Tuesday Open Thread: 15 years of Blogging

In 3 weeks, TalkLeft will be 15 years old. I'll be deciding whether to keep the site going another year. Feel free to let me know your thoughts.

TalkLeft is actually pretty expensive to run, because it has so much material it has to be on its own server. As I get older, I can't help but think of other things I can do with that money, particularly if I think I'm no longer contributing anything of substance to the discussions of the day. I'm not convinced my voice is needed over the next three and and a half years, since we've already gone to Hell in a hand basket, and absent a universally agreed upon despicable act by Donald Trump that is likely to lead to his resignation or impeachment, I'm not sure we'll get him out before 2020. I doubt I am willing to give this uncouth carnival barker another three years of my attention. I'd rather fade into the woodwork and hide my head in the sand, and hope there's still a world in place when I take it out. [More...]

I've been considering this for a long time. I haven't asked for donations in a year or more, because I wasn't writing as much. I just can't stand seeing his face or hearing his voice. But he's now an increased threat to the stability and welfare to our nation, and in my personal opinion, he is killing the country I love and turning it into the laughingstock of the world.

I believe that Donald Trump has a non-existent or under-developed sense of ethics, very little native intelligence, no international, policy or legislative experience, and an over-inflated view of himself that just does not comport with reality.

His wife is a striking model type with terrific posture and attractive taste in clothes. Unfortunately, at my age, I'm not going to be buying or wearing those kinds of clothes. His children are trust fund babies that don't have a clue what they are doing. Not a single one of them have any business being put in a policy position in their father's office. As for Trump, he's vulgar, a terrible influence for those trying to get healthy, he has the vocabulary of a fourth grader, and the temperment of a five year old.

I do believe Donald Trump will run this country into the ground. For the first time in my many decades of life, I am ashamed of our electorate. A minority of under-informed, marginalized voters, who believed their inability to get ahead in life was the product of their "victimization", rather than their need to work harder, made them easy prey for Donald Trump, who promised to restore opportunities in their lives that they believed they had been unfairly denied. It's very troubling. It's also pure bubbe-meise.

I'm still considering what to do. If I stay, one difference will be that the few blog-cloggers and faux-Trump supporters we've had will no longer be welcome here. We've all heard what they have to say, 100 times over, and they no longer present anything new. They don't contribute to the discourse. They stop threads cold in their tracks. They bloviate to hear themselves speak, in the hopes they can start a fight. if I keep Talkeft going, those few readers won't be back.

If I continue, it will be because there's a serious mission ahead, to boot Donald Trump from his desk in the Oval Office, and for that we need all hands on deck.

If I continue, it won't be all Trump all the Time. I'm still interested in covering ISIS and al Qaida, Jefferson Sessions, Immigrants' rights, drug cartels, extradition and federal sentencing issues. I'll also cover big budget issues, Medicare and Social Security and the need to unempower the Global Holy Warriors known as the DEA..

Aside from News, I would still like to write about TV shows I watch, particularly those that aren't as dumbed down as those made in the U.S.-- Colombia, Mexico, Sweden, Spain and so many other countries produce much better fare. So I'll write about what I watch, and you can write about what you watch in comments.

One last thing: I'd also like to write about the fantasy of moving to a another country which has as good if not better medical care than the U.S., where you can live comfortably on social security and where U.S. retirees are welcome -- Ecuador, Mexico, Costa Rica, Algarve, Portugal, Malaysia, to name a few.

Bottom line: Right now, I could go either way. A lot depends on the feedback from readers (and yes, donations I get.) One thing I'm certain of though: If I continue, this site will stay ad-free and will never host an auto-play video.

While I may take a few weeks to decide, if you'd like the site to continue, the tip jar is open now.

For those who don't like paypal, here's my snailmail address. (fixed)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    while the urge to move on (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:00:49 AM EST
    to other things that interest you and leave behind the things that dont so much is entirely understandable, at least me me, having done this myseld in recent years,  IMO voices like yours are always and will always be needed.

    i think this blog remains a bit of a sanity oasis in the roiling sea of insanty we are all now living in.

    i hope you continue.
    happy 15th.

    Please don't leave us Jeralyn. (5.00 / 6) (#2)
    by fishcamp on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:06:21 AM EST
    Your blog is the early morning highlight of my day.  Your information is priceless, as are most of the comments.  Glad to hear you've gotten rid of the argumentative blog cloggers,  we all know who they are.  Admittedly I don't contribute much in the political area, but my hurricane, fishing, and filmic information seems to be appreciated.  

    No hurricanes on the horizon, but the big storms are pouring off the Sahara desert and diving down to the equator for their round the world trip.  It's when they move up to the 15 degree latitude that we start to worry.  We are experiencing the eye burning effects of the SAL, Sahara Air Layer ever so slightly.  Some friends in the lower Caribbean islands say they get about a quarter inch of this sand daily.  Quite amazing that it travels so far across the Atlantic Ocean to us.  No self starting storms are spinning down around the Yucatan either.  New fuel is needed in my portable generator, just in case.

    No updates on movie stars or fishing just now.  The tarpon season is at it's peak, but I no longer can chase them around all day.  Age, wind and strange new ocean patterns are the cause of this.  So since Trump hasn't raided SS yet, I will dig deep to send a donation.  Your blog is very important to me, and thank you for continuing your fabulous information.

    yes (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:10:13 AM EST
    to all of that

    i to am finally in a position to contrubute after many years of not.  well i will be in a couple of weeks.


    Keep going. (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by scribe on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:13:13 AM EST
    This is one of the sane rooms on the internet.

    In other news, RIP Roger Moore and RIP Dina Merrill.  Two in one day.  Oy.
    Don't join them just yet.

    I hope you stay. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:59:03 AM EST
    I do support blocking the blog cloggers and faux-trumpettes. They just repeat the same points over and over. They have become tiresome.

    We are sympatico. Paragraph 6 above is EXACTLY my own thoughts and sentiments. You have said precisely what I have believed since November 9, 2016. I wept that day.

    I hope you stay too Jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 12:01:33 PM EST
    And yes I agree with the posters here that you are an island of sanity on the internet. There is too much drama even on some left wing blogs for my tastes. The conversation here is always interesting and for the most part we all get along.

    dittoed and seconded (none / 0) (#21)
    by vicndabx on Tue May 23, 2017 at 03:11:24 PM EST
    No Ordinary Time. (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 23, 2017 at 12:09:28 PM EST
    Once again, the country finds itself in peril; and, once again, needs to fight its way out of the danger.  Talk Left is among the effective ways and means to participate in this fight--whether by maintaining fortitude through venting or by sustaining bearings with facts and informed opinions.

    The political fight is not only about Trump, but also, about those Republicans who see this Administration as their opportunity to dismantle and destroy the progress of the past. The country's nightmare, but their dream come true, albeit, a Faustian bargain.

     The policy fight is illustrated by the instant example of health care:  taking away millions of Americans' health care so as to give tax cuts to the wealthiest.  A con to be sold by trickery and deceit.

    And, while damage will be inflicted in the domestic area, much is likely to be reversed if and when the electorate comes to its senses. But, in matters of foreign affairs,  damage may be serious and irreversible.

    Talk Left is but one voice and one community, but it needs to continue to do its part.  While it may be that Trump will see through his term, any and all opposition that reveals his incompetence, ignorance, and ethical challenges may ameliorate the damage.

    I am pleased to send a check. And, hope that others will do so as well so as to facilitate a positive outcome to your decision-making process.

    Please stay... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by desertswine on Tue May 23, 2017 at 12:37:29 PM EST
    This blog is important.

    Stay and maybe streamline a bit (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by McBain on Tue May 23, 2017 at 01:35:13 PM EST
    I don't know exactly how it works but perhaps you could slim things down to save money and effort.  I like being able to search through the archives for older posts but I could definitely live without that and other features.

    I hope you do what makes you happy.  If blogging is still a passion don't give it up because of the current political situation.  You know what I prefer to read and talk about so maybe the new TalkLeft won't be for me.  That's OK.

    My other two suggestions would be to...

    • stay away from your least favorite person and focus on rising stars in the DNC.
    • mix in a few dumbed down American TV shows even if you hate them.  Tell us why they aren't as good as what other countries offer.  

    Your voice is still needed!

    A must read. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 23, 2017 at 02:55:12 PM EST
    Mayor Mitch Landrieu's speech about removing Confederate monuments from New Orleans. This speech may make Mayor Landrieu an up and comer in the Democratic party.

    The six actors who've portrayed 007 ... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 23, 2017 at 04:42:35 PM EST
    ... in the Bond franchise over the past 55 years have each brought something different to the table. In Roger Moore's case, it was his self-deprecating wit and his wink and nod to the audience that he was having fun in the role. He also really appreciated what Daniel Craig has since done with the character, and opined that in his estimation, Craig was the best of the lot and "Skyfall" was the best movie of the franchise.

