Pres. Pena Nieto Meets With Returning Deportees, Offers Help

President Peña Nieto went to the airport Tuesday to meet with a bunch of people being deported from the U.S. He met with them in a private room for around an hour, an assured them they would be provided jobs and assistance to rebuild their lives.

...They are not alone, do not feel abandoned, the doors of this house will always be open," Peña Nieto told the group of deportees, according to the press release sent by the Mexican Presidency.

Wish we had a man in charge who felt that way.

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    Guadalupe García de Rayos, 35 and ... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 03:19:14 PM EST
    ... the mother of two young children who are U.S. citizens, was brought to the United States from Mexico at age 13 by her parents. After nearly 22 years, she was seized yesterday at her home in Phoenix, AZ and deported today back to a country she's otherwise not been to or known since childhood.

    This is inhumane, cruel and heartless.

    I agree. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Green26 on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 05:12:33 PM EST
    These stories are awful and heart-wrenching.

    Our firm helped a 4 year Somali get approved to get out of a refugee camp in Uganda. Her mom and 2 sisters have been in the US for several years. The executive order had stopped her from coming, after working to get approval for 3 years. WaPost did a story on the situation recently.

    Trump is a despicable person, and oh so dangerous.


    This is so sad. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 06:59:49 PM EST
    What about her children? They are American citizens and I would say we are going to see more and more families torn apart by this.

    She committed a crime (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 10:50:46 PM EST
    García de Rayos was known to immigration authorities already. She had checked in yearly with the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement office after she was caught and convicted for using a fake Social Security number during a raid at a water park where she worked. (That raid was ordered by former Sheriff Joe Arpaio.)

    Do you also think US citizens convicted of identity theft should be set free?


    C'mon Jimbo... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 09:19:32 AM EST
    she wasn't out getting credit cards in somebody else's name...she put a stupid 10 digit number down on a stupid form so she could work and provide for herself and her family.

    That kinda "don't take a lack of a ten digit number for an answer" work ethic is what makes America great.  And allowed her to pay federal income taxes & SS taxes with no ability to collect SS one day.  If there's a victim here, it's her.  And now she's been victimized and exploited again...and for what?  

    Shameful, cruel, embarrassing...and perhaps worst of all, totally f*cking pointless.  


    I beleive (none / 0) (#22)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 09:30:26 AM EST
    that  "shameful, cruel and embarrassing" is the point, at least the cruel part. These cretins are incapable of shame and  defiant in the face of embarrassment, but cruel is most definitely in their wheelhouse.

    Unfortunately any embarrassment that they do suffer (such as their latest court loss) will only force them to double down on the cruelty.    


    cruel and always obedient (none / 0) (#29)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:33:06 PM EST
    who in history does that remind you of?

    And, it meant (none / 0) (#25)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 12:26:12 PM EST
    she was subject to IRS withholding and paying taxes.

    This is in part why the argument that the undocumented don't pay taxes is false.


    She didn't steal anyone's identity. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 10:14:59 AM EST
    She used a fake Social Security number so she could get a job and provide for her family.

    But it's a win/win for you, isn't it? Not only do you get to cheer the fact that someone of Mexican descent was removed from the country, it provides you with further opportunity to b*tch and grumble about freeloaders when her kids are forced onto public assistance.

    Woo hoo!


    And even if (none / 0) (#24)
    by Towanda on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 11:56:36 AM EST
    it was, coincidentally, someone's SS number, what happens then? That person is credited with her SS taxes? I think not, as the IRS spots oddities, such as working fulltime in two states.  So, then she just funds SS for the rest of us.

    She never benefits, because the undocumented cannot collect on Social Security.


    Actually, using someone else's SSN (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 03:59:34 PM EST
    often really screws with that person.

    Camber Lybbert thought it was a mistake when her bank told her that her daughter's Social Security number, issued by the U.S. government, was on their files for two credit cards and two auto loans, with an outstanding balance of more than $25,000.

    Her daughter is 3 years old.

    For Lybbert and her husband, Tyson, the call was the beginning of a five- month scramble trying to clear up their daughter's credit history. As it turned out, an illegal immigrant, Jose Tinoco, was using their daughter's stolen Social Security number, not in pursuit of a financial crime, but in order to get a job.


