Only recently did we deduce how to read Mayan hieroglyphs. Voila! What was prehistory becomes history. Silliness.)


    Towanda, your comment motivated mt to (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:21:33 PM EST
    read Wiki re the current state of deciphering Mayan glyph. Very interesting. Lots of progress, compared to much confusion earlier.

    See I knew this (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:23:56 PM EST
    You should watch more ANCIENT ALIENS

    Psst (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:12:52 PM EST
    Unrecorded history is sort of before writing dontcha think?

    You did make me look (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:17:35 PM EST
    The dictionary speaks of the "history of prehistoric humans"

    noun, plural prehistories.
    human history in the period before recorded events, known mainly through archaeological discoveries, study, research, etc.; history of prehistoric humans.


    That said (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:49:00 PM EST
    Based on that dictionary definition

    "human history in the period before recorded events"

    that is not really what that paper, which really is worth reading, is about at all.

    Tho it is what I was talking about in the comment I think you  replied to Iguess.

    The paper is a lot broader than human history.


    I hope so (none / 0) (#149)
    by McBain on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 06:41:16 PM EST
    but there are so many obstacles to overcome to allow interstellar travel.

    THey could be observing us the way we might observe an anthill.
    Or maybe they are antlike and have a hive/colony mentality.  Lots of fun possibilities.  

    I just finished watching a documentary on the voyager probes. Pretty cool that the golden records could possibly last as long as a billion years.


    Did you ever hear the NPR interview (none / 0) (#186)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:55:10 PM EST
    with the journalist Annie Jacobson about Area 51 etc? If you haven't, you should try to find it. For entertainment value, if nothing else.

    It was far and away the most bizarre interview I've ever heard on NPR. You can almost hear the interviewer thinking WTF?! throughout the whole thing.


    Did you read the fu@king link (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 04:33:17 PM EST
    It has zero to do with any of that sh!t

    Calm down (1.00 / 2) (#166)
    by linea on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:36:49 PM EST
    I hope he didn't read the link.

    Anyone who read your linked article proposing `Silurians - an ancient race of technologically advanced, reptilian humanoids who predated the arrival of humans by hundreds of millions of years' likely lost a few million brain cells as a result.


    If you provide the context (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:42:59 PM EST
    Your stupid like omitted it makes a bit more sense.

    Schmidt and Frank began by forecasting the geologic fingerprints the Anthropocene will likely leave behind -- such as hints of soaring temperatures and rising seas laid down in beds of sedimentary rock. These features, they noted, are very similar to the geologic leftovers of the PETM and other hyperthermal events. They then considered what tests could plausibly distinguish an industrial cause from otherwise naturally occurring climate changes. "These issues have never really been addressed to any great extent," Schmidt notes. And that goes not only for scientists, but evidently for science fiction writers as well, he adds: "I looked back into the science fiction literature to try to find the earliest example of a story featuring a nonhuman industrial civilization on Earth. The earliest I could find was in a Doctor Who episode."

    That 1970 episode of the classic TV series involves the present-day discovery of "Silurians" -- an ancient race of technologically advanced, reptilian humanoids who predated the arrival of humans by hundreds of millions of years. According to the plot, these highly civilized saurians flourished for centuries until Earth's atmosphere entered a period of cataclysmic upheaval that forced Homo reptilia to go into hibernation underground to wait out the danger. Schmidt and Frank paid tribute to the episode in the title of their paper: "The Silurian Hypothesis."

    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:43:36 PM EST
    That should have been

    Your stupid LIE


    Whatever (none / 0) (#184)
    by linea on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:33:16 PM EST
    Maybe you are watching too much Ancient Aliens if you believe it is `entirely possible and the empirical evidence is growing' that Silurians existed?



    What a shameless (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 02:58:14 PM EST
    And ridiculous liar you are.  Your remind me if Trump.  Just lie and continue lying like you believe it.  Perhaps like him you actually do.

    I wonder if that "Silurian" (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:40:04 PM EST
    episode is where the conspiracy theorist David Icke got the inspiration for his "hidden reptilian overlords" thesis. Wouldn't surprise me..

    I heard the Fingerprints of the Gods guy Graham Hancock on a podcast not long ago. He's an entertaining guy with wild imagination, I'll give him that. If he gets more people interested in delving deeply into archeology, history, and prehistory, and I think he does, let him have at it, I say.


    The idea of reptilian aliens (none / 0) (#193)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:10:45 PM EST
    Is quite old. I'm sure the Doctor Who writers got it from the conspiracies and not vice versa

    I don't know.. (none / 0) (#196)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:28:50 PM EST
    I think Icke only started promulgating that stuff in the eighties. I could be wrong..

    Apparently he popularized it (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:45:22 PM EST
    You made me look.  I was thinking turn of th a last century.  I was close.

    Michael Barkun, professor of political science at Syracuse University, posits that the idea of a reptilian conspiracy originated in the fiction of Conan the Barbarian creator Robert E. Howard. The first appearance of "serpent men" in literature was in Howard's story, "The Shadow Kingdom", published in Weird Tales in August 1929. This story drew on theosophical ideas of the "lost worlds" of Atlantis and Lemuria, particularly Helena Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine, with its reference to "'dragon-men' who once had a mighty civilization on a Lemurian continent".[8] Howard's "serpent men" were described as humanoid with human bodies but snake heads, able to imitate real humans at will, who lived in hiding in underground passages, using their shapechanging and mind control abilities to infiltrate humanity.[9] Clark Ashton Smith used Howard's "serpent men" in his stories, as well as themes from H. P. Lovecraft, and he, Howard and Lovecraft together laid the basis for the Cthulhu Mythos.[10] In the 1940s, a non-fiction writer, Maurice Doreal, wrote a pamphlet entitled "Mysteries of the Gobi" which described a "serpent race" that had "bodies like man but...heads...like a great snake" and an ability to take true human form.[11] These creatures also appeared in Doreal's poem, "The Emerald Tablets", in which he claimed the titular tablets were written by "Thoth, an Atlantean Priest king". Barkun asserts that "in all likelihood", Doreal's ideas came from "The Shadow Kingdom", and that in turn, "The Emerald Tablets" formed the basis for David Icke's book, Children of the Matrix



    Good point (none / 0) (#198)
    by linea on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:47:15 PM EST
    This definitely predates conspiracy theorist David Icke.

    From Wiki:

    Michael Barkun, professor of political science at Syracuse University, posits that the idea of a reptilian conspiracy originated in the fiction of Conan the Barbarian creator Robert E. Howard. The first appearance of "serpent men" in literature was in Howard's story, "The Shadow Kingdom", published in Weird Tales in August 1929. This story drew on theosophical ideas of the "lost worlds" of Atlantis and Lemuria, particularly Helena Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine, with its reference to "'dragon-men' who once had a mighty civilization on a Lemurian continent.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#200)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:54:16 PM EST
    My points are always good.

    Here is a book (none / 0) (#202)
    by linea on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:59:13 PM EST
    But obviously Carl Sagan would think it ridiculous to believe that Silurians actually existed.
    In 1977 Carl Sagan postulated in his book The Dragons of Eden that perhaps, if that meteor had not landed, dinosaurs could have achieved a more human-like level of intelligence. He considered the relative intelligence of Troodontids, and thought it might have had a chance to grow. After this speculation, a number of science-fiction stories with the pretense of intelligent dinosaurs were published.

    Who appointed you (5.00 / 3) (#191)
    by Zorba on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 02:44:41 PM EST
    "Thread monitor" that you feel you can tell people to "calm down" and then say that anyone who reads Howdy's link "likely lost a few million brain cells as a result"?
    Certainly, you can disagree with anyone you want, and present your arguments.  But when you start telling people how to behave, or throw insults around, perhaps you should not be surprised if people take you less and less seriously.
    Just my opinion, don't you know?

    That's funny (1.00 / 1) (#195)
    by linea on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:19:28 PM EST
    Considering how mild my post was and the level of personal insults I constantly receive. And who made you thread monitor?

    Ever ask yourself (4.00 / 4) (#201)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:55:23 PM EST
    Why that is?

