Have Jared and Ivanka Had Enough of D.C.? It's Donald That Should Go

A few days ago I wrote:

I think Jared and Ivanka bit off more than they can chew in deciding to move to Washington and get further involved with Trump. I won't be surprised to see them pack up and go back to New York in a year or so.

They may not even make it that long. The media is reporting that White House insiders are suggesting Jared take a leave of absence. (No link due to auto-play video on every site I checked.)

There are also reports Trump is considering a major overhaul of his staff. (Again, no links due to auto-play video everywhere.)

Memo to Trump: Replacing your staff is just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. How long are you going to play this charade? [More...]

You were not a success on your Trump Family's most un-excellent world vacation.

The Saudis played you like a fiddle.

At the meeting of in Brussels, Europe's leaders were laughing at you.

Your administration is also the most tone-deaf ever. On the eve of Memorial Day, your Defense Secretary announces the expansion of a war we have no business being in, claiming we will "annihilate" the almost extinct ISIS -- as if that will defeat myriad of other groups chomping at the bit to take its place. How many more American lives are you willing to sacrifice in the unattainable and unacceptable pursuit of forcing American values on a region which does not ascribe to them?

You have devalued America and made us look foolish. You are a national security nightmare. It's time for your bow and your swan song. If you do it soon, maybe we'll let you take your desk with you as a souvenir.

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    At least he's killing FOX (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Repack Rider on Mon May 29, 2017 at 12:16:59 AM EST
    The reason FOX News is going down the tubes is because they are not covering the Trump Russia story and everyone else is.

    The reason they aren't covering it is because Trump would certainly see it and tweet about the coverage.

    It's hard to even digest this level of irony.

    not a very smart (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2017 at 07:55:56 AM EST
    marketing decision to seem to be eager to be seen as the official propaganga arm of an administration circling the drain.

    i found this paragraph (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2017 at 08:06:05 AM EST
    in a POLITICO story sort of chilling

    Two White House officials said Trump and some aides including Steve Bannon are becoming increasingly convinced that they are victims of a conspiracy against Trump's presidency, as evidenced by the number of leaks flowing out of government -- that the crusade by the so-called "deep state" is a legitimate threat, not just fodder for right wing defenders.

    has a real cornered rat feel to me.

    Jack Welch arose from his stone sarcophagus (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2017 at 12:59:52 PM EST
    to talk to Fox viewers about the dangers of Deep State the other night, and Infowars and not-so-Breitbart are all-Deep-State-all-the-time now..

    Someone needs to tell Bannon and his minions what people like him have always said when poor people and the environment are trampled underfoot: this is just the market correcting itself.

    If you want to make an omelet, you have to crack a few eggs.


    Geez, who exactly.... (none / 0) (#10)
    by desertswine on Mon May 29, 2017 at 03:05:18 PM EST
    pulled the stake out what passes for Neutron Jack's heart.  He made himself and GE an unbelievable fortune and all it cost us was the Hudson River.

    They draw a big circle on the ground (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2017 at 03:49:23 PM EST
    with a pentagram in the center and sprinkled it with bat and toad blood at midnight to lure him to the studio.

    is this (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2017 at 03:51:14 PM EST
    "Javanka's" job?  like a team effort.

    They don't call 'em (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Mon May 29, 2017 at 03:57:37 PM EST
    a "power couple" fer nothin'.

    All about greed and power (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Lora on Mon May 29, 2017 at 08:17:14 AM EST
    Trump has no moral compass.  He just doesn't care about anything but himself.  He is a supreme con artist.

    He is also being played by others in power, mostly as a willing accomplice.  I believe he is all about "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours."

    His accusations about a deep state or fake news are simply bids to retain power.  He doesn't believe any of it.  I don't know what he believes in except money = power.

    Trump- out- of- step (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 29, 2017 at 11:22:52 AM EST
    is capped by his taking a golf cart about 200 feet, while the other G7 leaders strolled the streets of Taormina, for whatever reason--health, exhaustion, or playing "king of the hill." An embarrassment in language and body language complete with his scowls.

    As disturbing as all of this is, the priority worry about Trump and Administration is the prospect that the dream of Russians, and the Soviets before them, may now have come true: infiltration of the American government at the highest levels.

    The Trump bar is so low, that it is now laying on the ground; Emoluments, enrichment, travel, as bad as they may be, become small potatoes in the order of spuds.

    The unusual and curious contacts with Russians and the forgetfulness in recalling them on official forms or in official forums. seems endemic (e.g. Flynn, Sessions, Kushner, Page).  

