Monday News and Open Thread

Tuesday Update: I'm in court today,I won't be posting until tonight.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are officially engaged. I always enjoy seeing photos of them even though I lost interest in Suits after the second season. Good luck and a happy life to both of them.

The Bali volcano is about to blow.

Did anyone get any great deals on Black Friday or Cyber Monday? I did not find anything that I just had to have.

I spent most of my reading time this weekend on ISIS and the Middle East. It is such a mess over there. ISIS has lost so much territory in Iraq and Syria, it no longer has a "state" to govern, but it certainly is not dead. It is regrouping in other countries and causing and threatening more mayhem along the way. Al Baghdadi has issued a "text message" calling for attacks on the media, including Al Jazeera. ISIS released videos of new "wiliyats" this week, some in places I had to look up where they were. In Syria, HTS, a coalition rebel group that included what was left of al Nusra, which had been affiliated with Al Qaida, has just turned on al Qaida arresting some top former leaders of Nusra. The Taliban and ISIS, while enemies, are both fighting hard in Afghanistan. Like I said, it's a mess in the Middle East, but also in Africa and places in South Asia.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Awww Come On! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 02:34:49 PM EST
    Nobody could call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas at a ceramony honoring the code talkers. That's gotta be from The Onion!

    I can't take it anymore!

    you beat me by seconds (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 02:41:16 PM EST
    holy hell

    this is so not funny any more.  Muller please please please do your fu@king job and extract this cancer from our republic.

    it is not onion.

    Trump just called Warren Pocahontas for no apparent reason other than to gratuitously slime her because they and her are "related" in a ceremony honoring world war 2 code talkers.

    followed its said by an awkward silence.

    i am so sorry for these great heros and for our country.  this is horrible.


    Well, see, the thing is that he only (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Anne on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 04:03:53 PM EST
    is comfortable talking about things he wants to talk about, and he only wants to talk about things he kinda/sorta knows something about - and the only thing about "Indians" he could come up with was Pocahontas.  And he only knows about Pocahontas because of the Liz Warren thing - I doubt if he knows anything other than that Pocahontas was a native American.

    Because regardless of what he may have read - badly - off his notes about the code talkers, I can guarantee he didn't understand it, knew nothing about it ahead of time, and maybe the only thing he didn't do was try to imitate his version of Indians, or make jokes about scalping - and we can be glad for that.

    Imagine how desperately and deeply hollow he must be that he only ever feels like a person of any substance when he is talking about himself, or adjusting the limelight to shine upon him.  He cannot allow anyone his or her moment of respect or admiration without rhetorically photo-bombing the occasion with his horrid "look at me!!!" asides.  He doesn't care how offensive he is - because like a child, it's just about getting attention.

    This man is seriously damaged and is not fit to serve.

    And may I just add that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is truly one of the most repulsive, craven life forms on the planet - which one would have to be to defend, daily, his gross behavior.  

    Like father, like daughter, I guess.


    i agree (none / 0) (#29)
    by linea on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 08:16:39 PM EST
    I can guarantee he didn't understand it, knew nothing about it ahead of time, and maybe the only thing he didn't do was try to imitate his version of Indians, or make jokes about scalping - and we can be glad for that.

    it could have been worse. he could have said something much worse.


    link (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 02:42:51 PM EST
    I was sitting at the metro (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 02:51:53 PM EST
    And my twitter went off.

    Just No Way Man! Can't happen!


    points to MSNBC (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:03:58 PM EST
    no mention of this on the next available segment.
    they only mention it in passing when it broke.

    they lead with a deep dive into Flynn.

    they mention it 20 minutes in


    even worse (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 02:52:29 PM EST
    i have no doubt he dishonored these great men for just one more distraction.  from Flynn, tax cuts for the rich, you name it.  it makes me sick.

    that (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:31:03 PM EST
    and of course the fact Warren has been taking on the Trump attack on the consumer protection agency Warren helped start.

    FYI (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:18:44 PM EST
    Cordray and Warren are both on Rachel tonight

    Please, please (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 08:35:56 PM EST
    if there is a god, make it all go away.....

    And, Trump completes (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:45:45 PM EST
    his ignominy by having as a backdrop, a portrait of Andrew Jackson. known as the "Indian Killer" for his brutal military campaign against Native Americans.

    Positioning the Navajo vets (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 12:34:04 AM EST
    under the portrait of Jackson, infamous for the Indian Removal Act and the Trails of Tears (there were nine trails)nand thus the deaths of thousands and cultural upheaval for millions . . . to me, that was worse than the slur on Pocahontas.

    I was appalled when Trump requested the portrait of Jackson for the Oval Office. As appalling as that was, as awful as Trump is, I could not have imagined that he -- and his staff -- would hold a ceremony that is supposd to honor these vets under the portrait of that predecessor.  

    And that means the chief of staff, General Kelly, also is responsible for this disgraceful dishonor to veterans.  Veterans revered by all Native Americans -- and that is saying a lot.

    I have been to many powwows, and no moment is more magnificent and memorable than when the veterans are honored. And there always are many, many veterans at powwows, because the participation rate of the First Nations in military service to this nation is extraordinary . . . as Kelly must know.  Kelly has disgraced himself again today, too.


    the community i live in (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:45:35 AM EST
    was created, or at least named, in part to honor the trail of tears.  the founder was said to have enough native american blood to want to spend his money to do this.  he could have just as easily founded a generic vacation/retirement community.
     FTR it is not that any more.  it was incorporated into a regular township (i think) in to 80s.  there are several "historic markers" on the main street.


    Negative taken for June 23, 1964, Arkansas Gazette article "A Bird's Eye View of Our Verdant State," B1:2. Cherokee Village is located in Sharp County, Arkansas. It is a newly developed area. Sue Estes is the information specialist for the tourist information center. This information center was the first constructed along the Ozark Frontier Trail which spans Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri. Sign reads, "Cherokee Trail of Tears. In the winter of 1838-1839 the Cherokee Indians passed through this area as part of a mass drive of the tribe from their lands in the Appalachians to the Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). Because gold was discovered on the Cherokees' lands, the government forced the Indians to sell their homes and imposed a mass migration that began in 1838. Although some refused to go, the Cherokees began the march on foot under the direction of the U.S. Army, with Gen. Winfield Scott in charge. Over 25 percent of the Cherokees who began the march died of disease and exposure. Because of this the Cherokees of today speak of the trip as the "TRAIL OF TEARS." The Cherokees entered Arkansas about 17 miles north of this point and followed this river westward to what is now Lake Norfork. They finally arrived at their new homegrounds in the spring in the spring of 1839, and eventually became one of the Five Civilized tribes (Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, and Seminole) that were located in the Indian Territory. Under the excellent management of the Cherokees - originally farmers - their strip of land became the most prosperous of all. The tribe members that refused to make the march were granted homes in the Carolinas where they live today."

    You and me (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:16:29 PM EST
    both. Of course I couldn't take it anymore about a month ago. Thankfully I can read Jennifer Rubin at the WaPo take Trump apart daily.

    It's going to take (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:30:39 PM EST
    Some getting used to when Rubin, Podoretz, Krystal, Max Boot etc al are once again enemies.

    Mr. Trump was only (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 06:30:10 PM EST
    ...trying to show them his deep knowledge of Indian lore.  After all, hadn't they come all the way to Washington to honor the Great White Chief?

    "Say, what's the deal with you guys and The Cowboys?  That thing ever get settled?  I mean, all you ever hear about is Cowboys and Indians."


    It's sickening. Literally. (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:53:43 PM EST
    I go into a nosedive every time. I really think he triggers bully reactions in me from childhood. It is seriously distressful.

    "Some Very Fine People-- (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 04:20:47 PM EST
    on Both Sides."  The NYTimes is being deservedly, but inadequately criticized for the article appearing in Sunday's edition, by Richard Fausset.

    The story details a visit to happy newlyweds  in the Ohio heartland....all so normal, except for this one little thing.. they are Nazis.  The groom, a young welder, was one of the very fine people on the tiki torch side of the white supremacist march in Charlottsvile.  Hail Victory, he says; or Sieg Heil, in the original German.

    The NYTimes article apparently was intended to demonstrate how normal it all is (just your basic frustrations, big government, fake news, eradication of homosexuality, ..you know, the normal everyday stuff)..but the idea was cunningly concealed.

     Is hate normal, or are we normalizing hate?  The suburban couple does all the things like you and me, they eat, register at Target's, go to Appelbee's, watch TV, see movies; they differ only in that they aspire to a white-ethno state.  Nazis are just like you and I, except they're Nazis.

     You can catch him on a podcast on Radio Aryan.  Heinrich Himmler exterminated Jews, Slavs, homosexuals, it is true, he acknowledges, but that Hitler guy..."was a lot more kind of chill on those subjects."  Yes, if only Adolph knew.

