Senate's Midnight Vote on Health Care: Another Republican Fail

Update: 1:35 a.m.: Republicans fail to repeal Obamacare and pass its "Skinny Repeal" bill. Sens. McCain, Murkowski and Collins voted against the Republican bill, making the final tally 49 (yes) to 51 (no).

I rarely quote a Donald Trump tweet but I can't resist this one from a few days ago:

So great that John McCain is coming back to vote. Brave - American hero! Thank you John.
Thank you John, indeed. [More...]

***Original Post*** (12:16 a.m. ET 7/28/17)

Just doing my part to keep the Senators awake.

The Senate is voting on the repeal of Obama Care and the "skinny"version of its health care bill that Paul Ryan promises (wink wink) won't become law but will just be a starting point on negotiations with the House. Sen. Mitch McConnell released the bill a few hours ago.

Just hours before the Senate is set to vote on the bill, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell released the text of the "Health Care Freedom Act." It repeals the individual mandate, the employer mandate and funding for Planned Parenthood, among other things.

Shades of the Patriot Act: Act in haste, repent at leisure.

12:32 a.m. Live: Voting just began on the Murray motion to commit HR1628, the reconciliation bill, and send it back to committee.

12:35 a.m. Vote is now 45 to 37 to pass the Murray motion. Are Republicans waiting till the last minute to cast their votes -- there was a stream of "no" votes in the final minutes.

12:41 am: The Murray motion fails. Final vote is 48-52.

Mike Pence is chatting away on the floor with Sen. Mitch McConnell. The Dems are sitting in their seats looking glum. Then McConnell moved on, leaving Pence alone. Pence looked lost to me, searching around for what seemed like 30 seconds, with no one approaching him, even though a dozen conversations were going on right around him. Finally Pence walked over to to a row of Senators who were sitting at their "desks" in the gallery section. He stood in front of the Senator in the aisle seat, and the guy didn't look up right away to acknowledge Pence. About 10 to 20 seconds later, he stood up to greet him. I was thinking "Awkward." In any event, Pence as most popular guy in the room: Not.

Next comes the vote on the Skinny bill. Disaster in action. A horde of mostly middle age and elderly white guys voting at 1:00 a.m. to deny people life-saving health care.

1:02 a.m. Everybody is still milling around. This is really boring. Just saw on Twitter:

Some diseases progress faster than this vote.

1:06 a.m.: Not a Starbucks cup in sight. Not even a water bottle. Bernie Sanders looks pretty animated, chatting away on the floor. Are these Senators human?

1:11 a.m: Some noise on the floor. John McCain is here now, he hugs Diane Feinstein.

1:25 a.m.: Finally they start up again. Amendment 667: Vote to repeal major portions of Obama Care -- It fails! Senators McCain, Murkowski and Collins voted against it. The final vote was 49 in favor and 51 against.

1:41 a.m.: Mitch McConnell speaks. "We worked really hard." He thanks Trump and Pence "who couldn't have been more involved and more helpful." (So if Trump says he had nothing to do with it and tries to distance himself tomorrow, that's not true, according to McConnell.)

1:58 a.m.: Sen. Schumer speaks. I don't need to listen to him. Sen. McConnell then says the Senate will reconvene Monday to take up a judicial nominee for the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. The Senate adjourns.

Thanks to those of you who commented on this post in real time. I know some of you are on the East Coast, that's pretty impressive. It's still only 12:35 a.m. in Denver.

Final thought: Donald Trump fails again. I hope he's up and having heartburn.

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    Now comes the real vote (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jul 27, 2017 at 11:46:59 PM EST
    America will wake up to this having no idea it happened at 1:00 am. Shame on these Senators.

    ... works to our advantage. This was one of them. The final vote in the Senate took place out here before the sun had even set. I made a pitcher of margaritas in celebratory relief.

    i fell asleep from depression (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:23:24 AM EST
    at about 11 with the tv on and thesound down

    around one i woke up and saw the banner


    i rolled over and went back to sleep.



    Yeah, I couldn't handle it (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:49:43 AM EST
    Plus I need my sleep since I have a lot to do this week...but thanks to Jeralyn and all of you for the play by play, very entertaining...since it turned out well. I would be too depressed to be reading if it had passed.

