Monday Open Thread

Sorry about the lack of blogging this weekend. I just don't feel like writing when all the news is about Trump. And I had more important things to do. Like try and find this pair of sunglasses worn by actress Kate del Castillo. I spent hours online trying to match and find them and couldn't. I ended up going to my local optical shop and buying these, which while different, I really like. [More...]

Speaking of Kate Del Castillo, the original La Reina del Sur (not the bad U.S. adaptation) is going to do a new season in 2018 and she will reprise the role of Teresa Mendoza. Kate flew to Madrid to meet with the book's author, Arturo Pérez-Reverte, and he agreed to write the sequel. Her Netflix show, Ingobernable, is also renewed for a second season.

But there's more welcome TV news to get excited about. El Senor de los Cielos (Season 5) will start airing June 20. That's next week! It will be on every weeknight at 9pm (MT). From the promos, Aurelio's mother (who we last saw in season 3 I think when she ran off to join a convent) is back. So are Monica and Rutila. Even the MS-13 guy is back. This season, instead of fighting the cops, the battle will be between the family: Aurelio vs. Victor, Jr. Here's the first trailer:

In Trump news,a new lawsuit against him has been filed against him by the attorney generals of Maryland and the District of Columbia. You can read the complaint here.

Finally, ISIS is expanding to a new social media platform called BAAZ. I tested it out and it's actually a pretty good platform for trending news all over the world (having nothing to do with ISIS) ISIS' media spokesman issued an audio announcement today but it's in Arabic so I don't know what it says yet.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    And on a completely different, (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 11:33:56 AM EST
    Non-political note, a stupid rabbit got into our garden and ate off about half the green bean plants.  We planted more seeds, but I'm ticked.
    If he doesn't knock it off, there's going to be some kouneli stifado (Greek rabbit stew) on the table.

    i did not plant this year (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 02:56:14 PM EST
    because i knew this would happen.  not just rabbitts.  i think next year i am going to use my many sq yards of deck for some container planting.  i dont think they will be as willing to come up on the deck.

    Have you ever thought about installing ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:04:51 PM EST
    ... a barn owl nestbox on your farm, if you haven't done so already? Since 90% of a barn owl's diet is small mammals, a vigilant and nesting pair of them can control the number of rats, mice, gophers and rabbits on a rural property, without you having to resort to more extreme measures.

    OTOH, (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:31:12 PM EST
    I can also post a recipe for the Greek rabbit stew, placing it prominently out in the garden, as a warning to the rabbits.

    Kouneli stifado.


    1 medium-size rabbit (about 1 1/2 kg), cut into serving pieces

    For the marinade
    2 cups dry red wine
    2 bay leaves
    6-10 allspice berries
    1 cinnamon stick

    Flour for dredging
    1 cup olive oil
    salt and freshly ground black pepper
    2 pounds small round stewing onions, whole
    2 cups dry red wine
    1 cup chopped tomato
    2 bay leaves
    1 cinnamon stick
    1 orange

    Peel onions Wash and cut orange into 8 wedges
    Remove and discard the innards from the rabbit.
    Wash the rabbit well and pat dry.

    1. Place rabbit in a large bowl. Pour in the wine, and add the bay leaves, allspice berries and cinnamon. Marinate the rabbit overnight, covered, in the refrigerator.
    2. In a wide, heavy stewing pot, heat half a cup of olive oil.
    Add the onions and cook in the oil over medium-low heat for about 20 minutes, until the onions are lightly browned and translucent.
    1. Shake the pot back and forth over the course of cooking the onions, so that they turn and brown on all sides.
    2. In the meantime, remove the rabbit from the marinade, pat dry and dredge lightly with flour.
    3. Discard the marinade. Remove onions with a slotted spoon and set aside.
    4. Add another quarter cup of olive oil to the pot and heat.
    5. Place the rabbit pieces in the pot and sear to brown over medium-high heat, turning on all sides.
    6. Place the orange wedges over the rabbit.
    7. Pour in the wine and tomato; add the bay leaves and cinnamon stick. Lower heat and cover.
    8. Simmer rabbit over low heat for about one and a half hours, or until tender. Remove, cool slightly and serve.

    (You can make this with chicken, BTW, although it won't need as long to cook.)

    And, in truth, I wouldn't cook a rabbit that was killed this time of year because of the danger of tularemia, which people can get, and it makes them very, very ill.  There is a reason that the legal rabbit hunting season is in the Fall and Winter, when the weather is colder and the rabbits sick with tularemia have tended to die off.


    Thank you. (none / 0) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 11:25:10 PM EST
    I was about to ask where you could substitute another meat, because you can't find rabbit in Hawaii stores. Then I saw your note about chicken. I'm going to try this after we get home on Saturday.

    And PS (none / 0) (#121)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 11:23:15 AM EST
    It looks like I forgot to write in "add the onions," when you add the chicken.  ;-)
    You don't have to marinate chicken overnight, as you would with wild rabbit.  A couple of hours before you cook it, is plenty.

    That sounds pretty tasty...I've seen (none / 0) (#138)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:25:53 PM EST
    frozen rabbit in the grocery store here, but I'd probably be inclined to make it with chicken, and reduce the cooking time.

    Yes, it works (none / 0) (#140)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:59:52 PM EST
    perfectly fine with chicken, and it doesn't take as long to cook, nor to marinade.
    OTOH, it does take a lot if red wine, half for the marinade, half for the cooking.
    Oh, darn, some of the rest if the wine can go into the cook.   ;-)

    My friend's little girl contracted tularemia (none / 0) (#196)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 20, 2017 at 01:31:58 AM EST
    From a tick bite. Difficult diagnosis. She was so ill they began treating her for Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever even though they did not have results back from the CDC. When results arrived they had to use the same antibiotic they had been using but double strength, fed intravenously daily out patient. It was an awful treatment for such a little girl, the IV burned, her kidney function was dangerous at one point, but she fully recovered.

    The sound of rabbits being killed (none / 0) (#88)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:03:54 PM EST
    late at night is enough to make your hair stand on end, I can tell you that..

    The foxes used to get rabbits in the field across the street from our house fairly frequently, and it was a sound I never got used to.

    The silence of the rabbits..


    so so true (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:08:40 PM EST
    my dogs have gotten a couple.

    "...so that you never ever again wake up to that awful screaming of the rabbits, Clarice."


    Why are the rabbits screaming, jondee? (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:25:24 PM EST

    Yes, I know. It's a horrible sound. I heard it once in Illinois when I was about 10 years old, and I've never forgotten it. I was at my aunt's and uncle's house in Barrington (an outer suburb of Chicago), and one afternoon my cousin and I saw a red-tailed hawk which had caught a small cottontail rabbit and had it pinned on the ground in their back yard.

    The raptor had already commenced skinning and consuming its prey because we could see the pink flesh and blood. But then the rabbit suddenly screamed in obvious pain and we realized to our amazement and horror that the hawk was literally eating the animal while it was still alive. We ran inside and got my uncle and he went outside, whereupon the hawk then flew away with the rabbit still in its talons. That was nature up close and personal, and that triggered my fascination with birds of prey.

    In contrast to hawks, an owl's talons can apply about 500 ft. lbs. of pressure with its grip, which is more than enough to pierce vital organs of their prey and kill it pretty quickly. Once its prey is dead, a barn owl will generally swallow it whole, head first. (Warning: While that linked video's not gory, it's also not for the squeamish.) Hawks and eagles don't do that.



    Nature, (none / 0) (#101)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:33:30 PM EST
    Red of tooth (or beak) and claw.

    Have you ever heard (none / 0) (#141)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 02:03:55 PM EST
    feral cats mating?  They're quite screechy as well.

    First time I heard foxes screaming, (none / 0) (#143)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 02:30:34 PM EST
    I thought some unfortunate animal was being taken apart by another animal - it was bloodcurdling.

    Try racoons getting it on (none / 0) (#148)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:13:25 PM EST
    at night in the tree five feet from your bedroom window.

    I hope it was a good for them as it was weird-bad for us.

    Sounded like a raucous martian orgy.


    Charles Pierce site (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:53:46 PM EST
    links to a story about a rabid raccoon

    "If there hadn't been water on the ground, I don't know what I would have done," Borch said of drowning the animal. "It really was just dumb luck. I've never killed an animal with my bare hands. I'm a vegetarian. It was self-defense."

    Her advice for others who find themselves facing a rabid animal? Borch said she has none.

    "I always thought of raccoons as this cute, cuddly forest animal," she said. "I just will never look at them the same way."

