Repeal of Affordable Health Care Act Advances in Senate

An ailing John McCain flies in to vote, Republicans once again kowtow to the Charlatan's boisterous threats, and Mike Pence breaks a tie vote. The Senate bill to repeal the Affordable Health Care Act advances.

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..... The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles.

This is an utter train wreck that is barreling towards us. [More...]

< Monday Night Open Thread: This and That | Trump Ramps Up Criticism of AG Sessions >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft

  • Display: Sort:
    I just don't even know what to say about (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:56:48 PM EST
    this anymore, I really don't.

    We have a president who is cracking up before our eyes.  I mean what person in his right mind goes before the Boy Scouts and rails about fake news and crooked Hillary and brags about his great win in November?  To children.

    We have Republicans in the House and Senate who are - by and large - assisting Trump in sending us to hell in a handbasket.

    People have been protesting, burning up the phone lines, tweeting and texting, writing letters, showing up at town halls to tell their representatives that they don't want the ACA repealed, they want it fixed.  

    And the Cabinet departments...jeez, don't get me started on Pruitt and DeVos and all the other completely unqualified people being installed throughout the government.  

    You know what's in a death spiral?  Representative democracy.  Why?  Because those elected as representatives of the people aren't listening, aren't doing what the people are loudly and in great numbers telling them.

    Yes, not much left other than staring (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:09:14 PM EST
    At that little high definition powdered puckered mouth.

    Hi Anne, (none / 0) (#25)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 07:14:55 PM EST
    "We have a president who is cracking up before our eyes."
    No, he's doing exactly what he set out to do. That is, speed up the process both Parties have been doing more slowly for many years. And, that is, destroy everything that has made America the envy of the civilized world for its citizens. I would say that process fired up its afterburners with the election of Ronald Reagan. You know, "Government can't fix the problem, it is the problem." The era of "make everything a profit center," was launched. The mantra, "privatize everything, greed is good," had taken root.

    I remember writing here several years ago regarding a meeting I had read about. It was a meeting attended by some of the high level analysts and advisors from both Parties. Anyway, their conclusion was that the two party system had run its course, and, that our country was no longer governable. Special interests had made paralysis in government inevitable. Their solution? Blow it all up, and, start all over again. "Blowing it up," could mean riots, blood in the streets, a general strike, or something equally dramatic. Compromise was no longer possible.
    "You know what's in a death spiral?  Representative democracy.  Why?  Because those elected as representatives of the people aren't listening, aren't doing what the people are loudly and in great numbers telling them."
    Yes, and, no. Elected Representatives are listening. Just not to the voters. They're listening to those who pay them, those who guarantee them a lavish life style, those who they really represent......Corporate America, the 1%. We have two Parties, The Republocrats. Two Parties....one Boss....Wall Street.

    So, Donald trump isn't crazy. He's just doing exactly what he was hired to do....Step 1, Blow it all up.  



    Actually (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 07:19:46 PM EST
    they are listening to us. They just are doing what others tell them to do.

    And yes, people wanted everything blown up or enough people wanted the entire country blown up to hire a carnival barker to do the job. He blew up all his companies so I guess he's a good person to do it.


    It's mesmerizing... (none / 0) (#35)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20:46 PM EST
    It's like watching the Titanic sink.

    no sh!t (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 09:40:33 AM EST
    all we need is an animation by Windsor McCay

    I think there is a long way (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:03:22 PM EST
    to go. The 51-vote approval allows the Senate to begin consideration of Obamacare repeal and whatever, as passed by the House back in May. McConnell will provide for grand debates/speeches for the next 20 hours before voting on Amendments to the House bill that can be little (eliminate mandates) or big (such as a total re-write as a substitute for the House bill.

    The Parliamentarian has thrown a monkey wrench into McConnell's plan, if the Amendments are more policy than financial, the reconciliation process may require 60 rather than 50 votes. It seems to me that after several unsuccessful tries, the Republicans will go for that trial balloon of "skinny repeal" , removing some taxes on health industrialists and removing the requirement that employers must provide insurance for their employees (the larger employers) and the individuals/non-group are not mandated by buy from the marketplaces.  Enough to send on to a Senate/House Conference to manipulate in secret and voila!  Gone with the wind is health care, the only remaining question, will it be 17 million fewer covered or 32 million fewer covered. Of course, health care only reflects about 18 percent of the GNP so what does it matter, and what impact can it have..on say, housing markets, as catastrophes cause sick people to lose their homes.  

