Oscars Time: "This is Not a Joke"

Update: Steve Harvey must be delighted he's not the only one to blow the announcement of a winner at an awards show. Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway just joined the club. They announced the wrong winner for Best Picture. How did it happen? According to a 2016 LA Times interview:

"In an undisclosed location, the partners tabulate votes and stuff two sets of winning envelopes, partly as another security measure and also to aid the show's flow. Stationed with their signature briefcases on opposite sides of the stage, either [PricewaterhouseCoopers partners, Brian] Cullinan or [Martha] Ruiz can dispense envelopes to presenters. At the end of the evening, each accountant will have given out about half of the envelopes.

Another version is here. That would mean the blame would lay with PriceWaterhouse, who dispense the envelopes and bring duplicates on purpose. Here's what I saw, watching it live and re-watching once: [More...]

Beatty and Faye Dunaway's envelope had the card for the winner of Best Actress, which Emma Stone had just won. Beatty knew something was wrong, but he didn't know what. So he gave the card to Dunaway who pronounced LaLa Land the winner of Best Picture.

Apparently, they didn't see the front of the envelope, which says the award they are holding is for Best Actress. Would reading glasses have helped?

Really, why didn't Beatty just say, hey, we have the wrong envelope? Who knows. Anyway, after all the LaLa Land people came to the stage, and several accepted the award in emotional speeches, someone told them they hadn't won. The head guy for LaLa Land told the audience, "This is a not a joke," in a tone reminiscent of "This is not a drill." He added "We didn't win. Moonlight won" and he held up the winning card showing Moonlight, with "Best Picture" in tiny letters at the bottom, to the camera and then he graciously walked the award over to the Moonlight head guy, who was standing right off to the side with their group.

Warren Beatty then took the microphone and wanted to tell people what happened. Jimmy Kimmel, said in a half joking tone, "Warren, what did you do?" Warren said his card read "Emma Stone, LaLa Land" which was why he stalled and looked at the audience and Faye a long time before handing her the card. He said he didn't do it to be funny. (He had just seen Emma Stone win for Best Actress -- why didn't he (and Dunaway) realize they had the wrong card? Did they not have reading glasses, which they probably needed to see the tiny print showing the name of the award under the larger name of the winner? An award card for Best Picture would not list only only one actor. And the front of their envelope said "Best Actress in a Leading Role.")

The stunned group from Moonlight then took the stage but the head guy was too flummoxed to give a speech, other than to say that during the past months while touring, they had become close with the LaLa Land group and the guy that walked the award over was a class act (which he was.) Then a woman from Moonlight spoke and he returned with another even shorter speech thanking the audience (and presumably viewers) for choosing Moonlight (of course, it wasn't viewers or the audience, but the Academy who chose Moonlight.)

Jimmy Kimmel, looking like he wanted to throw up, came back to the microphone and said, "I always knew somehow I'd screw this up."

I knew I would screw this show up, I really did. Thank you for watching. Iím back to work tomorrow night on my regular show. I promise Iíll never come back. Good night!Ē
Of course, Kimmel could not possibly have known there was a mix-up in the envelopes.

So here's the question: Who had the real winner envelope with Moonlight that made it's way to the head LaLa Land guy while they were still on stage accepting the award? Were Warren and Faye given a duplicate of the Best Actress envelope or the already opened envelope someone had put down backstage after Emma accepted her award?

Update: This article says it was the Price Waterhouse people who discovered the mistake while Beatty and Dunaway were onstage and that Emma Stone still had her envelope. That would mean there were two Best Actress envelopes and someone gave Beatty/Dunaway the duplicate.

In any event, Steve Harvey didn't suffer any permanent reputational damage, and either will Warren Beatty or Jimmy Kimmel.

One thing that struck me though was how many presenters seemed to be ad-libbing their remarks. Remember John Travolta at the Golden Globes who said he couldn't see the teleprompter, the writing was too small? I sensed a lot of that tonight. Either people were too vain to use eyeglasses, and forgot their lines, or they skipped the rehearsal and didn't realize how difficult it would be to see the prompter.