      And, how do they plan to "purify" , guess we just look to history.   Hannah Arendt beat the NYTimes on this idea calling it the banality of evil.   Trump has helped the cause by opening the space for people like this. Welcome to 2018.

    BUSTED (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 04:52:17 PM EST
    A woman approached The Post with dramatic -- and false -- tale about Roy Moore. She appears to be part of undercover sting operation.

    these people are so stupid.  they set out to discredit the post and end up supporting their credibility.

    you should watch the video.  it is both frightening and hilarious.

    The (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:19:02 PM EST
    thing is these people really believe that the MSM is out to get them. Seriously did she not think that the WaPo was going to fact check what she was saying? Apparently they believe that anybody can come up with a story and the paper will run with it. I'm really glad they taped that conversation or there would be a lot more lies coming out of Project Veritas.  

    I suppose (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:27:19 PM EST
    They might believe that because that's how the "news" they read is reported.

    Sarah (none / 0) (#24)
    by FlJoe on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:55:46 PM EST
    Huckabee has a sister?

    One of shameless weasel-boy (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 06:01:29 PM EST
    James O'Keefe's minions.

    I'd love to know who's bankrolling that punk.

    Apparently he feels bad about not having been there when they bugged the DNC headquarters and burglarized Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office.


    Project Veritas is a 501c(3) nonprofit. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:25:15 PM EST
    By federal law, its tax filings (Form 990) are publicly available. The organization does not appear to disclose its primary donors. However, according to its latest filing for 2016, O'Keefe paid himself $317,691 last year as P.V. Chairman. That's double his compensation from two years ago, when he paid himself $158,000.

    Speaking for myself only, the only way that guy's worth six figures is if we move the decimal point two places to the left.

    P.T. Barnum lives.


    yeah, but you have to pay more (none / 0) (#42)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 10:24:39 PM EST
    for your "nonprofit" CEO bearing the risk of conviction and imprisonment, when you seek to advance your "charitable" purposes by fraudulent and illegal means. It's basic fiscal and fiduciary responsibility by the "PV" obviously prudent and independent board of directors.

    Peter G. does not often snark (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by Towanda on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 12:36:28 AM EST
    but when he does, it's delicious snark.

    Thanks, Towanda (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:53:49 AM EST
    I appreciate it. (No snark.) As a board member of several (legitimate) non-profits, and particularly as an officer of my state ACLU affiliate, I really resent this kind of abuse of the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charitable status, including the obvious failure to have genuine supervision by a board of directors. Thank goodness for the Sarbanes-Oxley provision (IIRC) that required public filings of and disclosures in the Form 990 reports of tax-exempt organizations.

    Want to see more abuse of a 501(c)(3)? (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:37:21 PM EST
    Consider the following scenario:

    Think Progress | November 28, 2017
    Trump Foundation funding of James O'Keefe was twice as much as previously reported, per new filings - "Last October, ThinkProgress reported that Project Veritas had received a $10,000 donation in 2015 from Donald Trump's controversial Donald J. Trump Foundation, a theoretically charitable 501(c)(3) organization. This reporting was based on a list of charitable payments provided by the foundation to the Washington Post. But a ThinkProgress review of the Trump Foundation's 2015 tax filing finds that it reported making not one but two $10,000 donations to Project Veritas in tax-year 2015."

    Who knew that laundering money through a charitable foundation for purposes of political slander and gaslighting was tax-deductible?



    Shorter Peter: (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 01:14:45 AM EST
    "Grifters gotta grift."

    slow news day (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:21:29 PM EST
    Flynns lawyer meets with Mueller today.

    i love the term "queen for a day" being applied to Flynn

    If they reach a deal (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 06:27:40 PM EST
    and the probably will since Mike Jr. will get some lesser time the people who have dealt with Mueller before with clients seem to think that Flynn is either going to give up Jared and Jared will give up Trump or Flynn goes straight to giving up Trump with Jared and others being side dishes.

    More seriously (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 06:50:17 PM EST
    I don't see why Flynn would not go straight to Trump.  He knows everything.  He knows if there was any quid like talk of lifting sanctions.  Flynn is the lynch pin to both conspiracy and obstruction.

    And being a "patriot" I'm sure he would do the time.  But Muller has his son.  I doubt he is "patriotic" enough to see son go down.  For a long long time


    I only hope (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 06:32:51 PM EST
    It happens in time for us all to say.....



    It's looking (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 05:31:43 AM EST
    like that might be possible.

    CaptHowdy: "MERRY CHRISTMAS Donald"

    I couldn't think of a better holiday gift for anyone to give me, than to see Trump & Co. frogmarched publicly down Pennsylvania Ave. in orange jumpsuits, handcuffs and shackles. Why, on a moment's notice, I'd fly the 5,000 miles from Hilo to D.C. or New York just to witness such a monumental event in person.



    I have (none / 0) (#99)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 11:51:36 PM EST
    ... a fatty rolled for that day.


    I'll roll another fatty on that day.


    I don't (none / 0) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 08:36:35 AM EST
    know what to make of this.
    key witness in the special counsel probe ate dinner with President Donald Trump over the weekend at Mar-A-Lago.

    James Woolsey, the former CIA director and board member at Mike Flynn's lobbying firm, took part in a "lengthy conversation" Saturday with the president, reported Business Insider.

    The conversation was revealed by a tipster to Politico Playbook.

    Woolsey, who was the guest of Newsmax chairman Chris Ruddy, spoke with Trump at the main dinner table, where the president and first lady Melania Trump dined with Marvel Entertainment Chairman Ike Perlmutter and his wife Laurie.

    Don't these people have/listen to lawyers? Woolsey is a material witness in any case against Flynn. He has already had his little talk with Mueller and is reportedly cooperating completely. I'm not sure why tRump would even trust him and Woolsey's lawyers and Mueller shouldn't be too happy about this either. Unless Mueller is still fishing and tRump is unable to resist the bait.


    Maybe Woolsey (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 09:31:51 AM EST
    was wearing a wire.

    The (none / 0) (#58)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 09:47:19 AM EST
    obvious possibility of which should have made him persona non grata to the tRump circle.

    Obviously (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 11:07:58 AM EST
    but we're not dealing with smart people here. I wonder how much Flynn got from Trump while he was mulling over talking to Mueller.

    my exact thought (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 11:23:41 AM EST
    I got an anti Hillary email today (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by MKS on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 08:34:22 PM EST
    Good gawd a'mighty.  Still?????

    I must admit those who say misogyny abounds are right.  I was clearly underestimating its presence and impact.    

    Life from outer space? (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by desertswine on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 11:42:51 PM EST
    MOSCOW, October 27. TASS. Scientists have found living bacteria from outer space on the surface of the Russian segment of the International Space Station (ISS). They are being studied on Earth but most likely they don�t pose any sort of danger, Russian cosmonaut Anton Shkaplerov told TASS on Monday.

    Bold is mine.

    i assume (none / 0) (#50)
    by linea on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 02:22:06 AM EST
    TASS is recycling this topic from 2014?

    Astronauts find living organisms clinging to the International Space Station, and aren't sure how they got there

    During a spacewalk intended to clean the International Space Station, Russian astronauts took samples from the exterior of the station for a routine analysis. The results of the experiment were quite surprising. Astronauts expected to find nothing more than contaminants created by the engines of incoming and outgoing spacecraft, but instead found that living organisms were clinging to outside of the ISS. The astronauts identified the organisms as sea plankton that likely originated from Earth, but the team couldn't find a concrete explanation as to how these organisms made it all the way up to the space station -- or how they managed to survive.

    Why am I suddenly hearing (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 06:55:15 AM EST
    Ed Wood-like theremin music playing?

    this? (none / 0) (#93)
    by linea on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:05:57 PM EST
    No Black Friday or Cyber Monday Deals... (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 01:03:13 PM EST
    But I scored a stealie of a dealie on Thanksgiving Eve...made the gametime decision to trek up to Hartford for a third dose of Dead & Co.  Bought a 50 dollar nosebleed ticket at the box office, slithered my way down past the ushers to the back of the floor, then a sawbuck in the palm of the gatekeeper to the GA pit scored a bracelet for the best groovespot in the house. A $ 175 value for sixty bucks...now that's something to be thankful for.  They even came around with a Black Peter!