    Like most victims of identity theft, the Lybberts did not lose any money in the long run, but Camber Lybbert estimated that for four or five months she spent 30 hours or more a week making telephone calls, feeling passed from one agency or voice-mail system to another: the Social Security Administration; the Utah attorney general; the three credit bureaus that issue credit ratings; and the police departments in two cities.


    In 2000, using data from the Social Security Administration, the Utah attorney general's office found that the Social Security numbers of 132,000 people in the state were being used by other people, far more than the state could prosecute.

    This use caused problems even when the person using the number led a financially responsible life, said Hamp, the assistant attorney general. "I've had families denied public assistance for their children or disability payments because records show somebody is working in their Social Security number," he said.

    Scott Smith, of Ogden, Utah, discovered that someone was using the Social Security number of his daughter, Bailey, when he applied for public health insurance for her.

    That account is contradictory (none / 0) (#31)
    by Towanda on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 12:13:33 AM EST
    isn't it?  First, yes, I certainly worry about identity theft, and this account is concerning . . . except that it doesn't make sense.  

    It states that the immigrant wasn't using it to commit a financial crime, only to get a job -- but then states that credit cards and auto loans were taken out.  

    Well, then, that is a financial crime -- but if not by the immigrant, then by whom?  His employer?


    Who cares about the reporting skills (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 11:22:22 AM EST
    of the journalist?

    Are you questioning whether having your SSN jacked and used by someone else can/will mess you up?


    What about the employer? (none / 0) (#12)
    by jmacWA on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:26:25 AM EST
    They certainly knew, or could have, that she was using a false identity, yet I bet she worked cheaper than someone with a real identity.

    If they used (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:56:00 AM EST
    E Verify, it would have been easy

    But you are correct, the hiring company should be penalized as well


    E verify (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 06:27:23 AM EST
    is something they pushed here in GA and it basically is a joke.

    It has not (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 06:41:28 AM EST
    Been implemented. Too many employers are worried to utilize it, might dry up some of their labor supply

    It was implemented (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 07:38:15 AM EST
    here in GA and it is basically a joke.

    E verify (none / 0) (#18)
    by jmacWA on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 08:40:29 AM EST
    This is exactly what I was alluding to.  Can you please point to something that shows E verify to be a joke?  It's use by employers is a joke, but if it were used to actually exclude the people who it would flag (unlikely, since they are almost ALWAYS the cheaper alternative) it would be a big help as far as I can see.

    Well here (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 01:50:11 PM EST
    in GA you don't even have to use it if you have 10 employees or less and it seems that if the SSN number comes back from E verify as having a problem then what? It's basically left up to the employer to do something.

    Here are some facts about E verify in GA.


    Where is the issue? (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jmacWA on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 06:23:22 AM EST
    Sounds to me like the issue is not with Everify, it's with the fact that Employers don't get punished for employing someone who should not be working.

    I have been reading this blog for around 15 years, and it is a rare occasion that I agree with the poker player, but I am with Jim 100% on this one.  

    The employer should have been in jail.

    On the other hand I see Kdog's point, and feel that most of the people using fake SSN's are simply trying to support their families, and do not deserve to be "locked-up".

    IF the employers start having to pay the price, then they will stop looking for the cheap labor, and will likely insist on a valid SSN in order to work, logic tells me that this would then start to stem the flow of people coming here without going through the proper channels.  Those being employed did not cause this situation, it's the companies hiring them that cause this.  

    <rant>In this I include H1B's, the enter tech industry (where I have worked since the 70's) is full of it when they say there are not enough talented workers so they need to go outside the country to find them.  Bottom line:  They simply do not want to pay the price of the US born IT worker.</rant>


    Maybe I should (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 08:22:31 AM EST
    qualify the statement to the fact that the E verify law here in GA is a joke. And if you read the link employers can easily get around this by using 1099's. In fact banning 1099's would probably be way more effective than E verify laws. If you made every employer pay taxes on their employees then fake SSN's would show up with the IRS and the IRS could mete out the punishment with fines to the employer.

    Stem the flow? (none / 0) (#37)
    by MKS on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 05:24:13 PM EST
    There is no flow.  

