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Sunday Open Thread: Reversing Time

What if we could turn back the hands of time for two years instead of an hour? Would Trump have been elected if the public knew then what it knows now? I don't think so.

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Put another way:

Sometimes I wish I didn't know now
The things I didn't know then

As much as I love that song, I almost didn't include it because I remembered Bret Michaels was a big Trump supporter. (He won the 2010 season of Celebrity Apprentice). But he seems to be scaling that back now. When asked about it a few months ago, he said he's not really interested in politics, but in philanthropy, especially with diabetes (he was diagnosed with Type 1 at age 6 and still needs 5 injections daily), veterans and first responders.

Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): You played some concerts for Donald Trump’s inauguration. Has your association with him effected you or your career in any way?

Bret Michaels: No. I go back to this. My thing is philanthropy. That’s where I’m at. I just want what’s great for our country. That’s what I want regardless of whether it’s Obama, whether it would’ve been Hillary, whether it’s Trump. We’re all going to have to voice our opinions.

Don't forget to exercise your voice on Tuesday and vote to take away control of the House and Senate from the Republicans. And vote for Democratic Governors. If you are in Colorado, please vote for Jared Polis for Governor. His opponent is just too dangerous to every American principle I can think of.

In Colorado you can register to vote as late as Election Day. You can even still do so online here. Here are the voting locations and drop-off boxes.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    One more day on the ground in SoCal. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 12:27:07 AM EST
    It's been a long month. I hope that my time here has helped to make a difference in Orange County, and that we're finally rid of the Russian-coddling Dana Rohrabacher after 30 years.

    I return to Hilo Monday evening.

    SOCAL (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by jmacWA on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 04:33:15 AM EST
    Thank you for your service.

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    The Earth to Dana (none / 0) (#6)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 10:37:06 AM EST
    t.v. commercials are really funny and good.  

    The rocket in the background labeled "Russia" is a particularly nice touch.

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    Twenty twenty twenty-four (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 07:14:31 AM EST
    Hours to go

    I wanna be sedated

    Well, really more like (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 10:17:18 AM EST
    36 hours until the votes are counted. I could use some Xanax for sure.

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    I really hope the optimists are right (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CST on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 11:09:16 AM EST
    I'm not an optimist.  That said - Doug Jones has allowed me to hope in places I would never have hoped before.

    Wednesday morning can't get here soon enough.

    You probably (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 12:07:14 PM EST
    won't have to wait until Wednesday morning as probably a good many will be called Tuesday night some soon after the polls close.

    Here in GA it looks like tommorrow will not be the end if the polls are right. We are looking to have a runoff which means 6 more weeks of this nonsense.

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    After 2016, I have no optimism (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 01:53:51 PM EST
    Wednesday will be what it is.

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    My fear is (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by smott on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 03:51:27 PM EST
    Beyond actual results and of course hoping for a Blue Tsunami, that we will have real instability post election for who knows how long.
    ***holes like Kemp disputing results.
    Recounts everywhere. No losing GOPer conceding.
    Brooks Brothers riots in the Brett Kavanaugh model.

    Serious, violent unrest. And of course Trump will magnify the problems with his disgusting tweets and rants, and likely calls for law enforcement to violently quell any protest.  And the press will give him a megaphone and normalize it.

    The mark of a functioning democracy is the stable, calm transfer of power.
    We are not going to enjoy that. Because we're not a properly functioning democracy anymore.

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    I need Dems to take the Senate too (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 05:04:50 PM EST
    And will probably be sick as the votes come in. But we are going to be okay. Unrest or not, we are going to be okay and we will right the democracy because there is no other choice.

    There are many people who will not hurt others and will challenge their peers in harming others no matter what the President tries to make them do.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 03:40:17 PM EST
    I think 2016 did a lot of us in on that account. I will say thought the GOP mostly seems to have conceded that the house is gone and about 8 -10 governorships are gone. Past that who knows?

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    I was talking with my aunt last night ... (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 03:00:34 PM EST
    ... about the Watergate scandal and President Nixon's subsequent escape from justice, and I told her about Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski's scuttle of the grand Jury's attempt to indict Nixon in Feb. 1974 on four felony counts, which I wrote about here last week.

    She asked how I knew that, and I said that after nearly 45 years under the late John Sirica's federal judicial seal, the grand jury's report to the House Judiciary Committee, aka "The Watergate Road Map," had been released by the National Archives on October 31. So we went online and I showed it to her. Turns out she stayed up until 3:00 a.m. this morning, perusing the material.

    Anyway, I realized that I had forgotten to provide a link to that archival material in my earlier post from last week, so here it is -- just in case, you know, anyone has a desire to stay up until 3:00 a.m.: LINK.

    I'm off to LAX in 15 minutes for my flight back to Hilo. It's nonstop, so I don't have to change planes in Honolulu, which cuts two-plus hours off the trip. I'll arrive tonight at 8:30 p.m. HST. It'll be great to be able to sleep in my own bed again. I've spent a lot of time in Southern California this year. We're staying home this Christmas, as everyone agreed to come here instead for the holidays.