     But, the WaPo and Reuters reporting, if true, of Jared's seeking a secure back channel to communicate directly with the Kremlim, even bypassing Russian Ambassador Kislyak, is astounding. Maybe, even close to espionage, when the next step is taken into account: Kushner asked Kislyak to allow Trump and cohorts access to secure facilities and hardware Russia itself uses to send secure messages to Moscow. Kislyak could hardly believe the request, and said so in a message to Putin.

    Why? Why would Trump et al want to speak to Putin et al behind the backs of US intel, diplomats, and the military?  And, of course, why go to a Russian embassy to do so?  The NYTimes reports a WH story that is ludicrous and still can't come up with a reason for the secrecy of using Russian facilities, concluding only that that part is "unclear."

    Yes, unclear is unclear, and there is nothing you can do about it, right?  Well, no, more questions could be asked and more dots can be connected.

    The Reuters report should not be overlooked in that regard: "FBI investigators examining whether Russians suggest to Kushner or other Trump aides that relaxing economic sanctions would allow Russian banks to offer financing to people with ties to Trump."

     And, then there is that curious meeting of Kushner with Sergei Gorkov, head of the Russian-state bank, sanctioned by the US, and involved, previously, in an espionage case.

    Trump is even soiling the reputations of the supposed adults, McMaster and Kelly--who see nothing wrong with a back channel, but seem to omit the part of taking a jog over to the Russian Embassy to do so.  And, the Republicans are incorrigible, as always.

    On the occasion of JFK's 100th birthday, ... (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 29, 2017 at 05:45:16 PM EST
    ... I offer his timely quote about knowledge, reason and leadership, which is from the speech he had intended to deliver at the Dallas Trade Mart on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, before fate so cruelly intervened:

    "[The] link between leadership and learning is not only essential at the community level. It is even more indispensable in world affairs. Ignorance and misinformation can handicap the progress of a city or a company, but they can, if allowed to prevail in foreign policy, handicap this country's security.

    "In a world of complex and continuing problems, in a world full of frustrations and irritations, America's leadership must be guided by the lights of learning and reason - or else those who confuse rhetoric with reality and the plausible with the possible will gain the popular ascendancy with their seemingly swift and simple solutions to every world problem.

    "There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable.

    "But today other voices are heard in the land - voices preaching doctrines wholly unrelated to reality, wholly unsuited to the sixties, doctrines which apparently assume that words will suffice without weapons, that vituperation is as good as victory and that peace is a sign of weakness.


    "We cannot expect that everyone, to use the phrase of a decade ago, will 'talk sense to the American people.' But we can hope that fewer people will listen to nonsense."


    Germany can no longer rely on the US (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2017 at 07:49:40 AM EST
    It means that we need a new president - badly. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 29, 2017 at 02:03:54 PM EST
    Having now met with Trump on three separate occasions, German Chancellor Angela Merkel is obviously exasperated by his pervasive ignorance, as well as his condescending attitude and obnoxious behavior toward her personally and her country generally.

    The chancellor's blunt assessment of her own government's present relationship with the Trump administration, offered as they were during yesterday's campaign rally in Munich garnered considerable public attention in Germany and elsewhere, and were noteworthy if only because she's heretofore long enjoyed a stellar reputation for gracious personal diplomacy in international circles.

    Even then, she never once specifically mentioned either Trump or British Prime Minister Theresa May by name yesterday. But there was no ambiguity as to whom she was referencing in her campaign speech, and what she meant.

    Chancellor Merkel is an overwhelming favorite to win a fourth term in Germany's upcoming national elections, and she's now publicly and confidently asserting her county's leadership in the European Community. (For his part, newly inaugurated French President Emanuel Macron has yet to find his sea legs, and for now at least will likely follow her head.)

    Her pointed remarks yesterday concerning the present unreliability of the United States were intended as a polite but firm diplomatic shot right across Der Trumpenführer's bow, putting both him and us (by extension) on notice that Germany is not a country to be mocked and disrespected. And if Trump continues, he risks our country's own current position in both NATO and European affairs.

    This is what genuine leadership looks like.


    i love this Macron guy (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2017 at 03:48:41 PM EST
    Macron is making a good (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 30, 2017 at 10:54:48 AM EST
    start. Rolled out the red carpet for Putin and then called him on the carpet.

    If true (none / 0) (#9)
    by Lora on Mon May 29, 2017 at 02:51:28 PM EST
    There has been no denial, simply singing the praises of back channels.

    Which makes Lindsey Graham's "suspicion" that the information is Russian-generated fake news, and him putting the heat back onto Comey for believing a supposed Russian-generated fake document regarding Hillary's email mess, highly suspicious in and of itself.