    This Local News Story About a Woman and a Rabid Raccoon is a Literary Masterpiece


    Aldabra tortoises... (none / 0) (#165)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:06:18 PM EST
    make some surprising vocalizations.  Well the male does.

    Donald, we have an actual barn, (none / 0) (#98)
    by Zorba on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:16:55 PM EST
    And two tractor sheds, all of which do have barn owls in them.
    We also have great horned owls.  (And screech owls, too, but they're too small to catch rabbits.  But they're cute little things.)
    We also have foxes and coyotes.
    The predators aren't the problem, it's just that rabbits breed so prolifically.
    We're going to have to start spraying the bean plants as they grow with the hot pepper sauce and water mixture that we use on our fruit to discourage the deer.

    Well, then, ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 11:17:57 PM EST
    ... homemade rabbit stew sounds wonderful. We never had a problem with rabbits in California, because the state doesn't have any.

    We'd see jackrabbits on occasion in open areas, but only very rarely in residential communities. The most common wildlife I'd see in Pasadena were squirrels, opossums, coyotes and raccoons. And for some reason we always had a lot of skunks in the neighborhood; you'd see them in the late afternoon and evening, usually rooting around the flower beds in people's yards, looking for grubs. And we did have to watch out for rattlesnakes.

    Up the road in Altadena near the boundary of Angeles National Forest, residents also have to cope with deer, bobcats, black bears and the occasional mountain lion which will wander into the community. In my brother's neighborhood in Glendora, if you don't keep your trash cans sealed properly, the bears will find their way in and you'll have a big mess to clean up in the morning.

    For a number of years, my grandparents had a pair of great horned owls that roosted in the pine tree in their front yard. They had a problem with bats one time when I was a teenager; the animals found an opening somewhere and took up residence in the attic. City Vector Control found the problem spot and sealed it one early evening after the bats awoke and took off to feed, and that was that.

    Still, for all their inconveniences, I'd much rather cope with wildlife than have to make do without them.



    "never had a problem with rabbits in Ca" (none / 0) (#124)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 11:56:08 AM EST
    We never had a problem with rabbits in California, because the state doesn't have any.

    Well, you may never have had a problem with rabbits in CA, but the state certainly does have them, by the millions.

    I live in the Conejo Valley, it was not named ironically.


    Well, there are lots of rabbits (none / 0) (#130)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23:36 PM EST
    I walk my dog very, very early in the morning before sunrise.

    As we walk in a nearby park, there are lots of rabbits eating grass.  Maybe half a dozen at least.  They scurry away down a slop of sagebrush, where they presumably live.


    "down a slope" (none / 0) (#131)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:24:27 PM EST
    You guys ever see any rattlers? (none / 0) (#153)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:37:53 PM EST
    I always wanted to see one, just not too close up.

    There's a few different kinds (none / 0) (#158)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 05:04:27 PM EST
    out there isn't there?

    In the boonies out this way there's timber rattlers and the little massauga (sp?) rattlers. I like snakes, but I wouldn't mess with those guys. Just to see one you have to be far out from everything, which means far from the nearest hospital.

    They say the old time fiddlers used to put the rattles inside their fiddles.


    They used to come into our backyard (none / 0) (#159)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 05:09:43 PM EST
    on the regular. Not sure why we haven't seen one there in a long time now, but we're not complaining!

    Yeah they're really good at blending in (none / 0) (#161)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 05:22:00 PM EST
    and don't take being stepped on too kindly.

    Maybe you should get a mongoose.


    Rikki-Tikki-Tavi? (none / 0) (#163)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 05:44:05 PM EST
    Yeah that one (none / 0) (#168)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:32:57 PM EST
    Yep, rattlers (none / 0) (#174)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 07:34:25 PM EST
    Used to have a couple of Goldens and would walk them in the hills nearby.  Had to stop that when they come out of hibernation during Spring.

    One of my Goldens, a sweet but too trusting soul, saw a rattler stretched out on an asphalt access road as it was sunning itself, and thought it looked very interesting.  That was it for that trail.

    This Golden would also chase coyotes when they would be flushed out.  The male Golden, the stately lion like protector, was a bit wiser about such things.


    Thank you. I stand corrected. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:53:37 PM EST
    I did some research, and California does indeed have two native species of rabbits called the desert cottontail and brush rabbit, respectively, but I honestly never saw any while growing up in the San Gabriel Valley.

    From what I read, the desert cottontail is not nearly as commonplace and widespread as its eastern counterpart, and they tend to be much more shy and prefer dense cover. (When I've been back east, I regularly see eastern cottontails brazenly out in the open in parks, people's yards, etc.) But large localized populations are certainly probable in locales such as yours, particularly if they're aren't that many predators around in your community to keep their numbers in check.

    I used to see jackrabbits in the Hahamonga Watershed Park in La Cañada, and also when hiking up to Henninger Flats or Chantry Flats and on Mt. Wilson, and less often when in Eaton Canyon and Millard Canyon. But I'd never see them in the neighborhood. Jackrabbits are pretty easily distinguishable from rabbits because of their size. Further, they'll raise themselves on their hindquarters to scope you out and discern whether you pose an active threat to them, whereas rabbits just try to hide or run away.

    But I never saw any rabbits on my hikes in the San Gabriel and San Bernardino mountains, nor did I see them in Pasadena and nearly suburban communities -- which of course means only that, and not that there weren't any around.



    eating the grass in our backyard. Before we took out the lawn and stopped watering.

    Good for you! (none / 0) (#175)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 07:36:24 PM EST
    Across the street from the park where the rabbits graze at night, there is a beautiful house.  they took out their front yard grass and now have bushes, sage and rocks....it actually looks pretty good.

    Thanks. We went for a contemporary (none / 0) (#179)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 16, 2017 at 11:09:24 AM EST
    look. Even had a cool piece of modern art installed that also functions as a privacy screen.

    Lawns are so English. (none / 0) (#182)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 16, 2017 at 10:07:19 PM EST
    My mother was inspired by the neighbor's xeriscaping with indigenous drought-resistant plants and grasses, so she had the front and back yard lawns removed and landscaped likewise. It does save having to water a lot, and looks a lot more natural.

    lawns are quite natural here (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 17, 2017 at 06:15:59 AM EST
    i have never watered my lawn here.  no one does,  they just stay green.  even before the climate changed to subtropical recently.  these days the down side is the have to be cut weekly because of the rain.  instead of biweekly like the good ole days.

    in fact any other kind of landscaping besides green is twice as much work to keep out the grass.  or gallons of grass killer.  


    What is this "lawn" (5.00 / 2) (#185)
    by desertswine on Sat Jun 17, 2017 at 04:55:42 PM EST
    of which you speak?

    We have put up electric fences. (none / 0) (#125)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 11:59:21 AM EST
    Not really "fences," per se, really just a few strands of wire around the perimeter of the vineyard. Very inexpensive and very effective against rabbits and racoons.

    We have electric fencing (none / 0) (#127)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:01:57 PM EST
    around our garden.  Very effective at keeping the deer out.  The rabbits go under it, though.

    Our wires are probably lower than yours. (none / 0) (#128)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:07:20 PM EST
    We have not had to deter deer. Yet, anyway...

    We may have to (none / 0) (#133)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:58:25 PM EST
    put a third strand of wire lower down, but we need the higher strand to discourage deer- they can cause a lot more damage than rabbits.
    Besides, it's easy enough to get one of our shotguns out and shoot the rabbits invading our garden.
    Not that we love doing this, but we have.  
    What we will be doing more of is spraying the bean plants with hot sauce, diluted with water.  This works well to keep the deer from eating our fruit, and I'm sure it will work with rabbits.
    Mammals have capsaicin receptors, and they don't like hot sauce.
    You don't need that much to discourage them, either.  They can smell it, and stay away.

    Good to know about the capsaicin, (none / 0) (#134)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:01:17 PM EST
    sounds like you can just spray it on the ground and the critters stay away? Can you just spray the perimeter?

    We have never tried that (none / 0) (#137)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:13:17 PM EST
    We just spray the plants/fruit.  The capsaicin does not get into the fruit, all you have to do is wash the fruit (or veggies) before you eat them.
    And you don't need a whole lot of hot sauce.  We have a sprayer that holds about a quart and a half.  All we do is add maybe about a half cup of hot sauce or less, and then fill the rest up with water. Get the cheapest hot sauce you can find.
    BTW, if you have a bird feeder and are getting annoyed at squirrels eating the bird seed, sprinkle some ground cayenne pepper on the seeds, and it will discourage the squirrels, but it won't bother the birds at all.  Birds do not have capsaicin receptors.