    Set 1
    Iko Iko
    Shakedown Street
    They Love Each Other  
    Loose Lucy
    Friend of the Devil  
    Bird Song  

    Set 2
    Estimated Prophet
    Eyes of the World  
    China Doll
    The Other One
    Spanish Jam
    Black Peter
    Uncle John's Band
    U.S. Blues

    Knockin' on Heaven's Door

    Odds are Russia Owns Trump, (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 05:00:49 PM EST
    or, when the President is not a Patriot.  Michelle Goldberg (NYTimes, November 28) discusses a book by Luke Hardy, entitled "Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win>"

    "He (Harding) suggests, convincingly, that Russia may have been cultivating Trump since the 1990s.  At that time, Hardy, writes, the KGB was working to draw 'prominent figures in the West'--as the KGB describes them--into collaboration; according to Hardy, a form for evaluating targets asked "are pride, arrogance, egoism, ambition, or vanity among subject's natural characteristics."

    If so, in Trump's case, it would seem that the KGB also got a bonus of greed and cruelty.  And, if true, the president is a clear and present danger.

    I watched an hour of the CNN tax (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 08:53:22 PM EST
    bill debate - Sanders, Cantwell, Cruz and Scott "debating" based on questions from the audience - but I've bailed on the last half hour because it's like 4 kids throwing sand in the sandbox.

    I don't know how America is ever supposed to know the truth of what this bill will do, what it will cost them, if it will save them anything, whether they will be better or worse off, how the states will be affected.  These are questions that are begging for something approaching honest answers - and much more time and input - but instead, it's just all about the sales job, getting the win.

    The other side of this double-edged sword is that I believe - and there is some support for my opinion - that the reason the stock market has been booming is because of the promise of corporate tax reform.  If the bill doesn't pass, what happens to the markets?  Do we get another crash?  Is that how those of us looking to retire will be punished by seeing our IRAs and 401(k)s slashed?

    There is so much bad, bad stuff in this bill - mean stuff, petty stuff - all to help pay already wealthy people more money.  And Republicans are looking us in the eye and just lying their asses off.

    And in case anyone wants to know, Ted Cruz is still a smarmy, smug asshat.

    A crash is coming (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CST on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:37:43 AM EST
    One way or the other, every "expert" agrees that things are over-valued today and these things are somewhat cyclical.  If they don't pass tax reform I agree that it could come sooner, but if we do pass tax reform, frankly, maybe it will come later and harder like what happened when Bush was president.

    That said (none / 0) (#103)
    by CST on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:45:34 AM EST
    I think they will pass the bill.

    I'm thinking it might be a good idea to (none / 0) (#104)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:50:37 AM EST
    take my retirement accounts out of mutual funds and put them in cash funds.

    I've started hedging a bit myself (none / 0) (#109)
    by CST on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:23:43 AM EST
    One thing I'll say is if you do hedge, don't stay there forever.

    2008 was less than 10 years ago, and here we are today riding high.  Your money should still be around 10 years from the next crash, even if you retire in that time period.


    I'm looking to retire at the (none / 0) (#119)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02:39 AM EST
    end of 2018, so this is why I am worried.  Over the last 10 years, not only have the losses incurred been reversed, but I've also continued to put money in the accounts, so it's been growing there, too.

    Which is not to say that if the "correction" comes in the next year that the accounts won't eventually make their way back, but that's less likely to happen when (1) I am taking money out, and (2) not putting any in.

    I could delay my plans to retire, but dammit, I've had enough of this slog - I could probably find something part time closer to home, but I don't want that to be something I have to do.


    Retirement (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:09:18 AM EST
    Is fabulous and wonderful.  I so hope you are able to do it.

    It was easier for me.  No kids.  No heirs.  No problems.  I functionally retired at 60.  It has not always been easy, I had to do part time jobs until I could get SS but I have never regretted it.


    I, too, am worried about my retirement funds. (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 11:57:09 AM EST
    I am already retired. So, I am taking money out, never more than the required minimum distribution. Still, money out with nothing going back in. My gut says convert it all to cash and put as much as possible into FDIC insured accounts.

    But, CST is right in that I would lose out when the market recovers from a crash. The question is will I still be alive to reap the rewards of a market recovery?

    Social Security is a not insignificant portion of my income. If the tax bill passes the cuts that will be made to SS and Medicare to pay for the Koch Brothers' tax cuts would be bad for me. I shudder to think what it will mean to those who rely almost exclusively on SS to live.

    I wish I knew what to do.


    Yeah, casey, it's a worry. (none / 0) (#129)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 12:17:53 PM EST
    I think what I may do is rebalance, so that more of my accounts are in money funds as opposed to mutual funds.

    One of my accounts is an inherited IRA that I am required to take distributions from, even though I won't be 70 1/2 until February of 2024.  It's not a huge account, but it recovered from the recession and has been holding its own.  So far, it is making more money than it is paying out - which is really what it's designed to do.

    My work 401(k) is one that I won't be required to start taking distributions from until April of 2025, so if I'm careful, it could grow on its own until I need it.  But I want to make sure - as much as that is ever possible - that it's invested in funds that are as stable as possible short of being just cash.

    Argh.  My husband doesn't know it yet, but I am about to embark on a campaign for us to live on what we anticipate will be our income after I retire...not sure how much cooperation I'm going to get on that, but the more time we have to adjust to a different standard of living, the less shocking it will be.

    At least, that's the hope!


    yes (none / 0) (#124)
    by CST on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:32:44 AM EST
    But unless you are planning on taking all of your money out immediately for a large purchase, most of your money will probably stay invested for the next 10 years even if you start withdrawing next year.  

    Just something to consider since a lot of people lose out on the gains they could still be incurring while retired due to an overly conservative strategy.  Especially if you live for another 30 years.

    That said, I do think now/soon would be a good time to start hedging to protect capital, and then go back in after the next crash.


    The problem as always is timing. Move to all (none / 0) (#113)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:37:06 AM EST
    cash too early and you could miss a year or too of gains. After sitting on the sidelines for a while, you get tempted to jump back in when you see the stock market making new highs.

    I agree with CST a crash is coming. It is not a matter of if, but when.


    lol (none / 0) (#96)
    by linea on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:14:05 PM EST

    Ted Cruz is still a smarmy, smug asshat.

    so funny!!

    i don't believe donald trump will run for a second term. i don't believe he will risk defeat. i believe he will announce `mission accomplished' and retire to collect monies from speaking engagements and the trump library.

    i'm pretty sure that means ted cruz and vice president pence will fight for the republican nomination.


    I bought a backback I can carry my small dog (none / 0) (#7)
    by McBain on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:20:48 PM EST
    around in when I go on long walks/hikes.  He has some kind of hind leg issue and I try to limit some of his activity.  Technically, It wasn't a Black Friday deal, just a a holiday deal...saved around $25.


    Very cool! (none / 0) (#31)
    by MKS on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 08:32:05 PM EST
    While walking my dogs awhile ago, I saw a dog with no hindlegs on a walk in a carriage that carried his body and let him propel himself with his front paws.

    He was a happy guy, and kudos to his young owner.   A hippie kinda guy Trumpsters would try to punch.


    I saw something like that in the movie (none / 0) (#46)
    by McBain on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 11:45:02 PM EST
    The Savages.  Laura Linney adopts a dog that's about to be put down because it doesn't have hind legs and gives him a carriage like the one you described.

    hold my beer (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:27:23 PM EST
    When retired Marine Col. Lee Busby read it was too late for a write-in candidate for the Alabama senate race, he said, "Hold my beer, we will just see about that."  

    Busby told The Daily Beast on Monday he is launching his long-shot bid to stop Republican nominee Roy Moore from reaching the Senate.

    "I have no idea if the allegations against him true or not, but I don't see anything within his experience as a judge that qualifies him for the job."

    also good (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:29:13 PM EST
    The lengths that some conservatives will go to defend Alabama's GOP Senate candidate and accused child molester Roy Moore reached an absurd new level Monday morning when Joel Pollak, a senior editor at Breitbart News who once angled for a gig as Donald Trump's speechwriter, used the lyrics of the pop song "You're Sixteen" to justify Moore's alleged behavior.

    "In 1973, Ringo Starr hit the charts with a song: `You're 16, you're beautiful, and you're mine,'" Pollak told CNN's Chris Cuomo, acknowledging that it was a remake of an earlier song. "He was thirty-something at the time, singing about a 16-year-old. You want to take away Ringo Starr's achievement."

    Great Balls Of Fire (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jondee on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:48:56 PM EST
    Surprising he didn't reference Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his thirteen-year-old cousin.

    im sort of surprised (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 03:58:16 PM EST
    there has been no Lolita references.

    i suppose most of these people would think Vladimir Nabokov is a russian oligarch.  but you would think James Mason at least.

    Huckabee Sandpaper said today Trump will not be going to AL to campaign.   that i believe is a hopeful note on their expectations for Moore.  


    I saw (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 05:13:45 PM EST
    that and Cuomo was like are you serious?