    Less well known but far more important than his role as James Bond was Sir Roger's work in his emeritus years as UNICEF's Goodwill Ambassador and later as its special ambassador, having taken up the cause that was nearest and dearest to his dear friend, the late Audrey Hepburn. She had first introduced him to the organization and like her, he became a tireless advocate for children's rights the world.

    Sir Roger Moore was one of the good guys, and he'll be missed.

    Roger Moore (none / 0) (#82)
    by MKS on Wed May 24, 2017 at 11:30:37 AM EST
    was camp.  It was fun.

    Roger Craig is a good Bond. But that is serious Bond.

    At the time Moore was playing Bond, it was trendy to say Sean Connery was the ultimate Bond. But a few allegations later, and Connery is persona non grata.


    Daniel Craig (none / 0) (#83)
    by MKS on Wed May 24, 2017 at 11:31:50 AM EST
    Hmm, but maybe Roger and Daniel are similar....

    ... Sir Roger Moore's camp sensibility perhaps renders his James Bond the most memorable of them all.

    To be sure, the "Popcorn Bond" that Sir Roger brought to movies like "Live and Le Die" and "A View to A Kill" was really miles away from author Ian Fleming's original dark vision for that character.

    But as you said, Moore's Bond was often one helluva lot of more fun to watch than the guy we saw in so many other 007 outings. Daniel Craig's detached and moody characterization is probably closest to Fleming's vision.



    Moore was Bond with Bell Bottoms (none / 0) (#153)
    by MKS on Thu May 25, 2017 at 01:48:38 PM EST
    I loved it....

    Bottom line, unique and substantive (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Lora on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:49:04 PM EST

    I only read a few blogs regularly, and over the years, yours is the one I have always come back to.

    I have disagreed with you many times, sometimes as a commenter, and often just in my own head.  This is perhaps a sign of respect and appreciation, as you are someone whom I feel is worth debating with, arguing with, considering carefully what is said and how and why.

    More often, I do agree with what you are saying, and probably I have not said so as often as perhaps I should.

    I have learned a great deal from Talk Left and have grown from it.

    From your post, it would appear that at least in part, you do want to continue, as you have mentioned plenty of topics to write about.

    I hope you do continue.  I also hope that multiple views can be expressed here without being slammed and without dominating the conversations.  I hope very much this can be accomplished without actual banning.  (We have been there, done that, and it wasn't pretty.) Perhaps "doing time" as in extended time out, and "probation" rather than a complete ban? For your consideration.

    Anyway, I appreciate this blog in many ways.  I wish you the best with your decision.

    Thank you Lora! (none / 0) (#132)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 08:04:54 PM EST
    Pretty please with sugar on top (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed May 24, 2017 at 11:43:36 AM EST
    Please keep going another year, or fifteen or twenty. 😏

    Comey smells worse by the day (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:07:57 PM EST
    How a dubious Russian document influenced the FBI's handling of the Clinton probe

    The FBI used an unreliable intelligence document in the Clinton email probe
    The FBI used an unreliable intelligence document to defend former FBI director James B. Comey's handling of the Clinton email probe. (Bastien Inzaurralde/The Washington Post)
    By Karoun Demirjian and Devlin Barrett May 24 at 3:02 PM
    A secret document that officials say played a key role in then-FBI Director James B. Comey's handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation has long been viewed within the FBI as unreliable and possibly a fake, according to people familiar with its contents.

    In the midst of the 2016 presidential primary season, the FBI received what was described as a Russian intelligence document claiming a tacit understanding between the Clinton campaign and the Justice Department over the inquiry into whether she intentionally revealed classified information through her use of a private email server.

    The Russian document cited a supposed email describing how then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch had privately assured someone in the Clinton campaign that the email investigation would not push too deeply into the matter. If true, the revelation of such an understanding would have undermined the integrity of the FBI's investigation.

    Current and former officials have said that Comey relied on the document in making his July decision to announce on his own, without Justice Department involvement, that the investigation was over. That public announcement -- in which he criticized Clinton and made extensive comments about the evidence -- set in motion a chain of other FBI moves that Democrats now say helped Trump win the presidential election.

    But according to the FBI's own assessment, the document was bad intelligence

    And the two or three (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:38:11 PM EST
    people that were discussed in the document nobody in the FBI ever contacted to verify anything.

    Once again, Comey should have just said case closed and nothing else about it.


    WAR MACHINE (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 07:42:54 AM EST
    this movie based on the late Michael Hastings book 'The Operators' drops on Netflix tomorrow.  reviews give you the impression the reviewers dont know quite wht to make of what is basically a satire of a subject so serious.  i am very interested just from listening to Hasting widow, Elise Jordan a regular on MSNBC, discuss it and what her late husband was trying to do.

    here is an AVClub review of the movie

    The idea behind the film is not bad on paper. While the usual targets of geopolitical satire are stuffed shirts, weasels, and smooth talkers, the butt of the joke here is McMahon, an undiplomatic, gut-instinct soldier's soldier who runs his office like the head coach of a over-budgeted college football team, assisted by a team of lackeys, played by the likes of Topher Grace (as his sleazy public-relations guru) and Anthony Michael Hall (as a character based on Mike Flynn). Michôd does manage to wring some solid laughs early on out of the American military presence's failures at improving its image with the people of Afghanistan. (As one local translator helpfully explains to McMahon and his team, "They call us `motherfvcker' all the time, and it is considered in our culture a very bad thing to fvck your mother.") But as War Machine inches closer to McMahon's downfall, it becomes more ham-fisted. Perhaps a more deftly made film would have made more than a self-satisfied observation out of the arbitrary circumstances of its main character's ouster. Michôd's previous two films have been skillful and grim thrillers produced on low budgets in his native Australia; here, he ironically parallels his subject by planting his foot on unfamiliar ground with no exit strategy.

    here is a DailyBeast review of the book

    It's impossible to read The Operators, Michael Hastings's new book about the Afghanistan War, without contemplating the amount of adoration and contempt it is going to generate in the coming weeks. It's a polarizing book about a polarizing war for a polarized nation. Despite that, it demands to be read by both audiences and everyone in between. Its origins reside in "The Runaway General," Hastings's 2010 Rolling Stone article about Gen. Stanley McChrystal and his inner circle, which led to the general's very public resignation from the top position in Afghanistan. Like it or not, this is a book of great consequence, not a pop-culture puff piece, which some of its deriders claim it is. The Operators seems destined to join the pantheon of the best of GWOT literature, not just for its rock-and-roll details, but for its piercing chronicles of a world gone mad.

    couple of things, 'Animal Kingdom', one of the directors previous films is freakin amazing and who doesnt want to see Dexter Morgan play Michael Flynn?

    We will be watching it (none / 0) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    I had mixed feelings about Hastings. But did not realize until after his death why he was so afraid. Mike Flynn was in McChrystal's immediate staff when he interviewed them all for Runaway General. I came to suspect that Flynn was one of the aides saying outrageous crap. And Flynn remained in the IC and continued to be promoted, as nuts as he was.

    Hastings said he feared JSOC, and I originally thought that was a little ridiculous given the structure of our government then. Of course now, given what our current President was willing to allow Flynn to do, who knows what someone with Flynn's resume might be able to do to you if they were quiet and cunning about it?

    I'm being fed today that my past FBI director was such an idiot he gave creedance to a document out of "the Russia hack". And seems to believe we are all getting George Soros checks in the mail for being libruls. So uhhhh...I guess the stoopid and incompetence has been swift and deep even when Obama was my President.


    That DB review of the book (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:39:31 AM EST
    Is very interesting.  Never read the book but I think I have to.  

    Interesting bit about exactly why Hastings, a liberal from the Rolling Stone, was given such broad and deep access.

    Definitely going to get the film as soon as it drops.  And ill say again, if you have not seen Animal Kingdom you should.


    I didn't read his book (none / 0) (#143)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:51:40 AM EST
    I was just burned out after Scahill. I once respected Scahill but his last work was a POS, based largely on lies. I shouldn't lump journalists together.

    My husband served with "the operators" though in Afghanistan. So I didn't want to read Hastings book, written referencing the exact same time frame, and be freshly pissed off at another "liberal". I thought I would just leave it alone.

    The other side had also run me through. I read 'No Easy Day', and then after that the first 3 SEALs on the stairs decided to each claim THEY had fired the bin Laden kill shot. Really guys? It's just a big pissing contest?

    In a nutshell, books about war are just effed up on all sides :)

    Before it's all done I'm likely going to have to read McMaster's acclaimed work though.


    Do read the (none / 0) (#151)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 25, 2017 at 11:36:14 AM EST
    book. Very worthwhile. Always wondered about the circumstances of Hastings death, but shied away owing to conspiracy theories.  But, like MT. the times now suggest another look.

    We really enjoyed 'War Dogs' too (none / 0) (#144)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 10:16:33 AM EST
    My husband's only critique of the movie (none / 0) (#145)
    by Militarytracy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 10:17:54 AM EST
    Was that the highway they took from Jordan to Fallujah was 4 lane.