    As the Captain has stated, the only silver lining is that as of today, Republicans own whatever emerges and bear the consequences. The Republicans were/are determined to ending/undermining Obamacare--must erase Obama.  

    As for McCain, and as always, not impressed, except with his ability to buffalo the media for so long, e.g., maverick, etc.  He is party line, flies in, gets his standing ovation, calls for regular order, and votes to proceed irregularly to an unknown bill that hasn't been seen, hasn't gone to committee. No hearings. If McCain voted no, it would have forced McConnell into regular order.

    The GOP owning health care isn't going to (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:16:26 PM EST
    mean diddly-squat to my 24 yr old niece recently diagnosed with MS.

    There isn't a single Republican member of Congress whose life isn't going to continue to be full of lucrative opportunities.  So what if they own this clunker?  They'll just park it up in the woods where no one can see it, because they don't need it.  They can afford all the health care they need - and just in case, they can exclude themselves from the provisions that might make their band-aids and Vi@gr@ a little more costly.


    Hugs re your niece. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 09:29:55 AM EST
    Almost criminal. (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 06:04:50 PM EST
     There seems to be no sense of community and shared empathy in Republican bones; an individual responsibility.  Sick?  You are on your own... Or go to the ER ( of course, there is no concept of what emergency care entails) exceptions possible if a terrible sickness hits close to their home.

    This is an ideological and greed issue for Republicans....health care (or insurance to provide such) is not a right, it is a privilege. Medicare has long been in their sights, but it is probably too entrenched and applicable to them, and, unlike Medicare, Medicaid, is just another welfare program, viewed, as being for "those people."   And, Trump wants a win, any win will do.

    What the Republicans now own is a mess..and will only get worse.  A cruel and deadly way for Americans to find out.  There is no upside to denying millions of Americans health insurance coverage.  The reality is that, devastatingly, that knowledge will come out of the hides of sick and dying Americans. Maybe, then, a Medicare for All will become the possibility that it should have been for the past 50 years.


    You're right, (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 06:26:02 PM EST
    Health care is not a right.....that is, not in America.

    In the rest of the civilized world, all advanced democracies have decided it's a Right......just like it's a right to breath clean air, drink clean water, and be protected from enemies foreign and domestic. (You know, our "Socialist" Army, Navy, Marines, and, Police Departments.)

    Hey, I just gave the Republicans an idea.

    In the future maybe we'll be required to fly different color flags in front of our homes. Blue, if you bought "invasion insurance," Red, you'll just have to fend for yourselves.


    They shouldn't be allowed in the ER (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 06:21:12 AM EST
    That whole access to emergency care without insurance is what the t-shirt wearing Trumpers rely on. That policy has enabled a terrifying Russian roulette mentality to take over healthcare responsibility.

    Exactly, Anne. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 07:10:13 AM EST
    Those of us with pre-existing conditions, such as myself as a cancer survivor, now have a great big target painted on our backs.

    I wonder (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:11:37 PM EST
    If it would have forced Mitch to regular order.

    He might have just joined the president in standing by while OCare dies.

    I agree that what happens will probably be a piecemeal approach that gives the Rs a win or two like the tax thing dems have also criticised and alterations to the mandate and leaves Medicaid alone for the Ds.


    Well the only (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 07:17:05 PM EST
    good thing I can say today is I got dialed into a telephone conference with my GOP Rep and I live in a 70/30 Trump district. The calls that he took were 80% running against him. He must be scared if he's putting me in on a call with him.

    I did not get to ask questions. So I wrote them down and am going to call his office tomorrow and hit his people with my questions.

    Affordable health care (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Lora on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 09:47:24 PM EST
    The other piece, which I suppose is too favorable to Big Pharma and Big AMA and Big Whomever to mess with, is the actual cost of health care.

    Can anyone explain to me, how a non-profit nursing home in NE Pennsylvania can get away with charging $110,000 per year?

    And, does Medicaid pay that same price, or is that cost just for those people who have saved their money for decades (and were fortunate enough to have money to save) so they can just hand it all over --- ?

    I have to believe it can be done cheaper and with high quality.

    I don't get it.