The Oscars have begun. Here's a thread to discuss them.

ACLU ribbons were a big hit -- many of the stars wore them.

Some red carpet photos that don't take too long to load. The OJ show won an Oscar (since when do Oscars give awards for TV shows? Since they are called "documentaries." To qualify, the 8 hour series aired in theater for a week in May.) (I didn't see it, I initially confused it with the American Crime Story show which I didn't care for.) The man who accepted the award left no doubt about the bias of the show -- with his shout-out to victims and the Brown and Goldman families. OJ may get out of prison this year. He won't be broke (he has his pension which creditors can't attach.) It's about time. He's done 9 years, more than enough for the crimes he was convicted of. (He's still not guilty of killing his ex-wife. The civil judgment doesn't erase the not guilty criminal verdict.)

Back to the Oscars (pretty boring so far.) (Added: But what an ending, see the update at top.)

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    I am so happy Viola Davis won. (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 09:13:50 PM EST
    She is a phenomenal actress, just amazing. And her portrayal of Rose in Fences was incredible.

    I read recently that Denzel has a deal with HBO to produce films of other August Wilson plays. Wilson is one of America's greatest playwrights, right up there with Tennessee Williams and Eugene O'Neill. That his work will reach a broader audience is all to the good.

    Okay, I'm logging off this TL thread ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 09:49:41 PM EST
    ... for the duration of Oscar night. The show airs out here in local prime time on a delayed basis due to the time difference, and doesn't begin for another 75 minutes. Thanks a lot, you guys!

    Actually, I figured that Viola Davis already had the Best Supporting Actress award in a headlock heading into tonight's ceremonies, so nothing spoiled.



    Whoa! I have never seen anything like (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:15:16 PM EST
    this at the Oscars. Stunning screw-up. Moonlight wins Best Picture, not La La Land.  La La Land people were so gracious as the Oscars were literally taken out of their hands and given to Moonlight people.

    OJ Documentary (none / 0) (#1)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 08:31:00 PM EST
    I did see it the other night.

    On the Defense side, it did bring out evidence about Mark Fuhrman beyond the F. Lee Bailey clip.   Fuhrman was a real mess.  And Marcia Clark hated him (or so she says now.)

    It also brought out that the Prosecution thought they were falling flat from the very beginning.  The Prosecution mock jury hated Marcia Clark.

    OJ documentary was at the bottom (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by caseyOR on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 08:34:08 PM EST
    of my list. I am surprised it won considering the competition.

    And I am so tired of OJ. Enough already.


    OJ made for TV (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 09:19:14 PM EST
    won over "I Am Not Your Negro"? Unbelievable.

    I got it confused with (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 08:35:59 PM EST
    the other OJ show that was serialized. I haven't seen this one.

    The OJ documentary was truly epic (none / 0) (#4)
    by McBain on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 08:49:47 PM EST
    I'm glad it won an Oscar. I thought you caught part of it and commented on how entertaining and articulate Carl Douglas was?  

    I agree with you that O.J. received a ridiculous sentence for the Las Vegas robbery. We shouldn't over charge/sentence people because of perceived injustices that might have occurred in the past.


    The Vegas judge (none / 0) (#6)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 09:11:02 PM EST
    was sipping on a big gulp on the bench when she announced the sentence.

    Armed robbery? (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 09:16:53 PM EST
    He pulled a gun. Ergo, armed robbery. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 10:01:14 PM EST
    Given the toxic cloud of bad karma surrounding O.J. at that point, I was hardly surprised by the Las Vegas verdict and sentence, nor am I at all sympathetic to his present plight. The guy's entire life story leaves a bad taste in my mouth. May Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman rest in peace.

    no he didn't pull a gun (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 01:06:37 AM EST
    His accomplice had the gun. The accomplice got a deal for testifying against him. He was prevented by the judge from cross-examining the accomplice about lying to the police and claiming to be in real estate, when he had also been a p*mp. He did know the accomplice had the gun as witnesses said he called the guy and told him to bring "heat." He was retrieving his personal items he believed the victims were unlawfully holding, not trying to steal the property of others. It was a crime, no doubt, but not a crime worthy of a 33 year sentence.