    Hillary at Wellsley (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 26, 2017 at 11:56:11 AM EST
    if you missed this you really should watch the whole thing.

    that said (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 26, 2017 at 12:47:47 PM EST
    i would strongly advise against watching the, even the so called librul, nooze coverage of this.

    that will very likely make you want to slit your wrists or throw thing at your expensive tv.  

    or both.

    OMG Andrea Mitchell should SO be put out to patsure.


    and Tweety Mattews (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 26, 2017 at 01:31:52 PM EST
    can keep her company swating away horse flys and eating dasies.

    Hillary Clinton's (none / 0) (#193)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 26, 2017 at 03:51:39 PM EST
    Commencement speech to the Wellesly Class of 2017 was amazing.  However, it made me sad to think of what America missed out on.  Did not see/hear any negative comments, but, of course, know that they will be out there.  Hillary did say there will be trolls galore, online and in person.

    Twin Peaks (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:27:20 AM EST
    its baaaaack
    and lordy, it does not dissappoint.  Lynch is a wizard and a shaman.  his magic only works on some of us and i am definitely among them.   from the first opening scenes, that were a blatant homage to Eraserhead (still IMO his best work) i was transfixed for 120 minutes.  the dopelganger smushing the guys face around for a minute and a half had me lol'ing like a mental patient.  could begin to explain why.

    looking forward to 16 more hours in weekly doses of Lynch directed insanity makes me feel the opposite of warm and fuzzy.  but its a good opposite.  a very good opposite.

    this in the Daily Beast made me laugh too:

    There is a rumor about Twin Peaks that goes up to the highest levels of government.
    In the book Reflections: An Oral History of Twin Peaks, Jules Haimovitz, a TV executive at Aaron Spelling Productions--which produced the original series--recounted a story about a strange call Spelling received one night from Carl Lindner, the co-owner of Spelling Productions, demanding to know who killed Laura Palmer. Haimovitz brought the query to David Lynch, who, as is his wont, refused to divulge his secret. So Haimovitz phoned Lindner back, asking him who wanted to know. "President Bush," Lindner replied.
    Yes, Lindner was apparently good pals with then-President George H.W. Bush, who called in the favor on behalf of Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev--an apparent fan of the show.
    "What happened was Gorbachev called Bush, who called Carl, who called Aaron, who called me," recalled Haimovitz. "So I called David back and I said, `This isn't going to go anywhere, it'll be a secret. You have to tell me who Laura's killer is.' That's when I realized David had no idea who killed Laura Palmer."
    When I mention Haimovitz's story to Lynch, he lets out a hearty laugh. "I never heard that one!" he says, cackling away.

    Good creepy start (none / 0) (#71)
    by McBain on Wed May 24, 2017 at 12:51:52 AM EST
    more Fire Walk With Me than old Twin Peaks TV show which is fine with me. I always love scenes in the black lodge.

    surprisingly (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:26:46 AM EST
    i never saw the first Twin Peaks.   i am of course familiar with many aspects and characters but i guess it was from a time when i was not into or had no time for tv.  i missed the opportunity to record the marathon that SHO just ran but its on Netflix.  i will eventually get around to it.

    im all in for this one.


    John Brennan former CIA director (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:26:11 AM EST
    among other thing testifying live now.  not going well for the Court of Orange.  republicans try (hard) to get him to say there was "no evidence of collusion",  he says the opposite.

    i think hes going (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:43:00 AM EST
    to make Trey Gowdy cry

    If Trey Gowdy cries (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 12:02:43 PM EST
    please be sure to find the clip and post a link.

    I wonder what Admiral Rogers will be willing (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 01:08:32 PM EST
    And able to say. So, we already have one member of the military who had to refuse the President.

    Quite a juxtapose against McMaster who lost his ability to be apolitical somewhere. If McMaster was aware Admiral Rogers had been forced to disobey this President and he still chose to pit bull for the President that's shameful.


    did you see any of (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 02:26:35 PM EST
    the Brennan testimony?

    this POLITICO headline sums it up

    Brennan: Russia may have successfully recruited Trump campaign aides
    The former CIA director also says the FBI probe into whether Russia meddled in the election is `well founded.'

    I did see his testimony (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 03:44:08 PM EST
    And BOOM!

    pretty infuriating tho (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 04:41:04 PM EST
    to learn just how much the intel community knew about this before the election without saying a freakin word.

    but Hillarys emails, now THAT was important.  ive always been a little uncomfortable with the cannonization of St Comey.  more so today.  at best the man did not ever possess the judgment to have the job and at worst he is a self serving politically motivated pr!ck whos little CYA scam blew up his face with ramifications we might not even yet be able to imagine.

    good news bad news day.  i think.


    It looks bad for Comey (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:28:32 PM EST
    The FBI knew members of the Trump campaign were being recruited by Russia, but Anthony Weiner's laptop deserved a press conference about Hillary. Still no crime though, just gossip.

    I wonder what it felt like when Comey realized how screwed he was? He compromised his own self and the FBI. He had done something unethical, so Trump owns him for more unethical games, or he can be fired for that one past moment. Making Trump everyone's  savior Trump.


    I hope it is bad (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:35:35 PM EST
    The man almost single handedly gave us this sorry shi+storm we are now living.

    His name should live infamy forever


    I'm going (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:50:26 PM EST
    with self serving along with a lot of other Republicans like McConnell and Ryan. They knew about it and kept quiet. Though none of that would have mattered if the press had not blown it all out of proportion and done a responsible job of reporting.

    Yes (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 06:04:42 PM EST
    As the devils advocate (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 06:17:28 PM EST
    Literally, I actually think it's perfectly believable they thought, actually thought - like the rest of us, Trump would never actually win anyway.  Hillary would and the pearl clutching shi+storm that the republicans could reasonably be expected to bring if, for example, the Rudy loving NY FBI office leaked information about Hillary/Weiner that was not disclosed would cripple her presidency.

    Not and excuse.  Just a reasonable explanation.


    If that was Comey's long game (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:40:53 PM EST
    He has learned things don't always go swell for the king maker. The king maker lost his head.

    They probably (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:41:33 PM EST
    did think that. Yet they are still blaming Hillary for everything and taking no responsibility for themselves. Heck, they even had Russian propaganda seep into the respectable news organizations. That they should find worrisome.

    Jeralyn, (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 23, 2017 at 12:12:53 PM EST
    Can't obtain your snail address from the link; please take a look.

    Thanks, Dan I fixed it (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 23, 2017 at 01:44:04 PM EST
    The link should work now. It's here. Much appreciated!

    Stay! Please! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 12:53:36 PM EST
    You can't leave just as I'm heading to DC! I'm in route like a gypsy but sending money. You can't leave right now J, we need you. Where else can we, the unwashed, ask attorneys pointed questions about the law as the horror goes down?

    I'll end up with Dershowitz podcasts. My understanding of the rule of law will be distilled into porridge :)

    Sir Roger Moore passed away recently (none / 0) (#18)
    by McBain on Tue May 23, 2017 at 01:45:01 PM EST
    The Spy Who Loved me was my first James Bond film so Moore will always be Bond to me.  The Man with The Golden Gun was another fun movie.  

    I remeber you used to post in support of (none / 0) (#25)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:11:11 PM EST
    Kim Dotcom.

    What is your take on his latest admission regarding Set Rich?

    He obviously cannot even hint at admitting to handling documents that were likely illegaly obtained, especially if they are classified, without fear of arrest.

    Do think he will be granted immunity in exchange for sworn testimony and evidence proving Seth Rich was the DNC whistle blower?

    kim dotcom (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 11:49:12 AM EST
    lost me when he became a raving anti-Clinton/Chris Dodd guy and supporter of Donald Trump, whom he believes will view his case through the same lens he does and kill the extradition proceeding against him.

    That said, I think his lawyers are right about the charges he faces being bogus, that the U.S. is doing the bidding of Hollywood (especially while Chris Dodd was head of the Motion Pictures Assn.) and that his money should be returned, MegaUpload should be restarted, and everyone should get their stored material back from the servers. The raid in 2012 was an abuse of rights.

    On the topic you are referring to, I have yet to read a single word about Seth Rich, the topic hasn't interested me yet. So I can't respond.


    Politico (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:25:28 PM EST
    Fox News on Tuesday issued a public retraction of a controversial article it published last week on the investigation of DNC staffer Seth Rich's murder. "On May 16, a story was posted on the Fox News website on the investigation into the 2016 murder of DNC Staffer Seth Rich," Fox's note read. "The article was not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting. Upon appropriate review, the article was found not to meet those standards and has since been removed." The original article had claimed that "sources in FBI" suggested they'd seen Rich's computer containing evidence of him corresponding with WikiLeaks prior to his murder. However, it turns out, the FBI never had Rich's computer. "Retracted. Wow," a former Fox executive remarked to The Daily Beast. "Roger [Ailes] would brag at meetings how he was proud Fox never had to print a retraction." The Seth Rich story made its way to Fox's air with primetime star Sean Hannity repeatedly covering the unfounded theory that DNC apparatchiks murdered Rich for possible ties to WikiLeaks. Despite the Rich family's outrage--and multiple Fox reporters telling The Daily Beast that such coverage "embarrasses" the network--Hannity has persisted.

    fyi what he is saying (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:32:32 PM EST
    According to Kim, the whole Russian narrative was invented by the Democrats in an try at injury management after Seth leaked emails to WikiLeaks that upset and harm the Clinton marketing campaign.