    Aloha.

    Thank you. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Jack E Lope on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 06:47:28 PM EST
    Thank you.  Except the part where I will probably stay up until 3AM in lieu of sleep.   I have recently been recording Watergate, in part to see if my memory has retained anything from the 1970s.  (I remember feeling as if the country was going to implode.  Kinda like now.)

    When I saw your previous post, I wondered if that recently-unsealed info would make it into the script on the current series.   (I have not found the time to start watching it...yet.)

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    Cook (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 07:48:58 PM EST
    Has flipped the PA-10 from leans Republican to toss up. I talked to at least 4 people at work today who are voting D in the 10. Hopeful.

    My high (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 07:57:01 PM EST
    school classmate lives in State College. He will be another vote you can count on and his family which depending on the age of his children along with his wife would add another 4 votes.

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    Wife and I (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 08:58:22 AM EST
    just returned from our polling place. No line. But steady traffic into the township office complex. It's pouring rain here in the Susquehanna Valley. Hoping that does not affect turnout too much.

    Exactly the same here (none / 0) (#101)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 09:14:35 AM EST
    in the suburbs just to the west of Philadelphia.

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    Same here (none / 0) (#105)
    by jmacWA on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 01:05:42 PM EST
    Just North of Allentown PA

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    I just got back (none / 0) (#3)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 07:17:37 AM EST
    ...from a month in the UK.  They are as upset about Brexit as we are about Trump. They hate him too.

    I had to spend a lot of time explaining how gerrymandering and manipulation of the Electoral College have resulted in minority rule. They know a lot more about the Democrat-Republican divide than I know about Tories and Labour and Conservative parties there.

    Public transportation in the UK is awesome.  In the "tube," the London Underground, trains arrive at the platform three minutes apart, and move incredible numbers of people. The tube is terrifying when you first use it, endless tile tunnels, stairways and escalators going who knows where and the roar of the trains, but now I have mastered it.

    On the street, buses are so close together that the one ahead is two blocks from the one you are on. In London you have an electronic "Oyster" card that you purchase fares for at a coin machine, which are then deducted when you touch it to a reader when getting on a bus, subway or a train.

    My Oyster card was not accepted for Dorking (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 11:52:20 AM EST
    to Waterloo on Southern. Privatization.

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    cryptic oculus... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by fishcamp on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 08:03:05 AM EST
    I have 3 cousins in UK (none / 0) (#11)
    by smott on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 01:32:21 PM EST
    Who are all BIG Leavers.
    Another cousin (Remainer) who quietly points out that Britain imports something like 40-50% of its food and nobody has any real clue what is going to happen.
    The Home Office is already creating a group to advise people on food hoarding.

    And should they really get to the March deadline without a proper deal, UK will be relegated to "third country" status, which automatically adds up to 40% tariff on all exports. So whole industries could literally dry up overnight. To say nothing of other industries (berry farms ) already drying up because, as we've seen here, the labor force (migrants) has disappeared.

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    Brian Kemp is losing (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 08:16:16 AM EST
    And he knows it.  This is almost endearingly desperate


    BREAKING NEWS
    Kemp's office accuses Ga. Democrats of failed hack of voting system; opens investigation

    The Secretary of State's office said Sunday they have opened a formal investigation of the Democratic Party of Georgia, accusing them of a "failed attempt to hack" the voter registration system


    He let (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 11:38:01 AM EST
    the Russians in our voting systems and did nothing. I guess since the Russians are not running this election he has to find someone and it does sound like his internal polling is very bad for him to pull a stunt like this.

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    The Cheeto crowd (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:37:51 PM EST
    Is already gathering in Macon.

    It will be interesting to see how long it takes him to get to the subject of this terrible terrible hacking of the democratic process

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    He's not (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 05:25:10 PM EST
    even in Macon. He's at the airport which is between Macon and Warner Robins. Why the heck is he having a rally there? It's an idiotic place to hold on when there is an actual civic center in Macon.

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    Riots (none / 0) (#57)
    by Steve13209 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 06:50:06 AM EST
    His limo might get turned around by "rioters" like in Pittsburgh.

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    Honestly (none / 0) (#9)
    by smott on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 12:56:09 PM EST
    I can't imagine a situation in which he would allow himself to lose. Would love to be wrong.
    But this situation in GA is an embarrassment to democracy.

    UN election monitors would never validate the results.

    I find myself hoping Kemp has done something bad enough to end up in prison.

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    You have to try (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 01:45:18 PM EST
    To put yourself in his position.  In the most important endeavor of his life, on the brink of achievement he is about to do what no one thought a white man in Georgia could ever do.  Be publicly humiliated by a black woman.  It must be just awful for him.

    He should just end it all on the grave of white grievance as a political issue.