    He pulled a gun* (none / 0) (#35)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 10:21:08 AM EST
    *alternative fact

    CoralGables, (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by fishcamp on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:21:33 PM EST
    welcome back amigo, and where in the heck did you run away to?  Pun intended.

    Training for Boston (none / 0) (#44)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 08:31:58 PM EST
    which has me running all over the place.

    you are right (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 10:16:54 PM EST
    I did see it and liked it, especially Carl Douglas. I wrote about it here. I honestly didn't remember that.

    After all the stuff (none / 0) (#5)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 08:53:15 PM EST
    on Fuhrman that I had never heard, and violations of  evidence protocol, I could see how a downtown LA Superior Court jury could believe the LAPD planted the glove.

    I too was way over the OJ story, but this documentary was really quite good and placed it all in context.  I could not stop watching.  It brought new things.


    True (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 09:22:05 PM EST
    The OJ verdict is a perfect example of jury nullification for the sins of the police over the past years.

    He was lucky he wasn't tried in front of a jury of his peers.


    "OJ: Made in America" clocks in at ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 10:20:32 PM EST
    ... over 7 hours, Jeralyn. It was originally developed by the ESPN sports network as part of its acclaimed "30 for 30" sports documentary series, and yet was so well-received by film critics at its premiere that the producers decided to run it for two weeks in an L.A. movie theatre last fall, in order to qualify it for Academy Award consideration.

    It was a very deft move, in my opinion. "OJ: Made in America" is a riveting documentary and definitely worth watching, even if you're as tired and jaded from hearing about O.J. Simpson as I am. In my estimation, it's much superior to last year's Emmy-baiting melodocudrama.

    Fresh on the heels of their Oscar triumph, the folks at ESPN will no doubt be running it again over several nights in the very near future. Or, you can watch it at your leisure via ESPN's website.



    That has to be a first. (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:14:20 PM EST
    It is, at that. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:37:59 AM EST
    "OJ: Made in America" is far and away the longest Academy Award-winning film of any type in Oscar history.

    And no doubt, this will be a huge shot in the arm for ESPN, which has been a somewhat beleaguered network of late. But it's a well-deserved triumph, because the film's subject matter ultimately transcended the world of sports where the title character first got his big break, elevating "OJ: Made in America" into a broader study of race, gender, celebrity, wealth and power, and their individual and collective impact upon the human condition.

    "OJ" holds up both a mirror and a backlight to us, and the question it asks of us isn't necessarily whether we like what we see, but whether we can even see ourselves for what we truly are and have become.



    I am very surprised -- inspired by your comment (none / 0) (#43)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 08:17:07 PM EST
    to investigate this -- to see that Claude Lanzmann's 9.5-hour documentary masterpiece "Shoah" (1985) was not even nominated for an Oscar.

    "Shoah" was snubbed by Oscar voters ... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 10:37:55 PM EST
    ... even though it swept the awards at film festivals and other venues, such as the L.A. Film Critics Association. I can't even begin to fathom why, because it's a true masterpiece. But the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has a long and dubious history of overlooking and snubbing excellence in favor of other, often less altruistic considerations.

    Orson Welles' 1941 cinematic classic "Citizen Kane" - still considered the single best film ever made by many critics - got unceremoniously swept aside and shut out at the 1941 ceremonies in favor of a now-very dated "How Green Was My Valley," because Welles had angered publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst, who was obviously the thinly veiled inspiration for Welles' Charles Foster Kane. Rumor has it that Hearst bought the votes.