    I would never normally post such ridiculously offensive thing but this kind of krap needs a response.


    Rich's family (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 05:52:14 PM EST
    should sue Fox News for all the suffering they have caused their family with their lies. They also should fire Hannity unless he issues a retraction for the lies he has spread about Rich.

    He has an audience (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 06:03:21 PM EST

    Who goves a flying.... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:42:54 PM EST
    About fox or Hannity.

    This is about Kim Dotcom who would not put himself in more legal jeopardy with the US unless he could back it up.


    Uh huh (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:16:49 PM EST
    Today the Rich family (none / 0) (#42)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:46:34 PM EST
    Formally demanded that the DC cops stop stonewalling and hand over all investigation reports and evidence regarding their son's mysterious murder.

    Hannity.. (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by jondee on Wed May 24, 2017 at 11:10:58 AM EST
    who can forget when that bulletheaded clown was practically salivating on air at the prospect of the feds opening up on the Bundys so that he could turn Cliven and sons into latter day right wing John Browns?

    Beware of anyone whose earliest hero and role model is someone like Ollie North.


    Read (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:58:41 PM EST
    about it here

    Nobody believes Kim dotcom's story. And reputable sources are saying that Rich's brother wrote a letter asking people to stop spreading conspiracy theories. Seth Rich was shot walking home from a bar in DC at night. So like that never happens in DC?


    They're asking the DC police ... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Yman on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:59:54 PM EST
    ... to go public with the information to help debunk all the stupid, wingnut conspiracy theories that are being propogated with tinfoil claims and BS language - i.e. "stonewalling", "mysterious", etc.

    But you already knew that.

    `The family has full confidence in the Metropolitan Police Department's ability to proceed with this investigation. But given the large amount of hearsay and conspiracy theories surrounding the case, maybe it's time for the police department to be more forthcoming with information regarding the investigation and to update the people of Washington, D.C. on the status of the case,' said Brad Bauman, a spokesperson for Rich's family.

    Every cheeto stained web skid mark (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:15:47 PM EST
    You can find on the tinfoil web on this subject discuss Dim dot com and the FOX "investigative reporting" in the same breath.  'S all part of the same croc of Shi+

    redbrow: "Do think he will be granted immunity in exchange for sworn testimony and evidence proving Seth Rich was the DNC whistle blower?"

    ... I bet we'll find that there's been a run on tinfoil in the local supermarkets.


    Attack me all you want with ad hom (none / 0) (#37)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:39:59 PM EST
    But are you sure you want to also insult Jeralyn who has followed and written much about Kim Dotcom?

    Pointing out that your "question" ... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Yman on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:02:38 PM EST
    ... is nothing more than a silly, baseless conspiracy theory is not an ad hominem attack.

    It's just  fact.

    Those are things you could use to make the accusation directly if you actually had any to support your CT.


    The Snopes take (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:47:14 PM EST
    on this is worth a read

    Police reported that Rich was conscious and breathing at the time of the shooting. Had he any information about his murder having been a set-up, he likely would have conveyed such to attending officer before he died of his wounds shortly thereafter.

    Looking forward to seeing (none / 0) (#50)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:51:57 PM EST
    Their bodycam footage, of it hasn't disappeared.

    Oooo (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:55:51 PM EST
    What if the cop disappeared.   Maybe they have new secret invisibility cloaks.

    That J has defended Kim Dotcom's rights (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Peter G on Wed May 24, 2017 at 12:46:30 PM EST
    does not lead logically to the conclusion that she supports, or that anyone else ought to take seriously, all (or any) of his public claims on various subjects.

    Yep (none / 0) (#121)
    by MKS on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:46:31 PM EST
    And kudos to you for having the patience to spell this out.....

    Those of us who actually believe in the notion (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Peter G on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:55:01 PM EST
    of "rights" do not reserve our defense of rights to those we agree with or otherwise support.

    True (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by MKS on Thu May 25, 2017 at 01:23:26 PM EST
    I am convince that is true.

    But for me, I cannot say that I have a firm, principled commitment to the Statute of Frauds (requiring most significant contracts be in writing)..... I do know and work with it a lot, but....

    Difference between those who practice Civil v. Criminal Law.


    Joke, right? (none / 0) (#38)
    by Repack Rider on Tue May 23, 2017 at 07:40:01 PM EST
    Do think he will be granted immunity in exchange for sworn testimony and evidence proving Seth Rich was the DNC whistle blower?

    Wouldn't a strait-jacket be a more suitable "reward?"


    I don't think we should ignore (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:19:18 PM EST
    This same terrific source of info says the whole "Russia thing" was cooked up by the nefarious democrats to cover their evil deeds.

    No really.


    Agreed. Ignoring it only makes it worse. (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:08:48 PM EST
    Rather, the right-wing peddlers of these lies should be routinely confronted, stepped on and crushed, just like one might do with any cockroach that's caught underfoot. We can't afford to have our country's fate held hostage by such duplicitous morons.

    Israeli Officers Right About ISIS (none / 0) (#35)
    by RickyJim on Tue May 23, 2017 at 06:32:50 PM EST
    "Why not?" the officer shot back. "When they asked the late [Israeli] Prime Minister Menachem Begin in the Iraq-Iran War in the 80s, who does Israel stand for, Iraq or Iran, he said, `I wish luck to both parties. They can go at it, killing each other.' The same thing is here. You have ISIS killing Al Qaeda by the thousands, Al Qaeda killing ISIS by the thousands. And they are both killing Hezbollah and Assad."

    Link It is a pretty good account of why Trump's plan to annihilate ISIS will fail and what to do instead.

    I was going to shoot back something about (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:55:06 PM EST
    You supporting Obama's foreign policy now. But no, I couldn't be more wrong. Obama would have incentivized humanist principles being exercised by all players, only used military force when all political avenues had failed. He would have not cheered on murder, betrayal, and horror.

    My bad, sorry


    Netanyhu has (none / 0) (#56)
    by MKS on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:59:06 PM EST
    said the same thing....fairly recently as I recall.

    No wiggle room (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:16:29 PM EST
    One thing that stands out for me was before the Trump inauguration, Michelle Obama talking about hope and these times when we are faced with the loss of it. Flat out, I never got the Obama hope thing.

    To stand on the sidelines of humanity cheering, hoping for, and through negligence  allow those with "issues" to murder each other..... without even attempting a dialogue on other ways forward that don't require murder-that is a hope and a hopelessness I can understand.

    My hope? Stay firm! Know who I am! I may not be able to stop atrocity, but it is a violation of my soul to hope for it, cheer for it, argue for it.

    If ever I do that, all hope is probably gone for ME. I have become an emotional blackhole, a vampire.


    I never got (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:45:06 PM EST
    the whole Obama hope thing either.

    Strangely enough though I have been feeling more hope recently that I have felt in a long, long time when it comes to politics. I mean this is bigger than even the Russian thing. The whole GOP lie machine is being dismantled right before our eyes. Russia interfering is bad enough but that is only within a window of time and Trump. The right wing lie machine has been working overtime for a good 25 or so years now and never has been exposed exactly for what it is until now.


    The possible subterfuge is gone (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 11:13:42 PM EST
    Republicans run it all.

    I had a moment of panic yesterday when it was announced the earned income credit was going to be axed.

    It bought my daughter a much needed car this year after her husband dumped her and the kids. The Ayn Rand fanboys say this is welfare reform, but you have to be employed to receive the earned income credit. You have to be working poor.

    My daughter waited patiently for tax season, trying to get the last mile out of her old car, taking rides from others. She got her tax return and began shopping, but there wasn't immediately relief because everyone was doing what she had done. They waited for their earned income credit to try to obtain reliable transportation. It took 4 wks of looking for her.

    Alabama wanted Trump. Alabama is a taker state. Alabama is full to the brim with working poor. There is nobody to blame this on when they do this. There is no spin to sell, there will be no takers.

    I know this is needed. But why do people have to hurt so much before they choose not to embrace insanity?


    They are like (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:13:00 AM EST
    homeless people. It is the same mindset. Everything is zero sum and if somebody else gets something it means they are going to take their box away from them.

    the so called budget (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:33:11 AM EST
    is radioactive.  the republicans can say its "dead on arrival" all they want, and they are, but you can bet it will live on in campaign ads about cutting educational loans, cancer research, SNAP, the EITC of course and more applicable to Alabama huge cuts is Agricultural and many other rural assistance programs like hospitals and transportation.

    to give huge tax cuts to the richest.   its a gift to democrats.  republicans running for office understand this.