    Great info Zorba, thanks. (none / 0) (#154)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:39:16 PM EST
    I'm a big owl fan myself (none / 0) (#152)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:31:20 PM EST
    Go owls!

    Very efficient hunters and good regulators of some other pesky critters.

    Zorba should like them due to their traditional association with Hecate, who was the Greek Goddess of something or other that I have to look up.


    Ummmmmmmm...... (none / 0) (#184)
    by Zorba on Sat Jun 17, 2017 at 03:26:56 PM EST
    Owls were generally associated with Athena, the Goddess of wisdom (and defensive war).  Also the patron goddess of Athens.
    Hecate is associated with dogs.

    We have an endemic Hawaiian owl ... (none / 0) (#191)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 08:27:30 PM EST
    ... that Native Hawaiians call "Pueo," which inhabit forests and grasslands throughout the islands. They're fairly common here on the Big Island, and we'll see them roosting in the trees out back on occasion.

    And unlike many owls, which are generally nocturnal, the Pueo is most often active during daylight hours so it's not uncommon to see them soaring over the fields outside Hilo, hunting for rodents. It's actually a subspecies of the short-eared owl, which is found throughout the world.

    We also have the barn owl, which was first introduced to the islands in 1958 as a means to control rodents on sugar plantation lands. It's easily distinguishable from the native Pueo due to its lighter plumage and larger size. Its numbers have also increased dramatically over the six decades since introduction.

    The barn owl's presence in Hawaii is an example of good intentions gone awry, as they have supplanted the Pueo and the 'Io (Hawaiian Hawk) as an apex predator. Further, they have greatly strayed from their traditional diet of rodents and other small mammals, and have instead developed a particular taste for vulnerable native ground-nesting seabirds such as the Hawaiian petrel and Newell's shearwater.

    The State Dept. of Agriculture and the Dept. of Land & Natural Resources is presently working on a plan in conjunction with federal agencies to eliminate the barn owl as an invasive species, or at least reduce its numbers significantly.



    IFL science (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:30:24 PM EST
    is one of my favorite time wasting sites.  here is a fascinating piece about an experiment to try to communicate with dolphins.  it described how it included LSD and talks (rather hilariously if you have any experience with this) about it made the dolphins very talkative but they didnt make a lot of sense.  duh.

    there is also this gem

    This corporeal communication reached controversial levels when it emerged that the male dolphin, Peter, had become sexually interested in a female researcher named Margaret Lovatt, who dutifully satisfied his urges with regular manual stimulation.

    IFL Science

    Mankind at the very least, owes a good handj*b (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:57:21 PM EST
    to a lot of members of the non-human world..

    Maybe we could get Shaquille O'Neal to do the Blue Whale as part of an ocean ecology-awareness event/fundraiser..

    Though teams of Japanese and Russian whalers working in shifts would be more appropriate.


    did you catch his "flat earth" (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:00:50 PM EST
    comments recently.

    followed some time later by a spokesperson saying "hey! it was a joke! no, really!"

    probably when his commercial endorsements were about to be yanked.  


    We need a folk tale-fairy tale appreciation (none / 0) (#90)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:12:43 PM EST
    revival in this country..

    Religion isn't filling the imaginal void; art, poetry, and music have been relegated to the "soft" "elective" category, so we're left with Alex Jones, the Flat Earth, and the Illuminati etc.


    i always (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:14:36 PM EST
    thought the new obsession with superhero/scifi/fantasy summer movies was.

    Also this (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:47:04 PM EST
    `American Gods' Star Kristin Chenoweth Is Ready for Worship
    Ahead of her scene-stealing turn as Easter in the `American Gods' season finale, the Broadway deity talks about faith, the future, and finally showing her dark side.

    This is nothing but mythology from beginning to end.  And it's amazing.  And people are watching.  

    The star power alone would insure that.  But it's really exactly what you suggest.  A new mythology.


    Chenowth sounds like she'd be a lot of fun (none / 0) (#160)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 05:13:10 PM EST
    Meanwhile...there's been a shooting event (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Anne on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 12:56:59 PM EST
    at a UPS facility in San Francisco, but I guess the fact that no political figures' lives were at risk, it's not getting a lot of coverage.

    As Charlie Pierce reminds us:

    Violence doesn't "intrude" on everyday life in America. Violence is a part of everyday life in America. A little more than a week ago, five people were shot to death in warehouse in Orlando. Is a warehouse in Orlando less innocent than a Virginia ballfield? Is a disgruntled worker taking his mad vengeance less of a demonstration of a country unhinged than a home-inspection specialist who fried his brain over politics? Is somebody who wounds over politics a worse murderer than someone who kills because he got fired? I admire the ability of anyone who can make that measured a moral choice.

    On the whole, people shouldn't get shot. They shouldn't get shot in the streets. They shouldn't get shot in school. They shouldn't get shot in the workplace. They shouldn't get shot while carrying snack food in the "wrong" neighborhood, and they shouldn't get shot while they're trying to surrender. They shouldn't get shot while dancing in a nightclub. And they shouldn't get shot on the ballfield on a spring morning.

    In the main, one victim is not more "innocent"--and, thus, of more value--than any other one. Their occupation shouldn't matter. Their politics shouldn't matter. There is a violence inherent in the country's history and there is a wildness present in its soul and, on occasion, both of these surface more clearly than is usual. Technology has made the violence more lethal and the wildness more general. The uniquely American conflation of innocence with hubris is a luxury we can no longer afford.

    I just saw an interview with a friend of the alleged shooter, and the level of badgering they subjected him to about whether the shooter had a political motive was utterly disgusting.  I suspect it's a preview of the attacks that now will come against Democrats, and there will be little conversation about guns or mental health or anything that doesn't make some kind of villain out of Dems.

    It's truly disgusting to watch the wailing and keening over this one event - it's like, well, it's one thing when it happens to some poor schlub in some poor area, but, my God, this time important, elite people we know were the victims.  Perfect example of how some lives are just judged to be more worthy than others.

    I am just disgusted.

    It's about ratings (none / 0) (#57)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 01:25:50 PM EST
    I don't like it either but it's not going to change any time soon.   Certain victims and certain suspects are more interesting to the masses.  For a while, the media was obsessed with attractive white women.  Then they switched to African Americans shot by non African Americans.  Now, Trump and politics are the big story.

    People are going to want to know what role, if any, the anti Trump resistance played in this shooting.  Was this shooter pushed over the edge by all the nonsense in the media?  

    Right now, Bernie Sanders is saying the right things..... violence isn't the solution.  

    I wish all mass shootings received less media coverage.  


    All the "nonsense" - heh (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 02:14:02 PM EST
    People are going to want to know what role, if any, the anti Trump resistance played in this shooting.  Was this shooter pushed over the edge by all the nonsense in the media?  

    Yeah - actual news and facts definitely have an "anti-Trump" bias.


    Yeah. And what I find ironic is that ... (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 02:51:44 PM EST
    ... when Congresswoman Gabby Giffords was shot and grievously wounded, and 6 others were killed and 18 injured, by a gunman in Tucson, AZ in Jan. 2011, conservatives insisted that the shooter was a deranged nut. Okay, fair enough. But when today's incident occurred, the very first thing from their mouths is an insinuation that the anti-Trump resistance was somehow involved.

    I (none / 0) (#67)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:02:43 PM EST
    suppose tRump's "I could shoot a mann on Fifth Ave...." statement was a message of peace and love.

    This is same Trump we're talking about (none / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:24:08 PM EST
    who's lent credibility to the patron saint of the dangerously unhinged, Alex Jones, and to the Michael"pizzagate" Flynn Jrs of the world?

    Do you really wanna go there about nonsense in the media? Really?


    Another excuse for encouraging fascism (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:06:56 PM EST
    Too bad an ex Rugby player (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:13:10 PM EST
    Couldn't hold the guy off with his baton.

    Agreed. As of today in the United States, ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 02:39:49 PM EST
    ... thus far in 2017 there have been:

    • 27,818 recorded incidents of gun violence;

    • 6,880 persons killed as a result of gun violence;

    • 13,503 persons injured as a result of gun violence;

    • 1,740 children under age 17 killed or injured as a result of gun violence;

    • 154 mass shootings;

    • 915 unintended or accidental shootings;

    • 132 officer-involved incidents in which an officer was killed or injured by gunfire;

    • 954 officer-involved incidents in which the subject or suspect was killed or injured by gunfire;

    • 1,133 incidents in which a firearm was brandished during a home invasion; and

    • 939 incidents in which a firearm was wielded for defensive purposes by someone other than a police officer.