    Skinny repeal is defeated. (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:35:21 AM EST

    A lot of unnecessary drama could've been ... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 02:47:04 AM EST
    ... avoided, had McCain simply voted "no" the other day on the motion to proceed. But then, the old Maverick wouldn't have been able to swoop in tonight to save the day, would he?

    for gods sake Donald (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:24:41 AM EST
    thats the most pathetic CYA comment i have ever seen.

    Stuff it, Howdy. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:40:06 AM EST
    I was merely making an observation that was directed at no one in particular. There was absolutely no reason for you to respond with a personal remark. I don't talk to you like that. Not everything is worthy of high drama -- and this week was actually less high drama, than it was a lot of political kabuki.

    If McCain's intent all along was to kill the measure, then he should've done so three days ago on the motion to proceed -- or better still, just stayed home in Arizona and let the GOP's effort flounder and collapse on a 50-49 vote. Instead, he arose from his sickbed, flew into town and amid great fanfare, proceeded to make a public spectacle of himself.

    If there was a genuine hero on the GOP side, it was Maine's Susan Collins, who from the very moment the House bill crossed over was entirely consistent in her principled opposition throughout the Senate's entire wretchedly undemocratic process. She didn't once waver, even though the pressure on her must have been tremendous. Lisa Murkowski eventually joined her, but for the longest time Collins stood alone.

    Contrast her unyielding stance with the mercurial behavior of the GOP caucus's self-aggrandizing "Maverick." Only a little over two hours before the vote, McCain let it be publicly known that he could support McConnell's bill, provided that Speaker Paul Ryan would agree to let it go to conference, and not simply allow the House to accept the Senate's amendments and send it to the White House for Trump's signature. And so, Ryan purportedly agreed to those terms -- and then McCain reneged.

    Look, I'm glad McCain voted against the measure and it's now dead. But in my opinion, his bait-and-switch last night was much less about principle than it was naked personal opportunism on his part. He got exactly what he sought, a standing ovation and media adulation. And that's fine, as far as it goes. Because at the end of the day when all is said and done, that's really what John McCain has always been about -- himself.

    What WILL be interesting to watch is how his Republican colleagues respond to McCain after last night's public stunt. And make no mistake about it, it was a stunt. Mitch McConnell wouldn't have allowed that bill to go to the floor for Third Reading, had he not first been assured in private that he had the requisite number of votes necessary to pass it. That's why Vice President Mike Pence had been called to the Capitol, and was waiting in the chamber to cast the expected tiebreaker.

    While McConnell, Ryan, Pence and Donald Trump all clearly deserve the egg that's on their faces this morning, it would not surprise me in the slightest if they eventually seek to retaliate against McCain -- albeit quietly -- for what they likely see as his betrayal. For the other Republicans in both the House and Senate who dutifully towed the party line to support this hugely unpopular piece of legislation in the face of enormous public opposition, I can't imagine that they'll see things any differently than their leadership.



    as most people see donald (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 09:03:24 AM EST
    the "debate" was crutial to making sure the world was watching.

    dont let our celebrating disturb the pity party tho.


    The "World" is Puzzled (none / 0) (#58)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 10:24:25 AM EST
    At least the part outside of the US doesn't understand what this is all about.  They don't understand why the US doesn't have (almost) free healthcare for everyone like every other major country.

    As they should be (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40:53 AM EST
    What debate? (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 10:35:21 AM EST
    Enzi got up there and blathered on and on blocking anyone from saying anything and then they forced a vote.

    It was lawless, it destroyed Senate process.


    Boo hoo (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 10:39:08 AM EST
    "The Senate process"


    And you are right because some one on Twitter agrees with you?

    Alrighty then.


    Senate process was what Collins (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:04:36 PM EST
    And Murkowski voted for with their first NO vote.

    Sorry (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 10:40:18 AM EST
    I said I was done.

    I am weak and backslidin but now I am.


    It wasn't Senate process (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 11:58:34 AM EST
    No $hit Donals (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:08:32 AM EST
    Couldn't agree more

    True (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:22:27 AM EST
    but at this point I'm willing to pass on that feeling and be thankful he shut the crap show down.