    North and South Korea bromancing (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 06:38:23 AM EST

    I can see Kim and Moon... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:03:11 AM EST
    being like "we better work this sh*t out cuz this round-eye mother*cker Trump is crazy and might nuke us all".

    Good for the Korean peninsula!


    I think that's right (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:58:05 AM EST
    And still Trumps first morning tweet was about Comey.

    The man is to far gone to take credit (ok second tweet, sort of) for the real things.


    Yep (none / 0) (#117)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 11:17:42 AM EST
    I think the Asian world is into "the crazy dog barks but the caravan moves on" territory.

    Legacy Museum.. (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 07:59:48 PM EST
    Not really the first (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:02:34 PM EST
    museum of the history of slavery or, as I also have seen it described, the first museum on the history of lynchings. The latter is the American Holocaust Musem, founded by lynching survivor James Cameron.

    But journalists fall for news releases claiming firsts, again and again, without checking for, y'know, facts.


    Alright, I just read about James Cameron (5.00 / 3) (#187)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 02:22:21 PM EST
    who I didn't know about. Jeeezus, what a depressing history.

    Almost the worst part, but obviously not the worst part, is the photos of the smiling faces of the attendees of those "lynching bees," many of whom actually brought their kids along to wittness of the spectacle, like they were spending a day at the county fair.


    I totally get why Dizzy Gillespie (none / 0) (#188)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 02:28:55 PM EST
    said "If you think I'm gonna go fight a war for these motherf*ckers, you're crazy."

    After reading about this new museum (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:15:24 PM EST
    Yesterday I, for some reason, googled lynching.  Bad idea.

    I was a little shocked at what an extensive photographic record there is of this.  And you are right that the most disturbing thing, I've seen dead people before, was the happy crowds and smiling pointing children.

    The guy in the museum video is right.  It infected the whole country with a kind of disease.


    That's why I can't get with this whole (none / 0) (#199)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 03:49:20 PM EST
    Hollywood paying homage to DW Griffith and all his marvelous cinematic innovations jazz..

    F*ck his cracker ass. That movie he made inflamed people and got people killed. It helped set off a new wave of "race riots", romanticized the Klan,  inspired Jim Crow legislation, and generally was a germ for setting the country on a backwards path.


    Your reference, Towanda, appears to be (none / 0) (#183)
    by Peter G on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:30:18 PM EST
    to "America's Black Holocaust Museum," located in Milwaukee.

    I saw the lynching memorial earlier (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 08:04:43 PM EST
    It's pretty f'ing profound

    Not really the first (none / 0) (#160)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:02:50 PM EST
    museum of the history of slavery or, as I also have seen it described, the first museum on the history of lynchings. The latter is the American Holocaust Museum, founded by lynching survivor James Cameron.

    But journalists fall for news releases claiming firsts, again and again, without checking for, y'know, facts.


    Cosby jurors ask for legal definition of consent (none / 0) (#1)
    by McBain on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 02:51:12 PM EST
    Judge replies...
    "The jury will decide what consent means to them,"

    I think this is the problem with many sexual assault cases. Consent isn't always obvious to a jury.  

    It will be interesting to learn peter g's (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 03:27:25 PM EST
    t@ke on both the defense closing argument and how the trial judge responded to the three jury questions today.

    Thanks for asking. It has seemed to me (none / 0) (#24)
    by Peter G on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:48:13 PM EST
    that the defense is a bit all over the place. I'm not a trial lawyer, but what I think I've heard at various supposedly expert trainings is that a single, consistent theme and theory is much more likely to prevail for the defendant. So what is it? Cosby never had sex with Constant, and couldn't have, because he wasn't at home during the time that she says the incident occurred? Or they did, but it was consensual? Is either of those theories really consistent with his agreeing to pay her over $3 million not to complain or discuss it publicly? And what argument is consistent with his admissions in the deposition in her civil suit? Admittedly, I am friendly with the lawyer who got Cos the hung jury last year (I'm working with him almost daily on another high profile case at the moment), but I think his defense at that first trial was more logical, more consistent and more believable in generating the all-important reasonable doubt.
      As for the jury's questions, two were requests to re-hear testimony. No telling what that may be coming from. Sometimes, if not usually, such requests come from a majority of the jury being willing to accommodate a handful who have a different recollection of what a certain witness said on a given point. But really, it could be anything.
       The third question (the first they asked) was for a legal definition of "consent" under PA rape law. I'm surprised the judge said he could not provide this. A key concept in a criminal statute simply cannot mean whatever a given jury thinks it means in any given case. I think that response was a significant error by the judge.

    Thanks, as I am astonished (none / 0) (#28)
    by Towanda on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 10:09:20 PM EST
    that, if the reporting is correct, the judge allowed the jury to define a crucial component of the law.  

    Cosby, in depositions, admitted that he administered Quaaludes without consent.  

    I looked up discussion of Pennsylvania's law regarding consent and found phrases such as the perpetrator "knows that the complainant is unaware that the sexual intercourse is occurring" and/or the perpetrator "has substantially impaired the complainant's power to appraise or control his or her conduct by administering or employing, without the knowledge of the complainant, drugs, intoxicants or other means for the purpose of preventing resistance."  



    The money-grubbing defense (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 11:17:44 PM EST
    doesn't ring true given the $3 mil + civil settlement and the fact the DA prosecutes, not the alleged victim I couldn't suss out a PA jury instruction re consent but did find a 1998 case re lack consent is the burden of proof of the prosecution with the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Trial judge has discretion re jury request to hear testimony read back during deliberations. But the stipulated testimony the jury requested seems crucial.

    Cosby guilty on three counts of (none / 0) (#64)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 12:37:27 PM EST
    sexual assault.

    Luckily for Cosby (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:20:39 PM EST
    the judge is not revoking his bail at this point. I wonder what Judge O'Neill will think is an appropriate sentence, considering the egregious nature of the offense and the long pattern of similar misconduct, but taking into account also how long ago it was, the civil settlement, and the defendant's current age and disabilities. Not an easy one for the judge.

    Why wasn't bail revoked? (none / 0) (#71)
    by McBain on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:29:41 PM EST
    Too old to flee?

    The Pennsylvania Rules of Criminal Procedure (none / 0) (#73)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:47:19 PM EST
    set forth a presumption in favor of continued bail after verdict and before sentencing, even where the defendant faces more than three years' imprisonment, unless the judge makes specific findings of danger or high risk of flight. (If the defendant faces less than 3 years, the right to bail simply continues. If he faces life imprisonment, he no longer has a right to bail.) The judge clearly did not, and possibly could not, make such findings in this case.  

    Is aggravated indecent assault prison (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 07:31:32 PM EST
    mandatory in PA?

    No, thank goodness. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:03:04 PM EST
    At this time we have no mandatory prison sentences under PA state law, other than for murder and repeat DUI. Pretty sure. There were many others, but because of the way they were structured, they were held unconstitutional a few years ago, and have not been restored. Mandatory sentences are an abomination.

    so It looks like the trial judge has (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:07:41 PM EST
    discretion to order probation up to 30 yrs

    yes (none / 0) (#98)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:53:13 PM EST
    that is correct. Not that a term that long would be normal. More than five years of probation is unusual. More than ten years is very unusual. These are the considerations for deciding whether to grant probation. I can see how it could be argued that many of them apply. Now, here are the criteria for considering whether to impose imprisonment. At least one of those criteria could also plausibly be invoked.

    Thanks. Though I meant the court (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:57:37 PM EST
    could order probation.  Probation plus local custody. Or ostensibly state prison to a max of 30 years if 3 10-yr. prison terms were imposed consecutively.  

    Re probation criteria, #11 helps defendant. (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:06:03 PM EST
    The civil settlement shouldn't. [jmo!]

    What the heck is "correctional treatment"?  Sounds  ominous.  


    Probation isn't appropriate (none / 0) (#101)
    by linea on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 11:39:18 PM EST
    Bill Cosby was convicted of three counts of aggravated indecent assault. Each count could be 10 years.

