$18 billion for Trump's Wall?

By Jeralyn, Section Trump Administration
Posted on Fri Jan 05, 2018 at 08:47:52 PM EST
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Donald Trump wants $18 billion for his border wall.

Guess Mexico told the truth when they said they wouldn't pay for it.

Trump supporters get snookered again. They will now have to pay for the wall if Republicans go along with this stupid wall. And maybe face a government shutdown if their infantile leader throws a tantrum when Dems say no.

I've also seen some moronic articles telling people not to waste their time hating Trump in 2018, he's been at his desk for a year and we're still here. As if that's the test. I will continue to bemoan this country's lack of a leader until the media stops making everything about him. Ignore him or criticize him, those are the only two choices. I go for days with the first option, but then there's one headline too many and I'm done with staying quiet. He's ruining our way of life, why should we not complain?

If your Congressperson even hints at voting to fund this wall using the government shutdown as an excuse, call them out on it. Better a shutdown than our money goes to a stupid wall.

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Hi don't think we can afford to ignore him (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by Molly Bloom on Fri Jan 05, 2018 at 09:18:03 PM EST

And you are correct the fact he had been in the Oval Office for a yea and we are still here is not the test

Agreed (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 08:00:17 AM EST

Definitely not the test. It's coming to a head. He is, as the Yale psychologist predicted recently, unraveling.

the danger grows by the day.

I take issue with the press making everything about him. He makes everything about him. The press, particularly print press, IMO in the age of Trump has been stellar.

Seriously when the president tweets this -

Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star.....
6:27 AM - Jan 6, 2018
....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!
6:30 AM - Jan 6, 2018

How do you, like, not report it?


I think the press has been negligent (none / 0) (#5)
by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 09:15:07 AM EST

And three fact checkers checked the Wolff book, but before that was discussed Trump access reporters immediately smeared Wolff.


Who are Trump access reporters? (none / 0) (#7)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 09:34:21 AM EST

Whatever smear they attempted does not seem to be working very well.

Wolff is being treated like royalty.

I think it's pretty unfair to say "the press" has been negligent.

IMO if there is one thing they absolutely have not been it's negligent.


Just start with Haberman and Thrush (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 10:52:28 AM EST

Then check out who defended their crappy beat sweetener reporting on Twitter. Almost to a one, every journalist who defended softballing for access has been planted squarely on their faces and arses by the Wolff book.

As the excerpts were being shared many of them chimed in on Twitter they all knew this stuff. But they chose to not write about or focus on how savagely insane the Trump White House is because.....


Ok (none / 0) (#16)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 11:18:31 AM EST

Trump is at this moment using that as cover.

Point taken.

However, I consume a lot of news and while had heard about this stuff about "mistakes" I actually did not know the names of the reporters.

I think they are massively out numbered. Book sellers can't get enough copies of this book.

Plus, seriously, Trump PERSONALLY singling g them out, as he just did, will do wonders for their credibility. That was snark.

It's unraveling. Trump is unraveling. A couple of craven reporters will not stop that.

This is not the end. It's the beginning of the end.


They are outnumbered today...yes (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 11:27:05 AM EST

What I am pointing to specifically was when the book began to break, there was an initial rush to Wolff's throat that has now been squashed on Twitter by commenters.

I do understand this President is so crazy that it can be somewhat difficult to write about the crazy in a way that can resonate with the rest of us, but that's why they are hired journalists and I'm not.

They were woefully unprepared to report on the lawlessness of this presidency. And too many journalists quipping who seem to have little understanding of the rule of law crisis we face this minute too since Trump seems to have stocked NY courts we are relying on to hold him accountable. Where is that story?


Honestly (none / 0) (#18)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 11:36:58 AM EST

It's on MSNBC.

I get it. But the papers those people work for are doing great work.

But I am, like, an optimist.


Lawrence Tribe says getting rid of Trump (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 12:22:34 PM EST

Will become easier as soon as his unfitness is separated from the buyers remorse. The press couldn't stop focusing on buyer's remorse. Their favorite stories though were the lack of buyer's remorse.