    Does Jared ever speak? (none / 0) (#15)
    by fishcamp on Mon May 29, 2017 at 04:33:16 PM EST
    I've never heard him and I watch news all the time.  I did watch Ivanka give a smiley speach, but thankfully can't remember what she said.  

    about half (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2017 at 05:15:15 PM EST
    Hilarious...thanks Captain (none / 0) (#18)
    by fishcamp on Tue May 30, 2017 at 07:12:29 AM EST
    jeezus (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:36:19 AM EST
    Out of curiousity, do you get any gaydar (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:42:49 AM EST
    readings from Jared, Captain?

    no (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:51:20 AM EST
    but its funny that this is not the first time i have gotten that question.

    i really dont.  but it could, i suppose, be a willful blindspot.  i would find any truth in this very sad and very bad for the LGBT movement.  not only that IMO he is a list of things that if i listed this comment would be deleted but the last thing we need is an evil closeted pansey.


    No one will ever top Roy Cohn (none / 0) (#30)
    by Peter G on Tue May 30, 2017 at 02:24:44 PM EST
    in that department, wouldn't you figure? As another famous Kushner definitively demonstrated. (Please, please, tell me he's no relation ....)

    gawd (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 02:34:09 PM EST
    it never even...

    even weirder a slim search produced this off reddit in response the the are they related

    I can't find any evidence either way, and it seems like the question should be brought up somewhere, seeing as they're both really famous and diametrically opposed politically. I mean, the main antagonist of Tony Kushner's most famous play is literally Jared's father-in-law's lawyer. They both appear under the "Kushner family" category on Wikipedia, but that may just be a mistake.

    I looked at the general "Kushner" entry (none / 0) (#37)
    by Peter G on Tue May 30, 2017 at 05:01:08 PM EST
    on Wikipedia, and I do not see anything there that even implies they are part of the same "family." Only that they have the same surname, which is not the same thing at all.

    I'm guessing it's not that uncommon (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:50:13 PM EST
    a name. Apparently it's an occupationally-related surname like Taylor and Cooper. In parts of eastern europe, the word "kushner" originally meaning a furrier.

    CNN breaks protocol (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:57:37 AM EST
    and drops a bombshell in the morning
    Sources: Russians discussed potentially 'derogatory' information about Trump and associates during campaign

    Russian government officials discussed having potentially "derogatory" information about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and some of his top aides in conversations intercepted by US intelligence during the 2016 election, according to two former intelligence officials and a congressional source.

    One source described the information as financial in nature and said the discussion centered on whether the Russians had leverage over Trump's inner circle. The source said the intercepted communications suggested to US intelligence that Russians believed "they had the ability to influence the administration through the derogatory information."
    OPINION: Trump, home all alone

    if you are really interested in serious reporting on this sh!t show and its implications by serious people everyday you should ignore the silly hysterical totally last year attacks on Morning Joe at places like Crooks and Liars which has become, with the rare interesting post by John Amato who i admire, a running joke and characture of liberalism and start DVRing Morning Joe.

    ... about the worst case scenario regarding potential quid pro quo collusion between the Trump camp and the Putin regime, which appears to be rapidly coming into sharp focus with:

    • Now-President Trump's clear attempt to destabilize NATO by undermining its core U.S.-German alliance; and

    • Reports of the Trump transition team's serious effort to sidestep the scrutiny of our own U.S. intelligence agencies in communications with the Kremlin.

    David Frum's admonition to his fellow Republicans to put country before party really ought to be taken much more seriously than it has been of late. Is this really the hill upon which they're willing to sacrifice themselves and their entire careers, in defense of -- what, exactly?

    Because at the very least, Trump's little enterprise bears many of the hallmarks of organized racketeering, which potentially renders both his campaign and his administration subject to an extensive federal RICO investigation.

    And at worst, we could potentially be dealing with a serious and deep Russian penetration at the very highest levels of our own federal government, potentially triggering some of the most brazen acts of national betrayal we've likely ever seen.



    Kingston and Frum (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 02:25:09 PM EST
    are typical of the two different kinds of republicans who have been having two very different reactions to this sh!t show.

    Elected and UNelected.

    its easy enough for Frum, Scarborough and a fairly wide selection of them to try to, as they say, take the high road.  if you are up for reelection, or election for that matter, its a whole different kettle of krap.

