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    ... in Clark, NJ voted unanimously Friday night to forfeit their game and thus the remainder of their season, rather than comply with a league directive which ordered the school to remove the two girls who played on the team.

    Their coach had earlier refused to make that decision, even as officials informed him that the CYO had instructed them to refuse to take the court so long as the girls remained on the St. John's roster. And so the players' parents themselves on Friday night explained the situation bluntly to their kids, who then voted to defy the league -- whereupon the opposing team and the referees walked out of the gymnasium.

    It's certainly a tough lesson for a bunch of 10- and 11-year-old boys and girls to have to learn about the dubious adult penchants for sexism, ignorance and stupidity. But one has to proud of the selfless manner those kids displayed by taking a resolute stand on principle, which managed to correspondingly render those CYO officials who issued that inane order much diminished in moral stature.


    Despite the fragility of our republic, (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 02:47:03 AM EST
    please note that people in China have it worse. No twitter, Facebook, or google news. TalfkLeft passed the censors though.

    "Oculus in China" (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:26:34 AM EST
    I want a copy of the libretto.

    Ha. I'll suggest it to John Adams. (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 11:16:34 AM EST
    Why "Nixon in China" mattered to me... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 10:36:28 AM EST
    Before Nixon in China, to me opera had looked like little more than screeching, sturm und drang.  With Nixon came an alternative viewpoint, that of the portrayal of instants or milieus or eras in history.

    Have you seen Dr. Atomic? (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 01:05:11 PM EST
    Sounds cool. I will. Thank you. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 04:03:38 PM EST
    I have no Twitter, (none / 0) (#48)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 06:01:37 AM EST
    no facebook, no google account. Somehow I don't feel deprived. My sister lives in China, she doesn't feel deprived either.

    Maybe she has a work-around. (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 11:17:12 AM EST
    I'm all for Patraeus (2.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Green26 on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:22:56 PM EST
    Was terrific as a general. HIs giving of his notebook to his "mistress" and biograpther for a few days, with zero of the classified info being published or disclosed, was nothing compared to the carelessness and recklessness of Clinton. The guy is very smart, experienced and competent.

    Oh Jesus..STFU (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:51:24 PM EST
    He allowed code names of CIA agents out of his possession and sight. That's why he WAS found guilty of mishandling classified information.

    He is not better than Hillary. Only necessary thanks to voters like you. Thanks for trying to burn the phucking world down. Appreciate it greatly


    MT, voters like me who voted for Hillary (none / 0) (#64)
    by Green26 on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 10:19:47 AM EST
    caused this? Now, that's an interesting view.

    Looks like the two-year probation for the misdemeanor started on 4/23/15, so will end soon.

    I wonder if Trump will just pardon him. Clinton did that for Deutch, before he was even sentenced.

    Hillary's longtime lawyer David Kendall did a nice job for Petraeus.


    Sure, you voted for Hillary. (5.00 / 5) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 12:17:52 PM EST
    And I'm Vice President Mike Pence's secret gay boyfriend.

    Just like many of your posts (none / 0) (#74)
    by Green26 on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 12:43:28 PM EST
    Wrong again, on who I voted for. Won't comment on your other odd part of the comment.

    I suppose you think you went to Hawaii before I did too? Ha.


    I get it. Literally. (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Jack E Lope on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 01:01:53 PM EST
    Donald from Hawaii:
    Sure, you voted for Hillary.

    Wrong again, on who I voted for.

    Frankly, Green, I don't believe you. (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 04:15:46 PM EST
    For the record, I've been a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party for almost 30 years now, since June 1987, and also a state party official for over a decade.

    During that time, I've never before heard a member or supporter of our party disparage any of our presidential nominees during an general election campaign to the extreme degree that you have regarding Hillary Clinton, to the point where you more than once intimated that she was guilty of criminal activity and conspiracy, a spurious accusation which ultimately proved to be without foundation.

    So, based on the substantive content of a substantial number of your posts here, including your initial one in this very thread, no, I don't believe that your claim to have voted for Mrs. Clinton last November is truthful. And while I obviously speak for myself only, I also don't think that I'm the only one here who holds that opinion, likely for the very same reasons I've just described above.