    Andy Griffith electrified audiences in the fall of 1957 as the terrifying right-wing talk show demagogue Larry "Lonesome" Rhodes in Elia Kazan's 1957 drama "A Face on the Crowd," which offered a surprisingly prescient view of the power of a cult of personality, and Americans' innate gullibility to political hucksterism.

    Although Griffith's performance is considered one of the very best of the 1950s, if not any other decade as well, he didn't even merit an Oscar nomination. Apparently, voters in Hollywood were still very angry at Kazan for naming names to the House Un-American Activities Committee the year prior. Nearly 60 years later, that controversial snub is still considered one of the most egregious oversights in Academy history.

    I don't know who was pissed off by "Shoah" but you can rest assured, that film stands in very good company.



    One of my favorites (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 12:30:16 PM EST
    that I mentioned previously, the Coen brother's Inside Llewyn Davis, was awarded the Grand Prix at the 2013 Cannes Film Festival, and afterwards received just two nominations, for cinematography and sound editing, at the Oscars; being beaten out in nominations by a couple that will stand the test of two months, Django Unchained and Argo.

    I think the Coens are (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 01:55:42 PM EST
    Making movies for the ages not for the Oscars. They, including ILD, will be watched and studied for hundreds of years.  Long after these others are forgotten.

    I also love that movie.  But it's so odd.  

    Talking below about beautiful women, seeing some of  Jessica Langes acceptance speech for her supporting oscar for Tootsie the other night reminded me how beautiful she was in that movie.  It's worth watching just for her.  

    There is a series starting soon on FX called FEUD -Bette & Joan that looks amazing.  With Lange as Joan and Susan Sarandon as Bette.  I can't wait.


    Llewyn Davis (none / 0) (#60)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 02:20:50 PM EST
    is almost one of those inside joke movies. I feel like I've known at least three or four Llewyns and at least one of each of the other main characters in my life. How could I not be a little taken with the movie?

    The subtext of Llewyn haunted by the death of his friend and continually trying to save that cat that kept popping up and then running away, I found very touching.

    Like one of those recurring dreams people have.

    But, as F Murray Abraham's Mitch Miller-like character says, "I don't see a lot of money in this."

    Hollywood doesn't quite know what to make of these moody tone-poem films in which what isn't said is as important as what is said.


    I think a lot of Coen (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 08:23:14 PM EST
    Brothers films are kind of like inside jokes. I family I am very close to that lives in MN and the first time I watched Fargo I howled. My husband hated that movie and later watched it again after being around the MN relatives and enjoyed the movie.

    MOONLIGHT! (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:20:07 PM EST
    im so glad it beat La La Land.   i was murmuring "not la la land not la la land not la la land..."

    Moonlight totally deserves to win. its awsum.

    Moonlight did deserve the win. (none / 0) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:22:37 PM EST
    Still, the weirdest thing I have ever seen at the Academy Awards.

    How could such a screw-up happen. Did price Waterhouse mess up with the envelopes?


    it was very strange (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:25:55 PM EST
    Yes, they did. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:03:22 AM EST
    The P/W folks mistakenly handed a copy of the Best Actress winner card, which read "Emma Stone - La La Land" to Warren Beatty, who first looked puzzled when he opened the envelope before handing it to Faye Dunaway, who then read it as a "La La Land" victory.

    I must say, "La La Land" producer Jordan Horowitz was a profile in graciousness during what had to be one of the most personally embarrassing moments of his entire life, and one which was certainly not his fault. There he is, standing before a worldwide TV audience and thanking everyone for the Academy Award, only to find out mid-speech that there was a huge mistake and he wasn't a winner after all.

    That was certainly a memorable moment.


    I'm not sure it was (none / 0) (#23)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:25:05 AM EST
    a Price Waterhouse mistake. How would it have been discovered in time? Why would someone else be holding an open envelope with "Moonlights" name?