    IMO it really comes down to a fact often overlooked.  the real problem we have is not Trump.  or Kingston.  or Louie Gomert or any of the rest.its the people who elected them.  and who will in most cases at least at this point elect them again, or not elect them again which brings us to the problem.

    ir you are a republican with so far absolutely squat to point to as far as legislative accomplishments, which looks very unlikely to substantially change before 2018, the last thing you want to do is pi$$ off the mouth breathing morons who elected you ...AND the president.

    this is a problem.

    but i really think we could be reaching a tipping point.  just surfing after that ridiculoud embarrassing excuse for a press conference with Spicy.

    even FOX is hammering it.  true, its Shederd Smith who has always been among the more sane there and safely tucked away in the low traffic early afternoon.  still, i sense a slow burn.


    Frum delivered a great (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 03:07:30 PM EST
    version of the famous Howard Baker line the other night, "What does the president owe and to whom does he owe it?"

    to which i would like to add an update of the equally famous John Dean line

    "There is a cancer growing.  It is the presidency."


    Scarborough said this morning (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 02:44:43 PM EST
    he may not be a republican much longer if this continues.  great show today btw.  they had a lot to catch up on not being on since friday morning.

    My guess (none / 0) (#35)
    by Repack Rider on Tue May 30, 2017 at 03:37:14 PM EST
    ...is that he will not become a Democrat, he will become a prostitute.

    It's the same job he already does, but with a pay cut.


    yeah (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 03:48:38 PM EST
    i know

    its an easy bash.  it really is.  but the truth is he has been hosting the most brutal roast of all things Trump for months.  we just try to ignore Mica.

    im fine with the idea this is certainly market driven to an extent.  but, Just my opinion, i really get the feeling he feels some responsibility.  they gave him free air time to launch.  lots of others did to but they certainly did.

    that said its also true that show was one of the first Trump bailed on when they started asking him questions about his unflagging defense of Putin.  they did.  i remember one exchange particularly when Scarborough was really hammering Trump about Putins treatment of the press.  that is killing reporters.  i think might have been Trumps last appearance on the show.  and that was very early in the process

    and the fact is because of watching that show pretty regularly i was the first here, to much derision, to say Trump would win the nomination.  they had the reporting right then and they have it right now.

    they are doing a job on Trump every day.  in this case, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  in spite of what "Susan at C&L" says.


    "Morning Joe" is past my bedtime. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:26:23 PM EST
    It airs at 12:00 midnight out here. The network evening news shows air at 12:00 noon. The "late-breaking developments" we've had in the Trump-Russia scandal the last few weeks have tended to break between 1:00-4:00 p.m. HST. By the time I get home from work, most of you in the central and eastern time zones are likely already in bed. I like to watch Rachel Maddow, but only rarely do I get to see her show live. Its first rerun airs out here at 6:00 p.m.

    i guess (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 08:49:41 PM EST
    watching it, in the traditional sense, isnt really necessary any more.  it just has started to bug me that some on the left, many on the left, seem unwilling to give them any credit for what i think has been a pretty important contribution to this Trump conversation.  particularly that.  

    he also regularly says things that are ridiculous.   but the important stuff IMO is the Trump stuff.  important because of who he is.  he was as conservative a congress man as ever there was.  who Peter King once described as looking and acting like he just walked barefoot out of a tent revival.  the guy has cred with the people who need to hear this.  they, Scaroborough really, has been really hammering not just Trump but the whole republican party for its response to Trump.  or its non response.

    its on at 5 here.  i DVR it and FF through the stupid parts on the Stairmaster.  its been my routine for a long time.   i do 30 minutes and usually see all that interests me by the time im done.  its easy enough to see segmwnts online but 2.5 hours of the show is live and sometmes good things happen that do not make it onto the web.


    Republicans to put country (none / 0) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 30, 2017 at 12:54:05 PM EST
    before party....Jack Kingston former Republican Congressman from Georgia and Trump apologist, prefers "fair and balanced,"  saying ...fine, for Trump to be more comfortable with authoritarians than allies, because Europe is too liberal.

    Jack Kingston is a fool. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 30, 2017 at 01:10:53 PM EST
    And unfortunately for the country, he's also entirely emblematic of a political party that has obviously lost its ethical compass, its moral bearings and ultimately, its way.

    Leaks, (none / 0) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Tue May 30, 2017 at 09:14:54 AM EST
    they are not just for happy hour anymore, although that bottle of scotch is probably getting a workout earlier and earlier at the WH.

    seems like (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 09:27:36 AM EST
    avoiding "rush hour" is becoming a concern

    also (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2017 at 09:29:41 AM EST
    seems like WhackaMole has for the Trump team become WhackaMoleArmy