Charlie Pierce commented on a piece where the journalist didn't even bother to let the readers know the subject was a GOP operative. The piece shopped that particular subject out as just an ordinary Joe. He called what the writer did malpractice.


No shortage of malpractice (none / 0) (#35)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 06:57:41 PM EST

And then there is Charles Pierce.
Or Jack Shafer writing in what we used to call REPUBLICO

POLITICO Magazine
SWAMP DIARY
Week 33: Trump Blistered by Bannon's Inside Job
The president still hasn't found a lawyer who can protect him from his enemies and himself.
By JACK SHAFER January 06, 2018
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As cunning as a raccoon, author Michael Wolff walked in the front door of the White House early last year and has returned with a book, Fire and Fury, that cements Donald Trump's image as a shallow, narcissistic, dim, post-literate, impulsive, temperamental and doddering buffoon who blusters and lurches from crisis to crisis. For most of a holiday-shortened week, excerpts from the book published in New York and the Hollywood Reporter predicted that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III would "crack Don Junior like an egg," that Trump thought he would lose the 2016 election, that the Constitution was more difficult for him to understand than quantum physics.
These hot licks temporarily elbowed Mueller's Russia investigation out of the spotlight until Thursday evening when the New York Times delivered a report that added a layer of patina to the obstruction of justice case Mueller is thought to be building. According to the Times' Michael Schmidt, last March Trump had his top White House lawyer lobby Attorney General Jeff Sessions to keep him from recusing himself in the growing Russia investigation.
The most striking quotation collected by Schmidt appeared before the jump. Frustrated by the fact that Session had gone wobbly on him, Trump asked, "Where's my Roy Cohn?" Cohn, who was once described as a "legal executioner" by journalist Ken Auletta, represented Trump from the mid-1970s through the mid-1980s until the one-time Joe McCarthy henchman died of AIDS. "All I can tell you is he's been vicious to others in his protection of me," Trump once told Vanity Fair's Marie Brenner about the lawyer. It's here that Wolff's unrestrained depiction of the incompetent Trump dovetails with the scandal that has vexed his presidency from its first days: Trump is surrounded by people who do his bidding, even as they mock him, but what he has prayed for in vain is a ruthless lawyer who would defend him from his enemies and save him from himself, just the way Cohn always did.

I would be more worried if the all stars of conservative political journalism from Kristol to Poderetz to Will to Rubin to Charen to on and on and on were not with us.

It's really not left against right. It's elected republicans against the world. And we can fix that if we can survive 10 months.


: Pretty (none / 0) (#36)
by FlJoe on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 08:11:30 PM EST

ominous "if" in your last sentence, Howdy. I agree with you about the elected Republicans, unfortunately they control all the levers of power and they play dirty.

: Truly, a big whatever (none / 0) (#38)
by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 07, 2018 at 09:12:27 AM EST

On the partisanship you hope to enter into the discussion.
The judiciary has begun to fail, the Congress and Presidency already touching on fascism a year into this presidency. All you have is the 4th estate until November. And journalists can turn everything into a both siderism horse race again then.

I am so long as we stay on them (none / 0) (#21)
by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 11:46:32 AM EST

Point out where they are phucking the masses.

The Presidency is failed and lawless and fascist, the ruling Congress is failed and lawless and fascist (Where are Democrats right now also?), the judiciary is beginning to fail, that leaves the 4th estate.

This can make lifetime journalism careers the same way the Nixon administration did and the Vietnam War did, but nobody is going to give it to them.


What to do? (none / 0) (#4)
by Militarytracy on Sat Jan 06, 2018 at 09:12:34 AM EST

Ignoring him is dangerous. Everyone paying attention is exhausted. I used to joke we all needed to start survivor support groups, not sure that can be a joke anymore.

Wasn't a good joke to begin with, he was bringing up all sorts of abuse issues for people from day #1. But now even those who had some calluses protecting them are catatonic with exhaustion.

And the press has been complicit in covering up exactly how nuts the Trump White House is.

I ordered "the book". I wasn't going to buy the horrible damn thing but my husband raised the issue about whether or not not buying "the book" when you could afford the book was being a negligent American citizen.