    My opinion, where there are multiple rapes, it is an injustice to allow concurrent sentences. In these cases, sentences should be consecutive. Also, in addition to the three women who were drugged and raped, the Judge should consider the testimony from the five other women who detailed how Cosby assaulted them and deliver an appropriately harsh sentence.


    Cosby was not convicted of multiple (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 11:53:57 PM EST

    Pennsylvania has sentencing guidelines (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:14:12 AM EST
    which are intended to guide the judge's discretion. They are in no way binding. The guidelines range for each count of aggravated indecent assault is 2 to 3 years' state imprisonment, with a 12 month leeway above or below that for aggravating or mitigating circumstances. There is no legal restriction on the judge's discretion to run separate counts consecutively or concurrently, but since the three counts arise out of a single encounter, it would be logical to expect them to run concurrently. (Even if consecutive sentences are imposed, there is no reason why the second or third sentence must be of equal length to the first or primary sentence. In federal cases, there is a guideline for this which refers to a "reasonable incremental sentence" for additional counts that don't run concurrently.) While the judge obviously cannot sentence someone for a crime he was not convicted of (e.g., other past victims), in choosing a sentence for this offense the judge certainly can consider whether the incident was aberrant or whether, on the other hand, it was part of a longstanding pattern of similar antisocial conduct.

    I can't imagine that ... (none / 0) (#154)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 08:58:18 PM EST
    ... yelling at the District Attorney and calling him an @$$hole after the verdict was announced is likely going to help Dr. Huxtable's cause.

    And you hear that giant sucking sound? That's the syndication value of "The Cosby Show" circling the drain, along with future residual payments to its unconvicted cast members.

    It's just a sad and disgraceful end to what had once been a long and stellar career in show business and education. The little boy in me still doesn't want to believe that he did it.

    That's what I get for putting him on a pedestal in my youth.


    Although I've heard retrials (none / 0) (#66)
    by McBain on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 12:50:58 PM EST
    favor the prosecution and I read Peter's criticism of Cosby's defense team, I'm a little surprised.   Hopefully Jeralyn will comment on this verdict.  

    Well, of course (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Zorba on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    You are.

    Bahahahaha! (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:56:53 PM EST
    I'm not surprised at all. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:54:36 PM EST
    "In a he-said-she-said, generally it's the he-said who prevails with his denial," said Gloria Allred today after the verdict. "But now, of course, it's a she-said, she-said, she-said, she-said and she-said against the he-said."

    In Bill Cosby's 2017 criminal trial, just one woman was allowed to testify to an episode similar to the 2004 assault that accuser Andrea Constand described. That resulted in a hung jury.

    This time around, the judge allowed five other women to testify in support of Ms. Constand's criminal complaint, and they each told similar stories of being manipulated by Cosby into taking pills, and then finding themselves immobilized and helpless to fight him off as he proceeded to molest and / or rape them.

    I take absolutely no joy in this particular verdict, because Bill Cosby was one of my childhood TV idols. I freely admit that I really didn't want to believe the stories about him when the scandal first broke. So, I find this to be a very sad day.

    But that said, and given the totality of similar accusations that ultimately piled up against Cosby which were offered by some 55 women in all, I also think that today's guilty verdict was fair and just. Shame on him.



    It is very sad (none / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:32:27 PM EST
    on the other hand, the wake up call that these power-abusing guys are getting was way way overdue..

    I was listening to an old interview with Shirley Temple not long ago, and she talked about walking into a producer's office when she was 12 and the guy exposing himself to her. The fact that she was still, after so many decades, reticent to mention the guy's name gives you an idea of the reign of terror atmosphere some of those schmucks and their enablers instilled.


    Just effin amazing. (none / 0) (#155)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:11:19 PM EST
    Imagine, a studio exec exposing himself to a 12-year-old Shirley Temple. And meanwhile, over at MGM studios across town, Irving Feelgood, M.D. was handing a bottle of barbiturates to 14-year-old Judy Garland after a long and difficult day on the set, in order that she could wind down and sleep that evening after being plied all afternoon with amphetamines, which finally enabled her to complete that extended song-and-dance number in only one take.

    Yep, reform of the entertainment industry is long overdue.


    I was never a big Cosby fan (none / 0) (#147)
    by McBain on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 06:30:47 PM EST
    I thought the Cosby Show was overrated.  But I am fan of our justice system.  As far as I know, the jury did the right thing and based their decision on the evidence presented. I'm not so sure about the judge.  I agreed with the decision in the previous trial not to allow as many accusers to testify as this trial.  

    Speaking for myself only, ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 03:08:56 PM EST
    Los Angeles Times | April 25, 2018
    Supreme Court seems headed toward upholding Trump's third try at a travel ban - "The Supreme Court's conservative justices sounded ready Wednesday to uphold President Trump's travel ban as a national security measure. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said federal law gives the president, not the courts, the power to weigh threats from immigrants."

    ... I think it's merely a matter of time before the judicial legacy of the Roberts Court is forever soiled by its very own Dred Scott-like decision, particularly when four of the justices appear to have their own agenda, and are resolutely determined to not see the forest for the trees.


    Judge Kennedy is conflicted. (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 03:28:09 PM EST
    And Kagan is giving him (none / 0) (#19)
    by Towanda on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:26:03 PM EST
    a good argument, I read, tha may bring him around.

    ... if the people presently being targeted by the Trump administration for exclusion on the basis of their religion were Jews.

    Was in Ft. Worth (none / 0) (#3)
    by MKS on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 03:15:01 PM EST
    and saw gazillions of Beto yard signs and bumper stickers.  Nothing about Cruz.

    The Dems in Texas believe.  We'll see how it turns out.

    As a former long term resident (none / 0) (#7)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 04:28:33 PM EST
    of Fort Worth, that is good to hear. Being a statewide election, those cockamamie gerrymandered districts won't fall into play. I lived barely a mile outside downtown Fort Worth, in largely Hispanic neighborhood, yet was in a congressional district comprised mostly of rural residents of Denton County to the north. They had drawn a long finger into eastern Fort Worth to put slice of that Hispanic area into a largely white rural district. So our votes virtually didn't count and of course we had no representation by anyone from Tarrant county or the city of Fort Worth.

    I think it's a good indication that no one, anywhere, really like Ted Cruz.


    Loved downtown (none / 0) (#82)
    by MKS on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:32:06 PM EST
    and Trinity River Trail system that winds around downtown.

    A longstanding series of cold cases ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 03:45:37 PM EST
    ... in California that were all related to an individual known for decades initially as the "East Area Rapist," and then later as the "Golden State Killer" as his crime spree spread southward from its original Sacramento-area locale, appears to have been finally solved.

    Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Shubert announced the arrest of former Auburn, CA police officer Joseph James DeAngelo, 72, after a DNA sample came back as a match to the elusive suspect in at least 12 homicides and 45 rapes throughout California in the 1970s and '80s.

    The search for the Golden State Killer recently received renewed public interest thanks to the true-crime book "I'll Be Gone In The Dark" by the late Michelle McNamara, who died suddenly before finishing it. Her widower, comedian Patton Oswalt, took it upon himself to ensure completion of his wife's book, which was finally published in February of this year.

    Let's hope that today's news marks the long-waited first step in a much-needed process of healing and closure for the many victims and their families who were terrorized by this serial killer / rapist.


    I'm very sceptical he did it. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 05:40:27 PM EST
    I think we should all wait till all the facts are in before rushing to judgement.



    Dunno Chuck (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:22:54 AM EST
    That story sure makes it sound like they have him.

    All news stories at the time of an arrest (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:50:08 AM EST
    are controlled and manipulated by coming from a single, biased and interested source, the police. The first story always makes it sound like "they have him." Keep an open mind.

    Of course I have an open mind (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:51:52 AM EST
    But it sounds like they have him.

    I would be curious (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:54:07 AM EST
    Why Chuck or others doubt it's him given what's reported.

    Given we all have an open mind, etc.

    What facts supports this?


    I think Chuck was being sarcastic (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:56:43 AM EST
    parodying another commentor..