    And if you placed your right hand on a Bible and swore an oath to the Lord that you're telling the truth, then it would indeed be a sad occasion for all of us, because I'm afraid that only the Good Lord above would likely believe you.

    We have a very serious national security problem confronting our country right now, thanks to the November result, and I've really no use for a Trump apologist like you. And that's exactly what you were doing, apologizing for Trump, when you deigned to insinuate that David Petraeus is more trustworthy than Mrs. Clinton.

    Have a nice day.


    Donald, do you really not understand what an (none / 0) (#93)
    by Green26 on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 11:00:02 PM EST
    Independent is? An independent is in the middle. Votes for Dems and Repubs. I have consistently said that I am an Independent. Voted for Hillary and supported her the whole time. Also criticized her for emails and a few other things. Have always disliked Trump, from knowing who he was in the 80's in business, and have never said a positive thing about him. Can't imagine I ever will.

    You, and some others, are so partisan and oblivious that you can't even see straight.

    Nice to see that you have shortened your long-winded posts. Glad Jeralyn pointed that out to you.

    Noticed that you don't seem to have challenged that I was in Hawaii long before you were.


    Green, what possible difference (5.00 / 3) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 07:47:37 AM EST
    could it make who was in Hawaii first, you or Donald?  BTW I first went to Hawaii in 1954 to surf, when did you first go?

    one year before i was born. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 10:39:17 AM EST
    you've definitely got me beat.

    Whoever Pence's boyfriend (none / 0) (#81)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 03:02:09 PM EST
    might be, they probably give new shades of meaning to the expression "the hole in the sheet".

    LOL! I honestly have no idea about ... (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 04:35:48 PM EST
    ... Pence's sexual preferences, nor do I frankly care. I would only note my own considered experience in both politics and life, in which I've observed that more often than not, overt homophobes and misogynists like Mike Pence tend to have some serious underlying and unresolved personal issues regarding their own sexual being.

    It's often as though they're overcompensating for something in their own lives, be it childhood abuse, an unrequited past love, an outright denial of one's own true sexual orientation or whatever. But that said, they should instead seek professional help, rather than run for public office to avenge themselves at the expense of the rest of us.



    Clearance would be needed (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Towanda on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:57:33 PM EST
    by Petraeus' probation officer.

    If that doesn't suggest how foolhardy is your praise. . . .


    snort...giggle.. chuckle (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 12:20:35 AM EST
    This is what we have come to ;)

    If Petraeus takes it, and I say he does if able because he's as terrified as the rest of us, does he transfer and get a new probation officer?


    There's another way of looking at it. (none / 0) (#58)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:19:41 AM EST
    Petraeus will be pre-screened by a probation officer.

    While most of Trump's administration will end up, unless I miss my guess, being post-screened by probation officers.


    Completely ignorant (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:02:47 AM EST
    statement and more Trump apologia.

    Petraeus was not (none / 0) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:31:42 AM EST
    just careless with classified information, he purposefully gave (and admitted in a plea deal) massive amounts of sensitive information to his mistress and biographer.

    He sought to cover up his deed by lying to FBI agents saying he did not take or have any materials (also according to the plea deal),  In August 2011, Petraeus delivered eight black books of classified and unclassified information of meetings, conferences, and briefings that he took as military commander, including notes from meetings with the president.

      He took the classified material and kept and reviewed it a a private home, which was not an approved site for storage--a double infraction.

     In fact, he stored the materials in a duffel bag in his closet. Petraeus knew the risk of divulging the classified information as revealed in a taped interview between him and his mistress. Petraeus kept the classified materials in unauthorized locations from August 2011 to April 2013.


    ... early this morning about racial and ethnic bigotry in this country, courtesy of the 24 / 7 babblethon that is our cable TV networks. (Sigh!) It was another frustrating 60 minutes wasted by our local public access station here on the Big Island, due to the inability and unwillingness of the panelists to grasp the obvious and point out the elephant in the room.

    When white working class folks finally realize that most all their anxieties are actually a primary consequence of the tremendous and still-increasing disparities in wealth by class, rather than the direct result of any supposedly disqualifying cultural differences between themselves and their socio-economic peers of color, we'll finally achieve a significant breakthrough and will be at last getting someplace.