    I would say I prefer (none / 0) (#35)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:20:49 PM EST
    "Sixteen Candles," recorded by The Crests. One of my favorites in 1958, when I first started listing to top-40 AM radio at age 9 or so. "You're only sixteen, but you're my teenage queen. You're the prettiest, the loveliest girl I've ever seen." Definitely age-inappropriate! I hear-tell it was used later in some movie.

    Only Sixteen. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 09:02:56 AM EST
    Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show (written by Sam Cooke). "She was too you to fall in love"

    Moore - "And I was too young to know"

    Moral convictions. christians. Alabama. I'm still chuckling over that. Thanks linea. You've made the holidays (which I loathe), bearable.


    I was starting to think it was just me (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 01:18:55 PM EST
    I'm gonna go with (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:44:51 PM EST
    Zappas Teenage Pr0stitute

    "Only 13 (none / 0) (#68)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:00:01 PM EST
    and she knows how to nasty"? I thought that line was in Zappa's "Call Any Vegetable."

    That too (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:38:55 PM EST
    The difference between Zappa and all these other 16/17 songs is as someone said it's written for teenagers.  It's not meant to be taken, generally - Jerry Lee not so much, as an adult saying this to a teen anger but one teenager to another.

    Zappa was just straight up twisted and made no apologies.

    On another subject, your comment above about nonprofits was great for a timely LOL because last weekend they reran WEEDS.  I recorded the whole thing but I watched the last few episodes in which Doug forms a fake non-profit.  Which ends up being a huge headache so he sat up all night reading tax code an realized a better path to "the government teat" was to start a religion.  Which of course he did.

    What a great series.


    Not just written for teenagers, but in fact (none / 0) (#85)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 08:27:57 PM EST
    in many cases written and performed by 19-22 year old boys, and occasionally younger. And if not actually written by them, then written in their personas and from their POV. So not really on point; you're right.

    Rolling (none / 0) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 04:49:41 AM EST
    Stones "Stray cat Blues", is positively scandalous.  
    I can see that you're fifteen years old
    No I don't want your I.D.

    15 on the "Beggars Banquet"... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 11:41:50 AM EST
    album cut, lyric changed to 13 on the live version released on "Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out".

    I could see Mick running for Parliament, but never Keith...too cool for that mess.


    That change to 13 (none / 0) (#80)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 05:26:04 PM EST
    was probably for Bill Wyman.

    Touche! (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:32:09 AM EST
    Wyman has to be Roy Moore's favorite Stone;)

    A recurring theme in 1960s rock, (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:01:49 PM EST
    it seems.  "She was just seventeen; you know what I mean. And the way she looked was way beyond compare."  Beatles, "I Saw Her Standing There."

    Not just the 60s (none / 0) (#70)
    by McBain on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:16:48 PM EST
    Winger had a big hit with Seventeen back in the late 80s.  

    Popular music is usually sold/marketed to teenagers.


    document links (none / 0) (#30)
    by linea on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 08:29:35 PM EST
    The Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel published an eight-page opinion on Saturday explaining its legal grounds for supporting Mr. Mulvaney's appointment though the Vacancies Reform Act. Mary E. McLeod, the consumer bureau's general counsel, sent a memo to the agency's senior staff later that day saying that she found the office's reasoning "on point and persuasive."

    How niche (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:12:04 PM EST
    Did it mention the person who wrote the legal opinion justifying it very recently was being spotlighted by the agency for payday lending scams?   Probably not.

    She quotes an OLC opinion issued a decade ago dealing with the entirely different situation posed by the president's power "to name as acting attorney general an individual who would not have become acting under the Attorney General Order implementing the agency succession statute." She also quotes from a 9th Circuit decision that says that "neither the FVRA nor the NLRA is the exclusive means of appointing an acting general counsel of the NLRB" -- an observation that is irrelevant because the National Labor Relations Board is structured in an altogether different way from the CFPB -- before getting to her real point: that she needn't "resolve the meaning" of the statutory language because a provision in an earlier version of the bill that was never signed into law somehow supports the administration's view. In fact, the legislative history does the exact opposite. McLeod recognizes, as she must, that the House-passed version of the law creating the CFPB would have made the FVRA available to the president in circumstances like this -- but -- that Congress deliberately replaced that version with one not giving the president a power to circumvent Dodd-Frank. Then, having produced the very evidence that negates her own argument, she says the statute's history is "unpersuasive."

    McLeod's argument comes across like something cooked up to support a preordained result -- namely, that there must be some rationale for installing Mulvaney at CFPB for the time being without going through a Senate confirmation hearing for him, or for anyone else


    Food the record
    This is the SOP I have been describing to.....others.
    Pick a subject about which there will be near unanimous agreement on the site and take the opposite view.  Blah blah blah.
    Then when enough dust is kicked is up suddenly is about being "attacked"  whine whine whine.

    All just for attention.  I hope in this case it's denied to you.


    your attack is petty (none / 0) (#39)
    by linea on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:46:38 PM EST
    i posted an except from the New York Times that included links to recent legal documents. i posted it with comment or endorsement.

    i did this in exact same way that i post other news items intended as topic-starters such as my recent post from spiegel.de (english) on german political party coalition talks.

    How niche (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy
    Blah blah blah... whine whine whine.

    perhaps your contribution would have been helpful had it not been laced with histrionics and the article behind a pay-firewall. i also believe you used the word niche incorrectly.


    Torture-memo conspirator Engel (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 10:41:47 PM EST
    who now disgraces the DoJ's once-noble and intellectually independent Office of Legal Counsel wrote a tendentious and unconvincing memo. I notice that he felt he had to cite and explain away (top of page 6) the unanimous Supreme Court decision in the case I argued there (and lost) in 1991.

    thank you (none / 0) (#44)
    by linea on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 11:14:16 PM EST
    i didn't know that.

    Here (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 09:22:18 PM EST
    a LINK to the time piece

    Strange it was as not present in the "links"  comment.  But then the overall impression the rather different than the selected paragraph.


    wrong (none / 0) (#40)
    by linea on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 10:00:52 PM EST
    this is the New York Times article i cited.

    the excerpt is exactly as published and the links in the excerpt posted here are also in the article. i posted the excerpt for the links in context. i didn't bother posting the link to the article because i assumed anyone with basic google skills could easily find it if they were interested. my post was about the legal opinions.


    I thought (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2017 at 10:04:39 PM EST
    It was behind a paywall

    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#51)
    by linea on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:10:36 AM EST
    obviously needs to allow some republicans, libertarian-utopianists, and christian-evangelical types to post here so argumentative people have someone to argue with.

    it's rather silly that recently an entire thread was devoted to arguing with me because i believed the las vegas shooter used bump-stocks to modify his weapons and calling for a bump-stock ban, two entire threads of being called a troll because i am opposed to the war on opiods, and of course, crazy anti-gun linea and her loyal jackbooted thugs are going to take CaptHowdy's guns away.

    it's ridiculous.

    by CaptHowdy
    i have a hand gun i just bought at some considerable expense.  i love it and intend to keep it.  anyone who wants it, including linea or occulus, can choose a cheek of my ass to kiss.  

    please do not quote other commenters' (none / 0) (#97)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:46:48 PM EST
    posts on past threads, that's always been against the House rules because it's too easy to take them out of context and no one wants to read a spat between two people.

    I would greatly appreciate your deleting (none / 0) (#175)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 05:03:15 PM EST
    the quoted comment. Thank you.

    i did not know (none / 0) (#184)
    by linea on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:09:16 PM EST
    i did not know that was a rule. i won't do it again.

    Administration charges dropped against final (none / 0) (#66)
    by McBain on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 02:27:52 PM EST
    officer in the Freddie Gray case.
    Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis dismissed all administrative charges against the last officer facing discipline in the Freddie Gray case on Wednesday, meaning all six officers who were accused in the arrest and death of the 25-year-old two years ago will keep their jobs...

    ... The Baltimore Police Department referred the internal investigation to an outside agency, which recommended charges against five of those officers. Two accepted minor discipline. White and two others, Officer Caesar Goodson, the van driver, and Lt. Brian Rice, faced possible termination, and decided to fight the cases.With the cases resolved, the only pending matter in the Gray case is a federal lawsuit brought by some of the officers against Mosby for malicious prosecution and defamation.

    I'm not sure what will happen with the federal lawsuit.  I do know it's difficult to convict/win judgements against cops and prosecutors.

    Honest Baltimore cop killed (none / 0) (#116)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:49:07 AM EST
    This may be the reason it is so hard to get a conviction against a Baltimore police officer, even when as in the Freddie Gray case, there is video evidence showing the police misconduct.

    A Baltimore Police officer was killed with his own gun, the day before he was set to testify against other officers.  No suspects have been identified.  Word is that the BPD is looking in Montana for a suspect, because they know he isn't there.

