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Tuesday Open Thread

I've got clients this afternoon, the jail tomorrow and court on Friday-- then some Xmas shopping.

I'll be online periodically, but for right now, it's time for a new open thread, all topics welcome.

On T.J. Miller, I'm on his side. I've known him since he was 5 years old. I drove him to school for many years on my carpool days. He's always been friends with the TL kid. His parents are the most gracious, generous couple with a beautiful home they always opened up on holidays for parties for the entire class or group. The alleged incident is totally out of character for the T.J. I knew.

Here's TJ and his wife Kate's statement. [More...]

We met this woman over a decade ago while studying together in college, she attempted to break us up back then by plotting for over a year before making contradictory claims and accusations. She attempted to discredit both of our voices and use us against one another by trying to portray Kate to be a continuous abuse victim of T.J. (further efforts to hurt the two of us). She was asked to leave our university comedy group because of worrisome and disturbing behavior, which angered her immensely, she then became fixated on our relationship, and began telling people around campus “I’m going to destroy them” & “I’m going to ruin him.”

We are confident that a full consideration of accounts from and since that time will shed light and clarity on the true nature of not only this person’s character, and also on the real facts of the matter.

We stand together in stating this is nothing more than an unfortunate resurgence of her lies designed to wreak havoc on two happily married people in the public eye.

She began again to circulate rumors online once our relationship became public.

Sadly she is now using the current climate to bandwagon and launch these false accusations again. It is unfortunate that she is choosing this route as it undermines the important movement to make women feel safe coming forward about legitimate claims against real known predators.

We stand together and will not allow this person to take advantage of a serious movement toward gender equality by allowing her to use this moment to muddy the water with an unrelated personal agenda. We feel we all have an obligation now more than ever to prevent people from using reporters to spin lies into headlines, and focus instead on what is real.

We both champion and continue to stand up for people everywhere who have truly suffered injustice seeking to have justice brought into their lives.

The alleged incident occurred in 2001 -- 16 years ago. It was addressed by the school in 2003, there was a hearing with witnesses, the result is not public, and TJ graduated. During the past 16 years, no other woman has publicly accused him of acting inappropriately towards them.

Again, this is an open thread, all topics welcome. But please remember I have a long-standing policy of not allowing readers to criticize or make accusations against my friends, and while I haven't seen TJ in several years, the TL kid has, and I still consider him a friend. As such, he is entitled to the presumption of innocence in the TalkLeft court of public opinion.

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    I've been taught (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by CST on Wed Dec 20, 2017 at 08:07:54 AM EST
    Never to speak ill of the dead.

    On that note, Cardinal Law is dead.

    In this case (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 12:06:46 PM EST
    ...God grants an exception.

    Have at him.

    Parent

    I don't believe in God (none / 0) (#45)
    by CST on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 01:11:47 PM EST
    But sometimes I hope there's a devil.

    Parent
    It's a helluva thing the he could attain the near-pinnacle of his calling, only to then fail so miserably in his leadership due to some appallingly bad policy decisions on his part, which he further compounded with his subsequent attempts at cover-up. Speaking for myself only as one of the Catholic faithful, the Holy Mother Church has yet to reckon fully with the extensive damage and harm caused by those who abused our trust by misusing their power and authority.

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    I would think the near-pinnacle (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 03:27:53 PM EST
    of his calling would be embodying humility and love, wherever one happens to find oneself in the chain of command.

    Parent
    Cardinal Law's Humility (none / 0) (#53)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 05:52:45 PM EST
    ...was like Trump's humility.  They use the same Humility Vendor.

    The Cardinal sported beautifully constructed humility, made with the finest imported materials and quality workmanship, and blessed by the Pope Himself.  

    The Cardinal's humility makes your pathetic, loser humility look like something found in the gutter after a storm.

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    I was referencing Law professionally. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 08:12:08 PM EST
    I'm really not qualified to speculate about his individual morals and what was actually in his heart, when he made the decision to not report offending priests to law enforcement authorities.

    I would only note here that Law was not the only cardinal or bishop who did that. Our own Cardinal Roger Mahoney of Los Angeles stands equally disgraced before the American faithful and the general public.

    Suffice to say that while Cardinal Law may have meant well in seeking to shield the interests of the Archdiocese of Boston and the Roman Catholic Church, as the old adage goes, the road to Hell is often paved with good intentions.

    These multiple attempts at covering up all these criminal assaults over the many decades are first and foremost representative of the Church's failure as an institution. Cardinals Law and Mahoney are merely symptoms of a greater rot that afflicts the Church.