    Yes, absolutely. The main thing here ... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:53:15 AM EST
    ... is that the bill is dead. How we actually got there really matters only to legislative insiders and political junkies. For most everyone else in the country who opposed this measure, they're simply breathing an enormous sigh of relief over its demise. That bill had more lives than Rasputin.

    btw (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 09:19:09 AM EST
    "dead" might be premature.  if you mean the effort.

    the bill is dead, as i have said dozens of times.

    i think the effort will now turn to more sane processes.

    maybe even "regular order"


    Does this mean (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 04:55:19 AM EST
    that Trump will fire Tom Price, as one of the non-X rated comments he said at the Boy Scouts Jamboree, if the Republicans did not get the votes?  That would be the icing on the cake.

    Every step Trump and Price take to strangle Obamacare and every false claim of failing etc., needs to be exposed by the Democrats.  Hard to keep up with, but after all the energy put into derailing McConnell and Trump on this by the American people, it will be mandatory.

    like i said (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:05:51 AM EST
    McCain (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 12:50:46 PM EST
    is returning to support the "MTP".  motion to proceed.  absolutely consistent for him

    McCain (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 01:07:23 PM EST
    has been pretty vocal about his feeling about the bill as it exists.  
    what he is doing, or might do, is return to support the motion to proceed so it can be debated.
    i agree with this.  IMO it absolutely should be debated.
    if he votes for the bill i will judge that separately.  debate is good

    and he was singled (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 01:11:31 PM EST
    out for a very specific kind of trashing by Trump early on.
    want to talk about betting?

    McCain will not be the vote that puts this pig of a bill over the line as it is.

    You called it! (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:47:08 AM EST
    And it WAS more satisfying to have it killed after what they are calling 'debate'....as long as it got killed.

    How much do you think Trump's atrocious behavior this week contributed? Maybe not at all, probably just made it more fun for McCain to stick it to him.


    i think Trumps behaviour (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:52:46 AM EST
    definitely contributed.  but maybe not just this week.

    i would be surprised if the "hero" thing did not make it just a bit easier for McCain to do the right thing.

    but heres the rest.  McCain was being told by AZ governor the thing would destroy the insurance market in that state.   i commented and linked about this several times.

    IMO that still counts as "doing the right thing" but lets see it for what it was.

    another thing.  im wondering if this was not somthing McCain discussed with other republicans who really wanted to vote no but were afraid to.

    i can totally see him taking on for the team.  after all, what can they do to him.

    and as you say, Trump.


    and (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:08:52 AM EST
    i can totally see him taking on for the team

    it lets him be a hero.


    i get that.  

    still.  doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is better than not.


    the "debate" (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:58:51 AM EST
    made sure the world was watching.  it was very dramatic

    Thanks Obama (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by CST on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 09:28:26 AM EST
    And to all the Democrats who actually fought for healthcare, and Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski who showed more guts than the rest of the GOP combined.  I guess Biden was right, it was a big f*cking deal.  And thanks McCain, better late than never I guess.  I guess I could thank Trump for being such a clusterf*ck of a president that he probably actually hardened the "no" votes in his attempts to garner "yes" votes (see Alaska).  

    No thanks to Joe Lieberman though.  If there had been a public option, the threat of repeal never would have gotten this far, IMO.

    Yes (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 09:34:47 AM EST
    There was a good bit of wisdom in saying once people have it you will not be able to take it away.

    I was not sure that was true but clearly it is.

    ACA is the law of the land.  Fix it and STFU republicans.


    I wasn't sure (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 10:59:47 AM EST
    either. However once you get away from the personality politics the GOP loves to play and start talking policy the GOP can't defend what they are doing. I have pointed out to conservatives that market based healthcare means that your health is now a commodity to be bartered or sold or but in the trash heap. I still don't think they understand.

    They understand (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 11:13:33 AM EST
    While I am (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 11:48:31 AM EST
    not entirely enamored by the record of John McCain, his joining with Republican senators, Collins and Murkowski, is historic in the fight to provide health care for all Americans. McCain probably does not see it by my lights, but I accept it as a welcome win for the country.

    McCain's vote to proceed can be explained, but his second vote in favor of that nasty, Cruz-imbued bill is mysterious in view of his final vote against "Skinnycare."  But, when all is said and done, the bill was done. And, that is what counts.

    The work of Senator Schumer, both holding together all the Democratic senators, including Joe Manchin, should not go unnoticed.  And, apparently, Schumer was in contact with McCain, for whatever that was actually worth.  Importantly, the vast number of Americans protesting/registering opposition get well-earned kudos.