    BAHAha

    As far a him "allowing" himself to lose I don't doubt he may see it that way but the fact is Stacy Abrams is literally his worst nightmare.  She has been in government her whole adult life.  She is smarter that he is and she has prepared for this for years. His allowance is not required and that is dawning on him this weekend.

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    Yes, and, of course, (none / 0) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:41:16 PM EST
    he is not running for re-election as Georgia Secretary of State, so his defeat as governor is a double public service. But, he sure will try..as it is reported to have been said by Joseph Stalin: "it is not the people who vote who count. It's the people who count the votes."

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    The people who count the votes (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:48:54 PM EST
    Are reps of both parties

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    True. (none / 0) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 04:30:19 PM EST
    Sorry, my intention was to express my worries in the broader context of the absence of independent and impartial management of the election and the skulduggery so attached with Kemp's oversight as Secretary of State.  

    I, too, believe that Stacey Abrams will be the next governor of Georgia.  Lawrence O'Donnell was over the moon with the presentation Oprah gave in support of Stacey's candidacy moving him to suggest the possibility of an Oprah run for the presidency in 2020.

      While I also found Oprah's advocacy to be awe-inspiring, I did not warm to the idea of an Oprah candidacy as he did. Lawrence did not look hard enough at the other woman on the stage, Stacey Abrams, and her potential leadership in the Democratic party should she be successful.  Similarly, Andrew Gillum , the next governor of Florida, will become a new and exciting light for the future.

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    Completely agree (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 05:46:46 PM EST
    If Abrams and Gillum win, even Beto, all those freakin old people - Bernie, Biden, Warren, Hillary, can put on their spectator pants for 2020.

    It would change everything.  Everyone knows a governor is a way better bet for a presidential nominee than a senator

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    Hillary (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:05:16 PM EST
    has taken herself out of any consideration. So you can really not include her but you're right about the rest of them. Nobody was all that interested before in any of them.

    I'm looking to see if Steve Bullock runs. He won the governor's race in MT in 2012 so he'll be term limited out in 2020. We have so few governors with experience at this point that I think he could take it.

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    Not really so much (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:13:55 PM EST
    six days ago

    Clinton said: "I am not even going to think about it, until we get through this November 6 election, about what's going to happen after that. But I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure we have a Democrat in the White House come January 2021

    Please Hillary.  Decide now.  Speaking as someone who has been one of your most staunch supporters, please.  Go away.

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    Naw (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:18:38 PM EST
    we went over all that on twitter the other day. And no, she's not running. After the midterms she is going to think about who to support in 2020 not run herself. If you don't believe her believe Terry Mac who said she is done running for office.

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    Hmm (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:22:16 PM EST
    Terry MacAuliffe. He might run though. Former governor of VA. Pulled another Democrat behind him into office. I don't know his age though.

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    Terrible terrible idea. (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:25:53 PM EST
    My opinion

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    But he probably will (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:30:26 PM EST
    There is going to be so many debates will have to be in shifts.  Every one of the geriatrics, except maybe Hillary, every one of the senators, people like McCauliff, Steyer, Avenatti, Bloomberg.  It's gonna be a three ring circus.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:35:48 PM EST
    know if when it comes time if most of them won't end up running due to lack of funds. Bloomberg can self fund I would imagine. I remember in years past there were a ton that were going to run but after a few months of announcing an exploratory committee did not get enough money and dropped out.

    I guess next week the announcements will start.

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    If democratic money this year (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:37:29 PM EST
    Is any indication there will be plenty of money.

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    Gawd Yes (none / 0) (#58)
    by Steve13209 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 06:52:31 AM EST
    We need new blood. People who know how to fight against an opponent that fights dirty and never compromises.

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    So true. My old friend Scott Wallace (none / 0) (#62)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 09:37:46 AM EST
    is running as a progressive Dem in PA-1, a very closely divided district with a so-called "moderate" Republican incumbent.  He is being hammered with endless dark money negative TV ads riddled with lies. I have no idea how you respond to that. Polls show him 1% behind (margin of error, I realize), so the number of voters, however small, who are persuaded by the negativity could actually be the deciding factor.  

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    Peter, we can relate (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Towanda on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 06:44:08 PM EST
    as my brother, running for our state legislature, was hit this weekend with his opponent's literature that is just lies.  Example:  My brother, a retired federal lawyer endorsed by the state police association, wants to "shoot legislators."  And it goes on and on and on. . . .

    How do you counter that level of crazy?

    We do know that it's a sign of desperation by state Republicans, as this seat was supposed to be no problem for the incumbent.  But my brother has waged a good campaign, and internal polls -- Republican polls, leaked by insiders -- suggest that a good campaign is working.

    We will see. Tomorrow night's election party will be tense.

    Oh, and we also will be waiting for word as to whether that brother also becomes a grandfather on election day! It was supposed to be two weeks from now, then a week from now . . . but my niece's visit to the doctor today suggests that grandchild may need to enter this world sooner.  Well, that would be a welcome distraction from the election-night tension.

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    Pulling for your brother, and (none / 0) (#94)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 08:17:56 PM EST
    to be rid of Perp Walker.