    Personally, I believe that Pope Francis recognizes this problem and is really trying to address and remedy it. But he's clearly facing a lot of resistance from conservative circles within the U.S. Catholic Church who likely think that due to the pope's relatively advanced age of 81, they can effectively run out the clock on him.

    That would be a huge mistake, in my estimation, and would inflict far more damage to the Church over the long term, than would any formal admission of guilt and request for forgiveness by Pope Francis on its behalf.

    Aloha.

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    Happy Solstice... (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by desertswine on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 10:53:23 AM EST
    It's all turning around now.

    : VIVA UNITED NATIONS (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 11:05:01 AM EST
    fu@k you Nikki and the Cheeto horse you rode in on.

    Seriously

    This is a big deal

    Proof (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 07:18:10 PM EST
    everything Cheeto touches turns to crap.

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    This is a joke, do not panic (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 05:01:37 PM EST
    I sent five dollars to a website for information on how to make money on the Internet.

    I got a postcard back.  It said, "Fleece the rubes."

    We're off to Honolulu tonight. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 07:53:10 PM EST
    Our son-in-law called earlier this afternoon to tell us that Elder Daughter's baby is in a breach position with no sign that he'll turn, so she's scheduled to undergo a C-section tomorrow morning, about three weeks earlier than her stated due date.

    He also told us that it's a boy, and he's estimated to already be about nine pounds, so he's practically full-term anyway. The doctor said that other than the breach position, both mother and son are in fine health, and they're undergoing this procedure now to avoid complications. But he's asked us if we could babysit our two-year-old grandson, since the little guy can't accompany his parents to the hospital for obvious reasons.

    So, it'll be an exciting day, as we welcome our second grandchild into the world. He's arriving a little earlier than we expected, to be sure, but we're looking at the event as an unexpected Christmas present. We were actually supposed to leave for L.A. tomorrow night, but have now postponed our departure until Dec. 30.

    Aloha.

    Exciting news, Donald! (none / 0) (#35)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 08:29:34 PM EST
    Close to Christmas, but not on the big day - and early enough for that extra tax deduction!  

    In the midst of all the craziness of our own Christmas prep, I have to keep reminding myself that our nest-to-youngest grandson will be two ON Christmas Day!  So easy for it to get lost in that shuffle.  His "big" party won't be until after the New Year, but we'll do a little cake Christmas afternoon.  And tell - as we will probably do every year - the story of our wild Christmas when he made his appearance.  Including my husband asking our daughter if they'd considered naming him "Jesus."  Not a serious question, but you'd have to know my husband's twisted sense of humor...

    He's still too young to have a clue what's going on - birthday or Christmas - but I think this will be the last birthday that will be the case.

    I'm sure all will go well for your daughter and her baby, but I will keep them in my thoughts and look forward to your happy recap!

    Merriest of Christmases to you, Donald...

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    I actually (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 21, 2017 at 09:35:19 PM EST
    remember you telling us about him being born and how crazy it was. Exciting times for you and your family I'm sure!

    Parent
    UPDATE: Mother and son are doing well. (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 01:38:51 PM EST
    The C-section went smoothly, and Elder Daughter says that she feels fine. Baby weighs in at 8 lbs., 4 oz. and has a rather surprising amount of dark black hair on his head, same color as his grandmother's. His eyes were closed all day yesterday, but they're wide open today. If all goes well with doctors' check-ups, they'll be home tomorrow for Christmas Eve.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Mazel tov, Donald. (none / 0) (#57)
    by caseyOR on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 09:20:24 PM EST
    What a wonderful Christmas gift, a new baby. Glad to hear mother and baby doing okay.

    Parent
    Thank you. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 09:57:58 PM EST
    It's certainly been an eventful week, with lots of good things happening. Just got off the phone with our younger daughter, who is at my mother's in Pasadena, CA -- you know, where we were supposed to be before circumstances intervened. They just got back from dinner, and her cousins are coming to pick her up for a night on the town.

    Parent
    Thank you, Anne. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 12:24:05 PM EST
    And the happiest of Christmases to you and yours, too. Our new grandson is due to be delivered sometime this morning between 9:00-9:30 a.m. HST. As for our daughter, she just really wants it over with, as she's been pretty uncomfortable this past month.

    Who knows how big her son would've gotten in these final weeks, had he gone to full term. Her first child checked in at over 11 lbs. at birth and had to be delivered by C-section, as well. My daughter's my height at 6 feet tall, so she's not a small woman, and I guess she's just destined to have big babies.