    The situation is such that we are relieved and happy to have the courage of three Republican senators to vote against a bill drafted on the back of luncheon menus, and one that some voted for with the expectation that it would not become law. The bill should never have seen the light of day...oops, it almost didn't. and they voted on it anyway.

    who can know such things (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 03:59:42 PM EST
    but we can speculate.  i think McCain knew how this would end from the getgo.  i had been linking to the disaster in the insurance markets especially in AZ and guessing that had more to do with McCains brave return than any concern for the rank and file.  i still think so.

    as for the first vote, vile yes, but his vote was not needed for that.  it was not a squeaker.  and believing as i do he really wanted to stickit, not only to Trump but to McConnel for his disasterous leadership of this, by casting that vote he really let them believe right up to zero hour he might be with them.

    which made the final act all the more dramatic which is what the old drama queen is best at.

    your comment is reasoned and fair.  as usual.


    Bingo (none / 0) (#73)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:00:30 PM EST
    a drama, probably co-produced by Graham. A bit drawn out and certainly overly melodramatic, but it did give the newshounds something to hyperventilate over something not related to tRump....any thing for ratings I guess. In the end I suppose I enjoyed it, if only because anything that sucks oxygen from the beast and ends up sticking him the eye in the end is worth it.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:05:32 PM EST
    Definitely Graham.

    Like I opined in another comment. I think they decided McCain would save all their bacon and of course he would do it because it was a chance to grandstand.

    IMO you can be sure it Ryan's weasel words were not good enough for McCain they were not good enough for Graham.


    Murkowski Collins and McCain? (none / 0) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jul 27, 2017 at 11:37:44 PM EST
    I'd be surprised but there is chatter.

    McCain just voted "no." (none / 0) (#8)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:26:37 AM EST
    The roll call continues. If Collins and Murkowski vote no McConnell loses again.

    Murkowski is no (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:30:29 AM EST
    Collins votes No (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:31:45 AM EST
    It looks like it all comes down to McCain (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jul 27, 2017 at 11:44:22 PM EST
    based on where everyone is standing.

    Reading the tea leaves (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:04:27 AM EST
    This is looking very much like a dagger to McConnell

    Pence has left (none / 0) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:15:27 AM EST

    GOP trying to flip Murkowski.

    Did "mother" call Pence and tell him (none / 0) (#7)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:26:24 AM EST
    it's time for bed?

    Pence would have pulled Murkowski (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:29:59 AM EST
    out of the room to try and flip her but mother said no.

    "Mother do you think Don'll try... (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 09:16:19 AM EST
    to break my balls?"

    "Ooh Ahh Mother, we'll just move on and try to build The Wall."


    McCain votes No (none / 0) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:26:11 AM EST

    will anyone here (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:07:39 AM EST
    admit they were, what, perhaps a bit rash trashing and piling on McCain?

    Pffft (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:07:39 AM EST
    UNeal how you are attempting to make McCain a hero. He damn near destroyed the process of the Senate.

    Collins and Murkowski...heroic, John McCain? Not THAT


    I would (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:46:40 AM EST
    agree. Collins and Murkowski are the ones that have been consistent in their opposition against this nonsense.

    There is a big push now (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:54:32 AM EST
    To name the true heroes, and it's them

    or at the very least (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:09:33 AM EST
    say something nice for what he just did.

    Something nice for what he just did (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by vicndabx on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:16:21 AM EST
    I was a skeptic and I'm pretty sure McCain does not have the ACA's best interests at heart.

    I'm glad however that he voted the way he did.  A win is a win.


    absolutely (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:19:48 AM EST
    insurance companies are changing their diapers this morning.

    No they're not. (none / 0) (#35)
    by vicndabx on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:32:46 AM EST
    They've already made plans for next year. This was only a small portion of insurers business.

    Obviously, this is capitalism, there'd be an impact, just not to the extent you are imagining.



    FORBES (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:44:10 AM EST
    The health insurance industry blasted the latest Republican Senate proposal to eliminate the individual mandate to buy insurance, saying it would raise health costs on millions of Americans and wreak havoc on insurance markets.

    But without an individual mandate that requires Americans to have coverage, people would only buy insurance when they got sick. Thus, individual responsibility is needed to make sure the risk pool has healthy people paying claims to help cover costs of the sick.