    Just sayin'.

    Just to drive home how absolutely absurd ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:54:39 PM EST
    ... this self-inflicted situation actually is, since I first posted the above comment earlier today, the number cited in the second bullet point has increased by 12 persons -- and that's just today.

    My feelings are all over the place (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:11:57 PM EST
    They could barely care when Gabby Giffords and staff were opened up on.

    Freedom isn't free and all that. The legislators who were fired upon have been arguing for years all these shootings just had to be accepted. I guess so until the cross hairs are on them.


    but she was being political (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:14:15 PM EST
    he was playing baseball.

    i had to turn it off.


    ... that Sen. Rand Paul was also in attendance at GOP baseball practice this morning and -- well, irony is indeed rich sometimes.

    irony (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:46:47 PM EST
    is dead

    watching Newt Gingrich (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:18:07 PM EST
    the living person most responsible for the corruption of political discourse in this country, pi$$ and moan about the corruption of political discourse and the "violent rhetoric" of the left was it for me.  

    i like my tv.  had to save it.


    Newt (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:21:21 PM EST
    After taking tweet -credit (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:57:22 PM EST
    for fingering Qatar as promoting terrorism and addressing that problem as a result of his visit to Saudi Arabia, Secretary of Defense Mattis signed off on a deal for the sale of $12 billion for F-15 fighter jets to Qatar, part of a previously approved $20 Billion package.  White House sources have suggested that Trump may not have known Qatar is home to our large airbase in Qatar.

    If Trump didn't know that at first tweet, (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 03:46:00 PM EST
    he must have known very soon afterwards.

    And on another cooking note, (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 02:14:24 PM EST
    I am making venison pot roast tonight.
    Yes, we will be eating Bambi's father, or mother.
    What can I say?  Too bad, Bambi.
    When my kids were very young, under six years old, several of us mothers took our kids to a re-showing of Bambi.
    After the whole, Bambi's mother was killed and the father saying "Your mother won't be with you any more" or some such, daughter Zorba asked "Why did the hunter kill Bambi's mother?"
    I replied, "He's going to cook her and eat her."
    One of the other mothers was aghast, she couldn't believe I told my child that.  I said, "Are you a vegetarian?"  She said "No, we're not."  I said, "Okay, we're done here then."

    Shades of my friend and her husband (none / 0) (#146)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 03:50:26 PM EST
    re Babar and Lion King.  

    rocks (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:12:58 PM EST
    the previous occupants of this property seemed to have some kind of obsession with making rows of rocks that have no apparent propose except to impede mowing.  which they do quite effectively.

    its been hot here so i have been waking up early the last few day to move rocks.  mostly tossing them into the stream bed that runs through the yard.  turning THIS into THIS .  about half done.  

    none of this is very interesting but this morning i found a really big FOSSILIZED LOG which is actually pretty cool.  at first i thought it was some kind of molded concrete thing but on closer examination its CLEARLY CRYSTALINE

    not sure how much it shows up in that pic.  but, pretty cool.

    ive been to the petrified forest.  i loved it.  but i have never seen one locally

    on closer examination (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:17:31 PM EST
    its an odd shape for a log.

    could it be a bone.  it would be a big azz bone.  its the size of my thigh.


    You might want to post (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 09:23:41 PM EST
    some pics of that one of the fossil collector sites. That one looks like a keeper fer sure.

    My son and I are into artifacts and fossils, but my knowledge is still smattering at best. I did dig up an intact large megladon tooth a couple of years ago. Millions of years old and you could still almost cut your finger on it.


    Newt is confused (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 04:53:18 PM EST

    Republicans are delusional if they think the special counsel is going to be fair. Look who he is hiring.check fec reports. Time to rethink.
    6:34 AM - 12 Jun 2017

    Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down
    7:17 PM - 17 May 2017

    he also put up a FB video saying, as many are beginning to, that Trump should fire Mueller

    I think firing Mueller (none / 0) (#2)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 06:07:51 PM EST
    is a distinct possibility.  When Senator Kamala Harris cited the precedent of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald having written assurances in the Valerie Plame case, and asking Rosenstein for a similar assurance for Mueller, he declined.

     He only went as far as pledging his personal integrity. That and $1,450 will get you one ticket to Hello Dolly. And, of course, he can be fired faster than Bette Midler can be ushered away from her award acceptance.

    And, the argument of the Special Counsel being the "poison fruit" of Comey's so called leak sounds like something out of Kasowitz's bag of tricks, rivaling a scheme from the late Roy Cohn--one that will likely travel like wild fire with right wing/nut jobs.  Newt is a loyalist, all the more so to keep dear Calista at the Vatican.

    Trump feels he survived the last Saturday Night Massacre over Comey, and may be willing to try it, once again.  Very risky, but so is the special counsel looking into Russia and Trump business affairs.

     Probably always believed Nixon should have burned the tapes and look guilty than not burn them and remove all doubt. Republicans will just say he is "new to government," and what about Hillary's emails.


    Kamala Harris's (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 08:34:18 PM EST
    questioning seems much more vital now.  I thought she was being a nitpicker.

    But, she was apparently ahead of the curve.

    I am liking her more and more.


    It was an interesting question, (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 11:56:47 AM EST
    and, at the time, I was appreciative of Senator Harris asking about it.  I was much less appreciative of McCain so rudely interrupting Senator Harris, calling for her to permit the witness (Rosenstein) to answer. Of course, Rosenstein was evasive and dismissive, suddenly being concerned about the time (the chair's job).  The senator ended, with:  I take that as a no.

    i agree (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 06:13:22 PM EST
    i think its a virtual countdown.  i think Trump simply can not allow it to continue.  IMO, strictly my opinion, if he does he will go to jail.  possibly several others will as well.  

    if he fires him at least it upsets the chess table and resets the pieces.

    no idea what would happen then but i do think its gone far enough that people like Burrin on enough information that it will not end it.


    no less a person than (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 06:25:03 PM EST
    Ken Starr said today that firing Mueller would be a "bad idea"

    Bad optics hasn't stopped Trump yet. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 04:43:47 AM EST
    He fired Acting Attorney General Sally Yates. He fired U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara of New York, one day after he fired the other 45 U.S. Attorneys across the country. He fired FBI Director Jim Comey. He even fired White House Chief Usher Angella Reid. Why is the firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller so difficult for some people in the media to imagine?

    Trump actually can't fire Mueller - that (none / 0) (#10)
    by Anne on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 09:12:42 PM EST
    has to be Rosenstein's job.  Trump could order Rosenstein to fire him, but if Rosenstein cares at all about his reputation, he'll refuse, and resign.

    Given that Trump is little more than id in disguise as a person, whatever happens will happen regardless of, or maybe even in spite of, advice he gets to the contrary.


    Anne! (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 09:35:40 PM EST
    I haven't talked with you in like, forever. Anyway, I agree with you. It'll be up to Rosenstein, and is dependent upon how bloody he wishes to make it for his bosses Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, just as Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy AG William Ruckelshaus did for Richard Nixon.

    I mean, Nixon eventually got his way in getting rid of Watergate prosecutor Archibald Cox, but the political carnage that resulted from chewing up the DOJ chain of command until he found someone to do his bidding ultimately ended up being fatal to his presidency.




    I know, Donald, it's been a while, (none / 0) (#20)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:26:00 AM EST
    hasn't it?  So much has happened in the last year, and I still find myself looking at the person Charlie Pierce calls the "vulgar talking yam" in disbelief that we have actually come to this.

    I do have one theory: that having someone so incompetent at the top is better than having someone with similar ideas who is wise in the ways of DC and would actually be getting more done - and so, maybe, just maybe, the Trump experience will go a long way to killing the GOP brand.

    There's a vacuum here that Dems should be jumping into with both feet and crowing loud and long about filling with competent governance to benefit the majority of the country, lifting up those the GOP is determined to stomp into dust so they can pick what little is left in their pockets and put in their own.  That isn't how you grow the economy - we know this, and it's time the Dems worked their butts off making state and local economies models for the rest of the country, and - eventually - convince people that this is what we need in the WH.

    Hope your family is well - we have grandbaby #4 due in October; that will make one daughter with two December babies and the other with two October babies!  Won't know the gender until baby is born - it would be fine to have four boys, but I think we may be kind of pulling for a little girl!


    ... to be a Christmas baby in late December or early January. Younger Daughter is finishing her senior year in college and is also seeking her teaching certification, so she'll be following her mother into that profession.