    The doctor fully expects mother and son to be home by Christmas Eve, assuming that there's no complications. We'll stay the week over here in Honolulu, and then her mother-in-law is arriving from New York on Thursday to assist her while she recovers her sea legs. If this is anything like last time, she'll be exhausted.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    UPDATE No. 2: Home tomorrow. (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 09:40:48 PM EST
    Here on Oahu, it's been a beautiful day, if a little on the brisk and cool side. And because his mother said we could, we're taking Older Grandson out to get some frozen strawberry yogurt, his favorite. He had somewhat of a rough time emotionally yesterday and last night without his Mama around, which was the first they've been separated for any real length of time.

    (Well, okay, I'll admit it, he looked for her around the house several times yesterday and had more than a few bouts of tears, before throwing a major league tantrum last night when she wasn't around to put him to bed. And because Gaga and Pop-Pop were evidently a very sorry substitute for maternal reassurance, he wound up crying himself to sleep, and then woke up twice during the night to yell for her. How did I miss that chapter in The Grandparent's Manual?)

    But he seems much better today after we went to the hospital this morning, and Mama came out to the waiting room to see and hold him for a little while. Tomorrow, he'll meet his new baby brother.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    It's such a helpless feeling to so want (none / 0) (#61)
    by Anne on Sat Dec 23, 2017 at 10:04:09 PM EST
    to comfort these little ones, and somehow not be able to.

    But it's hard to be two, or three and be facing and dealing with the emotional equivalent of scrambled eggs...Mommy's not around, there's this new little person everyone's all gaga over, "what's a hospital - I don't like it," the routine that makes them feel safe is out the window, and when is it going to be like it used to?  I'd act out too!

    When things are spinning sideways, "this too shall pass" is a great mantra, and remembering to breathe helps, too!

    Parent

    That's for sure. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 24, 2017 at 02:52:34 PM EST
    He was really much better last night. Plus, Daddy came home and spent the night, so he wasn't so much unhappy any more as he was resigned to the present situation. I think taking him to the hospital yesterday to see Mama made a big difference. He seems to understand now that she's coming back to him -- which will actually be in about two hours or thereabouts.

    Merry Christmas, Anne.

    Parent

    I can't believe all the (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 10:15:05 AM EST
    "2017 AS IT HAPPENED" things.

    I know it's standard end o the year but, really, does ANYone want to relive this year?

    Got all my Xmas shopping done.  Ordered a half a dozen of those "to fat to put on your socks" things and a case of Jack Daniels

    I sure (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 02:25:25 PM EST
    don't want to relive one minute of this past year and I'm getting up there in years.

    Parent
    THE LAST JEDI (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 10:25:51 AM EST
    OH my god

    I am firmly in the "best one EVAH" camp.

    I guess (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 12:12:46 PM EST
    ...that makes Somalia and Afghanistan the most crime free zones on earth.

    Travel Ban 3.0 bites the dust, too (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Peter G on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 09:09:45 PM EST
    According to Friday's opinion from the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

    Meanwhile, in the land of reality ... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Yman on Fri Dec 22, 2017 at 09:14:29 PM EST
    It's snowing ! (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Dec 24, 2017 at 08:14:46 AM EST
    Merry Christmas!

    Snow for you Howdy but, (none / 0) (#65)
    by fishcamp on Sun Dec 24, 2017 at 04:27:05 PM EST
    it's 80 degrees here.  Merry Christmas.  🌴

    Parent
    Hey, fish, Merry Christmas! (none / 0) (#66)
    by caseyOR on Sun Dec 24, 2017 at 05:59:36 PM EST
    How goes the hurricane recovery? Your house? Your boat? Your town?

    Please tell me the Keys are doing better than Puerto Rico.

    Parent

    With no opinion one way or the other, (3.50 / 2) (#4)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 19, 2017 at 01:15:18 PM EST
    as to TJ Miller, I'm not sure how much stock we can put in our own positive interactions and associations with those accused of misconduct/abuse/harassment.

    I'm also not sure what having wonderful parents has to do with anything.  We all know people who had terrible parents, who turned out well - just as we know people who didn't who had wonderful parents.  

    And I think, too, that what we all see from the outside isn't always representative of what's happening behind closed doors.

    I think about the legions of women who have been subjected to domestic abuse by husbands/partners who were universally well-regarded and -liked in the community, who, because the abuse occurred when no one else witnessed it, had to suffer the additional indignity of going up against a wall of "that's not the person I knew - he's always been wonderful."

    That's one of the most insidious elements of these situations, and why a lot of women don't report, out of fear that no one will believe that the Nice Guy could possibly have been violent or abusive in any way.

    And yet, we see it over and over again.  

    And when there is a single (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Dec 19, 2017 at 02:07:00 PM EST
    person accusing someone of inappropriate conduct occurring almost 20 years ago, and no one else has made such a claim against that person, I think the presumption of innocence is appropriate before the accused loses his career.

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