Trump's Bogus Voting Fraud Claim

The New York Times has the facts on what it calls "Trump Voting Fraud Lie."

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    I guess the attendance (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 05:33:12 PM EST
    at the inauguration lie wasn't going so well so he had to go back to the voting fraud lie.

    When he said that his supporters (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 05:58:18 PM EST
    wouldn't care if he shot someone, I think he also meant that he thought they'd believe anything he said.

    And so far that appears to be the case.

    One of his supporters here has even said that it doesn't matter if what Trump says is "literally" true, because his supporters know that what he says is "figuratively" true.

    Meaning that Trump mainly makes appeals to an alternative reality that's sustained by the faith and fantasy life of his people.

    And if that isn't the definition of a demagogue I don't know what is.

    Trump is setting up (none / 0) (#4)
    by MKS on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 06:29:52 PM EST
    future claims of success.  He says that everything is terrible now, that our cities are in flames.

    Then, he will say everything is better because of his Orangeness.  It won't matter that the data won't support him.  He will just lie about it.

    And, now a new twist:   If you can't prove he is lying, then he is telling the truth.

    And, very recent twist:  Trump will prevent Federal agencies from publishing data that contradicts him.

    Orwellian. Orwellian.  Orwellian.    


    It's like a cult (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 07:21:18 PM EST
    Facts don't matter.

    "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." --George Orwell, 1984

    So we're finally seeing George Orwell's predictions come to fruition with Trump and the GOP. I just hope they don't take everybody else down with them.


    Charles (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 10:05:55 AM EST
    Our president is a pathological liar. Say it. Write it. Never become inured to it. And dispense with the terms of art to describe it. A lie by any other name portends the same.

    It's the only thing the news can focus (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 05:55:24 PM EST
    On now, particularly since Graham told the President via CNN "to knock it off!"

    No other way to put it...that's going to go over as well as a fart in a space suit. McCain jumped on Trump too about the TPP. Said that Trump has now abdicated complete control of Asia to China.

    Trump has only begun to meltdown.

    I know Josh Marshall said (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 07:24:04 PM EST
    it was very early for aides to already be running to the press with horror stories about Trump. Never happens this early but then we've never had a president as disliked as Trump from the get go.

    Does this really surprise us? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 08:15:52 PM EST
    It shouldn't, really. While many people are hastening to draw early parallels between the Trump administration and George Orwell's "1984," I continue to believe that a more appropriate literary comparison is achieved with Aldous Huxley's dystopian 1931 novel "Brave New World."

    Inspired to write the novel after an extended trip to a Great Depression-era United States, Huxley eerily predicted that we Americans would eventually become so self-absorbed and hedonistic in our pursuits, and so completely beset with information and data from so many often conflicting sources, many of us would eventually lose our capacity and willingness to discern truth from fiction and right from wrong, and would almost gladly dispense with our freedoms in exchange for socio-economic stability and security.

    Roundly criticized by contemporaries at the time, I think that Huxley actually proved to be quite prescient. Social critic Neil Postman, writing in the forward of his 1985 book "Amusing Ourselves to Death," contrasted Orwell's and Huxley's respective dark visions of the future:

    "What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egotism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy."

    In that respect, I'd argue that before Orwell's nightmarish world of Big Brother could ever be realized, we would first have to arrive at Huxley's anti-Utopian state.


    Here's Orwell At His Best (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Michael Masinter on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 11:07:46 PM EST
    George Orwell comments on the concept of historical fact.

    From Looking Back on the Spanish War, (1943)

    I know it is the fashion to say that most of recorded history is lies anyway. I am willing to believe that history is for the most part inaccurate and biased, but what is peculiar to our own age is the abandonment of the idea that history could be truthfully written. In the past, people deliberately lied, or they unconsciously colored what they wrote, or they struggled after the truth, well knowing that they must make many mistakes; but in each case they believed that "the facts" existed and were more or less discoverable. And in practice there was always a considerable body of fact which would have been agreed to by almost anyone. If you look up the history of the last war in, for instance, the Encyclopedia Britannica, you will find that a respectable amount of the material is drawn from German sources. A British and a German historian would disagree deeply on many things, even on fundamentals, but there would still be a body of, as it were, neutral fact on which neither would seriously challenge the other. It is just this common basis of agreement with its implication that human beings are all one species of animal, that totalitarianism destroys. Nazi theory indeed specifically denies that such a thing as "the truth" exists. There is, for instance, no such thing as "Science". There is only "German Science," "Jewish Science," etc. The implied objective of this line of thought is a nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls not only the future but the past. If the Leader says of such and such an event, "It never happened" -- well, it never happened. If he says that two and two are five -- well two and two are five. This prospect frightens me much more than bombs -- and after our experiences of the last few years that is not such a frivolous statement.

    -- George Orwell
    Looking Back on the Spanish War, (1943)


    George Orwell, of course, was speaking ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 04:16:46 AM EST
    ... contemporaneously in 1943, during a time of worldwide war in which the threatening specter of Nazism still loomed over everyone in Great Britain and elsewhere, and the issue was still very much in doubt.