    As for me, I've been accepted into UCLA's doctoral program and will be seeking my Ph.D in U.S. History. Most all of the seminars and classes are now conducted online, so I can remain in Hawaii and only have to come to L.A. on select occasions. It'll be a challenge juggling work and study, since with the time difference I'll have to take time out at mid-day over the next school year to complete the online coursework, but it'll be a fun challenge.

    Back to the subject at hand, Bloomberg Politics is reporting today that the Russian cyberattack on our election was far more widespread that had been previously disclosed:

    "In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

    "The scope and sophistication so concerned Obama administration officials that they took an unprecedented step -- complaining directly to Moscow over a modern-day 'red phone.' In October, two of the people said, the White House contacted the Kremlin on the back channel to offer detailed documents of what it said was Russia's role in election meddling and to warn that the attacks risked setting off a broader conflict.

    "The new details, buttressed by a classified National Security Agency document recently disclosed by the Intercept, show the scope of alleged hacking that federal investigators are scrutinizing as they look into whether Trump campaign officials may have colluded in the efforts. But they also paint a worrisome picture for future elections: The newest portrayal of potentially deep vulnerabilities in the U.S.'s patchwork of voting technologies comes less than a week after former FBI Director James Comey warned Congress that Moscow isn't done meddling." (Emphasis is mine.)

    Nancy LeTourneau at the Washington Monthly's Political Animal is openly questioning why Sen. Mitch McConnell and the GOP were not taking this matter more seriously last fall, in the face of mounting evidence that the Russians had deep penetrated behind our electoral system's cybersecurity walls:

    "Perhaps it's time to question McConnell and Republican leaders about why, in the face of evidence, they were not concerned about Russia's attempt to rig a US election. Did they know at the time that it was an effort to support Trump, or did they simply not care about protecting the vote? It sure has the stench of the former, but either way, it is a breathtaking response to one of the most profound challenges to our democracy in decades.

    "This is the kind of thing that makes it difficult, if not impossible, to deal with Republicans as honest opponents. As long as they are not willing to reach across the aisle and protect our election integrity in a bipartisan manner, people like Mitch McConnell must be considered toxic enemies to our democratic ideals."



    Congratulations, Donald (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 12:22:40 PM EST
    Both for the new grandbaby to be, and for your acceptance into the doctoral program at UCLA!

    Thank you, Zorba. (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:20:57 AM EST
    We've been in Southern California the last ten days, and I'm heading over to Westwood tomorrow to meet with two of the professors who'll be overseeing my course of study. I'm really excited about doing this. It's always been my dream to be a history professor. One of my former professors at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where I received my M.A., has long uged me to do this, and it was he who suggested UCLA, his alma mater. When I finally decided, he made some calls to colleagues in Westwood and gave me a glowing recommendation. He's 80 years old and still teaching!

    Let us know (none / 0) (#123)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 11:37:01 AM EST
    When we can start calling you Herr Doktor Donald.  

    Congrats, Donald - exciting times! (none / 0) (#29)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 12:30:52 PM EST
    With regard to LeTourneau's question, my guess is that since designating our voting system as "critical infrastructure" would mean that the feds would be able to poke around in and ultimately expose the many and finely-honed efforts of GOP-controlled states to make voting as difficult as possible for those deemed likely to vote Democratic, they couldn't risk the possibility of a free, fair and open election process costing them seats.

    I thought it kind of obvious, but what do I know?


    So good to see (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 03:06:13 PM EST
    you posting around here again, Anne!

    Thanks, Georgia! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 04:07:07 PM EST
    I guess things have been politically rather exciting in your neck of the woods, what with the special election coming up next week.  What's the local view on Ossoff's chances?

    Yes (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:19:00 PM EST
    they are exciting next door to me. I got redistricted out at some point within the last 7 years. the Georgia legislature is notorious for redistricting every few years illegally.

    My fear here is that relative to the ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 02:41:32 PM EST
    ... general public's understanding of the situation last December, in which we were assured time and again that the integrity of the November election results was beyond question, with these latest disclosures we now find ourselves prospectively facing the very distinct possibility that the Russian cyberattack may have indeed rendered those results as entirely problematic -- and thus, compromised and illegitimate.

    Because if, Heaven forbid, that ultimately proves to be the case, I honestly don't know what we're going to do about it. And given the current trajectory of this growing crisis, we really ought to steel ourselves to confront the previously unthinkable.



    Congratulations... (none / 0) (#30)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 12:58:02 PM EST
    Everything's coming up Donald!

    Better this Donald ... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:23:06 AM EST
    ... than the clown in D.C.

    Anne! So nice to see you. (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 09:41:49 PM EST
    We are not going to get through this Trump mess without a lot damage occurring. Trump will burn  the country down, and as long as they get to gut health care and give the rich a big tax cut, the Republicans won't do a thing to stop him.

    Hi, casey! (none / 0) (#21)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:35:34 AM EST
    Nice to see you, too!  Hope all is well with you - other than the agita most of us are experiencing and trying not to become used to...

    Anne, so good (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 11:09:55 PM EST
    to hear from you.   Your thoughts are needed.

    Hi, Dan - good to see you! (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:36:39 AM EST
    Pretty sure my thoughts mirror many others being posted here, but thanks for the kind words!

    Matthew Miller (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 09:23:54 PM EST
    A former justice department spokesperson just said on Rachel when asked that question that (I rewound to get the quite right) "yep, absolutely.  He could do it one of two ways.  One, he could repeal the regulations under which Mueller was appointed and directly fire him....."  And we know the other.

    They went on the explain the Special Counsel regulations are just that.  And not a law.

    They say he could.  Adding its supposed to be for "good cause"

    Raise your hand if you think that would stop him.


    I saw that, too, Capt - but I also (none / 0) (#18)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:16:15 AM EST
    remember hearing someone say - can I can't remember who - that the firing can't be because whoever is doing the firing is trying to short-circuit the discovery of wrongdoing.  

    It seems to me that firing Mueller could be construed as obstruction of justice, but...what would that matter if those who would have to bring such charges are the people who created the obstruction?

    I think Trump was, all along, looking for a "loyal" cadre of DOJ/FBI officials who would just make all of this trouble go away; he still seems to think these people work for his best interests and not the interests of the country.

    Anyone else hoping the Trump experiment will end the fiction that the country needs to be run like a business?


    True (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 07:12:08 AM EST
    But the as D said he fired Preet, then he fired Sally, then he fired James.  

    I don't think the "rule of law" is even part of the process.  I think the only rule is the "I could shoot some one on 5th ave" rule.

    Maybe he will decide to really test his theory and shoot Mueller.

    Tell me you are absolutely sure Paul Ryan would not say, 'hes new to gun ownership.  He just doesn't know the rules'


    I'm (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 07:25:52 AM EST
    confidant that Alan Dershowitz would assert that tRump was well within his rights to shoot Mueller.

    Newt Gingrich always sounded (none / 0) (#149)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:17:41 PM EST
    to me like one of the demons in CS Lewis's Screwtape Letters. Or one of Sauron's minions in Lord of the Rings.

    Cool glasses boss lady.... (none / 0) (#5)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 06:25:06 PM EST
    but are they polarized so you can see the fish through the water?

    Yeah, I had a pair of those, (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 12:28:13 AM EST
    they cost me a buck, but they were worth it.

    Democrats need to stop talking (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 06:37:45 PM EST
    about impeachment.  just stop.  its not helping.  this thing is moving.  things are happening.  he is shooting himself in the feet hourly.  just shut up.  

    screeching about impeachment every day when we are not there yet, we are NOT there yet, will only make it harder when we DO get there.

    if he fires Mueller im willing to rethink this.

    Lawfare on Mueller firing process/consequences (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Coral on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:24:06 AM EST
    Very informative for legal underpinnings and process of attempt to fire Mueller by Jack Goldsmith

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 06:56:59 PM EST
    Resistance is not impeachment....Charles Blow, NYTimes, June 11, 2017

    yes (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2017 at 07:07:41 PM EST
    exactly that.  democrats should be talking about the things that would constitute that resistance.

    healthcare, environment, safety net and our stature in the world.

     and let Mueller, and the NYTimes and WaPo and REUTERS do their work.


    Warriors win second championship in 3 years (none / 0) (#16)
    by McBain on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 12:59:42 AM EST
    I used to go to Warrior games back in the 80s when you could get a decent seat for $25.  

    This (none / 0) (#35)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 05:26:05 PM EST
    is a hoot

    BURR: Would you say you were there as a United States Senator or as a surrogate of the campaign for this event?