    How do you feel about honest cops being murdered?  How do you feel about the crooked cops in the case the officer was due to testify about?


    Ryan and McConnell (none / 0) (#67)
    by MKS on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 02:52:27 PM EST
    complaining at press conference with Trump that Pelosi and Schumer skipped the show meeting.

    Wow, what a mistake.....That just telegraphs how much they need them.....

    That was surreal (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:44:42 PM EST
    I'm surprised he didn't just prop up two cardboard cutouts and act like they were there.

    More surreal because he pivots, in a single breath, from dismissing the Korea launch, which Mattis grimly explains went higher that any before - translation, it could reach Chicago, to trash talking Chuck and Nancy.

    It feels like things are unraveling


    Every time (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 04:50:56 PM EST
    Dotard screams about Kim Jung-un Americans probably actually have to start thinking about Trump and him leading a war which is not a good combination for most. Trump would probably end up blowing up 1/2 of America.

    sweet dreams (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 04:57:59 PM EST
    I don't know why everyone on the mainland ... (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 09:26:45 PM EST
    ... is making such a big deal about this. Our civil defense system is tested statewide on the first workday of every month at 11:45 a.m. All they're doing is adding an additional 30-sec. tone which we used to hear all the time, anyway.

    Given our geographic remoteness, we're not in any position to evacuate somewhere else, regardless of where the threat is coming from, or whether it's an aerial attack, hurricane or tsunami. So we have to ride out the threat in place and assuming that we survive the initial impact, each household should have stockpiled 14 days' worth of provisions.

    The idea is that we participate in our own rescue by preparing for two weeks of self-sufficiency. Although judging by what happened in Puerto Rico and the slow federal response there, we really ought to double that to 28 days of food and supplies.



    Eli Manning, you are a classy guy. (none / 0) (#71)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:21:16 PM EST

    Tough way to end... (none / 0) (#74)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 03:40:02 PM EST
    an impressive iron man streak.

    I could see the G-Men going with the kid Webb to give him a look, but benching Eli for Geno?  What point could that possibly serve?


    dunno (none / 0) (#81)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 06:04:36 PM EST
    wtf knows.

    fwiw Eli's 2nd in the "iron man" w/210. (none / 0) (#82)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 06:06:37 PM EST
    no way, imo, he would make it to 295 or whatever to take 1st

    For sure... (none / 0) (#122)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:30:15 AM EST
    Nobody will catch Favre, I think we can file that record under unbreakable with all of Cy Young's pitching records.  

    Unless the NFL switches to flag football sometime in the future.


    Judge rules in favor of Trump in (none / 0) (#76)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 04:08:53 PM EST
    replacing head of CFPB.

    This is bad news.

    Which judge? and in which (none / 0) (#86)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 08:31:57 PM EST
    appellate circuit?

    US District Court judge (none / 0) (#87)
    by caseyOR on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 08:40:24 PM EST
    Timothy J. Kelly, appointed to the Washington court this past September by Trump.

    So that turns out to be the US District Court (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:19:01 AM EST
    for the District of Columbia. (I initially thought that by "the Washington court" you meant the Western District of Washington, which sits in Seattle.) So the supervising Circuit is the D.C. Circuit. Highly competent, and at this time not right-wing stacked. A ruling on a TRO (emergency injunction), like yesterday's, is not appealable. But the next ruling in the case, if the case proceeds -- on a preliminary injunction -- will be.

    Sorry, Peter - I was running out the door, (none / 0) (#88)
    by Anne on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 08:43:55 PM EST
    and meant to come back with more info.

    And perhaps it isn't as "over" as I thought when I saw the headline, but here's more:

    A federal judge refused to block President Trump's choice of budget director Mick Mulvaney from serving as acting director of the prominent federal consumer watchdog agency on Tuesday, denying a request by Leandra English, the No. 2 official at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, to serve in his stead.

    In denying English's request for a temporary restraining order, U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly acknowledged that the case raised consitutional issues. Former CFPB litigation counsel Deepak Gupta, who represented English, said she would weigh her next step.
    "There needs to be an answer from the courts," he said after the ruling. "There needs to be a final answer."

    Here's something else I read today that I also wondered about:

    The White House position is that Dodd-Frank doesn't remove the president's VRA power. It merely means that VRA is no longer the "exclusive" means of filling the vacancy. The president still has the option of using it.

    The lawyers will sort this out, but here's the part that was tickling my brain last night. It's one thing to disagree about what statutory language means, but surely it has to mean something. Right? But if the White House interpretation is correct, then the language in Dodd-Frank is literally meaningless. VRA still controls, and the president had the power to name the deputy as the new director all along if he wanted to. So why bother even including it?

    This is the question I haven't seen addressed. If VRA is the controlling statute regardless, then why did Congress even bother including language about a CFPB successor in Dodd-Frank? It might make sense if this applied only to temporary absences (due to illness, for example), but that's not the case. Everyone agrees that the Dodd-Frank language applies equally to both temporary absences and resignations.

    My untutored view is that the Dodd-Frank language means exactly what it says: if the director resigns, then the deputy director takes over, full stop. And it was included as a means of maintaining CFPB independence from the White House, something that Congress clearly intended. This is the only interpretation that seems to make consistent sense.

    Any lawyerly thoughts?  It seems like a good question - I just don't know the answer.


    radio this morning (none / 0) (#92)
    by linea on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 09:41:01 PM EST
    NPR his morning discussed the accomplishments of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under the Obama administration. i don't have college debt myself, but an important issue for people my age are the actions this agency has taken on behalf of students against the abuses of the for-profit college industry. i'm sorry to see the Trump administration dismantle this agency as most surely it will.

    however, i expected this decision by the judge.

    • i read the eight-page opinion by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel.

    • i read the legal opinion of Mary E. McLeod, the general counsel for the CFPB.

    • from these legal writings, it seemed apparent to me that president trump has the authority under the Vacancies Reform Act to appoint a replacement and that Leandra English would not succeed. obviously, i'm not a lawyer and obviously i'm not happy with this but neither am i a hysterical partisan. i believe i am capable of having objectivity on legal issues. the opinion piece on Mother Jones is nice but i wish someone would be able to post an actual independant legal opinion that supports Leandra English`s interpretation.


    CFPB plays an important -- some argue unique -- watchdog role for 44 million student loan borrowers, who together owe $1.4 trillion in debt.

    Since 2011, CFPB has been a place to contact if you have a problem with your student loan or for-profit college. It has collected 60,000 complaints related to student loans and used this information to spot trends that often lead to enforcement actions.

    For example: returning $480 million to defrauded students of Corinthian Colleges, and getting a private student lender and its debt collector to pay $21.6 million over what CFPB said were illegally collected debts.

    English would be poised to continue this aggressive stance.

    Mulvaney? He's on record supporting the elimination of the CFPB altogether.

    Your wish is my command, Linea (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Peter G on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:14:01 PM EST
    Here's Prof. Marty Lederman's midnight refutation. And no offense, but there is a reason why it takes three years of specialized graduate study, generally followed by at least several years of experience, to become minimally competent at formulating, evaluating or debunking legal arguments. No matter how sincere or generally intelligent you are, you are no more competent to assess the OLC opinion than I would be to drive a city bus after reading a manual and watching an instructional video.

    Rubbish (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 11:34:59 AM EST
    Peter, I think you are perfectly competent to drive a city bus.  Most have automatic transmissions now.

    You might scrape a couple of cars or so until you got a feel for the size of the bus, but so what?  


    ha ha love you! (none / 0) (#98)
    by linea on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 11:33:04 PM EST
    thank you.

    this is my homework:

    i read Prof. Marty Lederman's midnight refutation and i read his (linked) discussion of Footnote 2:

    First is the obvious one:  Trump could--and should--simply appoint a new Director forthwith, preferably someone who does not share Mulvaney's views that the CFPB is a "sad, sick joke" that should not exist.  The Senate then could and should carefully consider the nomination.  All of which is to say that the "interim" position as acting Director could be short-lived, regardless of who is entitled to exercise it.

    i also read Prof. Lederman's (linked) Sunday Post where he writes:
    Notably, the only legal question that divides the parties, at this point, is whether the VRA appointment procedures supersede the Dodd-Frank section 5491 designation of the Deputy Director as acting Director in cases where the President purports to act pursuant to the VRA.  In this post, I'll try to unpack the arguments on that question.

    in his Sunday Post he links to Nina Mendelson who offers considerations against the President's authority to appoint Mulvaney.
    The central concern of the debate over who will be Acting Director of the CFPB is not presidential control, but the Senate's constitutional advice and consent function. 12 U.S.C. 5491 ensures continuity in agency function during a vacancy, while also protecting Senate confirmation prerogatives from potentially strategic presidential action, much like the FVRA's time limits on acting appointments, including those made by the President. The President can, at any time, nominate an individual to serve as CFPB Director, triggering the Senate confirmation process. But he does not have the power to choose the Acting Director. Congress has already identified that individual by statute.

    but ultimately, Prof. Lederman tosses his hands in the air and concludes:
    For these reasons, I think OLC's conclusion about the continued applicability of the VRA to later-enacted statutes, such as Dodd-Frank, specifying a particular officer who "shall serve" in an acting capacity, is at the very least contestable.  A reviewing court might agree with it--but it might not.