    Medicaid (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 11:13:08 PM EST
    probably gets it for less money. However the big problem here is the way we practice medicine. It is one of the reasons why our costs are so high. in other countries doctors are on salaries so there is no incentive for them to surgeries etc. unless they are really necessary.

    I keep hearing MSM (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 03:34:38 PM EST
    noises about how it is just a procedural vote, McCain and others will vote no on the final bill. I call BS.

    no one has (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 03:40:21 PM EST
    any idea what "the final bill" will be.  but its clear what the no's want.  two Rs voted no today.  then there is Heller who would not vote for anything that looks like the final bill.

    McCain said in the remarks he would not support the bill as it exists.


    Well I hope you are right (none / 0) (#8)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:12:47 PM EST
    and I may even tell myself it is true so I can sleep at night, but these guys are all weasels so I don't trust anything they say. Trump says bow down and they all bow down.

    Which reminds me of a song...

    Elvis Costello, 'You Bowed Down'

    And now every time that we meet on the edge of hysteria
    You're helping them sell off some new party line
    I remember a time when you would have seemed so superior
    Now you say "Will you please meet this good friend of mine?"
    So you're in demand as long as you kiss their hand
    But all the applause is for their name not yours

    No doubt (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:22:55 PM EST
    Like I said.  Our only hope is self interest.  Imagine what those town halls are going to be like NOW.  People are paying attention to this at a level not seen in recent history.

    I think we all need to take heart.  Breath.  Extinguish our hair and see what happens now.

    I see it this way.  They were going to let OCare die anyway.  Now they own Healthcare.  If it's a disaster, which is quite possible, we will win 70 house seats in 18.


    Yes, see they had to vote yes (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 03:53:49 PM EST
    So that they THEN could set thselves up to vote no :)

    it has been (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 03:37:38 PM EST
    barreling toward us since Nov of 2016.

    IMO there is a glass partly filled here.

    they will not allow OCare to survive if they can kill it.  they will not.  Trump will do whatever he has to to make it fail.  and there is plenty he can do.

    this process is all we have for hope until we elect a better congress.  

    there are enough republicans who understand how completely F-ed they would be if they take away peoples health care that i am hopeful.

    its known here i am and have always been a staunch defender of OCare.  that may no longer be an option.  its dying and they will try to make sure it does.  

    and once they do that they own healthcare.  im pretty sure there are enough sane republicans who understand at that point they will have to either make changes to OCare to save it.  and call it something else.

    I don't understand where you get this hope from (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by vicndabx on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 03:51:37 PM EST
    specifically, why you think the GOP will redeem itself on this bill or whatever bill they finally pass.  You do understand these bills need to be structured in a certain way in order for tax cuts to be palatable?  They're going to remove coverage from a lot of people.

    the hope (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:05:07 PM EST
    is self interest.  all those no votes understand very well they will be out of a job come the next election if they roll over.

    The self interest is what made Obamacare (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:56:10 PM EST
    Almost impossible to pass, and that was when we were in the midst of a horrendous healthcare crisis. Most of the country was doubled over in pain. Children with cancer were being "denied" treatment. There will be no self interest that unites to provide healthcare. Nobody wants to pay their portion. That's what this is all about. Everybody has an excuse for why their portion is too much. And they just breached the wall.

    A simple fix (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 06:30:04 PM EST
    Pay for it out of general income taxes.....just like we pay for our military.

    But taxes kill puppies and kittens (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 07:20:57 AM EST
    And ducklings

    Everyone knows this


    Nope, not enough sane Republicans (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 03:55:19 PM EST
    If they were they'd fix ACA instead of blowing us all up.

    Senators on hot mic.... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 04:56:32 PM EST
    That pic of Farenthold (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:20:50 PM EST
    In his jammies is amazing

    "What, me worry?" (none / 0) (#34)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 11:13:40 PM EST
    Charlie Pierce on John McCain (none / 0) (#15)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:10:08 PM EST
    The Price of John McCain's Republican Loyalty

    But the ugliest thing to witness on a very ugly day in the United States Senate was what John McCain did to what was left of his legacy as a national figure. He flew all the way across the country, leaving his high-end government healthcare behind in Arizona, in order to cast the deciding vote to allow debate on whatever ghastly critter emerges from what has been an utterly undemocratic process. He flew all the way across the country in order to facilitate the process of denying to millions of Americans the kind of medical treatment that is keeping him alive, and to do so at the behest of a president* who mocked McCain's undeniable military heroism.