    SESSIONS: I came there as an interested person and very anxious to see how President Trump would do in his first major foreign policy address.

    He had already been
    officially named a senoir campaign advisor why would he not come out and say it? Must be that surrogate word spooked him, again.


    the "fire Mueller" trial balloon (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 13, 2017 at 06:10:01 PM EST
    seems to be sort of Hindenbergish.  which is not to say its impossible or even unlikely but if the intention was to test the waters for the possible response it sure got one.

    Breaking (none / 0) (#41)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 07:32:35 AM EST
    Congressman and others shot in VA, Link

    CBS has identified the shooter (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:29:09 AM EST
    Law enforcement officials have identified the suspect in the early Wednesday shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise as James T. Hodgkinson.

    Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business in Belleville, Illinois. Law enforcement officials say he opened fire at a baseball field in Alexandria, Virginia, shortly after 7 a.m. Wednesday. Hodgkinson allegedly shot Scalise and four others, including two Capitol Police officers, before being shot himself and taken into custody.

    Not motive known yet.  Keep in mind initial reports are often incorrect.


    Shooter died at the scene (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 11:53:00 AM EST
    according to Wash Post. Not clear (yet) whether killed by police or by suicide.

    According to yahoo news: (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 12:41:18 PM EST
    A glance at the activity on the Facebook page, which has not been verified, reveals that Hodgkinson was adamantly anti-Republican and detested Trump. The Facebook page contains a steady steam of anti-Trump posts. He said Trump should go to prison for treason and called him the "biggest a**hole we have ever had in the Oval Office."

    Hodgkinson was also a fervent supporter of former Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, who swiftly condemned the violence on Twitter.

    My bolds.

    If Trump was his target... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 01:40:16 PM EST
    I wish somebody would have told him Trump's hands are too small to throw a baseball, or swing a baseball bat.  That's why he only plays golf...tiny balls and thin grips for tiny hands.

    I checked with Alex Jones, and it actually (4.64 / 11) (#43)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 09:59:46 AM EST
    never happened. A "false flag operation" by the Demo-Rats to avoid facing Real Americans in a baseball game they couldn't win. And to gin up fading support for the failed policy of gun control.

    A troll rating? (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:24:29 AM EST
    From McBain.  Guess you hit a little too close to home.

    I'm sure it was an honest mistake (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 12:15:42 PM EST
    ... a slip of the finger ... he meant it to be a "2" for "not funny," I'm pretty sure.

    All those fives were probably (none / 0) (#150)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:22:10 PM EST
    from Dem-bots intent on draining the spritual and moral life's blood from this once-proud nation.

    Gunman was white, thank god. (none / 0) (#42)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:56:37 AM EST
    This is a terrible thing. People, co-workers, at practice for a friendly workplace baseball game, something that many people do all summer, shot by an a$$hole with a gun, in this case a rifle.

    The coverage is, however, much more measured, little to no hysteria, than it would be if the shooter was a person of color, especially if he looked at all middle eastern.

    So, we will be spared any over the top Trump tweets about how his Muslim ban would have prevented this shooting.


    Fox will run with it (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:25:59 AM EST
    The early reports identify the shooter as a Bernie supporter, so they'll be running with it.

    I read a Fox article (none / 0) (#151)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 04:29:23 PM EST
    blaming Hillary.  Of course the "basket of deplorable" comment was included.

    They keep talking about the shooter (none / 0) (#164)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:04:16 PM EST
    being a Sanders supporter, though nothing about Trump giving the likes of Alex Jones his stamp of approval.

    That would be more "media witch hunt" talk, I suppose.


    Isn't it horrible... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:02:21 AM EST
    that "thank god he's white" is one of the first thoughts that pops in our heads?  Trump and his fanboys would have the call out to open muslim-american internment camps by lunch.

    Now we are free to just shake our heads and wonder why/how people are so violently f*cked up without having to worry about a demonizing over-reation...unless you count what the NRA and the gun nut population are in for, and maybe Democrats since early indications appear to be this doucheb&g may have been specifically targeting Republican congresspersons.  



    Gun violence, (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:53:17 PM EST
    as American as apple pie and baseball.   Today, the BOP takes the bullet for the NRA; but gun violence does not discriminate by Democrats or Republicans.  Meanwhile, we can all await Megyn Kelly's interview with Alex Jones, Trump ally and Sandy Hook denier.

    Make (none / 0) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:54:46 PM EST
    BOP, GOP.

    It's so hard to not give you a (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 04:23:13 PM EST
    5. I'm working very hard to be appropriate, hoping they're finally ready to listen. The GOP did take a bullet for the NRA today though.

    im done talking about this (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:23:37 PM EST
    i turned it off and rented "JOHN WICK 2"

    i remember talking about the first one with you.

    see the second.  there will definitely be a third.


    I can't believe it (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:41:31 AM EST
    We did the exact same thing. We said enough terribleness. We looked at something called A Cure for Wellness but it looked to bizarre for such a day. John Wick II was just right and I fell asleep, so tired from moving. Today is the final "pack out", then it goes in the big wooden crates and into the truck.

    Don't tell me (none / 0) (#169)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:43:04 PM EST
    John Wick: the poor man's Clint Watts.

    ha (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:50:39 PM EST

    im not a huge Keanu fan.  never have been.  but i think this is the role he was born to play.  he has very few lines.  but he delivers them with a hilarious dead pan in-on-the-joke way.  

    the films, especially the new one IMO, are really well made. absurdly violent.  in the best Hong Kong tradition.

    it has very high scores on metacritic and RT.

    just fun.  if you like that sort of thing.


    and there are dogs. (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:52:20 PM EST
    speaking of dogs in movies.  i just saw In A Valley Of Violence.   not a western fan either.

    best.  dog.  evah.

    also good brainless fun.  


    from Ebert.com (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:58:48 PM EST
    that gives it 4 stars
    Abbie the dog is one of the best movie-dogs I've seen in years (running neck and neck with the dog in Jafar Panahi's "Closed Curtain"). The famed Asta from "The Thin Man" movies (and "The Awful Truth" among others) is the closest correlation to Abbie in terms of adorable expressiveness, and her ability to do numerous tricks. At one point, Abbie rolls herself up in the blanket because Paul informs her it's time for bed. She is Paul's only companion, and it is through his conversations with her, over a campfire at night, that his backstory is revealed.

    sorry for the double.  not sure how that happened.


    and there are dogs. (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 06:53:21 PM EST
    speaking of dogs in movies.  i just saw In A Valley Of Violence.   not a western fan either.

    best.  dog.  evah.

    also good brainless fun.  


    Believe it or not (none / 0) (#176)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 09:12:29 PM EST
    he was surprisingly good as a crazy, wife-beating redneck in The Gift with Cate Blanchet.

    The last time I know of that there was (none / 0) (#48)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:39:02 AM EST
    an armed attack on Congress was in 1954, by a group of Puerto Rican nationalists. Five congressmembers were wounded. The defendants ended up with sentences of over 75 years' imprisonment. One was eventually paroled, and the rest received Presidential pardons (over 20 years later).

    You read my mind... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:54:46 AM EST
    I was going to ask if there has ever been a mass assassination attempt of congresspersons like this in modern times.  Thanks Peter, saved me some googling.

    Well There Was United Airlines Flight 93 (none / 0) (#50)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 11:05:39 AM EST
    Although I think it has never quite been settled whether the US Capitol or the White House was the primary target.

    The Wikipedia article on the 1954 attack (none / 0) (#53)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 12:07:44 PM EST
    is quite detailed, and not all that is says actually makes sense legally (and is thus necessarily inaccurate), but overall quite informative.

    ... to be shot while in office since the very first Congress convened in 1789. The last member to be shot prior to today's incident was Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, AZ back in January 2011.

    The only member to ever be assassinated while in the performance of his congressional duties was Congressman Leo Ryan (D-San Francisco) just prior to the infamous Jonestown mass suicides of November 1978. Ryan and several members of his staff, accompanied by a few journalists, had traveled to Guyana to investigate what was going on at Jonestown, after receiving a number of pleas from constituents who had accompanied Jim Jones there and were not being allowed to leave.

    The woman who currently holds Ryan's seat today, Rep. Jackie Speier, was herself a survivor of that attack which killed Congressman Ryan, having accompanied him to Guyana as a young staff member. She was shot five times that day, and still walks with a limp as a result of her wounds.