    The real winning envelope must have been laying backstage, where someone saw it and realized it was unopened -- either a network employee backstage responsible for handing out the cards to the presenters as they took the stage gave them the wrong envelope and realized his or her mistake when he saw the unopened envelope while they were onstage, or he purposely gave them the wrong, already opened and discarded envelope (i.e., what happens to the envelope after the presenters leave the stage? They put it down backstage.) I can't recall if Beatty actually opened a closed envelope or lifted the flap of one that had already been opened. I'd have to watch again.

    So I don't think it's the accounting firm's mistake but either a backstage employee or Academy employee.


    (Sigh!) Now, if only they can find ... (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:59:11 AM EST
    ... the envelope with Hillary's name on the card.



    Point taken. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:51:54 AM EST
    Regardless, the wrong card somehow made its way into Mr. Beatty's hands. These awards shows are so meticulously choreographed that it's somewhat hard to fathom how this sort of error could have occurred. The question is really whose employees are responsible for the handling of the envelopes and award cards.

    How many hours do you think it will be before some Hollywood columnist brings up long-ago rumors about envelope/card-switching as an explanation for Marisa Tomei's unexpected 1992 win as Best Supporting Actress for "My Cousin Vinny"? (And for the record, no, Tomei's award wasn't a mistake and yes, she really deserved that Oscar.)



    Actually, now there are news reports (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 01:00:56 AM EST
    supporting what you said, but also that Emma still had her envelope. So I'm confused now, but I added an update to clarify a bit. Maybe the backstage employee ran up to PW with the unopened envelope when he or she realized it was still there, but if Emma was holding hers, then there was an extra one (one that Beatty/Dunaway had and the correct one) and that would seem to be sabotage -- which would have to be either an employee of PW or the Academy whoever printed the cards (rather than handed them out)

    So your comment may have been correct.


    See my comment below (#30). (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 01:23:09 AM EST

    UPDATE: Here's another possible explanation. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 01:22:21 AM EST
    It turns out that for each award category, there are actually TWO cards waiting for presenters in the wings, one placed on each side of the stage. So, that may explain how Warren Beatty was handed the envelope containing the card from the previous award.

    Further, according to the L.A. Times last year, handing out those award cards to the show's presenters is indeed the personal responsibility of two of Price-Waterhouse-Cooper's partners, Brian Cullinan and Martha Ruiz:

    "In an undisclosed location, the partners tabulate votes and stuff two sets of winning envelopes, partly as another security measure and also to aid the show's flow. Stationed with their signature briefcases on opposite sides of the stage, either Cullinan or Ruiz can dispense envelopes to presenters. At the end of the evening, each accountant will have given out about half of the envelopes." (Emphasis is mine.)

    So, unless their protocols have changed significantly from last year, this year's on-air mistake is likely on Price-Waterhouse-Cooper.



    we're reading the LA Times (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 01:59:04 AM EST
    at the same time. I just finished typing an update with that quote.
    Mystery solved!

    Great minds think alike. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 02:32:04 AM EST
    We shall not be thwarted in our quest for truth, and may the heavens have mercy on anyone who dares to stand in our way.



    The definitive explanation, (none / 0) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 04:23:08 PM EST
    from the President of the USA, via Breitbart " I think they were so focused on politics that they didn't get the act together at the end.  It was a little sad."   Guess he watched it, or called Flynn at 3 am to ask about it.

    I actually think it was sort of great (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 05:25:55 PM EST
    The La La Land people were awsum.  Just a reminder, WTF it's just an awards show.  It was sort of "real" in a very appealing and satisfying way.  

    Sh!t happens.  Everyone came off looking pretty good.  


    Jimmy Kimmel and his jokes were terrific (none / 0) (#42)
    by Green26 on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 05:35:05 PM EST
    in m view. Wasn't aware that he and Matt Damon have a feud going. Liked some of the twitter on Ryan Gosling's surprise date. Some of those dresses, or dresses for the after parties, were more than revealing. The only 2 best picture nominees I had seen, Hidden Figures and Lion, sure had compelling stories. I loved that John Glenn apparently did in fact ask for "the girl" to check the math of the new IBM computers, although not from the launch pad as in the movie.