    But until such time as that belated realization occurs en masse, those at the top of the socio-economic strata -- like Donald Trump -- will no doubt continue to both foster an aura of white male privilege and manufacture a climate of white fear and resentment, thus exploiting those cultural differences amongst the less affluent and impoverished of all races for the wealthiest 1%'s own selfish and often shortsighted material ends.

    Why is that particular argument so hard for us to publicly acknowledge? And why are we so threatened when someone offers it? (See "Sanders, Bernie" and "Jackson, Jesse.") Are we really that conditioned to act repeatedly in such non-thinking and knee-jerk fashion against our own economic self-interests? Or can we finally break that cycle and rise above our own artificial social constructs to honestly discuss these issues as they really are, and not as others might wish us to continue seeing them as somehow being?

    Just my thoughts on a wet, gray and gloomy day in Hilo. Aloha.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#13)
    by RickyJim on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 07:28:48 PM EST
    When white working class folks finally realize that most all their anxieties are actually a primary consequence of the tremendous and still-increasing disparities in wealth by class, rather than the direct result of any supposedly disqualifying cultural differences between themselves and their socio-economic peers of color, we'll finally achieve a significant breakthrough and will be at last getting someplace.

    Well, why wasn't that the primary focus of HRC's campaign?  Was she afraid that if she told America that the main economic problem is unequal wealth distribution and not that too many illegal immigrants and foreigners are taking their jobs and entitlements, she would lose her Wall Street support?


    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:26:33 PM EST
    "Economists have documented how the share of income and wealth going to those at the very top, not just the top 1 percent but the top 0.1 percent, the 0.01 percent of the population, has risen sharply over the last generation. Some are calling it a throwback to the Gilded Age of the robber barons."
    - Hillary Clinton, speech at New America Foundation (May 16, 2014)

    Funny, but I don't ever recall Hillary Clinton making an argument to voters that "too many illegal immigrants and foreigners are taking their jobs and entitlements."

    How did you arrive at that impression?


    She was about lifting (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 08:34:16 PM EST
    people up. Honestly though working the inequality angle is going to take a long, long time. It's not something that can be grasped by most voters.

    It is Easy to Show With Pictures (1.00 / 2) (#18)
    by RickyJim on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 08:53:35 PM EST
    Just google "wealth inequality".  It was very important to show that Trump's analysis of the economic woes of the nation was incorrect and she failed at that.  It would have worked better than her racial pandering.

    "Her racial pandering"? (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:29:27 PM EST
    Seriously, where do you guys come up with this stuff?

    I mean, was it Hillary Clinton who labeling Mexicans as "rapists" and "drug dealers"? Was she the one who called Miss Universe 1996, who is from Venezuela, "Miss Housekeeping"? Did she publicly impugn the professional integrity of a federal judge because of his Mexican heritage?

    Was Hillary ever sued in federal court for discriminating against prospective black tenants? Did she ever tell an employee that she preferred Jews to black people when it came to who was counting her money? (And don't get me started on Trump's birther crap.)

    It's not a good idea to believe your own campaign's bullschitt. You guys need to descend from the parallel universe in which you reside and partake in the real world, before said real world kicks you in the arse.



    I don't know what this (none / 0) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 02:08:22 PM EST
    is if it is not pandering.


    BTW - The speech was at a church which most likely had a predominately black member ship.

    501 c 3 anyone??


    2007? (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 02:13:28 PM EST
    must be a slow troll day.

    But your grasp of the language is slipping so much lately, I had to check the video to make sure it didn't have pandas in it.


    That 501(c)(3) remark is pretty funny (none / 0) (#92)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:01:45 PM EST
    coming from the camp that apparently thinks that a major issue facing American freedom is repeal of the "Johnson Amendment."