    Also Yale Law professor (none / 0) (#136)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:13:18 PM EST
    Trump/Russia History (none / 0) (#83)
    by RickyJim on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 06:08:46 PM EST
    Susan Simpson (The View From LL2) has a graphic history.  There is a also a PDF version.  
    She discusses it with another lawyer and actor Jon Cryer on this podcast.

    FCPA (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ladyjustice on Tue Nov 28, 2017 at 10:13:59 PM EST
    WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS and Elizabeth Warren supporters on this. All Democrats should stand up and demand that Trump apologize to Senator Elizabeth Warren. They should beat that drum until he does. How can Democrats  keep giving him a pass. This is not normal, we cannot normalize his deranged conduct. If the shoe was on the other foot, the Repubs would be screaming, degrading, not giving up for one minute. Where are you Democrats?   You want our support, but how can you remain silent?  And how can we support do-nothings?  

    tRump (5.00 / 5) (#106)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:17:24 AM EST
    will never, ever apologize for anything. He is a sociopath.

    It would be a complete waste of time. (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:28:10 AM EST
    When has Tr*mp apologized for anything?

    CFPB (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ladyjustice on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:53:29 AM EST
    Why are so many Democrats acting like the majority of Republicans?
    Steven Rosenfeld writes in Alternet.

    Per NOAA / National Weather Service, the summits of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa are under a winter storm warning above the 8,000' level and expected to get eight to twelve inches of snow tonight amid temperatures in the teens. Here in Hilo, we've received at nearly 14 inches of rain over the last 72 hours. (It was pouring when we returned Sunday afternoon from our Thanksgiving weekend in Honolulu, and really hasn't let up.) I was upcountry in the town of Volcano this afternoon, which at 3,800' elev. was a very wet and windy 54 degrees. And it's supposed to stay like this for the rest of the week. Ugh!

    Hope some of you are having better weather than we are. Aloha.

    I feel for you. The weather has been less than (none / 0) (#110)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:24:04 AM EST
    perfect in my neck of the woods. Mostly bright sunny days with highs in the low 80s  ;-)!

    Completely weird here (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:29:47 PM EST
    It's 70.  And looks to be well into December

    I knew it!!! (none / 0) (#105)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:16:24 AM EST
    George Soros is behind the allegations against Roy Moore. That guy is Soros is Dr. Evil. He is all powerful. /s

    Trump tweeting hysterically (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:22:25 AM EST
    All morning.  Even more than usual.  While it may well only be a sign of advancing dementia it has in the past often signaled he knows there is an impending shoe drop.

    Judging from the level of hysteria I would say maybe a big shoe.

    Bigfoot maybe.

    I'm wondering if it might be related to the recent strangely public meeting In FL with the former CIA director who has been known to be cooperating with the FBI even before Mueller.

    There have (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:33:13 AM EST
    been numerous rumors on twitter than a "bombshell" is about to drop. Of course, that is all that is said nothing more. They could just be an indictment of Flynn and Flynn Jr. which I would not put in the bombshell category since most of us probably expect that to happen.

    Bombshell (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:42:03 AM EST
    Definitely bombshell.

    Yes, a bombshell, (none / 0) (#165)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:21:31 PM EST
    and not another blond bombshell...but that is always a possibility/probability with Trump, unless we keep him away from the tic tacs.

      However, there is something going on here...Trump should be happy, he is in the midst of making America great again--a tax increase bill for almost everybody, except the big corporations and the those at the tippy top; a $25 Billion cut in Medicare on the tax policy immediate horizon; Roy Moore;s prospects are looking good.  Melania's White House Christmas decor has taken a beating--more spooky than festive, but not enough, on its own, to give Trump the holiday blues.


    Huckabee Sandpaper (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 11:07:44 AM EST
    "It's a REAL video"

    Dear god


    The ranks of the stupid are growing: (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 11:36:40 AM EST
    "Does it matter if it's a fake video?" a reporter asked Sanders, as seen in NBC's video.

    "Look, I'm not talking about the nature of the video," she replied. "I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. The threat is real, and that's what the President is talking about, is the need for national security, the need for military spending, and those are very real things, there's nothing fake about that."

    "But that says the means justify the ends," another reporter pressed.

    "That's not what I said, you're putting words in my mouth," Sanders replied. "I said that the threat is real, the threat needs to be addressed, the threat has to be talked about, and that's what the President is doing in bringing that up."


    The problem is that the president isn't "talking" about anything, he's just unleashing his reflexive response to anything that purports to show Muslims in a bad light, and he doesn't care about the consequences.

    I really think he's dangerously close to going completely off the rails, and it does make me think something big is about to go down.

    Nice that he has Sarah Huckabuncha BS to go out every day and tell us that the stinking foulness that emanates daily from the pouty lips of her boss are, in reality, golden treasures of rhetorical wisdom.

    And of course, she calls herself a Christian...


    Huckabee-splainin (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:22:51 PM EST
    I heard it called yesterday.  Which h was really about Mike explaining to native Americans why Pocahontas was not offensive.

    But I think it's transgender


    Dear Ryan and McConnell, (none / 0) (#132)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 12:56:28 PM EST
    After you get your "wealth distribution" (transfer from poor and middle class to big corporations and the richest of rich), which seems certain to soon occur, is it OK to impeach Trump?

    That's an interesting question (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:20:38 PM EST
    I think pass or not things may change when the wealth transfer is in the rear view mirror.

    Although I think even more if "not".


    ATOMIC BLOND (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:40:01 AM EST
    See this movie.  I knew I would love it when it opened with this killer cover of BLUE MONDAY and went straight into Bowie.

    Yep (none / 0) (#133)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 12:57:08 PM EST
    The female Jason Bourne.

    Charlize is a really good actress....and fun to watch.

    Love the movie.  More to come.

    Matt Damon can't even play Jason Bourne anymore--his last attempt, not so good.  The first one was pure perfection.


    I just ran it again just for the soundtrack (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:22:15 PM EST
    What a great soundtrack.  The soundtrack of my club years.  Some new covers but not all.  The dogs were tilting their heads and staring at me dancing around making dinner

    Compos Mentis (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ladyjustice on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:55:54 AM EST
    Periodic drug tests on everyone employed in  government, and fired if found under influence. Why has the most powerful individual employed by US citizens, and in the White House, not been tested.  Why would he be immune?  He almost akweys looks glassy eyed and medicated. Most liars can't keep their lies straight and DJT is no exception, but coupled with medication, he can't remember what he said last year, or yesterday. Please medical community, speak up and demand drug testing of DJT.

    Seriously (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:01:37 AM EST
    Medication?  That's your biggest worry about Donald?

    He is a te-totaller.  Doesn't smoke drink or whatever.

    On the contrary, I think a few "drugs" might save the republic.

    And the very last thing we need is more fu@king mandatory drug tests.  Of govt employees or anyone else.


    Agreed... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM EST
    he don't need a drug test, a psychiatric evaluation might be a good idea, but not a drug test.

    A person's piss and/or blood content is their business...I have a dream that one day a person will be judged on the content of their character, behavior, and in cases of employment their job performance...not the content of their piss/blood.


    Maybe (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:44:04 PM EST
    But impaired people create a lot of damage--to themselves and others.....

    I do care if an airline pilot is impaired.  I'd rather not wait for a trial of his actions later--I want him sober in the first instance.


    As do we all... (none / 0) (#166)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:24:24 PM EST
    want our airline pilots sober, well rested, with nothing preoccupying their mind such as money problems, relationship problems, suicidal thoughts, you name it.  

    But there is no way to guarantee this, ain't no piss test in the world that can check for all that.  And that's why we have co-pilots, to step in if the pilot can't function in the cockpit, for any reason.  The illusion of safety is not worth the expense or the invasion of privacy imo.  