    I read that the wrong winner was announced back in 1964 too, just not for best picture and not with such a huge audience.


    It's not so much a feud between ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 10:42:45 PM EST
    ... Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Damon, as it is a "feud."

    Thx, Donald (none / 0) (#50)
    by Green26 on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 02:24:01 AM EST
    I was suspicious during the show, but then I saw this, and went completely off track.

    "I was the one person who wasn't surprised that it all got screwed up. That's what they [get] for hiring Jimmy. You know, they got what they paid for." Damon.

    Childhood friends.


    If you get a chance, watch this clip ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 09:30:58 PM EST
    ... from Kimmel's show a few weeks back, in which he and his pregnant wife Molly are in the doctor's office where she's having an ultrasound, only Damon comes barging in to claim that that the child is really his:

    "You promised me you were going to stop f---ing my girlfriends!"

    "And I did! She's NOT your girlfriend."

    "She's my wife! That's worse! That's actually worse! Molly --"

    "This is between you guys, I really don't want to get into the middle of this."

    It's over the top, but pretty funny.


    Yes, they were very gracious. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 02:13:21 PM EST
    It's unfortunate that the Best Picture snafu at the end of the show overshadowed the fact that "La La Land" actually had quite an impressive night, picking up seven Oscars.

    UPDATE No. 2: Academy boots Cullinan, Ruiz. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 01, 2017 at 05:40:42 PM EST
    Brian Cullinan and Martha Ruiz, the two PricewaterhouseCooper (PwC) accountants who were responsible for the Best Picture debacle that overshadowed the Oscars telecast last Sunday night, "have been permanently removed from all film academy dealings," Academy president Cheryl Boone Isaacs announced Wednesday.

    that was a very good oscar show (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:25:23 PM EST
    Kimmel was great.  no annoying production numbers, almost.  totally above average,

    i wish Arrival had won more. imo it was the best movie of the year.  one of my FB friends won an oscar!  for Jungle Book.

    Yes, while we (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 08:33:10 AM EST
    can Bank on the Headlines being  all about Bonnie and Clyde, returning after 50 years, to steal the show, the real memories should be about Jimmy Kimmel and Moonlight.

    I'll never forget how shook up (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 01:34:49 PM EST
    my parents seemed after coming home from seeing Bonnie and Clyde.

    I really think the late, great Arthur Penn filmed that drawn-out savage ending as a way of throwing a war thousands of miles away into the faces of bourgeois-suburban America.

    The way some of early Greek tragedians would sometimes toss an actual human head into the audience..

    This is what it's really about, you complacent f*ckers!


    IMO (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 05:20:46 PM EST
    It's one of maybe the 10 best evah.

    For many reasons.


    Dunaway and Beatty were beautiful (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 01:09:29 AM EST
    Both of them.

    Dunaway in another role of the day, The Thomas Crown Affair.  Her uncomfortable co-star is Steve McQueen.  The singer over that scene is Beth Hart.

    Dunaway could have stopped hearts.  I know only one woman in real life as cinematically beautiful.  

    Waste some time listening to Beth Hart, Howdy.  It's worth it.  Her version of Strange Fruit is a wonder.    And she could show Steve Marriott a thing or two.  Check out her version of I Don't Need No Doctor.  


    The original Thomas Crown Affair is (none / 0) (#53)
    by caseyOR on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 11:08:45 AM EST
    one of my favorite movies. McQueen and Dunaway were both in top form. I love this movie.

    The remake with Rene Russo and Pierce Brosnan? Not so much.


    I think Faye's looks (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 12:39:46 PM EST
    made people forget what a good actress she was.

    Who could forget her in Chinatown, as well?

    The same is probably true of Beatty, to some extent.