    "the johnson amendment" (none / 0) (#97)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 10:43:27 AM EST
    there was a youtube video about that, called:


    "keep your j** off my p**"



    News from the war on drugs (none / 0) (#3)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 01:54:21 PM EST
    and in other news (none / 0) (#4)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 02:00:08 PM EST
    The present conflict in Mexico between ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 05:29:39 PM EST
    ... the government and the drug cartels, aka the "Mexican Drug War," is in fact a low-intensity asymmetrical war which has now claimed nearly 170,000 lives in that country during the ten years since the Mexican military first adopted an active interventionist policy at the directive of former President Felipe Calderón on December 11, 2006. A further estimated 45,000 people have also been reported as missing.

    As horrific and lamentable as all this has been, particularly for the people of northern and southwestern Mexico where the bulk of the violence and fighting have occurred, it has also been an ongoing tragedy for over a decade now. And unfortunately, it shows no sign of abatement any time soon.

    In fact, to give this underreported conflict some brutally stark perspective, more people died during the Mexican Drug War between 2007 and 2014 (164,345) than in Afghanistan (21,415) and Iraq (81,636) combined during that same period.

    Now to be sure, not all documented homicides in Mexico can be linked directly to the drug war itself, and differentiating drug war-related violence from the raw totals is often quite problematic, if only for the simple fact that not all sources in that country can be considered trustworthy and reliable.

    Further, some analysts such as Molly Molloy of New Mexico State University in Las Cruces make a compelling argument that these totals may have actually been low-balled, because both the government and the cartels have a vested interest in lowering the official body count.

    Still, the very sharp spike in homicides that occurred in Mexico in the wake of the military's intervention in the illicit drug trade since Dec. 2006 is likely a direct consequence of the government's policy, which reflects the enormous toll suffered by noncombatants as collateral damage caught in the conflict's crossfire.



    is this (none / 0) (#14)
    by linea on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 07:45:03 PM EST
    part of president trump's anti-drug initiative?

    U.S. Treasury Identifies Venezuelan Vice-President as Narcotics Trafficker


    I have no idea what that's about. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:11:38 PM EST
    But given the Trump administration's propensity for serial lying and exaggeration, it's not something that I'd necessarily take at face value without corresponding evidence to that effect.

    Trump doing (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 02:15:28 PM EST
    national security business, running government like a business, as it should be; re: North Korea missile.  public discussion at Trump's private club; pouring over classified documents at candlelight dinner illuminated with cell phone light; photo ops for $200,000 initial fee guest--with military aide carrying nuclear "football,"  and waiters continuing on with dinner service.  But, no emails. photos courtesy of Trump club guest.

    Trump advisor Gorka (none / 0) (#6)
    by MKS on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 03:54:08 PM EST
    wears medal from group listed as Nazi Sympathizers by State Department.

    And Gorka was the one who vehemently defended Trump's Holocaust message that did not mention the Jewish people.

    Godwin's law does not apply to Trump.

    The term "Resistance" is becoming more and more apropos.

    Definitely (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 04:27:41 PM EST
    like a duck territory.

    We may never know who Kellyanne was trying to channel on doomsday, but Gorka's cospaly leaves no doubt, although I bet he was dying to break out his SS uniform.


    Let me know when the qualifiers are gone. (none / 0) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 02:21:12 PM EST
    ..wore a medal that some Hungarian news outlets and scholars identified

    But some Hungarians

    Hungarian scholars who spoke to TPM did not unanimously agree that the medal he wore on inauguration night could definitively be identified.



    And cheesey (none / 0) (#8)
    by MKS on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 04:48:59 PM EST
    It is not his medal but his grandfather's. I would never wear my Dad's medals.  This guy musr really idolize the group.

    My father's Navy Cross and Purple Heart ... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 05:40:03 PM EST
    ... presently sit in a safety deposit box at a bank in downtown Pasadena, CA. Eventually, after my mother passes on, I will likely donate the medals along with his papers and photographs -- which sits in my father's footlocker up in my mother's attic -- to the U.S. Marine Corps Museum at MCB-Quantico, VA. Right now, she doesn't want to part with any of it.

    Some of my friends (none / 0) (#9)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 05:00:02 PM EST
    ...have military combat decorations that they earned by taking their chances.  (My own Army service did not include combat.)

    None would be so tacky as to wear one in public.

    The medal in question here was not awarded to the wearer and isn't even a recognition of achievement.  It's just an insult.