    A couple of $trillion here, and (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 24, 2017 at 12:11:21 PM EST
    a couple of $trillion there, and, soon it begins to (not) add up.  In what has been described as the most egregious accounting error in a presidential budget in nearly 40 years, the Trump budget projects that the increase in economic growth will produce $2.1 trillion in additional federal revenue.

     But, the budget counts this supposed windfall twice.  It need the money to offset the cost of the tax cuts, but in the budget, the $2.1 trillion is also recorded as a separate line item above and beyond the steady growth of tax revenues.

    "The same money cannot be used twice," Maya Mac Guiness, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.  

    An example of the Trump claims and budget: Trump has pledged to end estate taxation.  However, the budget projects that the government will collect more than $300 billion in estate taxes over the next decade--a greater estimate that the Obama Administration.

    The Trump Administration has defended this unique accounting by saying the focus on details was misplaced.  Apparently, budgets should not be looked at in a quantitative sense, since these are just the dreaded numbers, we need to look elsewhere.  

    Despite the distancing by some Republicans as the budget being DOA, I am skeptical.  Changes, sure, but the Republican idea of comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted will survive.  Only the "quantitative" part will change; the "qualitative" ideas will be embraced.


    I have said here (none / 0) (#87)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 12:39:40 PM EST
    frequently since 2014 that we should get the h*ll out of the Middle East and let AQ or Nusra or another competitor battle it out with ISIS, they will just kill each other off and news groups will form with the same goals, and the battles between them will begin again, but it has nothing to do with us. They are killing us because we won't stop interfering and bombing. Even their most recent Magazine issue, Rumiyah 9, had an article by their new chief spokesman,Shaykh Abul-Hasan al Muhajir,  that said leaving the middle east is the only option left:

    Certainly, O America, you know that you have no savior. You have become prey for the soldiers of the Khilafah in every region of the earth. You have become bankrupt and the signs of your end are apparent and visible to the eyes. There is no better evidence of this than that an uncouth idiot has assumed authority over you, while he has no idea what Sham is, what Iraq is, and what Islam is - yet he still raves about showing enmity to it and declaring war against it.

    There is nothing in front of you except two choices, each more bitter than the other. Either you take a lesson from what has transpired and turn back, leaving the mujahidin with what you leave behind of spoils, or you come down [to the battleground] - which you have done - and plunge into the mire of death, so that the muwahhidin shall become reassured by Allah's permission.

    He may be American, read this article.


    thank you (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:17:48 PM EST
    i was feeling a bit isolated by feeling the idea of letting them kill each other doesnt seem like a bad one to me.

    I did not post any conpiracy theory (none / 0) (#53)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:55:23 PM EST
    I repeated what Kim posted on his site and wants to testify under oath.

    Which is in fact (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 08:56:59 PM EST
    A conspiracy theory.  Thanks for confirming.

    If he nas evidence (none / 0) (#57)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:01:50 PM EST
    It is conspiracy fact.

    I feel bad for his family but they do not to get pick and choose where witnesses and evidence leads.


    ... who otherwise has no legal standing in this particular matter. In other words, it's an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that's being peddled by an attention-seeking buffoon who doesn't know his a$$ from his elbow. When Sean Hannity finally gets the hook, both he and you can apply for the job.

    I deleted the comment attacking you (none / 0) (#72)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:28:45 AM EST
    in response, it wasn't fair.

    Please, everyone, be civil.


    What was unfair about it, Jeralyn? (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 08:08:56 AM EST
    Please hear me out here, because you may well be unfamiliar with the underlying story. Under the guise of a question to you, redbrow deliberately posted a now-debunked right-wing conspiracy theory about the tragic July 2016 murder of Seth Rich, a young DNC staffer who had only recently signed on with Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign at the time of his death.

    Rich's murder, according to Washington, DC police, appears to have been the result of an attempted armed robbery gone badly awry while he was walking back home from a local bar. However, those right-wingers who've lately been disseminating this particular conspiracy theory have instead disingenuously insinuated on Fox News and elsewhere, without providing any supporting evidence, that:

    • The deceased himself was the one who had leaked DNC and Clinton campaign communications to WikiLeaks, rather than the Russian intelligence services; and therefore
    • The young man's death was quite possibly the result of a murder for hire, which was perhaps contracted by the DNC or even Mrs. Clinton herself. (Shades of Vince Foster.)

    Then, when redbrow was called out for having posted this baseless theory, he attempted to hide behind your skirts by further claiming that your prior posts about Kim Dotcom's legal predicaments had prompted his question to you -- a question which conveniently restated Mr. Dotcom's original unsubstantiated allegation about Seth Rich's murder as though it were already an established fact.

    Well, it's not an established fact. Far from it. As a matter of fact (pun intended), Fox News has since publicly retracted its seedy conspiracy theory story as untrue, and further did so prior to redbrow posting it here, hence my admittedly and perhaps overly forceful rebuttal to him. He's purposely trafficking a vile right-wing smear, which is something that you've repeatedly said you want minimized on the TL website, if not eliminated entirely.

    So, if you're going to delete, then please do so to that entire subthread, rather than just my comment, which included my quoting of a personal plea from the deceased's parents as published in yesterday's Washington Post, asking that conservative pundits and commenters cease using the tragic occasion of their son's death in the furtherance of their own political agendas.

    Because as the matter presently stands, that plea from young Mr. Rich's parents is now gone, while redbrow's Russian-generated and now repudiated conspiracy theory remains posted here in this thread. And whose purpose does that serve?



    my concern is with name-calling and (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 08:03:18 PM EST
    personal attacks on other commenters.
    You can express your disagreement without ridiculing another commenter for what he or she believes.
    As soon as I see  name-calling and bullying, I delete the comment with it. As I said, I know nothing about the Rich case and don't have the time or interest right now to follow it. And I certainly don't read all the comments posted on TalkLeft. But when I see a comment with name-calling, "shaming" and personal attacks, I delete it. I don't want anyone to feel afraid of expressing their opinion for fear of being ridiculed.

    I am not spreading anything (none / 0) (#61)
    by Redbrow on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:13:20 PM EST
    I came to see what Jeralyns opinion was.

    She is the one who made me aware of the injustice and persecution he faced.


    Methink you protest too much!

    uh huh (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:20:12 PM EST
    i think thats BS first, and second i am actually unaware of the hosts feeings about him and in would not change mine if i did.  MY feeling is that he is and always was a fraud a fool and a publicity wh0re.  

    the fact he supposedly promotes certain things i agree with IMO in no way changes who or what he is.  a joke.

    is that protest enough for ya.


    Howdy stop the insults (none / 0) (#88)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 12:42:23 PM EST
    We just got rid of one commenter to avoid the constant ridicule his comments received and that is not a license to start again on someone new.

    Let him have his say. Disagree with him but don't attack him.


    k (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:16:24 PM EST
    deep breaths

    Then most everybody finally caught on to his shtick, and have since pegged him for the rancid bucket of slime he is. By his own hand, Kim Dotcom is well on his way to sharing a similar fate in the court of public opinion.

    I never did (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 02:08:16 PM EST
    Because he "edited" the Apache helicopter footage trying to get rid of proof of the rpg that was being carried by one member of the group killed. He had to include a few seconds of footage though with it in or we would not have been able to identify the reporters killed. And the argument was that that was not an rpg, it was an extra long camera lens. My husband took the frame though and then showed me out of Janes the rpg they were carrying. It was not a camera lens.

    Assange also did not even take the time to understand the simple acronyms being used on the radio. Iraqi police were part of that operation, it was IraqI police who called US forces and the Apaches in.

    Not saying that events that occurred were okay, but when someone in the US is using rpgs in a neighborhood deadly force is used in that situation too.

    Combine that spin with dumping documents that place Afghanistan and Iraqi residents in danger, can't even be responsible enough to redact, and eff him. Manning bears responsibility there too.


    Assange always rubbed me the wrong way, ... (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:09:45 PM EST
    ... even when people were singing his praises during the NSA data mining controversy, although in the beginning I could never really put my finger on the exact reason why he did. He just oozed this self-righteous sort of smarm, which I found personally off-putting if not quite repulsive. (I've since detected a similar trait in The Intercept's Glenn Greenwald, and it's not at all a flattering one.)

    Then came Assange's own personal controversy regarding his boorish to abusive sexual antics with two different women in Sweden, which caused him to subsequently flee to the Ecuadorian embassy in London when Swedish authorities came calling. Ever since, he's been blaming the U.S. and Britain for his own self-inflicted misfortunes and at that point, the reason for my dislike started coming into sharp focus. The guy's actually a walking rectal cavity who possesses a reckless disregard for his own personal behavior.



    want to talk (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:19:38 PM EST
    about Snowden now?

