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Donald Trump Signs New Travel Ban

Donald Trump has signed a new executive order banning people from six countries from getting visas for 90 days. (Iraq was omitted.) You can read the order here. Trump also issued a Memorandum for the Secretary of State on how it is to be implemented, which you can read here.

Also, according to the Washington Post article linked above:

the nation’s refu­gee program will be suspended for 120 days, and it will not accept more than 50,000 refugees in a year, down from the 110,000 cap set by the Obama administration.

A few other exceptions were included: [More...]

for travelers from those countries who are legal permanent residents of the United States, dual nationals who use a passport from another country and those who have been granted asylum or refu­gee status. Anyone who holds a visa now should be able to get into the country without any problems, though those whose visas expire will have to reapply, officials said.

Is it still a Muslim ban? Yes, says AILA, (American Immigration Lawyers Association) in the WAPO article:

“In its oral argument before the 9th Circuit, the government was unable to provide any evidence to the 9th Circuit that acts of terrorism had been committed by the nationals of seven countries initially designated. That was an embarrassment, but now weeks later, in these preliminary fact sheets, they still have not explained why people from these countries pose risk to America’s national security.”

AILA has an excellent resource page here. Here's their "Fact Sheet" on today's ban.

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    Given how the new order is worded, in contrast (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 06, 2017 at 12:09:51 PM EST
    with the January order, implementation will mostly occur overseas, in the denial of visas, rather than at U.S. airports and other ports of entry. Also, it has an effective date on 3/16/17, ten days hence. As a result, travelers will not be stranded or turned around in mid-itinerary. These changes (and perhaps others I didn't notice on a first skim-through) will make both legal challenges and popular U.S. resistance much more difficult to mount.

    Effective date, March 16. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by KeysDan on Mon Mar 06, 2017 at 01:22:05 PM EST
    But, Trump said in the last go around, if announced in advance, "the bad dudes would rush in."  New and improved plan: to phase in the bad dudes.

    If the U S starts with visa bans (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by fishcamp on Mon Mar 06, 2017 at 02:11:05 PM EST
    for countries like France, who has many brown skinned citizens from Maghreb, France will make US citizens obtain visas to visit their country's around. The world.  This event will make a simple visit to Paris a time consuming nightmare.  We did it to Brazil so they did it to us.  Going to the Brazilian embassy is no fun.  It wasn't bad in Chile, it was horrible in L A and Miami.

    Getting an entry visa for Brazil is a ... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Mar 06, 2017 at 09:22:20 PM EST
    ... pain in the a$$. The L.A. consulate is the worst. And on top of it, they charge you $160 apiece.

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    Across the street from the Brazilian Embassy (none / 0) (#8)
    by fishcamp on Tue Mar 07, 2017 at 07:51:10 AM EST
    in L A you can visit the famous La Brea tar pit, which is interesting, and not far down the street is the famous Fatburger restaurant.  Both could be skipped.

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    Try getting visas to most countries including (none / 0) (#9)
    by vml68 on Tue Mar 07, 2017 at 06:04:14 PM EST
    the U.S. when you are a citizen of a third world country and you will quickly learn what 'hassle' really means.

    Spoiled Americans ;-)!

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    Yup, and other countries will follow too (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 06, 2017 at 11:26:21 PM EST
    So that vacation where we just drove around France, Germany, Poland, and the Czech Republic....just forget about being all meandering and joyful ever again.

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    European Union (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 07, 2017 at 12:54:33 AM EST
    is already considering a change to require that U.S. travelers get visas to travel to EU countries.

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    Excellent analysis of the bogus (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 06, 2017 at 09:58:56 PM EST
    "factual" claims that are inserted into new Executive Order, in an attempt to inoculate it from judicial invalidation on due process grounds, as revealed by the always astute Dahlia Lithwick.

    The State of Hawa'ii, bless their little hearts (none / 0) (#13)
    by Peter G on Wed Mar 08, 2017 at 01:37:14 PM EST
    has already filed suit against the new Exec Order. The state is represented by former U.S. (Obama admin.) Solicitor General (and law prof and D.C. law firm hotshot) Neal Katyal. It is a tougher case than last month, but not hopeless by any means. I do tend to think the new order is different enough from the old one to cause the previously-filed cases (Seattle & Ninth Cir, for example) to be dismissed as moot.

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    Hawaii has long been a civil rights bastion. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 08, 2017 at 10:29:27 PM EST
    Article I, Section 5 of our State Constitution, which provides that "no person shall be denied the enjoyment of civil rights or be discriminated against in the exercise thereof because of race, religion, sex or ancestry[,]" was ratified by the then-Territory's voters 14 years prior to the passage of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Hawaii was also the first state to legalize a woman's right to reproductive freedom (1970), and the first to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment (1972). While that amendment failed to gain a sufficient number of states to be ratified nationally, its text was adopted as an amendment to the State Constitution by island voters in 1974.

    Hawaii Congresswoman Patsy Mink was primary author of the Educational Amendments of 1972, which are better known today as Title IX, the legislation which shattered the glass ceiling in educational opportunities for women across the country.

    Hawaii was the first state -- and until Massachusetts 32 yeas later, the only one -- to reform its health care system and achieve near-universal coverage with the Pre-Paid Health Care Act of 1974. Planning for that effort actually first began back in 1967.

    I wouldn't underestimate our state's heart or determination here. Trump received less than 30% of the vote last November, and he and his administration are so widely despised that two GOP female state legislators bucked their party and assumed prominent roles in the local version of the nationwide Women's March on January 21, an act which has since drawn them both censure by the RNC.

    U.S. District Judge Derrick K. Watson in Honolulu agreed yesterday to allow Hawaii Attorney General Douglas Chin to amend the State's original lawsuit -- filed at the time of the original ban -- in order to challenge the new order. He scheduled a hearing for March 15 at 10:30 a.m. Hawaii time (3:30 p.m. EST) to hear oral arguments on the matter, which sets the stage for an initial ruling a day before the travel ban is set to take effect.

    Aloha.

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    cant the (none / 0) (#14)
    by linea on Wed Mar 08, 2017 at 08:58:29 PM EST
    administration simply issue a series of increasingly restrictive visa requirements that effectively mean no one from these "countries of concern" would qualify?

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    Hawaii will challenge the revised travel ban. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 08, 2017 at 01:17:50 AM EST
    State attorneys will amend the original lawsuit against the first ban, and file a motion for a temporary restraining order tomorrow (March 8) at U.S. District Court in Honolulu.

    Honolulu Civil Beat | March 7, 2017
    Hawaii Plans to Sue Trump (Again) - "Hawaii is poised to challenge President Donald Trump's new executive order on immigration as early as Wednesday -- more than a week before the travel ban is set to take effect. In a court filing on Tuesday, the Hawaii Department of the Attorney General said it intends to amend the state's ongoing lawsuit against the original travel ban to challenge the new order, which was issued Monday and set to take effect in nine days."

    Neal Katyal, who'll be arguing the case for State AG Douglas Chin, sounds very confident.

    Aloha.

    And now Washington State says (none / 0) (#16)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 09, 2017 at 05:35:18 PM EST
    it will try to keep its case alive -- and the injunction in place -- as applied to the new Order.

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    Go go go (none / 0) (#11)
    by acemiforum on Wed Mar 08, 2017 at 05:21:27 AM EST
    Going to the Brazilian embassy is no fun.  It wasn't bad in Chile, it was horrible in L A and Miami.

    https://www.acemiforum.com

    site violator (none / 0) (#12)
    by fishcamp on Wed Mar 08, 2017 at 08:37:17 AM EST