    MT needs to come (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 06:50:31 PM EST
    and comment on this but it's my understanding that only currently serving military and only when in dress uniform are supposed to wear medals.

    Add on they are somebody else's medals and we're into insulting and tacky territory here.

    But then this is the Trump administration and tacky and insulting is what they do.


    True (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:34:00 PM EST
    Dress blues you wear medals.

    True that (none / 0) (#63)
    by MKS on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 10:19:19 AM EST
    only two uniforms now:  Dress Blues and field fatigues (BDU)?  No more olive greens?

    My favorite were the retro pinks and greens from WWII.


    I like the new BDU (none / 0) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 01:37:23 PM EST
    No ironing or fabric softener desired. It destroys a radar deflection that the fabric is treated with. Regular washing does too just less quickly.

    The military is soooo absurd sometimes. They just approved rolling the sleeves up on the blouse when it is hot. After years of watching soldiers place a cuff around both right and left air conditioning vents in the summer while waiting in line at the gate. They try to blow the blouse up with cold air because they are dying :)


    But don't worry that half (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 01:40:41 PM EST
    The jobs running Trump's nation will be done by people who tell everyone daily that what doesn't kill them makes them stronger :). And who take ten yrs to decide if it's okay to roll sleeves up. Everything will be fine.

    Heh, Army Times is currently (none / 0) (#101)
    by MKS on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 02:13:05 PM EST
    doing a survey to see if soldiers want a return to Army Pinks and Greens.....

    Of course, because nobody has a closet (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 at 02:23:11 PM EST
    Full of useless expensive clothes now. Old dress greens, short dress blue jacket with all that absurd braid at the sleeve, now this pretty terrible blue suit coat, why not make me spend another $500?

    The Navy has a (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 02:33:36 PM EST
    wide range of uniforms in which medals are worn.

    My favorite was always the dress whites.


    Playboy goes nude again (none / 0) (#16)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 08:36:59 PM EST
    After a year of no nude pictorials Playboy Magazine has changed it's mind.

    I'm guessing it's a money thing. They said the change to no nudity had to do with becoming more mainstream.  Perhaps that didn't work?  

    Does anyone read magazines of any kind anymore? Newspapers? I get just about everything from TV, internet, books.  The only time I read a magazine is when I'm waiting at the dentist's office.  

    vogue & cosmo (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by linea on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 08:57:25 PM EST
    at the dentist's office.

    and anything with the headline "5 sex tips to drive your partner wild" or  "5 sex postions that will give you a better body" or anything with a number and the word sex. lol


    Not all of us lug a laptop (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:05:21 PM EST
    Or smartphone everywhere we go. I subscribe to Fortune, Mother Jones and Rolling Stone. Oh yeah, I also read/buy books. You know, made with ink and paper.

    who doesnt (2.00 / 1) (#23)
    by linea on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:17:23 PM EST
    carry a phone? that's just defiantly luddite for no purpose.

    what if your car breaks down? what if there is an emergency and somebody needs to contact you? how fo you request uber?


    Sometimes I'll purposely leave the phone at home (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:22:52 PM EST
    It's good to have a break from glowing rectangles from time to time.  

    In general, I'm not a smart phone person... I use one everyday but I don't like surfing the web and sending a lot of messages with it.  I tried a tablet, thinking a bigger screen and keypad would help but it wasn't much better.  I like sitting in my comfy chair at home and using a real keyboard.  


    Why would I need Uber? (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:27:49 PM EST
    I doubt they even operate here. I own two cars and enjoy driving. Especially my 2014 Chrysler 300 bought in June. It is my official old guy car and consolation gift to myself after losing most of my right index finger while getting my Mini worked on. The Mini was fun but the 300 is pure comfort and joy. I never said I did not carry a phone in the car. Got built in blue tooth and everything. I like books and magazines in my hands. I spent nearly 17 years as a typographer. And a damn good one at that. I like letterforms on paper. Ink on paper. I worked for printers, prepress shops and graphic design firms. At one time you coudn't drive around New Orleans in the early 80s without seeing my work on billboards, local products like Luzianne and Tabasco. Or in full page ads in the Times Picayune.