    And what if the co-pilot is also drunk? (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:38:46 PM EST
    The Guardian | August 17, 2015
    Drunk airBaltic crew included co-pilot at seven times legal alcohol limit - "A Latvian co-pilot has been sentenced to six months in jail after he failed a breathalyser test before he was due to take off from Oslo airport. The 38-year old co-pilot admitted he had drank two bottles of whisky and some beer with other crew members before the flight's planned departure for the island of Crete with about 100 passengers on board. He was found to have a blood alcohol level seven times over the legal limit. Two flight attendants were also sentenced to 45 and 60 days each, after they tested positive for alcohol. But the 50-year old Latvian pilot, whose alcohol level was more than double the legal limit, has rejected some of the charges against him."

    Sorry, kdog, but general public's right to travel in relative safety to their destinations clearly supersedes an airline employee's right to personal privacy, particularly when the subject under scrutiny is said employee's potential intoxication.

    If such an exempted employee objects to this as some sort of unwarranted outside intrusion into his or her personal life, then he or she really ought to pursue employment in another field where the occasional urinalysis or breathalyzer test isn't an integral part of company / agency safety protocols.



    Yeah, the right drugs maybe (none / 0) (#148)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:06:33 PM EST
    right now Trump reminds me of Charlie Sheen at his most coked-out. And it's getting worse.

    That is exactly what Jon Cryer said (none / 0) (#191)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:56:37 PM EST
    on the 45th Podcast. And he should know.

    So. Matt Lauer. (none / 0) (#130)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 12:51:18 PM EST

    Looks like (none / 0) (#135)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:12:34 PM EST
    the private sector is getting to be an unsafe harbor for sexual predators and others with proclivities for unwanted and unwelcomed sexual forays.

     Laurer et al., need to try public office: Trump is presently king in this department, but looks like Roy Moore will be coming to Washington, bringing his niche (allegedly) of pedophilia.  The ex-judge is now giving lectures on morality, which seems to be turning the tide for him with Republicans, especially bringing home the Evangelical Christians.

       The Republicans will just provide a nice senate desk for Roy, a place for him to hang his 40 liter hat, admire his cute little pistol, and the rest goes down the rabbit hole, permitting him to focus on religious liberty, family values and the country's morality.  


    And to top it off (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:39:33 PM EST
    there are no cowboys in Alabama.  The cowboy culture is really borrowed Mexican culture of vaqueros....a culture these white Southerners abhor.

    Associating his deviancy with cowboys....one more thing to make him repulsive.

    I gave up on Southern Evangelicals completely when they made Trump their hero.  Before then, I had held out some hope that their espousal of Christian values would make them act a little like....well, Christians.


    Yes, but (none / 0) (#140)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:42:43 PM EST
    do not be deceived by what they call themselves.

    I think Hank Williams (none / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:53:21 PM EST
    might've started the whole Alabamans-with-cowboy-hats thing.

    Well... (none / 0) (#149)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:06:53 PM EST
    "The concept of a broad-brimmed hat worn by a rider on horseback can be seen as far back as the Mongolian horsemen of the 13th century."

    Which explains why John Wayne (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:15:34 PM EST
    played Genghis Khan.

    I only learned recently (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:26:27 PM EST
    Wayne hated and feared horse and always insisted on riding the same one.  Or two, over the years.

    I should say I "heard" it.  But it's just to good to check.


    I think Wayne liked horses and the Marines (none / 0) (#155)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:36:11 PM EST
    the way Roy Moore and Huckabee like Christianity.

    He did grab (none / 0) (#158)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:55:35 PM EST
    the saddle horn of his saddle.  A no-no.

    But it was him in the saddle in a number of scenes.

    The key to John Wayne, as explained by his wife Pilar, was his shame in not serving in WWII (unlike other actors like Jimmy Stewart who flew bombing missions over Europe.)  He was always trying to make up for that.


    And Wayne (none / 0) (#160)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:57:52 PM EST
    told the story of learning how to talk low and slow from Wyatt Earp.

    We report, you decide.


    If that's the case, then ... (none / 0) (#163)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:19:10 PM EST
    MKS: "The key to John Wayne, as explained by his wife Pilar, was his shame in not serving in WWII (unlike other actors like Jimmy Stewart who flew bombing missions over Europe.)  He was always trying to make up for that."

    ... "The Alamo" and "The Green Berets" both stand as all-time cinematic testaments to the man's crippling case of p*nis envy.



    i googled (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 05:37:55 PM EST
    8. According to Garry Wills, who wrote John Wayne's America: The Politics of Celebrity, Wayne did not actually like horses and only would ride while filming

    and you think he (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 05:24:24 PM EST
    was a cowpoke?  out there shoving his arm elbow deep to deliver calves?  makin sure the cows were fed and dipped?  or whatever they do to cows.  i know of people who own cattle ranches that have not met a cow personally in years.

    great for the image tho.


    ...and you think I said (none / 0) (#183)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 06:59:27 PM EST
    that he was a "cowpoke" birthin' calves and "feeding and dipping?"

    Buying a cattle ranch in AZ for his "image" sure seems like a waste since hardly anyone even knew about it. Like me, until I googled.

    Welp, if you read it somewhere I guess it must be true.

    "Not only can John Wayne be seen riding horses in his 80+ western films, but he can also be seen riding horses in home movies taken at his Arizona ranch."

    That said, I wouldn't blame him for disliking anything from this experience:

    "The family mare, Jenny, carried young Marion Michael Morrison to school every day in Lancaster, California."

    Lancaster? Yikes.


    Roy Moore (none / 0) (#156)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:50:02 PM EST
    is not apeing Genghis Khan.

    He is trying to be a Cowboy.  He is wearing a Stetson, he emblem of the American West.  And he rides with Western Saddles--with saddle horns.  That is Western culture.

    Old line Southerners ride with English style saddles and straw boaters.

    Moore in addition to everything else is no cowboy.   He is a phony.



    Trump may establish a (none / 0) (#161)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:06:17 PM EST
    new cabinet post, urge Moore to resign the senate and become, the first Secretary of the Morals.

    No arguments about his ridiculous hat (none / 0) (#164)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:19:54 PM EST
    just pointing out the origin of many/most "horsey" hats...

    English style.. (none / 0) (#172)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:53:01 PM EST
    cavaliers on their 'chargers' and all that..

    On a distantly related note, Mark Twain blamed the Southeners gungho attitude in going to war with the North on the influence of the novels of Sir Walter Scott.


    Huh. So. Garrison Keillor. (none / 0) (#131)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 12:54:54 PM EST

    In statements to the Minnesota Star Tribune, Keillor said that he "put [his] hand on a woman's bare back" and alleged that he had been groped by dozens of female fans.


    Keillor told The Associated Press that MPR cut ties with him over "a story that I think is more interesting and more complicated than the version MPR heard."

    The radio personality later told the Star Tribune that he was not, in general, physically demonstrative, and that the incident that led to his firing involved touching a woman's bare skin. "I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches," he said. "She recoiled. I apologized."

    "If I had a dollar for every woman who asked to take a selfie with me and who slipped an arm around me and let it drift down below the beltline, I'd have at least a hundred dollars. So this is poetic irony of a high order," Keillor later said.

    For a professional writer and story-teller (none / 0) (#186)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:58:37 PM EST
    Keillor sure doesn't do a very good job of painting an intelligible (or sympathetic) picture of what he claims happens.

    ... and another thing entirely to spin the truth to one's own perceived advantage.

    Matt Lauer (none / 0) (#134)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:01:29 PM EST
    Did NBC even try to hear his side of the story before firing him?  If I got this right, NBC acted based on detailed allegations in a Complaint, and a meeting with her lawyers.

    I agree that women generally tell the truth about such events, but things seem to be spiraling very fast.....and if an accusation, without the chance to be heard first, can get you fired, we are on treacherous ground.

    But who knows, maybe Lauer was given an opportunity to respond....

    From what I have read the woman who filed (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:24:51 PM EST
    the complaint presented compelling evidence. Also, journalists from the New York Times and other publications have been investigating allegations against Lauer for a couple of months and NBC was aware of them.

    I have always found Matt Lauer creepy and could never understand why he was so popular, so I can't say that I am shocked.


    Yup (none / 0) (#138)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:31:35 PM EST
    I have always found Matt Lauer creepy

    Put me in the "Matt Lauer is creepy" (5.00 / 3) (#144)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 01:56:04 PM EST
    camp. Never understood his appeal. Still, even the creepy deserve an opportunity to respond to these kinds of charges.

    My guess is that the evidence was quite compelling. Lauer has a contract, and I would be surprised if that contract did not include provisions for when and for what reasons Lauer could be fired.

    NBC took seemingly forever to decide what to do about Brian Williams, and his lying offense seems almost quaint compared to sexual assault/harassment. That the company acted so quickly on this seems to indicate that either Lauer did not contest the charges or the evidence was such that NBC's lawyers feel confident a Lauer lawsuit against NBC could be defeated.