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    Thanks, and yes, we are cautiously (none / 0) (#95)
    by Towanda on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 10:13:26 PM EST
    optimistuc about Tony Evers and Mandela Barnes, the gov and lieutenant gov ticket.

    The have run an excellent campaign, energetc -- we haven't seen that in a while from state Dems -- and downright fun. That is unexpected to many observes, as Evers is a white-haired, taciturn, Norwegian-bachelor-farmer type (it is a type in the upper Midwest, a former schoolteacher, while Mandela is a young, boyis, urban African American former legislator.

    However, as it happens, I had met both several times -- Tony is state superintendent of schools so is a UW Regent, the only one to stand up to Walker for faculty, while Mandela was on our campus several times. Both are thoughtful, princepled, erudite, everything Walker is not.

    Oh, let this finally be the end of the Walker era.

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    Lots of 'Scotts' in PA this election. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 10:07:17 AM EST
    Walter Scott is the Dem running against the very repugnant Scott Perry in the PA 10th. Scott Perry has appeared on stage in the past with Steve King (IA) and Geert Wilders.

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    How many on this thread (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by smott on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 12:12:26 PM EST
    Read the David Axelrod piece on Politico? Full disclosure - dunno how he got the SuperGenious tag. But wevs.

    Hillary isn't running, and McAuliffe would be a real surprise.

    The intense media blowback on Warren for the DNA thing is instructive - ANY woman who dares to run will be subject to EMAILZ 2.0.  

    For those just joining, it wasn't just Hillary the press hated (though they loathed her) , the press will embody all the sexism that's out there, so get ready for ANY woman that dares to be a front runner, to get abused, badly.

    Which begs the question - at what point do Dems begin serious pushback on the media? The Clinton campaign had a big debate about that in 16  - the media were slaying her, and there was a faction that wanted to hit back, HARD. Because the media would never present her fairly, but no one was saying so. So maybe the campaign/Dems in general should stand up and say, HEY - you're bothsiderism is BS. Your reflexive search for balance ignores Truth. Shape up.

    Especially now, when the Caravan is Comey Emails II.
    They're doing it all over again.
    They've learned nothing.

    Someone needs to shout it from the rooftops, and the Dems are the only ones left to do it.


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    I agree (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 01:01:44 PM EST
    with you even though I did not read the Axelrod piece. The Warren incident should be instructive to those that thought it was just Hillary 'cause it's not. It's any woman that is going to get that treatment.

    And we do need to massively start pushing back against the media. Hillary should have done it simply because they were never going to give her a fair shake and she really had nothing to lose in that respect.

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    I can't recall all details but (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by smott on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 01:30:59 PM EST
    I thought Clinton herself wanted to push back hard at the media unfairness but was restrained by advisors (Mook possibly?) God knows no one could blame her.

    And I still don't get the Axelrod Supergenius tag. Picking ACA out the gate with 2010 census/redistricitng looming w Midterms was ....moronic. Jobs, jobs, infrastructure and Lily Ledbetter low-hanging fruit to run the clock and survive 2010 with House intact.  But no. Then the 2010 red wave and insane redistrictng, for which we are still paying in blood.

    Here in PA it's embarrassing how bad it is. Like 13-8 GOP districts when Dems won a state wide majority.
     TG the PA Supes are throwing  it out.

    Census years MATTER, Axe. You dummy.

    2020 next for re-districting Peeps.

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    Axe (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 01:45:03 PM EST
    is no political genius. People talk about the Hillary supporters from 2008 that left the party. Axe was one of the driving reasons. Axe is terrible political consultant who has basically been hanging on Obama's coattails for years now. Hillary was smart not to hire him. He's the architect of Post Partisan Unity President that gave us Neville Chamberlain in the face of rising conservative and white nationalist violence in this country. Now I hear he wants to get behind Deval Patrick for president. No thanks. I think we can do better than a repeat. We need a Dem who is going to challenge what has happened not one who is going to beg for Republicans to vote for their legislation.

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    In fairness (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by smott on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 02:21:48 PM EST
    Hillary hired Mark Penn in 2008. Ugh.

    But yes I've always thought Axe was a moron.
    In the Politico piece he exhorts Dems not to "escalate" Trump's rhetoric and call for blood, as if anybody in a Dem leadership position is doing that. And, no Avenatti doesn't count. His 15 mins are up.

    If anything Dems at the leadership level are maddeningly supine (Schumer, looking at you).

    Axe wants Dems to campaign on policies that will help people, which last time I checked, they were. Health Care/preserve ACA, Medicaid expansion , middle class tax relief....with great positive energy a la Beto, Gillum and others.

    It was just an idiotic strawman from Axelrod, given megaphone by Politico. So annoying.

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    I don't (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 03:45:08 PM EST
    know what campaigns he is paying attention to because here in GA that is definitely NOT the case. All the candidates are campaigning on things that help people.