    I survived an entire childhood and half an adulthood without a phone at arms length. If there is an emergency, they can always leave a message.


    Tabasco! You're the man, chuck (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:24:56 AM EST
    My current favorite typefont is called Palatino Linotype, the version in CC Photoshop.  The lower case z is the stuff dreams are writ of.

    That said, I've begun buying books on kindle.  I'm overwhelmed by paper and boxes of books I can't bear parting with.


    Do what I am doing (none / 0) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 02:39:13 PM EST
    I am selectively donating some of my books to the local library and have designated the ones I want given there when I an gone.

    The daughters get some but alas, grandson is locked into Kindle and IPad.


    Call me luddite (none / 0) (#49)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 06:06:40 AM EST
    I keep a pay as you go in the glove compartment of my car. Thats it.

    I used to read a paper with lunch every work day (none / 0) (#22)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:14:52 PM EST
    until the price reached a dollar.  Not just the cost, but having to put in a bunch of quarters became a hassle.  

    Novels are like 8 track tapes (none / 0) (#65)
    by MKS on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 10:23:38 AM EST
    A limited life span.  1700-2000.  No more novels.  Just movies and the internet.

    Marlin magazine and (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 08:44:14 AM EST
    Saltwater Sportsman are the two magazines I still subscribe to.  Articles and photos by me are the real reason.  Haven't had many of those lately though.  Not sure I'm still able to battle a marlin.  They are stronger than me.

    I remember (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:02:45 AM EST
    going to the Outer Banks in NC on vacation and hearing the fisherman talk about Marlin. Talk about a fish that bred a million "fish stories".

    Once upon a time, Playboy was cutting edge. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:02:42 PM EST
    Not only was the magazine noted for teasing men's more prurient interests, but it treated its millions of readers as urbane and sophisticated adults in its coverage of current events, personalities, literature, music, humor, etc.

    Some truly outstanding contemporary writers have had original works first published in Playboy, such as Joseph Heller, Roald Dahl, Ian Fleming, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Margaret Atwood and Norman Mailer. And the magazine scored some truly notable interviews over the years with the likes of Martin Luther King Jr., Stanley Kubrick, Miles Davis, Hunter S. Thompson, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, Jimmy Carter and Milton Friedman.

    From my perspective, that's just not the case anymore -- and hasn't been for quite a long time, really. Simply put, Playboy flourished as something of a counterintuitive and cultural icon during an era when there was still a Hayes Commission and Catholic Legion of Decency out there berating Americans over perceived lapses in morality. There was no other publication like it in America.

    Once American society began shedding its Victorian / Edwardian mores in earnest and started becoming more liberal and tolerant, the magazine became a victim of its own success, as other publications and media outlets piggybacked on it and passed it by. By the late 1970s and early '80s, Playboy was already something of a relic.



    is this old news? (none / 0) (#17)
    by linea on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 08:42:13 PM EST
    Iowa bill: 5 years in prison for highway protesters

    Proposed North Dakota Law Seeks to Legalize Accidentally Running Over Protesters Who Block Roadways
    cnn wire

    Anti-Trump protesters shut down highway, delay ambulance

    After Trump, Black Lives Matter And Pipeline Protests, New Bills Would Raise Penalties For Protest

    Last week in Minnesota, a House committee approved legislation that would increase penalties and charge demonstrators the cost of policing protests. After the fatal shooting by police of Philando Castile, Black Lives Matter protests blocked busy interstates in the Twin Cities. Republican state Rep. Nick Zerwas cited the cost of responding to protests for taxpayers as justification for the bill.

    [Correction. Feb. 1, 2017. A previous Web version of this story incorrectly said that Philano Castile was unarmed. In fact, Castile did have a gun but had not drawn the weapon.]

    Protestors tend to lose sympathy (none / 0) (#25)
    by McBain on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 09:25:18 PM EST
    when they block traffic.  

    Michael Flynn has resigned his (none / 0) (#30)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:29:47 PM EST
    position as Trump's National Security Advisor. The first to fall. Wonder who pushed him off the ledge.

    According to The NY Times, David Petraeus is a possible replacement. Can he get the proper clearance given his past actions regarding top secret information? I know he took a plea deal, so no prison time, but still, he was very careless with classified material. Would that history not preclude him from the appropriate clearance?