    Bazinga! (none / 0) (#60)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 11:02:48 AM EST
    Chuck has a snark tag at the end of his comment. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:06:45 AM EST

    Sorry chuck (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:08:04 AM EST
    Before rushing to judgement (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:20:55 AM EST
    we should ask ourselves what all those homocide and rape victims had to gain..

    Seriously though, it's not like the state has never gotten the wrong person  and convicted them through the media.


    The many crimes attributed to the Golden State Killer were generally pretty heinous in nature. On at least six occasions, after breaking into a couple's home, he tied up the husband and compelled him to watch as he raped his wife. In other instances, he would later call his rape victims on the phone well after the crime occurred, and threaten to return and kill them.

    In one instance, he also placed the immobilized husband on his stomach and then set a pile of dinner plates on his buttocks, threatening to cut the wife's throat if any of the plates fell on the floor. And three times, he proceeded to bludgeon the couple to death after he finished having his way with the wife. Then he robbed their house.

    As always, of course, the burden is entirely on the prosecution to proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt. So in that regard I'll be keeping an open mind, as you rightly cautioned us.

    That said, I'm also hoping that the authorities really got this guy, and aren't just throwing a Hail Mary in hopes that the defendant will fold. Because given the fact that these dozens of cases have been open for three-plus decades, there will only be a further compounding of an already longstanding injustice if it turns out that the police have arrested and prosecutors have charged the wrong man. That would be a nightmare scenario for victims and their families who are seeking a long belated closure.



    Everyone is innocent until proved otherwise. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:17:06 PM EST
    But that said, I would also caution people to not simply assume that the authorities suddenly leaped to conclusions here in a mad dash to close these cases after 32 years on the books. (The last crime attributed to the Golden State Killer was the rape and murder of Janelle Cruz on May 4, 1986.)

    There's likely some pretty compelling evidence that eventually led local, state and federal investigators to Mr. DeAngelo's doorstep. Specifically, he's presently being held at Sacramento County Jail per the request of Ventura County authorities for the rape / murder of Charlene Smith and the murder of her husband Lyman, which occurred in Ventura, CA on March 13, 1980.

    We'll see what happens. We need to be cognizant that the crimes allegedly committed by the East  Area Rapist / Golden State Killer all took place  during the 10-year period between June 18, 1976 and May 4, 1986. That was a long time ago, and memories will have faded, witnesses passed away and perhaps even physical evidence lost in the intervening three decades.



    Cohen takes the 5th (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 05:56:23 PM EST
    On Stormy and Rudy talks to Mueller and then Post.



    Not sure (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 06:19:04 PM EST
    what Rudy's goal is here or what exactly he expects to accomplish. Does he think he can talk Trump into testifying or that he can get Mueller to change his mind about having Trump testify?

    I would think at some point Mueller is going to more forward with the obstruction report whether Trump talks to him or not.


    IMO (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 06:22:00 PM EST
    His goal is to be in the nooze

    It's long been said the most dangerous place in NY is between Rudy and a camera or Mic  


    Against my better judgement (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 06:20:08 PM EST
    I admit I'm starting to like Ronny Jackson.

    If for no other reason that he is making this administration look laughably incompetent and hypocritical.

    Let's execute drug dealers and make "The Candyman" head of the VA.

    Even Huckabee (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 07:43:38 PM EST
    seems stunned for words these days.

    Maybe they caught him on video. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:40:14 PM EST
    Dadler poetry, been awhile, indulge me (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 06:29:56 PM EST
    "48 (H)our Art Die-Eye-It"

    Day 1)
    De hazazy bututterfly assending
    Ease a jagagged bananawing
    Clambambering intintoo mudrain
    Uppsing thee blurrious mounountain

    Day 2)
    0rgorganized sculpulptures gathither
    S-caping airpairports dropdripping acacid,
    Harmarmless artisticles breakaching fur-re:
    Lose-oozing dare marbles, marballs...run!

    MY HOUSE tonight on Viceland (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 07:23:41 PM EST
    it has been almost 30 years since the release of the seminal film "Paris Is Burning," which documented New York's House and Ball community in the 1980s. Interconnected in the narrative were the triumphs and struggles of the performers who electrified the floor during balls. While they vogued with unparalleled precision and vitality, these mostly low-income LGBTQ people of color also had to reckon with oppression. They were largely marginalized, if not shunned completely, from mainstream society.

    But the underground balls were an outlet of reclamation, voguing a medium of communication and agency. "You can have a whole conversation with voguing without even saying a word," prominent ballroom commentator Precious Ebony tells Salon. "It's a form of storytelling."

    The powerful story of this subculture created for and by LGBTQ people of color lives on in the new series "My House," which premieres Wednesday night on Viceland. "My House" follows a new generation of ballroom stars who provide an "insider's guide" to New York's current, hyper-competitive scene. Houses, which form the organizational structure of the community, are surrogate families who adopt a house name as their surname. They include a "house mother," "house father" and "children."

    I found this on NETFLIX.  Never heard of it.   Really good.  Great cast.

    Kate Beckinsale as Lady (Eliza) Graves[3]
    Jim Sturgess as Edward Newgate[4]
    Michael Caine as Dr. Benjamin Salt[5]
    Ben Kingsley as Dr. Silas Lamb[5]
    David Thewlis as Mickey Finn[6]
    Brendan Gleeson as The Alienist[6]
    Sinéad Cusack as Mrs. Pike[7]
    Sophie Kennedy Clark as Millie[7]
    Christopher Fulford as Paxton[7]
    Jason Flemyng as Swanwick

    The Wire (none / 0) (#18)
    by coast on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:19:38 PM EST
    Just starting season 4 of The Wire.  Seems much slower than the previous 3 seasons.  Stick with it or skip to season 5?

    Stick with it (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:36:45 PM EST



    Stick with it. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:39:29 PM EST
    Keep meaning to re-watch the series; thanks for reminding me.

    Currently, halfway through Season 2 of Bosch, on Amazon Prime Video.  Been reading the Michael Connelly books for years, and am pretty happy that the series is living up to them.


    Titus Welliver (none / 0) (#25)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 08:57:45 PM EST
    does play a good Harry Bosch. I've read most of Connelly's books.

    Definitely stick with it. (none / 0) (#26)
    by caseyOR on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 09:03:44 PM EST
    Your perseverance will be rewarded.

    Scott Pruitt (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 25, 2018 at 09:06:02 PM EST
    Testifies tomorrow in two different open hearings.

    Make sure you have popcorn.

    So, Jackson's out, much to (none / 0) (#30)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 07:18:25 AM EST
    Scott Pruitt's chagrin, probably.  More attention on him at the Senate hearings today.

    I don't even want to think about who gets nominated for the VA now...

    They were going to have to (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 07:56:44 AM EST
    Take testimony from active duty military, and based on what we read that was offered anonymously so far, it was going to get much worse.

    And some low ranking medic outed the White House medical unit. The unit isn't getting their meds from Walter Reed. There is no "inventory" of that medical unit's meds that anyone can actually audit. I don't know when that unit began ordering and receiving their medications outside the Walter Reed system and why, but someone needs to ask.


    I was wondering whether (none / 0) (#35)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:47:48 AM EST
    the White House physicians department administers a drug and alcohol treatment and rehab program for White House staff that may need it. If so, has their chief been offered the services of that program?

    Jackson has access through the Navy (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:54:48 AM EST
    That requires admitting he has a problem though.

    Ft Rucker kept General Sinclair in place and I don't know if he ever received treatment. The whole post knew the General had a drinking problem. The MPs pulled him over and drove him home drunk all the time. Nobody would acknowledge General Sinclair was out of control until a posted YouTube video exposed him unable to stand for colors at the beginning of a military ball.


    I would take issue (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:05:29 AM EST
    With the idea that because he gets drunk he has a problem.  Lots of people get drunk.  I get drunk.  I do not think I have a problem.  Except with people who think it's a problem.

    Should you drive drunk?  Of course not.  Do .millions of people not considered to have a problem do it every day?  Yes.

    This guy has gotten great reviews and promotions and suggestions of promotions from several presidents.  Personally from Obama.

    If we want to talk about assuming innocence we might try with Jackson.  IMO more so that the alleged Golden State Killer.