    So he got a standing ovation when he walked into the chamber, and that was all right, and then he cast the vote to proceed. And then, having done so, he climbed onto his high horse and delivered an address every word of which was belied by the simple "yes" he had traveled so far to cast.


    I wanted this to be different. In 2000, I thought McCain might be the person to lead his party back to marginal sanity at least. But he wanted to be president, so he became like all the rest of them. Yes, he scolded that person who said Barack Obama was a Muslim, but he chose as his running mate a nutty person who still may believe he is. Yes, he put his name on a campaign finance reform bill, but he also voted for every member of the Supreme Court who subsequently eviscerated that law, and others like it, and he's been absent from that fight ever since. There have been very few senators as loyal to the party line as John McCain. He has been a great lost opportunity to the country. Now, he will end his career as the face of whatever wretchedness is brought on the country by whatever the bill finally is.

    Someone on Twitter (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:22:22 PM EST
    Can't remember immediately who, but some libtard :) tweeted, "And John McCain picks which hill he will die on"

    My late grandmother had five words ... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 05:33:13 PM EST
    ... which nearly sum up self-inflating egotists like John McCain: "All meringue and no filling."

    meringue (none / 0) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 06:06:40 PM EST

    LOL! (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 08:15:21 PM EST
    The GOP Senate Better Care Reconciliation Act (none / 0) (#29)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 09:03:38 PM EST
    Gets voted down 57-43

    Republican Senators voting against it (none / 0) (#30)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 09:07:37 PM EST
    Mike Lee
    Susan Collins
    Bob Corker
    Lindsey Graham
    Rand Paul
    Dean Heller
    Jerry Moran
    Lisa Murkowski
    Tom Cotton

    The bolds are the ones to keep an eye on with Rand Paul always a wild card. It appears Capito (WV) has been bought off and will be a "yes" from here on out.


    Capito (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 09:25:53 PM EST
    may end up losing her seat over what she is doing. Send Manchin out and have him repeat over and over what she has done.

    I'd merely note here that John McCain, ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 07:01:01 AM EST
    ... self-titled "Maverick of the U.S. Senate," voted with Majority Leader McConnell.

    Yeah, I gotcher Maverick for youz -- right here.


    repeal only (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 03:26:12 PM EST
    just went down by a comfortable margin.

    the video (none / 0) (#36)
    by linea on Tue Jul 25, 2017 at 11:30:04 PM EST
    i never saw that video or song before. it's a cover of a chuck berry song?

    If we assume the line about "the pump don't work 'cause the vandal took the handle" is about a gas pump, then it's quite possible that Dylan just came up with line because he was borrowing the gas station imagery from the last verse of the Chuck Berry song.

    i dont believe this. gas pumps dont have removable handles. pumps on water wells (driven point pipe wells) have removable handles. like on a small farm, that sort.

    Look out kid... (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 09:33:53 AM EST
    That's beat-generation poet Allen Ginsberg engaged in conversation on the left side of the screen.

    "Subterranean Homesick Blues" is one (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 12:09:13 AM EST
    of Bob Dylan's great early rock songs (1965). Dylan did credit Chuck Berry as an inspiration for the song. The video is an excerpt from a classic film about Dylan from 1967 called "Don't Look Back." The final line of the song, about the pump handles, has been the epigram of his blog for many years. Scroll down to the bottom of the right-hand roll.

    Dylan blogs? (J/K) (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 01:33:32 AM EST
    I think Peter meant "this blog" ... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 07:05:40 AM EST
    ... as in TalkLeft, and not "his blog" as in Bob Dylan's.

    J/K (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 08:06:29 AM EST
    Means just kidding.


    (For your information)


    Whatever. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 09:01:38 AM EST
    I think you are correct. (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 08:50:14 AM EST
    This afternoon's Senate vote on a partial repeal (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 03:28:22 PM EST
    of the ACA loses with 55 No's.
    Republicans voting No:
    Capito (a pleasant surprise)

    Since the Motion to Proceed (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 26, 2017 at 03:30:32 PM EST
    Collins, Heller, and Murkowski are consistent in the No column. Others fluctuate.