    There have been two U.S. senators who were shot and killed while in office -- Sen. Robert Kennedy in Los Angeles just after declaring victory in the California Democratic primary in June 1968, and Sen. Huey Long at the Louisiana State Capitol Building in Baton Rouge back in Sept. 1935.



    Scalise... (none / 0) (#51)
    by desertswine on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 11:34:59 AM EST
    Scalise is also an outspoken supporter of gun ownership rights under the Second Amendment. During the 112th Congress, Scalise introduced the Firearms Interstate Commerce Reform Act, which eases federal restrictions on interstate firearms purchases. He also co-sponsored a bill to repeal the DC gun ban -- a law that was later overturned by the Supreme Court in the District of Columbia v. Heller -- and he sponsored the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011, which would allow national reciprocity for concealed carry permit holders. Scalise has earned an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.
     -  Vox

    I hope that he has a speedy recovery.  So many others will not.

    The shooter was stopped (1.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 01:47:53 PM EST
    by persons at the scene that were armed, not by the police that showed up minutes later.  The congressman should be applauded for standing up for the rest of us to have the same opportunity.

    You mean the Capitol Police? (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 01:55:49 PM EST
    Those armed persons on the scene as part of security detail for the majority whip?  

    You make it sound like a person who brings their gun with them to Walmart shot the lunatic.


    Yes indeed it was his securitiy detail. (1.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:29:28 PM EST
    Those of us that are not so politically powerful as to be afforded state supplied security must supply our own. In any case it was the presence of armed individuals on the scene that made the difference. Did it make a difference who cut their paychecks. Perhaps, not near as much difference as being armed.

    They would've been fine (none / 0) (#118)
    by Yman on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:28:31 AM EST
    In any case it was the presence of armed individuals on the scene that made the difference.

    Was it?  You seem to know so much more than what is being reported:

    Alexandria Police Chief Michael Brown said two city officers who arrived at the scene opened fire, joining Capitol Police officers who already were in a gun battle with Hodgkinson.

    So what we actually know at this point was that he was stopped by armed, trained, police officers.

    Did it make a difference who cut their paychecks. Perhaps, not near as much difference as being armed

    Nahhhh ... They would've been fine.  If they didn't have guns, they would've just used knives, bombs or bats to defend themselves, right?  Or does that argument only work in one direction?


    Willfully misleading, or just ignorant? (5.00 / 6) (#61)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 02:00:50 PM EST
    It was not passersby who happened to be armed, as AAA, in his unsourced assertion, implies, but rather the Capitol Police who are assigned to guard a handful of the highest-ranking member of Congress.
    "Scalise's security detail and the Capitol Hill police immediately returned fire, and Alexandria police also immediately came and began to return fire. They shot the shooter. The security detail saved a lot of lives because they attacked the shooter," Rep. Joe Barton of Texas said.

    Willful (5.00 / 5) (#64)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 02:14:59 PM EST

    Abdul's preferred means of posting ... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 03:53:49 PM EST
    ... is the rhetorical drive-by.

    We are in complete agreement (none / 0) (#107)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 10:37:23 PM EST
    It was armed capital police on the spot that returned fire immediately, not others that arrived minutes later.  

    As the old saying goes, when seconds count the police are just minutes away.

    We are fortunate that the armed security detail was in plain clothes or we could have seen a repeat of the Pulse night club where the uniformed officer was one of the first fatalities.


    Give it up, Abdul. Seriously. The point you were trying to make is incoherent.

    Maybe, just maybe (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 11:33:51 AM EST
    it might be better to prevent the mentally ill (assuming that applies to this shooter) from being armed in the first place.  

    Rather than relying on the ability to out shoot him in a gunfight later?  


    Another dose of prevention... (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:08:17 PM EST
    on top of your dose of prevention would be Medicare for all with unfettered access to confidential mental health treatment on demand.

    The nut with the gun (5.00 / 4) (#162)
    by jondee on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 05:39:06 PM EST
    Always Always Always has the drop on everyone else. Which means he's always going to take out Some people; because guys like you think every lunatic should has the right to arm themselves to the teeth.

    Small comfort that the gun nuts can crow about a perp only being able to kill four or five instead of twenty.


    You may not have noticed (none / 0) (#186)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 10:16:22 AM EST

    But the lefty shooter did not kill anyone.  Immediate armed response saved lives.  That should be available to everyone, not just the politically powerful.

    As to your preferred solution, Norway and France have shown that it results in high body count with the perps killing at leisure. In the real world without magical thinking there is no way to ensure a bad actor cannot acquire a weapon.


    And a little prevention (none / 0) (#187)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 04:56:32 PM EST
    by not allowing those with a criminal history or mental illness to have guns would have really helped.

    To rely on out-shooting everyone in a gunfight is not the best answer.

    Many societies do not have the guns or level of gun death we do.


    Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) (none / 0) (#188)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 06:11:54 PM EST
    To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card, which is issued by the Illinois State Police to any qualified applicant.

    Eligibility Rules for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card

        I have not been convicted of any Felony under the laws of this or any other jurisdiction.
        I have not been adjudicated as a mental defective.
        I have not been a patient in a mental institution or any part of a medical facility for the treatment of mental illness within the past 5 years.
        I am not intellectually disabled or developmentally disabled.
        I have not within the past year (preceding the date of this application) used or been addicted to any controlled substance or narcotics in violation of state or federal law.
        I am not subject of an existing Order of Protection or a No Contact/No Stalking Order.
        I have not within the past 5 years been convicted of battery, assault, aggravated assault, violation of an order of protection, or a substantially similar offense in which a firearm was used or possessed.
        I have not been convicted of domestic battery (felony or misdemeanor), aggravated domestic battery or a substantially similar offense.
        I have not been adjudicated by a court as a mental defective or ordered by a court, board or authorized entity to in-patient or out-patient mental health treatment.
        I am not an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States.
        I have not within the past year failed a drug test for a drug for which I did not have a prescription.
        I have not been admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
        I have never renounced my citizenship as a citizen of the United States.
        I have never been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.
        I am not a fugitive from justice.

    Checking the records (none / 0) (#189)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 07:13:21 PM EST
    rather than relying on someone's affirmation is better policy.

    Before issuing a FOID card, (1.00 / 1) (#190)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 07:44:16 PM EST
    Before issuing a FOID card, the Illinois State Police runs the name through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System or NICS, an electronic database maintained by the FBI, to determine if an applicant has a criminal record or other violations that make him ineligible to own a firearm.

    Once the card is issued, the State Police reruns each cardholder through the FBI system every 24 hours and revokes the card of anyone who has incurred a recent infraction.

    Doing some research, instead of relying on someone's bumper sticker meme, is better TL commenting policy.


    Then, ace, (none / 0) (#192)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 09:09:58 PM EST
    the records database was not so good.

    Being deliberately dense is not being sarcastic.


    Coolio, deuce, (1.00 / 1) (#195)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 20, 2017 at 12:49:20 AM EST
    you grudgingly realize that neither of your first two statements are factual, and then you backpedal to say that laws can't be counted on to actually control human behavior.

    I agree with you on all 3 counts.


    Nope, not what I said (none / 0) (#197)
    by MKS on Wed Jun 21, 2017 at 11:25:17 AM EST
    I noticed he shot five people (none / 0) (#193)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 10:07:57 PM EST
    but what? No harm, no foul?

    Whats your new motto going to be: "a good guy with a gun, to keep the carnage in the single digits"?


    You're serious (none / 0) (#194)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 19, 2017 at 10:16:08 PM EST
    what is this delusionary parallel demension you inhabit, and how can we avoid stumbling into it?

    How many gun deaths have there been in France and Norway in the last year compared to the U.S?


    As for your ... (none / 0) (#198)
    by Yman on Wed Jun 21, 2017 at 12:37:32 PM EST
    ... "preferred solution" of allowing all the armchair warriors to walk around with guns, a comparison of Norway and France show MUCH lower levels of gun deaths and violence.



    Per an update from Medstar Washington ... (none / 0) (#75)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 04:40:26 PM EST
    ... Hospital Center in D.C., Congressman Scalise is in critical condition following surgery. An earlier report from Scalise's office had said that he was in stable condition and resting comfortably. He was shot in the hip this morning, and the wound was apparently much more serious than was initially understood and reported by his staff.

    Zach Barth, a legislative aide for Rep. Roger Williams (R-TX), and Matt Mika, former aide for Rep. Tim Walberg (R-MI), were also shot in the incident. Barth has since been released from the hospital while Mika is listed in critical condition.

    Regardless of whatever side of the political spectrum we lean, let's all think nothing but good thoughts for Steve Scalise, Matt Mika and their families right now. Nobody deserves this.