    There are stories about political clashes in his part of the white house.  Who knows.  

    I am happy to say he should never be in and should never have been nominated for that position.

    I am not willing to say he has a problem because he drinks.


    It isn't that he gets drunk that (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:59:10 AM EST
    indicates he may have a problem, it's that it appears he gets drunk when it is not appropriate to do so.  

    And is the behavior he is being accused of exhibiting connected to the drinking?  Methinks it could be.

    It's also possible, probably even likely, that he was also self-medicating with drugs during those times when he couldn't have booze on his breath, or get caught with a bottle.  

    If the guy has a problem, I feel bad for him - but the last thing the country needs is to have someone with an alcohol/drug problem, who doesn't have the experience needed for the job, at the helm of the 2nd largest government bureaucracy that is responsible for the health and well-being of the nation's veterans.

    We are still a country where people can hide their problems behind the mantle of rank and power, and those who come forward with their concerns are treated with disfavor.


    Pretty much what I said (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:01:56 AM EST
    He should never have been nominated.

    Does he have "a problem"?  He might.  We don't know that.  


    But I can tell you this (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:04:06 AM EST
    From my own personal experience with a few doctors

    If we locked up every doctor who self prescribed there would be very few doctors


    My doctor grandfather (none / 0) (#59)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:56:28 AM EST
    was a little like Russ Tamblyn's character in Twin Peaks. Self-medicating like an mfer, as a Shakespeare would say..

    A good man though.


    Jackson's press conference about Tr*mp's (none / 0) (#53)
    by vml68 on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:11:25 AM EST
    physical was Exhibit A, for "he may have a problem".

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:20:27 AM EST
    A different sort of problem.

    Let me be clear I don't think this guy is Doctor Zorba.

    I simply refuse to jump on the temperance league bandwagon.  I know to many drunks and pill poppers.  Some of whom are doctors btw

    As a aside, if I was a doctor I would consider self prescribing a deserved perk.


    As long as the self prescribers don't get caught (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:55:29 AM EST
    They all know what risks they are taking.

    Dr Ronnie got caught. You don't walk up and down a plane handing out Ambien and provigil without consultations.

    They are both controlled substances, and since both of our family soldiers are pilots they have had access to Ambien and Provigil in combat. So talk of those drugs being used aren't new to me.

    They are both schedule IV controlled substances though. And regular active duty military can't even have a regular script for Ambien anymore. If they must use it regularly they have to put in their paperwork to retire or they are forced out. They can only be prescribed 30 days of Ambien for temporary sleep disturbance right now.


    Yes, maybe Doc Ronny (none / 0) (#182)
    by KeysDan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:20:19 PM EST
    was seeing double and cut Trump's weight in half, getting that 239 lbs.  And, things seem taller in his rear Admiral mirror.   Today, Trump is calling for Senator Tester (D. MT) to resign for checking up on Doc Ronny.  

    I don't know where he served at in Iraq (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:16:11 AM EST
    But it is entirely possible he suffers from PTSD too. I see private physicians here, but some of the active duty doctors who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be clearly suffering.

    One of the last physicians I saw at Lyster Army hospital normally deployed with SOCOM. My shoulder was going through some weird stuff that now seems to have had something to do hormone fluctuations and menopause, but at the time it was a puzzle.

    This poor doctor could not sit still, and he could not finish his sentences to me either. He had great ideas about what could be happening, but since he could not finish his thoughts I never fully understood what they were.

    He also tried, like any SOCOM physician worth their salt, to explain some muscle isolating weight lifting that would likely improve my shoulder pain. I'll be darned if I could understand his directions on that either.

    I really liked him though, and wow do I think that guy has insane PTSD.


    You don't get subordinates posted (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:23:47 AM EST
    To the White House medical unit saying the things the subordinates have said in such numbers Capt unless you are a royal phucker.

    They are the top of their specific MOS. They all had to display exceptional professionalism to even be considered.

    And the White House should be a career pinnacle for all of them. It sounds like many of them were miserable. He had PAs writing each other prescriptions and he pocketed the drugs from those prescriptions. He is their senior rater. He can destroy them and their career with a wave of his pen.

    This guy is horribly unethical and destroys people under him.

    As for drinking, does anyone drink more than the military? You can't be drunk on the job, and soldiering can be a 24 hr a day job. Jackson's job is one of those jobs.

    When we visited my brother-in-law in Germany, this family parties, but when it was during the week one of us got to watch everyone else, and it was the General! He was on duty 24 hrs sometimes even in his own home.

    Military life isn't for everyone. That is why it comes with the benefits it does. Because of what is required.


    Sort of remarkable (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:32:28 AM EST
    He became an Admiral with so many great job reviews.  

    I repeat, I believe - and others do as well, some of the attacks on him stem from political clashes at the work environment.  

    Many former white house workers have said the pill thing was very common, has long been common, and everyone knew it.

    Is he a saint, no.


    But it isn't remarkable (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:43:17 AM EST
    The best physicians, the brightest physicians, they don't become military physicians Capt. We all know this.

    MDs are very hard to come by in the military, so they receive star treatment. And troubling conduct is swept in the rug often because they can't afford to lose them.

    The Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan is a perfect example of this.


    And no....nobody (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:46:42 AM EST
    Is ordering PAs to fill scripts that they then pocket.

    There is NO WAY there isn't already an existing protocol to ethically provide traveling government officials with Ambien and Provigil to overcome jet lag. And it does not involve PAs having to obey illegal orders.


    AND the privilege of military leaders (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 09:37:03 AM EST
    Posted to the White House can hide staggering wrong doing. W Bush and Obama had horrible sexual harassment and assault happening to its posted female Marines by its posted male Marines. Neither President and their immediate staff had a clue what was going on  

    Doctor (none / 0) (#32)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:06:13 AM EST
    OZ, I suppose, and the worst part it would fit into the "normality" of this WH. I really hope I am joking but I can't be sure.

    We won't have The Candyman (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 08:21:43 AM EST
    To kick around any more

    Only Trump would be stupid enough (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 11:04:29 AM EST
    To promote the candyman out of the White House. How does he think any of his staff finds the intestinal fortitude to show up to work every day?

    At least they can still sneak off to a marijuana "event". That's gotta be the only way Trump staffers are surviving. Lots of edibles. If DC dries up, who knows who goes postal?


    why now (none / 0) (#86)
    by thomas rogan on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:52:52 PM EST
    If the candyman were so bad in every way, why did no one say anything until now?  

    Why didn't anyone listen to all (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 04:04:00 PM EST
    The raped soldiers in 2006? I don't know. Some things people just don't want to know until they have no other choice. Military history is full of officers whose scumbagginess didn't catch with them for years though.

    Are (none / 0) (#88)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 03:20:28 PM EST
    you kidding me, everyone loves the candyman... until someone narcs him out, tRump's idiotic nomination virtually assured his outing.  

    Interesting (none / 0) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 10:33:18 AM EST
    Former Trump campaign manager and administration official Steve Bannon ordered Cambridge Analytica staff to test messaging around Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian expansion in 2014, Cambridge Analytica whisteblower Christopher Wylie told House Democrats this week.

    "It was the only foreign issue, or foreign leader, I should say, being tested at the time I was there," Wylie told Democrats from the House judiciary and oversight committees, according to excerpts the lawmakers released today drawn from a Tuesday briefing with Wylie. Under Bannon's instruction, the firm discussed Putin with focus groups and was "also testing images of Vladimir Putin and asking questions about Russian expansion in Eastern Europe," Wylie said.


    Marylanders? Are the hummingbirds here yet? (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 12:55:10 PM EST
    I've had my feeder out for a week. No takers. Robins and everyone else here, even a few blue jays.

    Mine are out now too... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by desertswine on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:52:13 PM EST
    but no takers yet also.

    Haven't seen any yet, but we (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:13:19 PM EST
    generally don't see that many.  In a way, it makes seeing them feel a little more magical!