    Axe is looking for kudos from the beltway cocktail crowd by writing that article. It's what Amando coined "High Broderism" and the cocktail set worships at its altar.

    Not only is he currently misreading what is happening in campaigns he also is misreading what D voters want. They want someone to stand up to the GOP not any more unity pony nonsense.

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    Frank Brun'si (NYT, Sunday opinion, November 4), (none / 0) (#81)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 04:15:48 PM EST
    column presented views on what Democrats need to do to defeat Trump in 2020.  Most, if not all, of the views seemed well past their shelf life, as were those who held the views.

    Axelrod seemed to believe that the key was to understand the 2016 Trump voter and treat them with respect.  "If Democrats are going to win in 2020 it can't be with the careless presumption that everyone who voted for Trump is a toothless and ignorant racist....voters disgusted by the paralysis at Capitol Hill viewed Trump as the kick in the a$$ that Washington needed."

     True, not all Trump voters are toothless.  And, of course, that paralysis was bothsiderism, (cf. Merrick Garland and Mitchel McConnell). So, Democrats, if they want to win, will have to do some interviewing of Trump supporters in diners, overlook their dental care and focus on their worries about gridlock; the NYTimes could help here.

    And, of course, there is the annoying, center/right former senator, Bob Kerrey (D.NE), who believes we must inform the electorate that, somehow and for some reason, the country has become increasingly divided.  The Democratic candidate will have to fix this happenstance, speaking with honesty:  "you're going to get angry at me, because I am going to embrace a Republican idea if it feels good.   Don't expect me to be 100 percent--100 percent may make you happy, but it won't pull this country together."

     Agreed.  I would be likely to be less than 100 percent happy with most of Kerrey's "feel good" Republican ideas, such as the one he subscribed to: "the Cat Food Commission Recommendations." The answer, it seems, is promise to cut social security and medicare so as to pay for those other Republican ideas: those that make us feel bad--literally, like eliminating ACA.  

    And, then there is Bruni, himself.  Stop trumpeting Clinton's popular vote victory, blaming Russians, or combing the shadows for anything that absolves them of error, don't dismiss Trump as a fad or a freak.   So, apparently, the answer is to accept the Trump Administration as normalcy, and run a mistake-free campaign.  Got it.

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    The last (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 05:24:12 PM EST
    thing we need is lecture from the likes of Frank Bruni. Bob Kerrey wants us to fix people who don't want to be fixed. He really needs to realize that the hatred of the other is what makes them happy. I don't think any politician can fix that. I think these pundits just write stuff to make themselves feel better. Don't mention the popular vote? Uh, yeah, we definitely need to do that since it shows that Trump did not get the most votes. Don't mention Russia? We're not supposed to mention an odious creature like Putin interferring in our elections? Does Bruni not value democracy? He seriously needs to get out of his bubble.

    My advice is the simplest. Just beat them at the polls over and over until they get the message that nobody likes their white supremacy and it's a losing issue.

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    Also (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:24:09 PM EST
    He is not the only republican SoS in charge of the election in which they are running.  Kobach in Kansas is another.  He is also going to lose.

    And there is at least one or two others.

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    If I was Arya Stark (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:43:56 PM EST
    that reprehensible worm Kobach would be right at the top of my list.


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    Truly (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:50:21 PM EST
    He is to voter suppression what colonel Sanders is to chicken.

    The thing is it's also backfiring for him too.

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    not so much backfiring (none / 0) (#59)
    by Steve13209 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 06:58:25 AM EST
    but his voter suppression efforts are being overwhelmed. I heard on the radio that our county in Central New York has had a big spike in registered voters.

    "So far, more than 14,000 new voters registered in Onondaga county this year.

    About 5,600 of those new registrants are Democrats, 2,300 are Republicans, and 4,500 did not identify with a major party."

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    Check this out (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 03:02:35 PM EST
    5 polls over 8 days literally tied

    The thing is no one in Kansas is undecided about Chris Kobach.   And all those voters he's been working so hard to disenfranchise are crawling over broken glass to vote against him.

    Rachel has been talking about Kansas a lot.


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    Monday (none / 0) (#5)
    by ragebot on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 10:00:28 AM EST
    seems to be solid as the start of the Guzman trial in NYC.  The judge was not buying an attempt to delay the trial.

    jury selection will be (none / 0) (#55)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 01:32:33 AM EST
    closed to public, Only 5 reporters are being allowed to watch, and they will be excluded from sidebars. This is likely to be the least transparent trial in recent memory.

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    Not just the least transparent (none / 0) (#65)
    by ragebot on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 11:08:04 AM EST
    NYT Magazine (none / 0) (#10)
    by smott on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 01:03:17 PM EST
    Has a long article on how law enforcement in the US basicallly completely whiffed on the increasing threat/rise of white supremacy .

    It's actually embarrassing to read how little they know about groups and individuals that have been thoroughly followed and documented for decades by SPLC. And I recommend Dave Neiwart on Twitter for more. It's just as embarrassing that he hasn't been on TV talking about these terrorists for weeks, given the events lately.