    This morning I got nuthin for the whip (3.50 / 2) (#112)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 07:13:29 AM EST
    I have appropriate empathy for everyone who was attacked yesterday in all the shootings. But I still can't muster an ounce of sympathy for the person who whipped the health care vote in the House.

    Sorry Donald, he doesn't care about my son. He doesn't care about my family. I don't wish him dead. I just don't care. If I did I should probably seek therapy for codependency or something.


    I thought about Josh while reading and hearing (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 03:44:13 PM EST
    what the father of the North akorean hostage said last night. Trump called he father, said nice words.  Father credits Trump re the release, as he should.  But what will this family do when the CopOBRA coverage expires?   Wonder if the father talked to the pres. re the GOP health care bill?

    And yes, he likely doesn't care about people like your son. I'm under no illusions about who and what these people stand for.

    But that said, our nation will be at tremendous risk if / when we allow our political differences to reach a point where we wish that physical harm or even death would be visited upon our opponents. We cannot and should not deny one another's humanity.

    That's a very slippery slope which is often impossible to re-ascend, once a country commences the slide. And while we're not there yet, we're clearly approaching the fence and warning signs.

    And in that regard, far-right Republicans ought to pause and consider the admonition offered by Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce, that the fiercest foes in battle are often those persons who first did their very best to avoid such a confrontation.



    I don't wish harm or death or injury on (5.00 / 3) (#180)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 16, 2017 at 12:09:59 PM EST
    anyone, but I don't believe I am required to feel bad about, or be sympathetic to, or have any empathy for people - especially people in positions of power, who have and continue to use that power to put others' financial or physical lives at risk - when when they, themselves, come face-to-face with the kinds of things millions of people struggle with because of their actions.

    Yeah, I'm sure Scalise has family and friends and colleagues who are upset and shaken up and worried about his situation.  But at least he has, I presume, the means to pay for whatever he needs, he has job security, and he probably doesn't hear the word "no" terribly often.  Goody for him.

    But this guy twisted arms and rallied the troops to help pass a bill that is little more than a tax cut for people who probably don't really pay enough into the system as it is, that is being paid for on the backs of people who are already struggling and suffering.

    So, you know, sh!t happens, and I don't have to be sorry it's happening to him.


    I think you are wrong Donald (none / 0) (#178)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 09:48:50 PM EST
    The very essence of codependency is caring about someone, expending energy on someone, who wouldn't cross the street to piss on your face if it was on fire.

    No thanks! My family just about died...all of us...under the stress before the ACA. I still have nuthin for the Majority Whip. NUTHIN


    Struggling to apply (none / 0) (#181)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 16, 2017 at 03:13:46 PM EST
    the Native American chief's words of wisdom to your initial comment, MT. I'm pretty confident you are as empathetic to this victim of gun violence and his nearest and dearest as you would be to persons ho were not members of Congress. Just not more.

    I hope Gabby Giffords visits (none / 0) (#97)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:15:52 PM EST
    him in the hospital. I bet she does.

    Scalise: (none / 0) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:09:26 AM EST
    bullet traversed his pelvis, fracturing bones, and injuring internal organs.  

    BREAKING NOOZE (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:41:37 PM EST
    A memo, (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:32:20 AM EST
    written by former NSA Deputy Director, Rick Ledgett, documents a phone call where Trump pressured agency chief, Admiral Mike Rogers, to publicly state there is no evidence of collusion between his campaign and Russia.  Mueller is to interview Ledgett as a part of his investigation.  

    When appearing before the Senate Intel Committee, Admiral Rogers refused to answer a question about being pressured by Trump, based on classified information.  However, the Admiral did agree to testify in a closed setting--which was conducted this week, as announced by Chairman Richard Burr during the Sessions hearing.


    "officials said" (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 05:43:29 PM EST
    really seems a bit like a dare.

    'go ahead.  fire me'.


    its a bit funny (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 06:38:30 PM EST
    that they seems to be doing this either for Trumps understanding or as a pushback to his exonerated comments.

    'yeah, Comey said you were not under investigation.  and then you fired him.  so now you are.'


    HAPPY BIRTHDAY (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 07:22:45 PM EST
    Mr President!

    I can't believe no one ever explained (5.00 / 4) (#102)
    by Anne on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:39:09 PM EST
    to Trump how these investigations work - that they never start at the top, they start with the folks at the lower levels, so just because he wasn't under investigation at the time didn't mean he would never be under investigation.

    Now, it's possible that if he had kept his mouth shut, not tried to get people to lean on Comey, stayed off Twitter, he might not now, some 145 days into his presidency, be reportedly under investigation for obstruction.

    I think the people who must really be feeling their bowels rumbling are Republicans who may be facing the possibility of a Mueller report that will leave no doubt that Trump needs to be impeached.  McConnell must be freaking out trying to figure out some weird parliamentary procedure that will allow him to avoid an impeachment trial in the Senate.

    If it weren't for the reality that this poor excuse for a human being, and his minions, seem to be systematically destroying the country, I'd say that this couldn't happen to a better person.

    I just want the lot of them to go - him and his horrid family, and all those creepy people whose primary function seems to be giving him a daily tongue bath.


    Don Jr (5.00 / 5) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 08:48:00 PM EST
    Was saying he should fire Mueller and shut down the investigation.

    These people seem literally to have no concept of a world where they can't do anything to anyone anytime.

    Watching them learn otherwise will almost be worth it.

    I do think this increases the possibility Trump will blow a gasket and try to fire him.


    Couple of quotes (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 09:48:05 PM EST
    From a DailyBeast follow job story to the one above

    With the crisis engulfing Trump's young presidency intensifying, senators, Trump aides, former prosecutors, and FBI veterans are sending the White House an urgent warning: Whatever you do, don't. Fire. Mueller.

    But some privately concede that Trump is so unpredictable--and so frustrated with the persistence of the investigation and its cost in political capital--that they're not ruling it out. Another White House official conceded that it would be "suicide" if Trump sacked Mueller at this point, but "I'd be insincere if I said it wasn't a concern that the president would try to do it anyway."

    tweet tweet tweet (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 08:20:36 AM EST
    They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice

    -- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 15, 2017

    Charles blow replied on twitter (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:02:54 AM EST
    Keep Tweeting. And the movers are here, my fun is over :(

    Either no one has explained to him, or (none / 0) (#117)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:26:01 AM EST
    they've explained and he refuses to listen, that he (and anyone else) can still be obstructing justice even if he didn't do whatever it is that's being investigated.

    I guess he doesn't see the same patterns the rest of us do, that there are now more than a handful of people who have been asked to either end the investigation or put pressure on someone else to end it.  

    This really can't go on like this - can it?

    As for the rest of the Russian connections, I think this is all about the money - as these things so often are.  

    I swear, if you made it impossible for Trump to profit off his presidency, he'd resign in a NY minute.


    follow (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:36:43 AM EST
    the money

    But....but....but.... (none / 0) (#126)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 11:59:33 AM EST
    Give the man a chance to learn!  He's new at the job, he was a businessman!
    At least, that is what the GOP troglodytes are all saying.
    This is a man who was given a lot of money by his dad, whose businesses declared bankruptcy numerous times, who has been sued numerous times by, among others, workers and contractors whom he refused to pay for work done.
    He is someone who was used to having his own way, who is basically a spoiled brat, who never had to answer to stockholders or a Board of Directors.
    And he was touted as a "successful" businessman who could run this country like a business?
    Give me a break.

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#129)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 12:10:15 PM EST
    Trump is his supporter's idea of "smart."  Trump even told them, if they wondered, that he has a good brain.  And, a really good businessman---the country needs to be run like a business, you know.  

    If I was going to have to choose (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Zorba on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 01:02:46 PM EST
    a businessman to be President, it wouldn't have been Donald Trump.
    Probably more like Warren Buffett.

    The other news today (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 09:34:08 PM EST
    Which would have been pretty big news any other day

    Is that Chuck Grassley has agreed to opens hearings into Comeys firing and related matters with Diane in the Judiciary Committee

    Which they say is really the place to investigate obstruction.


    Keep blogging (none / 0) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 15, 2017 at 10:03:47 AM EST
    Capitol police credited with saving lives (none / 0) (#96)
    by McBain on Wed Jun 14, 2017 at 07:23:23 PM EST
    "The only reason they were there was because we had a member of leadership on our team," Paul said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."...
    He added that if they had not been there, "It would have been a massacre."

    It's been reported that the charity baseball game will by played tomorrow as planned.  I think that's the right thing to do.