    I wouldn't expect Petraeus to want to be a part of (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:41:19 PM EST
    The Trump administrstion. But you have horror botched raid in Yemen, pro-Russia BS that must end, and how the Muslim ban actually makes us less safe. I think he might consider doing a Mattis. Someone has to do something. You can't just have nucking and futz running the world.

    He did retain his security clearance in the Broadwell incident. She was stripped of hers.


    How the hell did he retain (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47:29 PM EST
    his security clearance? I find that mind-boggling. She lost hers, but not him?

    I believe that was based on intent (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:39:10 PM EST
    Most Generals have those books. It must be something they teach at one of the advanced courses and I think the military provides them at no cost, but most Generals write down everything in those books, and they keep them.

    Broadwell was supposed to use the books to verify dates. She had no permission to photo copy them or possess any of the information after viewing it. She had a security clearance, he had a security clearance, the mishandling was completely on her part.


    NY Times says Petraeus (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:51:24 PM EST
    will be at the White House tomorrow.

    Honestly, given how cavalierly Petraeus acted with classified info before, I don't understand why anyone would trust him again. This is not McChrystal and the Rolling Stone article. Petraeus should shockingly poor judgement and broke the law. Anyone else would be doing time.


    Per MSNBC, that visit has been cancelled. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 05:38:52 AM EST
    No reason was given.

    That's too bad (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 05:03:31 PM EST
    So another President won't call him in and give him what he wants until $hit is burning down. SSDPresident

    Given his own tattered public reputation, ... (none / 0) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:59:45 PM EST
    ... were I him, I'd want to steer well clear of this looming train wreck and not be in any way associated with it, even tangentially or peripherally.

    He has a deep sense of responsibilty (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:41:24 PM EST
    He doesn't care about his reputation more than he cares about what happens to the nation. There are some horrible dangerous things taking place that cannot be undone if they go much farther.

    Look at what they handed him in Iraq (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:48:15 PM EST
    Nothing is on fire here yet.

    I don't know how this works between him and Bannon.


    Breaking: Gen. Flynn has resigned his post. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 10:32:45 PM EST
    LINK. More to follow, I'm sure.

    This has been a stunning meltdown (none / 0) (#37)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Feb 13, 2017 at 11:02:38 PM EST
    I'm seeing crazy stories, the New York Times: staff struggles to keep up with president's tweets.  

    Man, can you imagine the fun Hunter S. Thompson could have had with this?

    I've had a bit of fun with it too, fwiw.  If you're interested I'll email you with the url.  Way too offensive for the delicate ears here, possibly.


    Sure. My email address is in my profile. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 05:24:48 AM EST
    I'm no dainty and fragile thing. I think I can handle.

    I sent it. Enjoy, if that's possible. lol (none / 0) (#57)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 09:15:32 AM EST
    Glad this happened early on (none / 0) (#50)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 06:13:16 AM EST
    Although things like this have happened to other administrations, it is good to weed this out early.
    Get someone competent in there fast,
    And hopefully, Pence and Priebus finally get more authority within the White House

    Sorry Trevor (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:05:57 AM EST
    there ain't enough lipstick in the entire universe to pretty up this pig.

    I'm "glad" you are so "glad" this virtual act of treason got "weeded out early" and now we can get down to the important things like the millions of illegal voters and real "crimes" such s Hillary's email server.


    The TDS is strong (none / 0) (#84)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 04:39:47 PM EST
    Do not OD on it.

    What act of treason?  The illegal leaking of tapped phone conversations? I do not believe that is treasonous, but should be investigated.

    Yes, I thought Flynn was a weak link in the foreign policy group, mostly for his temperment, not his knowledge.
    So, I am not upset to see him go, and it appears another ally of General Mattis might get the position.

    All good


    All is (none / 0) (#86)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 05:08:15 PM EST
    good in the Putin puffing place in which you live.

    How come you could see Flynn was a weak link and your boy Trump was oblivious?


    The Donald (none / 0) (#87)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 06:41:25 PM EST
    (Not my guy, but is my President)

    Is loyal to a fault, Flynn backed him early, and strongly.