    Not really. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:43:43 PM EST
    While I'm glad to have learned what Edward Snowden leaked publicly, and I don't believe that he deserves prison time for acting upon his idealism, nevertheless he broke federal law in doing so. He needs to answer for it and stand up for himself.

    Former DOD senior military analyst Daniel Ellsberg didn't attempt to flee to a foreign country to seek asylum after he disclosed the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times. He stood his ground in the face of multiple charges under the 1917 Espionage Act, and subsequently won vindication in federal court when the presiding judge dismissed all charges against him.

    Snowden should do the same and stand his own ground. Surely, there is some great civil libertarian / criminal defense attorney willing to take up his cause, and negotiate a deal with DOJ on his behalf by which he can return to this country without subsequently being thrown into a black hole in some federal gulag, never to be seen or heard from again.

    Nuff ced. Aloha.


    gulag (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:52:50 PM EST
    interesting choice of words considering his protector.

    ... in his Moscow exile exist aolely at the pleasure of Vladimir Putin, who will tolerate his presence in Russia so long as he serves a useful political purpose. Putin can rescind those privileges away at his whim or even have Snowden shot, should either he or his intelligence services ever perceive the ex-pat American to be a potential material threat to the regime. And at this point, I'll cease stating the obvious.

    everything is obvious (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 05:40:06 PM EST
    except your point.

    going to hide behind Putins skirts was his choice.  am i supposed to feel sorry for him for doing that?  i will give you a prediction.  it wont be long before it will be as hard to find anyone who supported him as it is now to find anyone who supported Assange.


    or Greenwald (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 05:42:23 PM EST
    I don't feel sorry for Snowden. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:03:14 PM EST
    No reason for you to do so, either. It was his decision to flee the country and blab to Greenwald. Nobody compelled him to do what he did, and he has to live with the resultant consequences.

    I'm fine with what Snowden disclosed thus far about the NSA data mining operation on U.S. citizens and residents, which was clearly illegal as far as I'm concerned.

    But admittedly, I also don't know what other purloined intelligence he's still holding, or what the Russians may have gotten from him since he first touched down in Moscow a few years ago.



    as a smart person once said (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:11:57 PM EST
    everything said before the word BUT is meaningless.

    i think it was Tip ONeill


    So, too, is your gloating. (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:27:43 PM EST

    One of the few, if any, (none / 0) (#120)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:29:03 PM EST
    areas in which we held differences of opinion was the case of Edward Snowden.  I continue to believe the Snowden's actions were that of whistle-blower rather than espionage.  The debate over surveillance would not otherwise have happened.  As one federal district judge noted that NSA program was almost Orwellian.  The government did not cover itself in glory on this matter, from Director Clapper's lying about the program before Congress to the Administration's actions with Evo Morales.  

    Snowde's motivations are not yet known and may well not be pure as the driven snow. ,although we do seem to get Greewald's and Assange's   In any event, my basic concern was the inappropriateness of charging Snowden under the Espionage Act of 1917.  I may well have to admit I was wrong, and am prepared to do so. But, so far, I believe we are better off with the results of his actions.


    yep (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:46:56 PM EST
    i dont deny what he did has had some positive results.  what bothers me is we in fact have absolutely no idea what else he has done.  not being or pretending to be a lawyer i have no idea or opinion of with what or how he should be charged.  
    that said, IMO he should be.
    with the backdrop of what Russia is doing and clearly has been doing, well pretty much forever, i cant see how what Snowdwn did and where he went, like a homeing pidgeon becomes even more troubling than it was many months ago.  

    its true we disagree on very few things.  on this we do.  its really a pretty small thing.

    ftr, this part is not for you, i am not gloating.  BUT (heh) accusing me of it certainly suggests he thinks i was correct.


    Hahahaha (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:44:30 PM EST
    You and I have the same smarm detector Donald. I still have Greenwald in my Twitter feed. Sometimes he posts something absurd and I say to myself...don't troll him Tracy. Don't do it, don't do it, don't feed it...and then I troll him. I just can't get on top of that yet.

    Having been around politics as long ... (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 05:51:26 PM EST
    ... as I have, I've got built-in antennae for smarm detection, and I'm really not one with a personal affinity for either schmoozing others or being schmoozed by them. We have a new House Speaker down at the State Capitol thanks to a reorg a few weeks ago and he's a guy who sets off my internal detection instincts, which scream "Danger, Will Robinson, danger!" whenever I'm in his presence.

    yes (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 23, 2017 at 09:27:26 PM EST
    they did.  you might remember i did not.  

    happily he is being tried (none / 0) (#131)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 08:04:23 PM EST
    in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

    As he should be, Jeralyn, (none / 0) (#150)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 25, 2017 at 11:06:07 AM EST
    My concern isn't with Kim Dotcom's prior legal difficulties, but with his present willingness to be a conduit for a callous and unfounded right-wing innuendo and smear campaign being conducted against the DNC and Hillary Clinton regarding Seth Rich's senseless murder.

    Jeralyn, did you have a precursor to TL? (none / 0) (#70)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 24, 2017 at 12:16:09 AM EST
    My memory is that I joined TL on Feb 21, 2002. That is the morning, on my way to work, that I heard on the news that AQ had released a video of Daniel Pearl being beheaded.

    Googling at work for more information, I found you. iirc, you wrote that some bloggers would not link to the video, but would and had good reasons to do it. At least, that is my memory. Am I confusing TL with another site?

    Anyway, TL has changed a lot over the years, and I think more so since the November election. From my perspective its commenters/contributors have since dwindled substantially.

    I have always been impressed with the time that you devoted to the blog, as many of your posts must have taken hours to research and compile.

    I would not be surprised if you felt it was time to move on, and I thank you for the difference you have made in my life.

    you are right (none / 0) (#73)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:32:51 AM EST
    I did have another site from 1996 on called CrimeLynx. It's a resource for lawyers but it also had a daily news page. It's still up but keep in mind no changes have been made since 2000 so technologiucally, it's as current as a 8 track player. I''l explain more tomorrow, have to get some sleep now.

    how is it Shinzo Abe (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:47:31 AM EST
    has not become best friends with The Court of Orange?
    Japan: Shinzo Abe's Government Has a Thing About Hitler. It Likes Him.

    TOKYO--Imagine a world in which the Nazis and Imperial Japan won the second world war--that's the premise of the critically acclaimed TV series The Man In The High Castle, which is science fiction. But as a matter of fact, the grandson of a war criminal, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, seems intent on turning that dark fantasy into something more like a reality TV show. The premiere is scheduled for 2020, and he's drawing on some classics for the scenario: Mein Kampf recently was approved for Japanese classrooms, and the suggestively titled Hitler's Election Strategy is popular with some members of the Abe Cabinet.

    Time (none / 0) (#79)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 24, 2017 at 08:18:03 AM EST
    for a cage match
    "Trey Gowdy should have his ass kicked"
    I will put my money on Mudd.

    I see Trump's buddy Alex Jones (none / 0) (#91)
    by jondee on Wed May 24, 2017 at 02:34:24 PM EST
    just called the Manchester bombing victims "liberal trendies", and the Infowars folks were promptly put in their place by being given Whitehouse press credentials.

    The only appropriate documentarian for this period in our history is David Lynch. It's beyond the ken of all the Ken Burns of the world.


    David Lynch (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:59:03 PM EST
    indeed. So bizarre it's right up his alley.

    told ya so (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:29:47 PM EST
    Administration sources had previously described former Sen. Joe Lieberman as the leading prospect for the high-profile job, but he ran into resistance from Democrats who questioned the wisdom of installing a former politician as FBI director, particularly as the agency grapples with a politically sensitive probe into possible ties between Russia and Trump's presidential campaign.

    Lieberman is no longer considered the frontrunner, an official said. CNN first reported that Trump was resetting his search for someone to replace Comey, who was fired as he led the probe into Trump's associates.

    Nobody is going to take that job :) (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:40:24 PM EST
    Trump is radioactive. He still can't even get a secretary of the Army hired. P.S. Nate Silver has Trump's approval at 21%...he is losing the MAGA base now.

    Jared (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:42:24 PM EST
    Which job? (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:47:18 PM EST
    The one where he's America's top cop, or the one where we ductape his name to his Ralph Lauren?

    like father in law (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:49:14 PM EST
    also (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:47:25 PM EST
    Lying Joe would have taken it in a NY minute.  

    This is why (none / 0) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:57:34 PM EST
    I think McCabe is going to end up with the job. He's already doing it and nobody else wants it. Like you said though who can blame them? Or we'll just have an "Acting FBI Director" until we get another president.

    ... once administration officials got over their initial giddiness at the prospect of shoving him down Democrats' throats, and started looking more closely at him.

    First off, at age 75 Ol' Joe is simply much too old for serious consideration for a 10-year term as FBI director. I think most of the public would have balked at his appointment on that count alone.

    The second strike was Lieberman's longstanding Russophobia and well-known Putin-hatin', both of which should have really served as flashing red lights to anyone in the administration who desires to protect the boss and his merry band of cronies and flunkies from themselves.