    We haven't (none / 0) (#85)
    by Zorba on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:47:36 PM EST
    Put out a hummingbird feeder for some years, and certainly not since our neighbors had their feeder stolen by a black bear who came right up next to their house and swipe it.  Yea, she saw the bear do it.
    The only time I see them is when we have flowering plants hanging from our porch, or flowering plants in the garden, and it's too soon for those.
    We're just now, in the last two weeks, getting some jonquils up.
    Hey, you've been here, you know how far up the mountain we are.

    My surprises in the yard turned out to be (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 03:58:46 PM EST
    Jonquils. Lots. They lasted for about 2 weeks too. The heat of today did finally retire most of them.

    Did you ever notice (none / 0) (#136)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 02:15:33 PM EST
    that they sound almost exactly like the light sabres in Star Wars when they fly close to your ear?

    Or when they fight (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 05:11:03 PM EST
    With each other.

    I did like how long they nested in Alabama. They could raise as many as three nest fulls a season there. The snakes destroy so many bird nests I tried to give hummingbirds all the help I could


    Good for you (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 06:38:19 PM EST
    Yeah, I'd heard they can be super aggressive, but hadn't seen an example of it until one day one when I saw two of them charge full-speed and clash their little beaks together like jousting knights.

    They used to mess with our cats on the window sill, once they figured out the cats couldn't get them through the screen.


    Another thing to think about (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 06:57:41 PM EST
    hummingbirds don't coexist well with yellow jackets. You'd think hummingbirds could handle them easily, but in fact once yellow jackets, which can super-aggressive, have zeroed in on a hummingbird feeder, they tend to drive the hummingbirds away. I wittnessed it firsthand. It got so bad that I finally traced the yellow jackets back to their hole and got rid of the nest.

    Funniest tweet (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 01:03:03 PM EST
    Eddie Murphy is phoning Bill Cosby right now to discuss his swearing

    Harvey must be (none / 0) (#79)
    by CST on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:02:37 PM EST
    P*ssing himself right now.

    I missed it--can a lawyer please clarify? (none / 0) (#84)
    by thomas rogan on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:47:02 PM EST
    I googled this:
    "As originally drafted, Rule 609 was the result of an elaborate political debate and compromise in the courts, the House, the Senate, and the Conference Committee. It is also an example of the evidence rules taking their own ostensible logic too seriously. Rule 609 held that the only reason for introducing prior convictions is for their probative value on the question of whether the defendant (who has taken the stand) is a liar. This logic played itself out in a categorization of crimes that supposedly reflect on the criminal's honesty as opposed to crimes that show his other qualities but do not relate to honesty.

    Impeachment by prior crimes could alternatively be viewed as a practical counterbalance to the fifth amendment, allowing the prosecution minimal latitude in telling the factfinder about the background of a defendant who chooses to step out from behind the shield of the fifth amendment to assert his innocence. The defendant with a criminal record is thereby prevented from presenting himself to the jury as naively innocent. Many courts harbor this view of Rule 609."

    So how can Cosby's other accusers be allowed to testify if Cosby himself did not take the stand?

    You are referring to a debate in the process (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 02:58:52 PM EST
    of drafting the Federal Rules of Evidence that occurred in 1973-1975. Cosby's trial was not held in federal court, so those rules do not apply. He was tried in a Pennsylvania state court, under the Pennsylvania Rules of Evidence, adopted in 1998. See in particular Pa.R.Evid. 404(b). Too complicated to say more, as far as I'm concerned.

    Grassley does it (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 05:27:26 PM EST
    Not a coincidence I think (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 05:55:13 PM EST
    The vote came just hours after Trump told Fox News that while he is staying out of the Russia investigation, he may "change" that approach at some point in the future.

    McConnell has stated he will not allow (none / 0) (#108)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:53:53 AM EST
    a vote on the Senate floor. Waste of committee time.

    I think Mitch could (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:10:08 AM EST
    Rethink.  So do the republicans on the committee

    That said (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:13:55 AM EST
    It would not pass the house and needless to say Trump would not sign it.

    I don't think that was the point.  I think the point was to lay down a marker.

    Even the ones on the committee who voted against it made it very clear interfering with the investigation would be the end of his presidency.

    You can believe that or not.

    I believe it.

    It's to far.  There is to much on the record.  He may try.  It won't end well for him.


    Well (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:25:24 AM EST
    To lay down a marker and to have a piece of legislation out of the relevant committee on a heavily bipartisan vote (14-7) that can be taken up at a moment's notice.

    Also they took care to address the parts some were say I were unconstitutional.

    We are in the end game.  Last quarter. 8th inning


    Interesting (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 26, 2018 at 05:33:34 PM EST
    I'm conflicted

    he Daily Beast has suspended Joy-Ann Reid's column following allegations that the prominent political commentator made homophobic remarks on her now-defunct blog a decade ago. Reid, who claims the offensive content is the work of hackers, will remain on air as a host of MSNBC's weekend morning program "AM Joy."

    Noah Shachtman, executive editor of The Daily Beast, sent a memo to the outlet's staff Wednesday announcing the decision. "We're going to hit pause on Reid's columns," the memo said. The news was first reported by CNN's Oliver Darcy.

    MSNBC host Joy-Ann Reid claims her blog was "compromised" after alleged anti-gay posts surface

    She opens addressing this (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 08:48:19 AM EST
    It's a bit odd.  She says "I really believe I did not write these posts".  Wouldn't you know?

    I happy to let the water be under the bridge.  But the statement was odd.

    I know people and their views evolve.  We want that.  But the statement was odd.

    I still like Joy and a lot of the stuff is IMO pretty much of a nothing burger.  Honestly like something I might say.   Other things not so much.

    Some of it was quite vile.  We all let our mouth get away from us sometimes.  I'm ready to move on and do any required judging going forward.  

    Yes, sometimes judging is required.


    TRUST on FX (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 07:39:50 AM EST
    I had been recording this but there has been so much good tv I had not gotten around to it.

    I just watched the first episode.  It's very good.
    Different and possibly better than the recent film.

    There have been five episodes (I think) I'm sure you can stream them from the FX app.

    'Trust' Bosses Have Three-Season Plan for FX Getty Drama

    Trust is inspired by the actual events surrounding the disappearance of the teen grandson to J. Paul Getty Sr. (played by Donald Sutherland) and heir to the Getty oil fortune, and takes place in 1973. During the course of 10 episodes, the drama will take a deep dive into the complex kidnapping and the reasons why the richest man in the world refused to pay a multimillion-dollar ransom, which he could certainly afford, in order to return his grandson to safety.

    Led by Sutherland as the Getty patriarch, the stellar cast includes Hilary Swank, who plays the mother of the missing boy, Gail Getty, and Brendan Fraser, who steps in as Getty's security chief, James Fletcher Chace, also the show's narrator. (Those roles were played by Christopher Plummer, Michelle Williams and Mark Wahlberg, respectively, in Ridley Scott's recent big-screen telling, All the Money in the World.) But Trust also widens out as an ensemble to bring Paul Getty III (Harris Dickinson) and his father J. Paul Getty Jr. (Michael Esper), as well as other members of the Getty family and girlfriends of Getty Sr., into the fold.

    2 episodes (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:20:59 AM EST
    This is really good.  The episodes are long.  

    I loved what Christopher Plummer did.  Donald Sutherland is better.


    Sorry for going on about this (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 11:58:47 AM EST
    But if you liked the film or even if you didn't you should be watching.

    It's very different.  The film was a grim humorless slog.  The series is not.  There is a lot of dark humor.  Really good dark humor.
    You get to meet JPGsr live in harem of competing girlfriends.  You see people using the payphone he has in his mansion for guests.  Donald has fun playing the humorless tyrant and you have fun watching him.

    'Trust' Cast, Creators Break Down Differences With `All the Money in the World

    Both projects explore the kidnapping of John Paul Getty III, heir to the Getty fortune, and the attempts by his mother to get him back safely. One of the chief differences is that in the film, the young Getty is shown to be a victim, whereas in the series he enacts a fake kidnapping in order to get money from his grandfather.

    Series writer and executive producer Simon Beaufoy said that take on the story came from research into Getty's story. "It became clear reading between the lines that he actually kidnapped himself," he said. "It was a hoax gone wrong...He'd run up a debt, quite a large debt, and couldn't repay it."