    I just didn't see Flynn fitting in well, especially with his temperament. Was counting on Mattis to bring him to heel, but now Mattis will most likely have an ally, so even better.


    Not your (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:18:46 PM EST
    guy, but you relentlessly defend him. Loyal is one thing, but devotion to a lying russian stooge should be beyond the pale for any decent American. Strangely not for you or Trump, at the minimum this is an epic clusterfk but you just shrug your shoulders and say 'all is good'.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#89)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:26:29 PM EST
    Things are better, whats not to like?
    Although criminal release of classified information of governmental tapping of government officials phone calls is quite troubling.

    Sure (none / 0) (#91)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:36:50 PM EST
    pretend that epic clusterfk never happened. Sounds like you would be happy if the leaks had never happened and the disaster could continue unabated.

    The leaks obviously happened when Trump was warned about Flynn and did nothing, I find the fact that Trump sat on his hands while a possible Russian mole sat by his side more troubling then all the leaks in the world, you on the other hand stick your head in the sand.


    We are going to (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:34:46 PM EST
    careen from one disaster to another to another as long as Trump is in office. Bannon is an unstable person too but you think it's all good that he's on the National Security Council which by the way has other members leaking to the press about what a mess the NSC is right now.

    Sorry Trevor (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:18:58 AM EST
    Pence is compromised in this too. And Preibus is probably not long as there are reports he is going to be the fall guy for all the disasters that have happened since the inauguration. In all honesty it is not going to get any better no matter who some of these people are replaced with. The real problem is Trump and Bannon. And no one in the GOP is going to do a darn thing about all the disasters.

    Trump's ties to Putin are going to be investigated by the media until there's an answer or the GOP decides to get rid of Trump.


    Examples? (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 11:33:28 AM EST
    Although things like this have happened to other administrations,

    I'll settle for the name of ONE Democratic presidential appointee who conspired illegally with Russia.

    Don't have one?  Imagine my surprise.

    When will "both sides do it" go out of fashion?  It's getting harder and harder to claim that Democrats are as incompetent and unpatriotic as Republicans.  I have to congratulate you for sticking to it in spite of events that prove otherwise.

    At this point my curiosity is piqued.  What level of incompetence and treason on the part of the Trump "administration" would force you to acknowledge it?


    Not just yet, I'm afraid. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 12:11:04 PM EST
    Per CNN's Jake Tapper, it appears that Congressman Devin Nunes (R-Bowels of Hades), Chair of the House Committee on Intelligence, has just announced his intent to investigate the U.S. Intelligence Community regarding its surveillance of Gen. Flynn and related leaks.

    The road to Hell is paved with Republicans.


    They're on a mission from God (none / 0) (#73)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 12:28:46 PM EST
    to "hollow out Big Government", cut taxes for the "job creators", and to toss enough bones to the religious right to keep their mouths shut along the way..

    These are people who still persist in claiming climate change is a hoax. They spend their time in a mental parallel universe.

    You might as well try to debate the Branch Davidians about whether the Millennium is at hand.

    To them the lying and the sleaze and the questionable alliances are little bumps in the road; not really ethically or morally wrong, just momentarily inconvenient.


    He was not some rogue operator. Others are very likely implicated in this Russia-related scandal as well.

    Did this set an all-time record (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jack E Lope on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 10:45:24 AM EST
    ...for a cabinet-member-resignation-for-ethical-reasons - only 24 days after Tr*mp's inaguration?

    I think a case can be made for extreme vetting of Tr*mp appointees, including those who did not formerly require Senate confirmation, going forward.  

    Maybe even a ban.  (One that's only temporary, of course.)


    Not a cabinet member, the Nat'l Security Advisor (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jack E Lope on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 10:47:43 AM EST
    ...so I guess the extreme-vetting net will have to be larger than I previously imagined.

    My thoughts (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 14, 2017 at 07:14:50 AM EST
    are how deep does this go into the white house? Certainly Flynn wasn't just doing this for his own benefit and we know that Putin has been pushing white nationalists like Trump and Bannon in Europe. ABC news is reporting that more and more is going to come out.