    Just saw this... (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:02:16 PM EST
    His (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:52:29 PM EST
    behavior at the CIC forum in 2016 looks even worse in light of the new revelations.

    I remember that "interview". (none / 0) (#192)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 10:00:10 PM EST
    I did a lot of screaming at the TV. His treatment of Hillary vs Tr*mp makes a lot of sense now.
    With Tr*mp, he recognized a kindred spirit.

    I wonder how pre-planned (none / 0) (#147)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:05:46 PM EST
    these types of interviews are.

    Variety on Lauer (none / 0) (#162)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:19:02 PM EST

    That does surprise me. I thought the whole deal with him was that he was non-threatening and easy going....well suited for the mornings....h


    fwiw, most if not all execs I've met in (none / 0) (#167)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:31:14 PM EST
    the industry have remote door closers/lockers that are discussed in the article. Woman execs too. They are very convenient whenever a conversation needs privacy...

    What is it with all these men dropping their (none / 0) (#168)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 03:54:36 PM EST
    pants and displaying their junk to the women? I thought that kind of behavior was the purview of the creeps and freaks in dimly lit corners of subway stations, parks, etc.

    I have been flashed a few times, but by strangers in the aforementioned settings. I cannot imagine being subjected to that behavior by someone I know and had to work with on a daily basis.


    Dunno (none / 0) (#170)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:15:09 PM EST
    I thought the idea was to get a woman to like you....not all this other stuff, which a moron should know would freak them out....

    This whole series of events (none / 0) (#179)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 06:12:13 PM EST
    is quite sad.   You have a lot of victimized women.  

    And, sad too, is the apparent desperation, need for affirmation and impulsive drive to dominate others of the perpetrators....quite a dark underbelly of humankind.....a much larger underbelly that I thought.


    not a psychologist (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 06:24:34 PM EST
    and i dont play one on tv but "flashing", which seems to be a lot of what these things come down to - as V said no different than a subway or nature trail, at least to me, does not really seem to be about domination.

    more like a infantile cry for affirmation.


    full disclosure (none / 0) (#182)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 06:44:22 PM EST
    i once went to a halloween parade in the village wearing a t-shirt, a raincoat, shoes socks and pant leg bottoms taped above the knee,

    i was pretty good at it.


    There was a raincoat guy (none / 0) (#185)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 08:11:07 PM EST
    are here a few years ago who used to hang out in laundremats and shout "release the kraken!" I think he got caught eventually.

    Al these other allegations (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 02:03:07 PM EST
    are seeming to normalize Roy Moore-at least to the Evangelicals of Alabama.

    Comment deleted saying (none / 0) (#173)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:55:36 PM EST
    Lauer was previously the subject of numerous complaints to NBC. NBC's statement states this was the first complaint in 20 years.

    Jeralyn, I don't know who made the comment (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 06:41:49 PM EST
    saying "Lauer was previously the subject of numerous complaints to NBC", that you deleted, but this appears to back that statement up.

    Several women told Variety they complained to executives at the network about Lauer's behavior, which fell on deaf ears given the lucrative advertising surrounding "Today." NBC declined to comment. For most of Lauer's tenure at "Today," the morning news show was No. 1 in the ratings, and executives were eager to keep him happy.

    I don't know that I would trust NBC's statement. They have every reason to act like this is the first they have heard of Lauer's "activities".


    What NBC's management says about Lauer ... (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 09:29:44 PM EST
    ... and what fellow employees said about him are two entirely different things. And if you had taken the time to read the Variety exposé to which I had linked and from which I quoted, you'd have noted that several current and former NBC employees had complained prior to network management about Lauer's behavior, only to have those complaints either ignored or dismissed. The article quoted three of them, and further said that their stories were corroborated by other co-workers and friends.

    You think NBC's corporate brass isn't seeking to cover their own corporate derrieres here? Just because they say this is the first time they heard about Lauer, that doesn't thus make it so. Further, the network management knew that both Variety and the New York Times were about to blow the whistle on Lauer, because their reporters called them to request comment before going to publication.

    So, here's what I think. Between the meeting that the complainant and her attorney had on Monday night with the network's legal affairs department and those two pending news stories, NBC executives likely made a calculated decision to first fire Lauer for cause and then self-disclose their reasons thereof, in order to get ahead of the Variety story by at least few hours -- which they did.

    NBC management's interest here is less about truth, than it is about spinning the story in an effort to protect its lucrative "Today Show" franchise, which per the Wall Street Journal is estimated to be worth at least $500 million in annual revenues. The New York Times is now reporting that two more complaints to NBC about Lauer have since surfaced.

    I therefore stand by what I wrote, even though you deleted it, and will further offer my opinion that subsequent disclosures over the coming days about Matt Lauer's time at NBC will likely reaffirm what I said.

    While the now-former host's behavior may well have been news to the tender virgin ears of that network's head honchos inhabiting the penthouse suites at 30 Rockefeller Plaza, I'll offer better than even odds that the same probably can't be said for "The Today Show" producers and management on the floors below.



    there is a new post up on Lauer (none / 0) (#174)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 04:55:56 PM EST
    Wow. (none / 0) (#193)
    by Towanda on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 12:07:11 AM EST
    Read the NBC statement more closely. I am not the lawyer that you are, but I was in public relations and can parse it.

    distinguished Senator Orrin Hatch (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 at 05:21:00 PM EST
    responds to the anit Muslim tweets

    "I'm not aware of it.  I don't pay much attention to the tweets.  I'll say this for ya, he's been one of the best presidents I have served under.  The reason is he's not afraid to make decisions."

    and there we have the problem.

    So we seem to have arrived (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 07:57:52 AM EST
    The Daily News says Trump is a mad man.

    The TIMES and the POST and CNN all run stories questioning his sanity, his grip on reality and his fitness to serve.

    In case any one missed it yesterday Teresa May called out the president for his insanity and he came back at her with more insanity.  Incidentally , he initially addressed the wrong @Teresa May on Twitter (eye roll).

    These stories are sourced from "people close to the president".

    It really seems we are reaching a tipping point and they are softening people up for using the 25th amendment.

    I suspect congressional republicans would love and encourage this because it would relieve them of any responsibility for doing what needs to be done.  After all we are approaching an election year where are are already f@cked so the last thing they need is pi$$ed of base.

    Let's hope and pray this is true

    Stupid (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 08:51:54 AM EST
    Hillary, she should have pointed this out during the

    And where, pray tell, is Mike Pence? (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 09:52:35 AM EST
    Not a peep from him lately...

    I keep expecting to wake up one morning and find out that Trump has essentially been disappeared - whether via the 25th Amendment, or by being physically removed and stashed in a psychiatric facility, or both.

    Whatever the heck is going on with him, he is cranking up to dangerously manic levels, and he's more out of touch with reality than ever.  Does he not remember admitting to saying the things on the Access Hollywood tape?  Has no one showed him his admission?  Or does he want to claim that the man making that admission wasn't really him?

    If this is all about waiting for the tax bill to pass, are they aware that if Trump is 25th'd, Pence can sign bills into law?


    My hopeful response (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 10:01:42 AM EST
    To the tax question would be they are in such a precarious position they can't risk any distractions until it's done and signed.

    We will see after.

    I half expect a net to drop over him at the end of the signing ceremony.


    If they attempt (none / 0) (#203)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 12:58:03 PM EST
    to get rid of Trump they will blow up the GOP. If Moore wins and they attempt to get rid of him they will also blow up the GOP. Of course I hope they blow up the GOP instead of blowing up the country like they have been for the last year.

    The thought of Pence (none / 0) (#198)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 10:18:55 AM EST
    makes me want to barf. The same Putin is awesome leader mindset plus Roy Moore minus the pedophilia. Hopefully Pence gets wrapped up in whatever Mueller has cooking so we won't have to deal with him either.

    I don't disagree (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 10:24:32 AM EST
    But that can't be even a consideration IMO.  We are WAY past that.

    I (none / 0) (#200)
    by FlJoe on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 10:33:25 AM EST
    think by this time the GOP considers tRump to be a useful idiot, his distractions provide perfect cover for their No Billionaire left behind tax bill, the deconstruction of the State and Justice Department, the neutering of CFPB and EPA and all the rest of their pipe dreams.

    I think that was true (none / 0) (#201)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 10:44:01 AM EST
    Until yesterday.  He is now instigating violence in other countries.  Important allies.  Americans and Brits died together by the hundreds of thousands to defeat fascism.  The American president was called out yesterday by the British PM for promoting fascism.

    Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I think we are reaching the end.

    I suspect they are hoping Mueller does it for them.


    Teresa May (none / 0) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 30, 2017 at 11:26:05 AM EST
    Speaking in Jordan this morning repeated what was said in the written statement yesterday