    But I have to wonder if LE's deliberate ignorance of domestic terrorism in the form of neo-Nazis/white supremacists is because those groups have a significant number of police officers in their ranks.

    Trump keeps talking about the MS 13 (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by fishcamp on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:31:31 PM EST
    gang members who are mixed in with the caravan, and how viscous they are,  MS 13 has been here in the U S for years and are no different than the hundreds or thousands of other gangs.  They are particularly bad in El Salvador with their murderous requruiting  methods, but that's down there.  I happen to know an MS 13 guy who fled to become a bus boy at a restaurant here in Islamorada, so he could become a normal person.  He said down there you're either in with them or dead.  Trump thinks he is up on the gang situation here in America, but he's not.  MS 13 stupidly means save the trout in the ocean, and the 13th letter of the alphabet is M, for either murder or marijuana.  The Hells Angels all had a little 13 emblem on their patches.  It's nothing new.

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    Nothing new: true enough. (none / 0) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:46:58 PM EST
    But, since there is nothing else they care to talk about, Republicans have their mainstay: fear and racism.

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    He keeps talking about MS 13 (none / 0) (#24)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 03:10:36 PM EST
    but he somehow manages not to notice any of the groups on the Southern Poverty Law Center map. Amazing.

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    Did you get to see (none / 0) (#12)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 01:37:35 PM EST
    Spike Lee's "BlacKKKlansman"? It touches on that subject.

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    Having three relatives in local (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 02:54:12 PM EST
    Law enforcement, wonder no more.

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    ... for years on the subject of the growing and pernicious threat of white nationalist and neo-Confederate influence in the Republican Party.

    Funny how our country's media elite often fail to notice the obvious shortcomings in their own professional behavior, and never more so than whenever they're accusing others of essentially doing the same thing that they've been doing.

    Aloha.

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    This is from the NYT Twitter feed: (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:23:07 PM EST
    The New York Times | November 3, 2018
    Opinion: Why aren't Democrats walking away with the midterms? - "Democrats miss Trump's gifts and the real threat he represents - the long-term political realignment of the country."

    The New York Times | November 2, 2018
    What happened to Lindsey Graham? He's become a rock star - "Once a fierce critic of President Trump, Sen. Lindsey Graham is now his close ally. Democrats want 'the old Lindsey back,' but he loves the conservative attention and limelight."

    The New York Times | November 2, 2018
    No one wants to campaign with Bill Clinton any more - "In an election shaped by the #MeToo movement, female voters and female candidates, Mr. Clinton finds his legacy tarnished by past allegations."

    And then there's this latest mincing of words and pulling of punches:

    The New York Times | November 3, 2018
    Steve King, for a change, faces a battle for his House sete in Iowa - "Is Steve King in trouble? Convergence of the Pittsburgh synagogue Shooting nd his own racially tinged remarks have threatened a re-election bid that once looked assured."

    "Racially tinged remarks"? Congressman King (R-IA) has openly trafficked in white nationalist rhetoric and neo-Nazi ideals for years. For years! And yet, the best the New York Times can do is call his most recent public statements "racially tinged"?

    Are the words "racist" and "lies" now too much of a pejorative for Editor Dean Baquet and the rest of his staff to apply to Republicans? Or were they too busy hyping a phony email controversy in 2016, that they let the rise of white nationalism in the GOP go both unnoticed and unmentioned?

    For obvious reasons, I tend to not pay much if any attention any more to the New York Times, which for the past quarter-century has been a far cry from its "The Paper of Record" days of yore. I cancelled my online subscription in 2016, and haven't looked back. Nowadays, I subscribe to the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post and Rolling Stone, and I contribute to The Guardian and Mother Jones.

    Aloha.

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    There are a bunch (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 04:15:53 PM EST
    Of really important ballot measures this year that probably have not been covered enough because of everything else.
    Several will get young voters to the polls.  Four states have pot on the ballot.  Utah and MO have medical marijuana, Michigan and North Dakota to go from medical to recreational.  Arkansas and MO have minimum wage increases.  There are several "tax the rich for various purposes".  One in FL to restore the right to vote to felons.

    here's a good summary in The Nation

    Jus sayin (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 04:35:46 PM EST
    Just watching John King at the "big board"

    He was taking about the six "toss ups". Arizona, Nevada, Missouri, Tennessee, Indiana and Florida.

    He explains that it's "nearly impossible" for democrats to take control of the Senate because they would have to win all those states.

    But here's the thing. if you look at RCP you can see that democrats are ahead in four of those and tied in MO.  The only one where republicans are ahead in TN.  And I personally think there is a very good chance the democrat will win there.

    And that's not even considering Beto.

    Just sayin

    So (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 04:47:20 PM EST
    We might know reasonably early about Tennessee.

    If Bredesen wins it might be time to start drinking.