    Because given that AND Ol' Joe's documented history of doing his own thing whenever it might suit him, he'd have likely been a pit bull on the administration's pantleg as FBI director, once he saw first-hand for himself the extent of the Trump campaign's contacts and likely collusion with the Russian government officials and intelligence services during the 2016 election and thereafter.

    In my estimation, there's really no way that Lieberman would have granted them a mulligan and a "Get Out of Jail Free" card on that. And Trump could ill-afford to be seen publicly firing a second FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, right on the heels of having already fired his first one for the same reason.



    CBO (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 04:45:09 PM EST
    Well, it does reduce (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:07:37 PM EST
    the budget--indeed, if even this monstrosity was dumped completely, the budget would "look" even better. That tends to happen in cost shifting,

     And, premiums will be cheaper for those who are healthy and plan never to get sick or injured.  For those older Americans, but not yet eligible for Medicare, maybe the savings of their young, healthier adult children can be sent over to Mom and Pop to help with their skyrocketed premiums.

    And, of course, forget about Medicaid and Planned Parenthood.  And, those who think they are just fine because they get their insurance with their jobs, they need to find out more about how it may affect them.  But, the good part, is the tax cuts for the high rollers.

    The buzz is not to worry; it will go nowhere in the Senate, that body that is the cooling saucer for the hot cup of stuff poured by the House.  To believe that, one would have to have trust in McConnell to do the right thing; not a good bet.  The senate's work, so far, has been in the dark-- as with mold, it grows best in that environment. Mitch is looking for the votes now, seems shy of the necessary few.

     If Republican senators cannot vote for it, we can only guess why. Trump will love it; he got a bill, any bill will do. Obamacare will have been repealed.


    Wronfully convicted man set free (none / 0) (#109)
    by McBain on Wed May 24, 2017 at 05:25:13 PM EST
    After 24 years
    Testimony by a single witness linked him to the scene of the crime, but it was later recanted. Thomas was sentenced to life in 1993.

    One of the flaws of our system is how long it takes to get an innocent man out of prison. Another is how little these people are compensated for the horrible mistake.  

    Pennsylvania has no statutory provision (none / 0) (#128)
    by Peter G on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:51:47 PM EST
    to compensate the wrongly or wrongfully convicted after they are lucky enough to be vindicated and released. None. Either you find someone to sue, even though under Supreme Court doctrine most people or entities you might sue are granted immunity, or you get nothing.

    From our "Phukn Luvly" file: (none / 0) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 24, 2017 at 06:23:57 PM EST
    Per today's Washington Post, FBI officials are now admitting that a document which purportedly divulged an understanding between the campaign of Hillary Clinton and the Justice Department over the federal inquiry into her emails, and which apparently further triggered then-FBI Director James Comey's decision to publicly comment on the investigation last July, was in fact Russian-manufactured intelligence:

    Washington Post | May 24, 2017
    How a dubious Russian document influenced the FBI's handling of the Clinton probe - "In the midst of the 2016 presidential primary season, the FBI received a purported Russian intelligence document describing a tacit understanding between the campaign of Hillary Clinton and the Justice Department over the inquiry into whether she intentionally revealed classified information through her use of a private email server. The Russian document mentioned a supposed email describing how then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch had privately assured someone in the Clinton campaign that the email investigation would not push too deeply into the matter -- a conversation that if made public would cast doubt on the inquiry's integrity. Current and former officials have said that document played a significant role in the July decision by then-FBI Director James B. Comey to announce on his own, without Justice Department involvement, that the investigation was over. That public announcement -- in which he criticized Clinton and made extensive comments about the evidence -- set in motion a chain of other FBI moves that Democrats now say helped Trump win the presidential election." (Emphasis is mine.)

    As much as it pains me to admit it, I'm starting to agree with Dick Cheney's assertion that Russia's meddling in our election ought to be rightly considered an act of war.

    What a mess we're in.

    another anternoon (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:02:42 PM EST
    Republican candidate (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:27:29 PM EST
    in tomorrows special election in Montana just assaulted a reporter


    Reporter alleges Greg Gianforte `body slammed' him in Bozeman

    audio and video supposedly on the way

    audio as promised (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 07:41:35 PM EST
    this is turning into a huge story (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 08:41:06 PM EST
    dont see how the guy is not charged with assault.  it could totally swing this election which even republicans say is in the low single digits.  

    assault or no losing a seat where Trump won by 20 points would be a political earthquake.

    its the kind of thing that could scare the hell out of republicans and change everything in Trump/Russia/obstruction world overnight.


    press conference (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 24, 2017 at 09:11:41 PM EST
    coming up with the sheriff.  will be carried live on MSNBC

    It's likely too late (none / 0) (#135)
    by Towanda on Wed May 24, 2017 at 11:56:29 PM EST
    To swing the election tomorrow, with early votes already cast that -- based on past turnout -- could be two-thirds of the total vote.  And local media, including thre major newspapers thall endorsed the Republicsn, are not reporting much about it, according to locals.  Nor is Fox news network, despite its local reporters' support of the body-slammed reporter's account.

    And if Quist does win, the right will blame this incident, not Trump's support.

    But who knows, maybe Montanans suddenly will switch to other tv channels tonight . . . although they still may support beating up the librul outside agitators.


    all the local papers (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 07:00:36 AM EST
    have withdrawn their endorsments.

    i think it will matter.  


    in the age of (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 07:06:37 AM EST
    social media voters will not need to watch tv to learn about this.  i doubt there is a person in Montana who has not by now heard about this.

    the dem could still lose but it was very very close before this.


    unfortunately (none / 0) (#139)
    by mm on Thu May 25, 2017 at 08:37:58 AM EST
    I heard that close to 70% of the votes had already been cast, mailed in, etc.

    Yes (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:03:33 AM EST
    On the other hand there is a lot of punditry this morning saying if the republican wins after what just happened it could be worse for the party than if he loses.

    First, if he wins it will almost certainly be very close.  A pattern that is not good.  Especially with the GA election next month with the dem ahead.  Plus, if he wins there is going to be weeks of making republicans give an opinion of both him and the incident as well as a discussion of the possibility of either not seating him or punishing in some way.

    As for me, I want the dem to win.  And hopeless optimist I am, I think he just might.


    Close only counts (none / 0) (#146)
    by Chuck0 on Thu May 25, 2017 at 10:24:09 AM EST
    in hand grenades and horseshoes. A win is a win no matter how close. A Democrat coming "close" to winning is a loss. Democrats need to win not come close.

    I would say (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 10:29:22 AM EST
    Close counts in hand grenades horseshoes and republican districts Trump won by 20 points.  IMO you are mistaken if you think republicans will not be spooked by a close win in Montana.  Btw followed by a loss in GA next month.

    That said, sure, we need to win.  


    Ftr (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 10:36:15 AM EST
    Paulie Ryan just said he would "let the voters decide" when asked if he would seat him.  

    I doubt that is the last time he will have the opportunity to expound on that.


    The (none / 0) (#149)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 25, 2017 at 11:05:59 AM EST
    ugly American in my younger day that would have least gotten a stiff elbow in return, some of my more rowdy friends would have answered with a punch to the face, no questions asked. The man is a boor to say the least.

    Amurka furst (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 03:40:43 PM EST

    Playmate senteced to 3 years probation (none / 0) (#154)
    by McBain on Thu May 25, 2017 at 01:52:31 PM EST
    In body shaming case.  
    Dani Mathers, 30, was sentenced to three years' probation and ordered to complete 30 hours of graffiti removal service. If the case had gone to trial, the model could have faced up to six months in jail.
    The 2015 Playmate of the Year was criticized for "body shaming" the 71-year-old woman after secretly snapping the photo in the locker room of a Los Angeles area gym last July. Mathers posted it on Snapchat along with the text: "If I can't unsee this then you can't either." She also posted a selfie covering her mouth.

    3 years probation seems a little harsh. Anyone know how others have been punished for similar offenses?

    Why do you believe her sentence to be harsh? (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 25, 2017 at 02:41:43 PM EST
    What Dani Mathers did to that poor woman was both deliberately cruel and horribly grotesque, and that point should not be minimized. While her stated intent was not to hurt anyone but to simply be funny, that's completely irrelevant. She did in fact hurt someone, and it wasn't funny.

    She pleaded no contest and is not going to jail. She has to perform 30 hours of community service and she has to keep her nose clean for 36 months. Really, how arduous is that?

    Further, she could be subject to civil action and be held financially accountable for any and all costs incurred by the victim in getting that photo removed from public circulation in the internet and social media.

    The judge sentenced Mathers accordingly to teach her and everyone like her a lesson which hopefully won't soon be forgotten by her or anyone else. One day, Miss Schittforbrains will be 71 years old herself, and she ought to have every expectation that 2058's Pethouse Plaything of the Year won't be treating her in the same thoughtless and publicly humiliating manner that she once treated her own victim.