    America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), another large lobby for health plans,  Thursday added to concerns about the GOP Senate-led "skinny repeal" saying it "opposes an approach that eliminates the individual coverage requirement," AHIP CEO Marilyn Tavenner said in a letter to McConnell and Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer. AHIP represents Humana, Centene, Oscar Health and dozens of Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans.

    "Policies that do not stabilize the market and simply drop incentives for people to buy coverage will repeat what we have seen in the past: premiums will rise rapidly, few or no affordable coverage options will be available and more people will be uninsured ," AHIP CEO Tavenner said in her letter to Senate leaders.

    Insurers, like doctors groups led by the American Medical Association and other providers such as the American Hospital Association, would instead like to see Congress shore up the public exchanges. One way to do that would be for the Donald Trump White House and the GOP Congress to commit to funding cost-sharing reductions that low-income Americans who buy Obamacare policies use to pay their out-of-pocket costs.

    AZ Daily Sun

    Ten governors -- five Republicans and five Democrats -- have asked the Senate to drop the idea, warning it is "expected to accelerate health plans leaving the individual market, increase premiums, and result in fewer Americans having access to coverage." The governors want Congress to start over and try to come up with a bipartisan approach.

    this has been discussed for weeks.  it was not covered much because of the DC sh!tshow


    btw (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:47:09 AM EST
    AZ would have been hit particularly hard.  for several reasons.  McCain even talked about this befor the vote.

    Yes, they opposed it (none / 0) (#40)
    by vicndabx on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:53:39 AM EST
    They're not interested in screwing people over, as I've said.

    Well (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:39:16 AM EST
    I would disagree to a point. The goal of insurance is not to screw people over. The goal is to make money though there are times where they do end up screwing people over and don't have a whole lot of remorse about it.

    Speaking as someone who has been in the insurance industry for 25 years.


    i dont know about all that (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:04:16 AM EST
    i think they are concerned about making money.

    if i understood your comment i have not found insurance companies all that concerned about screwing people over.


    aparrently not (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:09:07 AM EST
    Collins, Murkowski and McCain (none / 0) (#12)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:32:08 AM EST
    vote "no"'on skinny repeal. Heller votes yes.

    So Lindsay Graham, after calling this bill (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 12:46:01 AM EST
    -- accurately -- a "disaster" and a "fraud," voted YES?? Is there a clearer indicator of these people's total lack of principles?

    Depends on the principle (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by vicndabx on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:20:34 AM EST
    He supports his side consistently in spite of reservations.

    Heller is toast (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 01:08:48 AM EST
    McConnell made him vote on a failed bill.....

    seriously (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 06:26:21 AM EST
    if pretty damn funny.  ablosutely totally burned toast.

    So it's off to the gym (none / 0) (#38)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:49:24 AM EST
    for me.  Can't wait to hear what my 'friends' think about the vote.  More to follow.

    please report (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 07:50:55 AM EST
    i have been following the wailing on FB with much delight.

    cant wait for cocktail hour (10am)


    The old Marine was at the gym. (none / 0) (#69)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 04:34:55 PM EST
    The lawyer wasn't.  The Marine said the Republican Party is so mixed up he wouldn't vote for any of them, and Trump is totally out of his mind.  He then grinned and said he would never vote for anybody we ever put up.  He started with the Hillary rant but I shut him down.  That's all they have, along with their Obama hatred.  The lawyer explains in a more civil manner.  He bought a used Ferrari for $120 large, so he goes to the gym earlier when the road is clear.  They won't change.

    who cares if they change (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 04:39:54 PM EST
    as long as they dont vote.  and thats exactly what i have seen all day.  

    seriously this is republican death for the midterms.  these people are going to stay home.  and democrats are going to turn out in record numbers.  


    Heretical... (none / 0) (#72)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 04:53:07 PM EST
    Somehow (none / 0) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 04:45:43 PM EST
    Hillary is the reason for their own poor choices. It's getting to the point every time they bring up Hillary it's become downright funny. Of course, now they have two more women to beat up on named Murkowski and Collins.

    He is (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:40:34 AM EST
    Sandoval begged him to vote no.

    so is Capito (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 09:04:24 AM EST
    Interesting that (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 28, 2017 at 08:52:44 AM EST
    on Nichole Wallace's show yesterday the point was made that McConnell is absolutely not doing his job which is to serve his senators. Even George Will was on his case about how McConnell used to believe in institutions but now has gone down the rabbit hole with Trump.