    And then there was "Network." (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 01:51:39 PM EST
    Ms. Dunaway's high-octane turn as the overly ambitious but emotionally stunted programming director Diana Christensen won her a well-deserved Oscar for Best Actress in 1976. Diana was literally over the top -- driven, intense, hardcore, scheming, duplicitous, hilarious, high maintenance and ultimately, quite pathetic.

    Further, that particular Hollywood ending ... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 10:55:59 PM EST
    ... is actually grounded in historical fact. Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow were felled in a hail of bullets delivered from ambush by Texas Rangers in northern Louisiana on May 23, 1934. I believe that the couple's "death car" is still on display at Whiskey Pete's Casino and Resort in Primm, NV (30 miles south of Las Vegas).

    i thought (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 26, 2017 at 11:31:51 PM EST
    the tour bus thing was hilarious.

    Gosh wasn't that movie amazing? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 12:50:55 AM EST
    That's one I think I will own. It's silly to own movies you don't worship now. Just a disc to get scratched.

    These days (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 27, 2017 at 05:21:29 PM EST
    You can own it digitally.

    Because digital things break (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 02:05:48 AM EST
    Or go out of business.
    We still buy DVDs

    I had a big stack of DVDs that just went to our grandchildren as we move. I have your DVD ya know :)


    Just finished burning 20 DVD's (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 07:24:30 AM EST
    of four of my ski racing films from the 70's.  They will be shown to a packed crowd of 500+ people at the historic Wheeler Opera House in Aspen on March 15th.  It's the 50th anniversary of World Cup ski racing, with the men and womens final races.  There will be many activities around town, which translates into loud music.  I detest loud music these days.

    But anyway,  after the film showing there will be a question and answer period with my two partners from Fat City Films and my self on stage.  I'm terrified.  Never have I spoken to even a small group, let alone 500.  I predict the young ski racers will flee the building after the film, leaving many old timer ex ski racers from all over the world, whom I will know.  But still I'm nervous.


    GOOD LUCK (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by jmacWA on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 10:01:06 AM EST
    You will do fine, a subject matter expert is not supposed to be a phenomenal speaker.  Your audience will appreciate your insight, and not even hear the "uhms" and "ahs".

    You will do (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 01:17:26 PM EST
    just fine; it will be much easier than talking to those guys at the gym.  Your Aspen audience will listen and enjoy your life experiences, as we all do, here at TL.

    If you can handle all of us (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 06:25:51 PM EST
    You've got this cold. Have a great time. Look forward to new stories once you all get together.

    imagine them naked (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 07:10:29 PM EST
    it really does work

    fishcamp, you will be fine. (none / 0) (#65)
    by caseyOR on Tue Feb 28, 2017 at 10:33:58 PM EST
    Your comments here at TL are proof that you can tell a good story. And you always have such good stories to tell. Those skiers, young and old, will be hanging on your words.

    When you are answering a question just pretend that you are talking to us. Picture KeysDan or Howdy or kdog or MT or me. Then talk away.

    And, as someone mentioned, this will be much easier than taking on the Republicans at the gym. And you do find them.

    I can't wait for the stories you will bring back here from that experience.


    Thanks very much for the kind words (none / 0) (#66)
    by fishcamp on Wed Mar 01, 2017 at 07:05:04 AM EST
    of support.  My biggest worry now is the fact that it is zero degrees in Aspen this morning.  Guess it's up to the mall for some warm duds.  They also recalled my iPhone due to battery problems, and the nearest Apple store is 75 miles away up in South Miami at the mall.  Maybe they'll have the winter that never happened down here, clothes on sale.  Flip flops and shorts won't cut it, up in the old mining town, but I'm bringing them anyway.  

    Happy shopping (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 01, 2017 at 11:21:27 AM EST
    The world of winter gear has changed I discovered preparing for Christmas in Germany. Columbia has this coil thing scribbled on the inside of coats that seem more like fall jackets. I added a new thermal shirt which is impossibly lightweight and has wicking and Josh said I tried to roast him alive.