    Dear Bunny (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by MKS on Thu May 25, 2017 at 02:56:50 PM EST
    When you are 70, and you will be if you are lucky, let's see how you feel about someone taking a photo of your body and making fun of it.

    Cheetomania strikes again:  This is what it means to shun "political correctness' and speak one's mind.  


    To speak ones mind one must have a... (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 03:37:14 PM EST
    Anyway.  That comment reminded me of a quote that is put in the mouth of George Washington in  teaser for the amc series TURN that is returning soon for its final season.   About revolutionary war spies. It's really quite good.  Anyway the quote goes something like "one can not speak truth to power when power has no use for truth"

    Somehow I doubt that accidentally got in there for the new season


    What I'm glad I'll never have (none / 0) (#170)
    by jondee on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:13:25 PM EST
    to "unsee" is the sight of Miss Bunny Lebowski Mathers being pawed by a withered 90 year old satyr in a silk kimino.

    Never saw it (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:20:55 PM EST
    But I'm not even happy about the mental image

    I don't like punishment to send a message (none / 0) (#156)
    by McBain on Thu May 25, 2017 at 02:50:22 PM EST
    to others.  The community service is fine, maybe she should do even more.  I have no problem with a civil lawsuit.... I see this as more of a civil case than criminal.   I think 3 years probation is a bit much.  

    Are there any precedents for this sort of thing?


    Judges send messages via punishment every day. (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Chuck0 on Thu May 25, 2017 at 04:10:44 PM EST
    What on earth are you talking about? Why do you think Bernie Madoff was sentenced to 150 years? He will never actually serve that sentence. It was message to others.

    Of course they do (none / 0) (#162)
    by McBain on Thu May 25, 2017 at 04:35:02 PM EST
    and that doesn't make it right.  The punishment should fit the crime.  

    So you you think it's (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by jondee on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:07:35 PM EST
    no big whoop that those humiliating photos could be circulating around for the rest of that woman's life?

    I think the victim has a good civil case (none / 0) (#186)
    by McBain on Thu May 25, 2017 at 10:53:23 PM EST
    and the playmate should face some kind of minor criminal consequences.  

    You're offering a declarative statement here merely for its own sake, without even bothering to try to explain yourself. Seriously, what would you have done, were you the presiding judge sentencing Dani Mathers, who had pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge that carried a potential punishment of six months in jail?

    Personally, I think she should count herself lucky, because there's a measure that passed Third Reading unanimously two days ago in the California State Senate and is presently awaiting First Reading in the State Assembly, SB 784, which would significantly increase the punishment for such an offense to include a $1,000 fine. In fact, Mathers was apparently the primary inspiration and catalyst for the measure having even been introduced this session by in the first place.

    Again, Mathers received 30 hours of community service and 36 months of probation. Why is this is too onerous a burden for her to bear, given her offense to which she pleaded no contest? Do you believe that she's simply too beautiful to be required to make a monthly personal appearance at L.A. County's Probation Dept. offices? Are you thinking that she'll prove too much of a distraction for her fellow members of the graffiti removal detail?

    What exactly are you thinking here? ;-D


    Between condoning capital punishment (none / 0) (#182)
    by jondee on Thu May 25, 2017 at 06:31:55 PM EST
    for non-cooperation with the police, and a relative cavalier attitude toward voyuerism, exploitation, and harrasment of the most vulnerable, one would think a guy settle on a better happy medium.

    Circumstances (none / 0) (#192)
    by Lora on Fri May 26, 2017 at 03:11:04 PM EST
    LA City Attorney Mike Feuer, as reported by NPR:

    While body-shaming, in itself, is not a crime, there are circumstances in which invading one's privacy to accomplish it can be. And we shouldn't tolerate that.

    Peter question? (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 04:06:33 PM EST
    Or whoever knows,  based on eyewitness accounts this guy in Montana grabbed the reporter around the neck with both hands, threw him to the ground and started punching him.

    And he was charged with misdemeanor assault.

    The question is what would constitute felony assault?

    Cap'n, here's a detailed explanation of ... (none / 0) (#163)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 25, 2017 at 04:51:30 PM EST
    ... the difference between misdemeanor and felony assault, courtesy of the Blanch Law Firm of New York, NY. LINK.

    And speaking of eyewitness accounts, kudos to Fox News reporter Alicia Acuna, whose own first-person account of yesterday's assault not only blamed GOP House candidate Greg Gianforte for the physical altercation, but also left me with the impression that victim Ben Jacobs had perhaps underplayed the seriousness of what actually went down:

    "At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, 'I'm sick and tired of this!'

    "Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken. He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names. In shock, we did not answer. Jacobs then said he wanted the police called and went to leave. Gianforte looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized. At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who was now present, that we needed a moment. The men then left.

    "To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte, who left the area after giving statements to local sheriff's deputies. As for myself and my crew, we are cooperating with local authorities." (Emphasis is mine.)

    And finally, brickbats, boos and hisses to both Fox News' prime-time lineup of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson and the hosts of its morning show "Fox & Friends," who all somehow saw fit to ignore the eyewitness account of the Gianforte incident as provided by Ms. Acuna, their network's own reporter.

    What can I say? Shills just gotta shill.  


    Thanks (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 04:59:12 PM EST
    The rights response has been pretty horrifying

    I saw one jackass doing "yeah, well what about occupy wall street"

    GOP - Defining Deviancy Down for more that a century.


    I (none / 0) (#164)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 25, 2017 at 04:56:05 PM EST
    would hazard a guess that assault is in the eye of the beholder, so to speak.  The Sheriff who charged him is Republican and reportedly donated to the bully so I imagine the bar was set a wee bit higher than for some "other" type of citizen, wink, wink.

    IOKIYAR, without the audio and the eyewitnesses reports and massive publicity it's not out of the realm of possibility Jacobs gets charged with something.....it's how fascists roll.


    Well (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:01:40 PM EST
    By the link DfH just posted it seems more or less reasonable.   One thing it did say is even the lesser is a very serious charge that could result in jail even without priors

    Not that I think (none / 0) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:04:24 PM EST
    This will result in jail.

    He (none / 0) (#169)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:11:51 PM EST
    will plead down to hunting liberals without a tag....it's how they roll.

    I think a lot might depend (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:19:15 PM EST
    On who wins today.  If he wins this vile strategy of putting a bald faced lie as a "statement" and then disappearing until the polls close will be called "smart crisis management"

    If he loses it would not surprise me if there is a flood of republican office holders who suddenly FINALLY hear the recording or the reporters account and become shocked SHOCKED and HORRIFIED at his loutish behaviour.


    Another question (none / 0) (#173)
    by MKS on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:22:24 PM EST
    Who will represent the reporter in a civil lawsuit against Mr. Billionaire body slam man?

    Money.  Money.  Money, honey.


    Damages for medical expenses (none / 0) (#174)
    by MKS on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:23:13 PM EST
    emotional distress and punitive damages.....

    This could actually get Gianforte (none / 0) (#175)
    by jondee on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:30:43 PM EST
    More votes from the angry white sagebrush rebellion crowd.

    They're fed up with public lands, lazy no-good indians, and liberal troublemaker reporters..

    That assault might've even been planned. I noticed one of Gianforte's flunkies tried to provoke an incident with another Guardian reporter earlier, when he got in the East Indian-looking reporter's face and told him he "didn't look British."

    Could be (none / 0) (#176)
    by MKS on Thu May 25, 2017 at 05:44:41 PM EST
    But Montana has a lot of transplants looking to live in the great outdoors:  Green Acres West.

    Gianforte himself is from New Jersey.


    True, but the egregious Cheeto (none / 0) (#177)
    by jondee on Thu May 25, 2017 at 06:04:12 PM EST
    still carried Montana by 20 percentage points.

    But Gianforte also lost last November's ... (none / 0) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 25, 2017 at 06:09:24 PM EST
    ... MT gubernatorial election to the Democrat, so go figure. Montanans aren't nearly as red state as some would believe them to be. They'll split tickets.

    Reported (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 06:04:25 PM EST
    They have raised hundreds of thousands since last night

    It's officially JARED (none / 0) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 06:06:28 PM EST
    Turn on your tv

    Sorry I just put this in the wrong thread

    Montana (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:22:02 PM EST
    If that doesn't work (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:25:30 PM EST
    try this

    And click special elections results


    Per msnbc (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 25, 2017 at 09:59:37 PM EST
    30-40% of the vote in and Quist has a very small lead!

    The lead didn't hold. (none / 0) (#187)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 26, 2017 at 04:22:35 AM EST
    Gianforte was elected. One of the hazards of early voting is a late-breaking development like yesterday's. If you'd already cast your ballot, it's too late to change your mind.

    yep (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 26, 2017 at 07:52:04 AM EST
    now he becomes one more target for the wave of 2018.

    RIP, Gregg Allman (1947-2017). (none / 0) (#194)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 27, 2017 at 03:05:29 PM EST
    He was one of the country's most soulful rockers, and one of my favorites. He will be missed.