    Not that it will come as much of a surprise, (none / 0) (#109)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:54:40 AM EST
    but House Intel Committee - well, Devin Nunes, I suspect, anyway - has officially cleared Trump campaign of any collusion with Russia.

    The Republican-led House intelligence committee on Friday officially cleared the Trump campaign of colluding with Russia in the 2016 presidential campaign, releasing its final report over Democratic objections and ending its probe.

    They (none / 0) (#114)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:37:48 AM EST
    did uncover this little nugget
    Specifically, the report claims that both Flynn and his son, Michael Flynn Jr., met with former Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak at his private residence in early December of 2015 -- just two months before Flynn would formally join the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser.
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    What's more, the report says that Flynn Jr. sent an email to the Russian embassy after the meeting that described it as "very productive."

    Very Productive?

    Of course the committee apllied due diligence here,

    the report says that investigators did not reach out to the Flynns to learn the nature of this meeting because both of them had made clear their "intent to assert their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination."

    Comey - "A Higher Loyalty" (none / 0) (#115)
    by RickyJim on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:55:35 AM EST
    This book is definitely worth a read (or a listen to the audiobook read by the author).  Its contents have not been described well by the excerpts and headlines which concentrate on the final Chapters 11-14 where the  Clinton email investigation and interaction with President Trump are discussed.  Its message packs a bigger punch than Wolff's "Fire and Fury."  I will concentrate here on what I learned that I found interesting.

    James Comey was born in Yonkers, NY in 1960 and when he was around 10 his family moved to northern New Jersey where he was bullied as a chubby teenager.  He tells us that he didn't have his growth spurt to his 6'8" until after high school. He decided early that he wanted to fight bullies especially after he participated in a incident, while a freshman at William and Mary, in which the dorm room of an eccentric student was trashed.  He also is very hard on liars so is still apologetic about the years he told associates, when asked, that he played basketball in college in order not have to go into why he didn't.  He received his JD from the University of Chicago but does not discuss his years there in the book.  He is of Irish descent but apparently a Protestant since the non biblical quotes are from MLK, Luther and Martin Niemoller.  Also he majored in Chemistry and Religion as a premed student at William and Mary, a Protestant school.  He tells us he didn't vote in the last presidential election but his wife and daughters voted for Clinton.  He doesn't mention for whom his surviving son Brien voted.  

    There is a good account of the headline cases he was involved in in his years as a federal legal official. As an Assistant Federal Prosecutor in NYC, in private practice, Chief Federal Prosecutor of the New York Office, Assistant Attorney General, Director of the FBI, he dealt with Cosa Nostra (bosses there and loyalty pledges were a foreshadow of his later experience with Trump), death of Vince Foster, Martha Stewart, Scooter Libby, argument with Cheney/Addington about surveillance and torture programs (famous incident by Ashcroft's hospital bed; Addington was another example of an extreme bully) and of course the Clinton emails.  

    The latter is the most controversial aspect of his career up to now.  I don't find the defense of his actions all that convincing.  He uses the word "transparency" over and over to describe his goal for the FBI during the investigation.  I guess that means clarity.  But what clarity to whom and why?  There are several articles on the Lawfare blog that dissect Comey's statements in this matter.  The basic criticism is that the FBI is an investigative agency and should just deal in the facts.  It was up to his superiors Sally Yates and Loretta Lynch to decide on whether or not there should be a prosecution.  Why the heck was Comey the one in front of Congress and cameras three times to tell the status of the investigation during the election season?  He cites the report on the Michael Brown case in Ferguson Missouri as a precedent.  However, that was issued by the Justice Department, not the FBI, and was a detailed review of the evidence collected by the FBi and why DOJ did not think prosecution of Officer Darren Wilson was warranted.  No such report was issued in the Clinton emails case.

    On the other hand, Lawfare says the Rosenstein firing memo suffered a similar defect.  If Comey was believed to have handled the matter incorrectly, the Inspector General of the DOJ should be the one to issue a report.  My understanding is that there is such an investigation going on at present.  My two cents is that the close connection between investigation and prosecution is a defect of the US justice system.  There should be an Investigative Judge collecting the evidence from investigators and deciding if the case should be referred to prosecutors.  

    An excellent review. (none / 0) (#140)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 03:19:17 PM EST
    I, too, found the book to be more than advertised in the sense that it covered so much more than the Clinton emails and the Trump firing.  Although, his earlier autobiography component is his foundation to later events and his reactions to them.  He does gloss over his University of Chicago law education, while spending more time on his undergraduate and secondary education. And, he seems sensitive to being called the "torture guy", as cautioned by his wife, Patrice. He leaves that to Cheney and Addington.

    Comey is a good writer, and, as a part of that, a good observer of events.  That factor explains, and counters, those criticisms that he was "catty" in descriptions of Trump (e.g., his coiffed hair that must take a long time to do; his orange skin with google marks around the eyes).  His powers of observation were a part of his training and his being.

     His  re-telling of A.G. Ashcroft's hospital room encounter with Andrew Card and Alberto Gonzales was riveting even though we know the outcome--- although I did not quite get the reason for calling out the battalions of FBI agents as backup support.

    Comey's book fails spectacularly in the explanation of his initial actions on Mrs. Clinton, and, worse, the actions just prior to the election.  Probably, because it was an epic failure of good judgment and there is not much that can be said to make it better.  Comey served the country well in many ways, but did more than a disservice to any ideas of higher loyalty. He, and the country, now must live with the consequences of his egregious behaviors.


    Tom Brokaw (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 11:32:47 AM EST
    Speaking only for me,  this is unsurprising.

    Brokaw is a pompous ass.  His time has passed.  Go into the light.

    NBC's Tom Brokaw denies allegation of sexual impropriety in 1990s: reports

    Tom Brokaw came out to play tennis (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by fishcamp on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 11:58:19 AM EST
    At my Aspen house years ago after traveling all day.  We went up to the house for a beer and he passed out face down on the couch.  I threw a blanket on him, went to town for dinner, came home, and he hadn't moved.  He woke up in the middle of the night and didn't know where he was.  I heard him bashing around and got him squared away on the couch again.  We played tennis the next morning and I never saw him again.

    How many gallons was the beer, lol? (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 12:08:47 PM EST
    This may sound uncharitable of me, but I've never understood why - or how - someone with such a pronounced speech impediment had any business being an on-air reporter/anchor.  

    Drives me nuts to listen to him mangle any word with the letter "L" in it.


    We were on our second beer (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by fishcamp on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:56:08 PM EST
    when Tom did his face plant on my couch.  Aspen is at the 8,000' level of altitude and. he had come from NYC at sea level.  The top of the Aspen Mtn. ski area is 12,000' and people drop all the time.  I became the director of photography several times on different tv commercials we were shooting on the mountain when the bosses started fainting and had to be taken down.  Those NYC and LA guys never heeded my info about not drinking booze at altitude.  My career went up while theirs went down.  Nothing was live back in the days of film, so they never really knew what we cameramen shot whether they were with us or not.  Guess I usually got the shots since I stayed very busy.

    Sounds like a fun dude... (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:29:20 PM EST
    who just plays a pompous arse on television:)

    By "squared away" do you mean you got him a fresh beer?


    Awsum (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 12:01:24 PM EST
    Really? (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 11:39:27 AM EST
    Yeah, he may have committed the (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 12:04:24 PM EST
    unpardonable sin of mentioning the, uh, less fortunate (and by "less fortunate" I don't mean "rich people who think they need more tax cuts").

    The only possible rationale Conroy could identify is a prayer he delivered the day that the House was marking up the GOP tax bill.

    "May all members be mindful that the institutions and structures of our great nation guarantee the opportunities that have allowed some to achieve great success, while others continue to struggle," he prayed then. "May their efforts these days guarantee that there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans."

    Father Conroy's (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by KeysDan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 11:15:38 AM EST
    thoughts and prayers for all Americans was a cardinal, but not his only sin.  It seems there has been some uneasiness among Republican members of Congress in having a Catholic priest as chaplain, and worse, a Jesuit, who knows things.