    Illegal immigration has been quite low for years.


    i agree (none / 0) (#38)
    by linea on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 05:53:08 PM EST
    In this I include H1B's, the enter tech industry (where I have worked since the 70's) is full of it when they say there are not enough talented workers so they need to go outside the country to find them.  Bottom line:  They simply do not want to pay the price of the US born IT worker.

    and i would add a rant on all the tech companies like microsoft, and all the rest, that operate with a skeleton-crew and only hire (pretense) "contractors" as full-time regular employees without benefits.


    Yes indeed (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 09:19:40 AM EST
    In fact the employer should have been in a cell next to her.

    And I have no doubt she worked cheaper.

    The deal is this. IF we shut down the border and gave green cards to those here who have not committed crimes, they could come out of the corners , join unions and demand better pay and working conditions.

    Labor is a commodity.

    It remains beyond my ability to understand why people who claim to want better things for undocumented people ignore the simplest and easiest way to do so.

    It leads me to believe they want more potential democrats.


    And for me to suspect (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:30:46 PM EST
    you're worried about more potential Democrats in the guise of actually caring, in reality, about the welfare of American workers.

    You who Always sides with the folks who are against unions and oppose raising the minimum wage, and who oppose workplace safety and environmental regulations.

    Seriously, who do think you're jivin', Rush?

    You're not talking to the no-info crowd that reads Tall Cotton.


    this is actually (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by linea on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 08:57:11 PM EST
    very reasonable.

    your response seems to be, "i dont believe you believe that. i feel you are being disengenuous."

    The deal is this. IF we shut down the border and gave green cards to those here who have not committed crimes, they could come out of the corners, join unions and demand better pay and working conditions.


    You can (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 05:49:51 AM EST
    actually handle this without tearing families apart.

    I feel so much safer (none / 0) (#19)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Feb 10, 2017 at 09:01:52 AM EST
    Knowing Guadalupe is no longer roaming the streets with her fake SSN. One day one can only hope there will be large popping sound wherever it is you live.

    Trump is just what the doctor ordered... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 07:22:49 AM EST
    for Pena Nieto's sagging approval south of the border.

    Sh:t world leaders all over can make a living standing in opposition to our so-called president and his party of docile eunuchs. Instant mandate...stick it to Pinche Naranja.

    What Trump (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 07:38:11 AM EST
    nor Bannon seem to understand is that things can go both ways. You want to smack an import tax on things coming in from Mexico? Well, nothing is stopping Mexico from doing the same.

    I agree about Pena Nieto. These days every leader looks tall compared to the man baby we have in the white house.

    That's good (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 09:14:45 AM EST
    They've been sent home and now they're going to be helped by the government.

    Perhaps if their government starts helping others still there there will be fewer trying to get into the US.

    If (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 09:23:45 AM EST
    Trump succeeds in his quest to turn this country into a dystopian hellhole there will definitely be fewer trying to come here.

    And many US-born citizens (none / 0) (#7)
    by Coral on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 12:01:27 PM EST
    trying to get out.

    You guys (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 09:56:58 AM EST
    don't believe in the government helping anyone and the GOP is going to prove it by turning Medicare into a coupon program and cutting social security.

    Correction... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 09, 2017 at 10:14:48 AM EST
    They've been sent to their birthplace, they were forcibly removed from their homes.

    So-called human DJT tweeted last night (none / 0) (#34)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 10:55:43 AM EST
    That he would bring the cost of the border wall WAY down. Considering his track record of not paying people who do work for him, I suppose this is possibility. Or he could always only use underpaid immigrant labor. Someone along the line of what they do in UAE. What a con man and fraud. The American people who voted for this clown are so gawd awful stupid, it's embarrassing to still live here.

    There has been (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 11, 2017 at 03:55:33 PM EST
    a joke going around that he is going to make a lot of Mexicans wealthy with his "border wall" because they are going to be the ones he is going to pay to build it more than likely.

    The whole thing has been a farce from beginning to end. At first he was screeching that Mexico was going to pay for it. Now that it's finally dawning on everybody that Mexico is NOT going to pay for it we are he's moving the goal posts to saying oh, it's not going to cost as much as the estimates. More than likely it is going to cost MORE than the estimates.


    Well, it is not the cost (none / 0) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Sun Feb 12, 2017 at 04:40:44 PM EST
    of the great wall, it is cost of the "big, beautiful door," that is the problem. Doors are expensive, and big beautiful ones, all the more so.