Trump Threatens GOP on Health Care Bill

Trump issues an ultimatum to Republicans on his health care bill: Take it or I'll move on.

Republicans should tell him to move on.

The move was a high-risk gamble for the president and speaker, who have both invested significant political capital in passing legislation that would rewrite the 2010 Affordable Care Act. For Trump, who campaigned as a skilled dealmaker capable of forging a good deal on behalf of Americans, it could either vindicate or undercut one of his signature claims. If the measure fails, it would mean that Obamacare — something that congressional Republicans have railed against for seven years — would remain in place.


I don't really have time for more Trump tonight, so I'll end with the Stones from 1964:

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    if MoveOn.Org did not exist (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 08:50:06 PM EST
    it would now have to be invented.  

    Laughing at this "ultimatum" (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 08:41:37 PM EST
    He'll move on? Like he has been so much help in the process so far? They'd be better off without him.

    Will he refuse to sign a bill (none / 0) (#3)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 08:50:33 PM EST
    if it comes next week? He is just such a blowhard bully I can't deal with it.

    wheres the big wheeler dealer (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 08:55:18 PM EST
    we heard so much about.  

    you can just see him sniffing "i'm tired of negotiating."  

    he will probably move the court, um, i mean the White House to FL in a royal snit.


    Threats are his only tactic (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 11:44:46 AM EST
    especially when he knows NOHING about the topic of health care.

    as someone said, he is a 37% approval pres, pushing a 17% approval bill....who is afraid of him? and why? scary to think.


    Sitting (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:15:53 PM EST
    in that truck and blowing the horn was just cringe worthy. I basically ignore whatever he says because it's just nonsense anyway.

    Don't care what Trump or Repubs do (none / 0) (#5)
    by Green26 on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 08:57:58 PM EST
    but ObamaCare is failing and will fail soon if Congress does nothing.

    To me, it's mostly politics at this point. Repubs and Trump in power.

    Surprised that Rebubs don't have a decent plan. After all of their complaining, just assumed they had a plan or two. Interesting to see them squirm and fumble.

    Republicans (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:10:38 PM EST
    don't understand policy. They've had 7 years to write a bill and could not do it. The nature of conservatism is about being against something. Well that works when you are in the minority but it's nothing short of a disaster when it comes to actually governing.

    Ahhh, yes ... (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Yman on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:12:35 PM EST
    That favorite Republican talking point of "Obamacare is failing!".  Not quite as dramatic sounding as "Death spiral!" or the classic "Death panels!",

    ... but it's just as false.

    Obamacare isn't failing despite Trump claims, congressional budget experts say.

    AP FACT CHECK: Despite woes Obamacare not in 'death spiral'


    Yes, the "failing" part (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 11:42:08 AM EST
    describes the Republican's scam analysis--caught red-handed by the CBO.  The number of people without health insurance will increase by 24 million by 2026-- increase beyond the present failing ACA.  Taxes on the richest of them all will be cut, right away. while Medicaid will be cut and capped for the poorest.

     Kaiser states that the markets will be stable with ACA, competition in health care markets does not have the meaning ascribed to other areas of the economy. ACA suffers from the Republicans obstruction over the past seven years. No opportunity to change/improve based on evaluations and experiences.  After all, no one knew how complicated health care is, other than all but one.

      Given Trump/Ryan's hit on health insurance with the new and improved replacement (put in quotation marks), the country will be better off with just a repeal (no replacement , thank you very much)--at least Medicaid would not be so drastically cut, although revenues from ACA will not be available to shore up Medicare.

      For those who thought insurance companies were the victors in ACA, you haven't seen nothing yet. Without standards or regulations, watch for Trump University-like insurance companies sprouting up faster than sub-prime lenders of yore.  Pitching economic premiums that cover the common cold, and little else.  Consumers were protected, to an extent, by bad bankers with FDIC. But, with Trump care you can put your trust in Trump.


    Republicans (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:18:35 PM EST
    think if you repeat a lie over and over you can turn it into a truth. It's really tiresome. The other day a Republican told me that the GOP passed civil rights legislation. I laughed in his face and told him there's no way the GOP could have passed that legislation because the democrats controlled the house, the senate and the presidency when it passed.

    The way I'd put it is... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 11:02:45 AM EST
    the ACA was a finger in the dyke of a failing healthcare delivery system.  A band aid on a gaping wound.

    It's not that the ACA is "failing", it had no chance to fully succeed.  

    Or perhaps "failing" isn't the right word...insufficient healthcare delivery?  Illogical?  


    Agreed (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by ruffian on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 11:40:35 AM EST
    It always was at best a good stopgap on the road to single payer.

    If the premise is that we still have to have insurance companies, than it is possibly the best that can be done, given needed tweaking. Certainly better than the GOP mess.


    Hopefully, Medicare for all (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 04:05:07 PM EST
    But I think it will be a difficult road in between.

    Yes (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 03:30:19 PM EST
    Ah, the art (none / 0) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:05:42 PM EST
    ...of the deal.

    I may not know anything about art, but I knew that this is neither artistic nor a deal.

    This is a guy whose M.O. has always been my way or the highway.  Actual negotiation is not in his playbook.

    a guy who says (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:18:37 PM EST
    "I may have the credibility of a dung beetle but I'm president and you are not", in a cover interview with TIME and is totally not kidding...

    i really dont know how to finish that.  never mind.


    Ooooo (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Thu Mar 23, 2017 at 09:23:01 PM EST
    years ago I remember Merv Griffin, of all people, talking about Trump being massively overrated as a negotiator.

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 06:14:55 AM EST
    a cross dressing one

    SITE VIOLATOR! (none / 0) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 09:27:20 AM EST

    Anybody else have the sudden urge... (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 11:06:43 AM EST
    to rent a yacht in Dubai after a nose job in Dubai?

    If it gets any hotter there (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 11:39:25 AM EST
    in the next few years, they're going to have to develope a new type of surgery to create more body openings for cooling purposes.

    How about a Boston whaler (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 24, 2017 at 12:11:03 PM EST
    in Lake Pontchartrain?