     Anti-abortion/anti-contraceptive fervor is the glue that holds Evangelicals and Catholics together---and that binder is only as strong as homemade craft paste.

    It was left to Paul Ryan, a Catholic, to do the dirty deed in his final months as Speaker, with hope of blunting any anti-Catholic motivations.  A task undermined by Congressman Walker's (a Baptist minister) advocacy for a clergyman of any denomination so long as he is married with adult children.  Ryan is, in the process, setting himself up for his next job, lobbying his Republican colleagues. He will leave in good stead.

    Of course, this discussion begs the question of whether there should be an official chaplain on the Congressional payroll. While Father Conroy's $17l,000 annual salary with not dent the $trillion deficits, it would reduce the risk of offending the Constitution.  

     If Congress really wants some prayerful leadership to open sessions, why couldn't they just extend an invitation to the Evangelicals favorite vessel of God, Trump.


    Completely agree (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 11:20:00 AM EST
    The very idea of a congressional chaplin is misguided at best and possibly flys in the face of the separation of CandS

    Charles Pierce was quoting John Adams on the subject.  He agreed with us.


    Captain, O.T. (none / 0) (#174)
    by KeysDan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 11:39:26 AM EST
    noted today an unintended rating of a comment of yours;  do not know how that happened....a finger slip on the iphone?  anyway, regrets.

    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 11:44:14 AM EST
    That's funny

    What does a 3 mean anyway?


    I can say what a "3" means to me (none / 0) (#179)
    by Peter G on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 12:59:31 PM EST
    To me, it means "Some very good points, which I agree with and am glad you made, but at least one other point in the same comment that I sharply disagree with, or which is gratuitously nasty or unnecessarily insulting and personal to the commenter you were replying to."

    I believe you can always change a rating (none / 0) (#180)
    by Peter G on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:01:25 PM EST
    that you entered, just by going back to the comment and entering a new rating.

    I also agree with you, Cap'n (none / 0) (#181)
    by Peter G on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 01:03:50 PM EST
    but there is a U.S. Supreme Court case that says otherwise. Which doesn't make us wrong, of course.

    Part of a pattern for Ryan (none / 0) (#125)
    by Towanda on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 12:23:35 PM EST
    Back home in Janesville, he couldn't fire his parish priest, who sermonized for social justice. So Ryan ledt the parish and found another, more conservative priest more to his liking.

    Fyi for nom-Catholics: Parish-hopping is frowned upon for Catholics.


    Jesus Shrugged (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:04:46 PM EST
    would be a great title for a book about today's conservative movement.

    The next headline I want to read (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by Zorba on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:10:50 PM EST
    Is "Paul Ryan excommunicated by Pope Francis for consorting with the devil."

    I don't think so, Zorba. (none / 0) (#157)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:25:51 PM EST
    Ryan will just go Pope-shopping instead. Right-wing conservative asshats like Ross Douthat - speaking with the fervor of a converted Catholic - are already urging fellow conservative Catholics to not listen to Francis, who's much too liberal for their tastes.

    These people have lost their cotton-pickin' minds.


    I don't understand (none / 0) (#163)
    by linea on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 10:19:38 PM EST
    Are "converted Catholics" disliked by "birth Catholics" and perceived to be zealots? That seems rather unkind.

    According to Wiki, Douthat's entire family converted to Catholicism when he was an adolescent. I never heard of Ross Douthat before.


    No, cradle Catholics do not (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by caseyOR on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 10:09:50 AM EST
    dislike those who convert to Catholicism. I believe Donald was referencing a tendency among recent converts to just about anything to be someone zealous.

    Have you ever known someone in the early throes of having kicked the smoking habit? Proselytizing on the evils of wicked tobacco constantly? Same idea.


    This is similar to what happens (none / 0) (#189)
    by Zorba on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 02:32:49 PM EST
    with converts to Eastern Orthodoxy.
    Those of us who are "cradle Orthodox" often observe that those who are converts often are more zealous about the faith.  And this is perhaps because they have chosen the faith, whereas we were born into it.

    There is a kind of convert syndrome (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by jondee on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 12:10:58 PM EST
    that happens with some people who seemingly experience a kind of righteous, endorphin rush from adopting a new identity and new way of life..

    John Goodman's Walter character in The Big Lebowski, who converts to Judaism and becomes "more Jewish than Tevye" was a parody of that syndrome.


    The Korean War is over (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:19:40 PM EST
    France is obviously better than us, Germany says that they don't need us to babysit them anymore.

    What an astonishing foreign policy week.

    Maybe Trump had his slogan all wrong... (none / 0) (#131)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 01:30:40 PM EST
    he's here to make the rest of the world great again!

    He's like the alien attackers (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 02:04:12 PM EST
    in Indepedence Day that bring the rest of the world together.

    He's our (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 02:14:56 PM EST
    Trump? (none / 0) (#137)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 02:23:53 PM EST
    Nobel Peace Prize?

    Rep. Luke Messer announced on Friday that he is gathering support from his congressional colleagues to formally nominate Trump.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Friday also said that Trump deserves the award if he is able to successfully negotiate North Korean denuclearization.

    Somebody, shoot me.


    He'd be the first winner (none / 0) (#139)
    by jondee on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 02:36:13 PM EST
    in history who used expresssions like "little rocket man."

    Somehow, I don't see it happening.


    Uh-uh. You're not getting off that easily. (none / 0) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 09:20:00 PM EST
    desertswine: "Somebody, shoot me."

    If the rest of us have to endure what's certain to be a long, slow and torturous demise, then so do you.



    Mrs. Merkle was (none / 0) (#178)
    by KeysDan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 12:29:57 PM EST
    in Washington on a business trip.  All business and discipline like the mechanical engineer she is; she is civil, smiles when on camera, and no pretext of anything other.   Trump must hate it, especially all business and no play.  Trade and the Iran Deal...not much headway by either Merkle or Macron.  Pompeo is in Europe suggesting that Iran will be no more after May.  

    Donald, from Washington on the line: (none / 0) (#141)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 03:48:08 PM EST
    Trump's call in to those FOX people on the couch really needed to be seen in its entirety.  The clips, jokes, and, even, partial transcripts do not begin to paint a full  picture---a portrait of a poor soul in free fall. Mental decompensation manifest.

       Some have called it rambling, incoherent, and, even, unhinged.  And, it is all of those and more.   The best scenario is that Doc Ronny was providing calmatives to help him with his play date with Macron  And, then, needed something to get him back up, after being let down by Macron's betrayal in his speech to Congress. An unrequited bromance seems to have set off stressors.  But, alas, it is more likely just Trump being Trump after being told to act nice for a while and, later, he can let everything go any way he wants.  All the "adults" seem to have gone out for a pack of cigarettes and never returned. He is on his own.

    Trump's behavior was at once scary and sad. He seemed to be coming apart at the seams, suggesting a 25th amendment solution, fast.  The couch people seemed stricken; they did not know what to do. You know it has to be bad, when Fox cuts off what would be a coveted media opportunity to have the president of the US on their show, their guy......but, one couch  person called time, saying the president "must have a million things to do."   Sad and Scary for Trump.  Sad and Scary for the nation.

    I loved their (none / 0) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 27, 2018 at 04:05:55 PM EST
    Presidential phone graphic. The dialing numbers on the phone were huge. Is that the new cricket?

    Joy Reid, MSNBC host, (none / 0) (#190)
    by KeysDan on Sat Apr 28, 2018 at 02:34:47 PM EST
    apologized for "hurtful and dumb" comments about LGBT people written on her Florida news blog ten years ago.  Her earlier response that the troubling blog posts were hacked was not borne out by investigation.  Joy should have apologized right away, as she once did when called out on references to Florida Governor, Charlie Crist (now Congressman).  

    Joy, to me, convincingly, expresses regret and growth indicating that she is not now the person of 10 years ago----having been brought up in a very conservative family. She proves that on every occasion by her support and equality advocacy for all Americans. I believe, too, that such change is the fruit of successful activism, to enlighten and to change thinking.