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    He needs (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 05:22:11 PM EST
    to talk to more local people in these states like John Ralston in NV. And Florida is NOT a toss up. As far as I recall Scott has never led in Florida though it's been closer than the Gillum/DeSantis race.

    If the senate flips, that's the end of these hideous Trump judges.

    It really would be something if we won all of those plus hold ND.

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    Also (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 05:28:11 PM EST
    It would be the end of Trump.

    I am not naive.  I get the odds.  But Trump has been saying for months this election is a referendum on him.

    And so it is.

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    Losing the senate (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:09:01 PM EST
    would definitely be the end of Trump. Even just the house is going to gum things up pretty badly for him.

    I hope it's a bad enough rout that it puts the fear of God into a few Republicans. I have no hope that even a rout would change people like Mitch McConnel.

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    And TX (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 05:25:38 PM EST
    Those two ballot measures about are going to help Claire

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    Well (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:39:08 PM EST
    that's why I said there was no hope regarding McConnell. The GOP could lose every seat and nothing would change with McConnell. Hopefully he will retire in 2020.

    Washington Examiner (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 07:25:50 PM EST
    Not liberal fake news

    Democrats closing gap in key Senate races as late polls defy forecasts

    Ramping up the drama, a slew of tightening polls indicate that the Senate might also drift away from Republicans if all the dominoes fall towards the opposition party on Tuesday.

    That, however, was before new polls in Tennessee - the "firewall" state for Republicans - dead level. If Democrats cling on in Florida, Missouri and Indiana, where their incumbents have faced tough fights and an energized Republican base loyal to President Trump, then it could all come down to the Volunteer State.

    Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R, is in a dead heat with Democrat Phil Bredesen. On Friday, East Tennessee State University and Targoz Strategic Marketing released two separate polls that showed Blackburn and Bredesen tied. The ETSU poll found 44 percent of likely voters saying they supported each candidate, and in the Targoz poll, 48 percent of likely and early voters supported both Blackburn and Bredesen. Republicans had previously thought that Tennessee was moving out of Bredesen's reach.

    Buckle up

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    But more (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 07:33:04 PM EST
    I jus said this

    Tennessee in particular will be one to watch. Republicans view Tennessee as a "firewall" state protecting them from the loss of the chamber. With the current balance of power 51 to 49 and Democrats looking highly likely to lose North Dakota, the GOP could afford to lose Arizona and Nevada while failing to pick up Florida, Missouri or Indiana and still survive with 50 seats and Vice President Mike Pence's casting vote. That calculation would be swept away by losing Tennessee.


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    Welp (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 08:00:01 PM EST
    I guess we all need to be all in for Bredesen.

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    comment you are replying was (none / 0) (#56)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 01:34:33 AM EST
    deleted for name-calling (even of McCallum, name-calling is just not welcome here. It's a lazy way of expression.)

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    My bad. (none / 0) (#100)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 09:04:27 AM EST
    Apologies.


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    Brian Kemp (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 06:59:15 PM EST
    has completely lost it. He's shown no evidence of votes being hacked and is now accusing someone who works the voter help line of hacking votes.

    Hang on girl (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 08:17:59 PM EST
    That pony gonna get wilder yet :)

    I'm sorry. I don't want to know what this is doing to your blood pressure.

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    The problem (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 08:30:47 PM EST
    is that Kemp is texting the media and the media is just repeating verbatum what Kemp said instead of critically assessing the garbage he is sending out.

    All that being said Kemp's internal polling must be collapsing judging by his behavior.

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    It would seem Journalists don't actually know (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 08:54:50 PM EST
    Stuff anymore. They just repeat what is said to them.

    Bots can accomplish that too.

    If this is all most of them are going to be, they can easily be replaced by programs that work for free and do not feel, don't get tired or comprehend Americans could be exhausted, don't feel hungry so starving people mean nothing, don't get sick so sick people are just a concept, don't get hurt, or age, feel pain or die. Programs that weed out all that messy humanity...like the repeating mindless journalists do now.

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    Journalism (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 04, 2018 at 09:19:08 PM EST
    is another area that needs to be cleaned out. They seem to have become as dumbed down as a lot of other things. I guess dumbing down is where the money is and they follow the money.

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    I think I see a Drumpf-like tactic (none / 0) (#90)
    by Jack E Lope on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 07:01:09 PM EST
    I think I see a Drumpf-like tactic in this accusation by Kemp.  

    Kemp's voters will want to believe this story (and will be motivated by it to turn out), but they will also be inoculated against any accusations that Kemp did anything shady with the vote count - because if he did it, it was to a lesser degree, and only in self-defense!  Just as Drumpf-followers can ignore his grabby nature when they believe that Hillary runs a child-sex ring out the the basement of a pizza parlor.  Just as Drumpf-followers can ignore the Koch's spending influence because Soros.  Just as Drumpf-followers can ignore his huuuge lies because Benghazi!  

    Hacking is an area Kemp wants to cover as the first-to-accuse.   After all, Georgia uses voting machines that do not create a human-verifiable audit.  
    Those voting machines have already led to reports of problems in early voting in this election.

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    we will know (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 12:45:39 PM EST
    Pretty early wave wise.

    Everything I am reading is encouraging

    Claire is now up.  I think we take the Senate.

    So you're reading? (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 02:21:27 PM EST
    I am not reading this cycle. Not now. Once I understood that we just can't poll with much accuracy, I let reading about polls go.

    I read a few things yesterday indicating some red state Senate races have begun trending toward Dems, AND THAT WAS IT. Not reading another damn thing about it hahaha

    I am not setting myself up :)

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    I have officially stopped (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 04:15:02 PM EST
    My friend arrived visiting from CO to  celebrate or provide support.

    He brought €d!b/£$

    See ya Tuesday

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    Bredesen in a dead heat too (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 04:58:03 PM EST
    Oh yeah, I'm gonna throw up

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    Good on you and friend Captain. (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by fishcamp on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 10:15:17 AM EST
    I need a case of that Canadian infused beer to get through it all.  Already knocked off the R's at the gym.  They're getting very easy since all they can speak of is Barack and Hillary.and I remind them those ships have sailed.  They run upstairs to the big weight room so they don't have to talk about tangerine little fingers.  They hate him too, but they hate the D's Even more and will never change.  They laugh at the blue wave, but it's a nervous laugh.  They don't pick on me anymore since they know I have the answers they don't want to hear.

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    Everybody going crazy (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 04:50:48 PM EST
    Heller losing?

    Beto neck and neck

    Claire seems safe

    AZ Senate neck and neck. I may throw up between now and tomorrow night.

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    We might (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 05:25:22 PM EST
    all need a support line or something to call. I hope the news comes in early and good.

    The polling might be better than we know but you know how the media likes to torture everyone with their horserace narrative.

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    I pick Josh up at College (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 06:26:04 PM EST
    Comes home to vote. Then I think we will go out for Vietnamese to celebrate. He is going to stay home for the night.

    Email me around 7 or I'll touch base with you then.

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    Okay. (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 05, 2018 at 07:58:23 PM EST
    I think the only one in my family left to vote tomorrow is hubby. One is not old enough yet and the other now lives in SC. I have no idea if he is voting in SC though.

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    You can't get all of the youngins (none / 0) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 04:53:33 AM EST
    To vote. But youngins studying political science, it is a little easier. I don't know if my daughter is voting.

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    Everybody in my family (none / 0) (#97)
    by fishcamp on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 07:56:39 AM EST
    voted when I was a little kid, and they talked about voting for months.  I think that must have helped me to want to vote as soon as I could.

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    My mom passed when I was little (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 08:54:13 AM EST
    And my grandparents became who I looked to for guidance. My father's parents were political and active, issues issues issues. My mother's family had not much use for politics or discussion of issues and thought that discussing political issues was for those of low breeding or something.....

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    One of my strongest early memories (none / 0) (#102)
    by CST on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 09:15:53 AM EST
    Is sitting around the TV with the whole family watching the 1992 election returns, and 1994 election returns, and 1996...

    I have voted regularly since I turned 18, along with both of my sisters.  Politics was definitely a family affair growing up.

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    My parents, both New Deal Democrats, (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by caseyOR on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 10:43:00 AM EST
    children of the Great Depression, discussed politics with my siblings and me all the time. Current events were a regular topic at the dinner table. And we always knew the names and party affiliations and policy positions of all the relevant politicians from the President down through our senators and Congressperson to the governor and our mayor.

    I do not think I have failed to vote in a single election, National and local, since I became eligible to vote when I was 19 (that was the year voting age dropped to 18).

    I confess I am baffled by people who choose to not vote.

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    My grandparents were New Deal Democrats too (none / 0) (#106)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 07:24:23 PM EST
    Good people, I am a better person for having them.

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    the third year in a row that (none / 0) (#107)
    by ragebot on Tue Nov 06, 2018 at 10:06:44 PM EST
    Well, she likes to show she can get (none / 0) (#109)
    by Peter G on Fri Nov 09, 2018 at 05:04:07 PM EST
    a jump on those young geezers.

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    I live in the middle of the SoCal fires. (none / 0) (#108)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 09, 2018 at 12:07:24 PM EST
    We are under mandatory evacuation orders. Saw our home on the news a few hours ago as the flames came close, but so far so good.

    The winds are supposed to last through next Tuesday, and the fires are due to the winds.

    It's hard to grasp.

    all best wishes to you (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Peter G on Fri Nov 09, 2018 at 05:04:49 PM EST
    Nothing more frightening than a raging fire.

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    I hope (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 09, 2018 at 05:12:47 PM EST
    your home stays safe. A fire can be incredibly devastating. At least you are safe though.

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    Amazing (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 09, 2018 at 05:58:50 PM EST
    That looks (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 09, 2018 at 07:14:28 PM EST
    like absolute hell.

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    Stay well and stay safe. (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 10, 2018 at 09:44:03 PM EST