    Hindsight being 20 /20, we now know that the Axis zenith of power in Europe and Africa had been reached by the autumn of 1942 at Stalingrad and El Alamein, and thereafter waned. But when Orwell wrote this piece, he and others could not have known that the Axis powers were in ebb tide and doomed to collapse, because the war still had another two long and bloody years to go.

    I've always found one of Orwell's most useful works to be his essay "Politics and the English Language," in which he argues that political language  "is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." Orwell believed that the language used in politics was almost always intended to shade or hide the truth rather than illuminate it, which renders it vague or meaningless.

    Such an essay is probably worth revisiting, given our present circumstances.



    Kellyanne added a new one to the lexicon (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:39:43 AM EST
    if obfuscation the other day, when she talked about Trump's "alternate facts", being as viable an option as the actual facts.

    Of course, we've already been reminded by those in the know that we should take Trump words figuratively, not literally.


    Is Huxley's Soma the opioids (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 24, 2017 at 09:24:50 PM EST
    that seem to be everywhere these days?

    It could be. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 03:53:41 AM EST
    Then again, Huxley might have argued that our hedonism is a form of narcotic, which manifests itself today in our overemphasis upon being entertained and further, our ability and willingness to seek out only those sources of information which please us by comporting to and reinforcing our own respective worldviews.

    The smack? Nah... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:03:54 AM EST
    I always equated Prozac and Zoloft type drugs with Huxley's fictional Soma...keep you numb and happy.

    Opiates work pretty damn well (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jondee on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 02:14:52 PM EST
    for awhile..

    I can vouch for that.

    Even Homer talked about the listless-blissful land of the lotus eaters on the waters of oblivion..

    Odysseus would never have gotten back home if he had stayed there.


    To a point... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 05:53:06 PM EST
    but it's almost impossible to remain a functional worker bee once the hop gets a hold of you.

    Or to remain loyal to an authority other than the next fix.

    A totalitarian state has no use for a drug like that.


    An addiction can be like having (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 08:40:47 AM EST
    your own totalitarian state inside you.

    Don't discount (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 10:27:02 AM EST
    those drugs. They are a life saver for many people with clinical depression.

    Actually... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 10:45:30 AM EST
    I firmly believe in drug discounts...I got 10% off on my last sacramental purchase, new record low pricing!

    Whatever gets you through the day, night, life is just fine by me GA...no judgements here.  Just saying Huxley's Soma most closely reminded me of such psychiatric drugs.  


    1984 is back on the best seller's list.... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:09:47 AM EST
    maybe there is hope, and it lies with the proles who still read;)

    Of all the dystopian classics, "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin is my fave.  Recommended to me by a long lost TL commenter many years ago...Thanks again Roger!


    Ironic that there was a superpac or something in (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cashmere on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:52:56 AM EST
    2008 that ran that Nike-like ad implying Hillary's presidency would be like 1984.  Oy vey.

    Well, speaking as a longtime left-winger, ... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 02:36:18 PM EST
    ... we have elements amongst us who can be just as mindlessly dogmatic to the point of stupid, as are our right-wing counterparts at present.

    A man who never alters his opinions (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 02:53:07 PM EST
    is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.



    Or my favorite quip, from ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:31:38 PM EST
    ... the late Hawaii Gov. John Burns, a practicing and very pious Catholic who directly answered his critics in a press conference after he pointedly declined to veto the nation's very first bill expressly legalizing abortion, and signaled his intent to let it become law without his signature on March 11, 1970:

    "All last week, some people have been telling me exactly where to draw the line. Well, any damned fool can draw a line in the sand. And what would that make me, were I to agree with him?"



    I think we've been 1984ish... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 01:20:10 PM EST
    for quite sometime, under presidents and congresses of Big Brother's two faces...I mean parties.

    Trump is just taking newspeak and doublespeak to a new level...with no shame whatsoever.  


    Captain cheeto must resign. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 12:15:19 PM EST
    Keith Olbermann says it perfectly. Except I don't agree that it will happen peacefully. Captain cheeto's demise will not come peacefully or easily. It will take force and/or disaster.

    Yeah, unfortunately (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 01:47:00 PM EST
    I think it is not going to be peaceful since the GOP refuses to hold him accountable.

    Trump (none / 0) (#20)
    by lc on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 01:24:30 PM EST
    I can't believe this guy has only been president for five days.  It feels a lot longer.

    It's like a weird dream I had (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 02:27:41 PM EST
    after eating too much Thai food..

    One of those one's where you chucklingly go "that was weird. I dreamt Donald Trump got elected president".


    Fixed it for you.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by vml68 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 03:47:58 PM EST
    One of those one's where you wake up sobbing, "I dreamt Donald Trump got elected president".

    Trump believes it, (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 02:31:20 PM EST
    "There is no benign explanation for President Trump's false assertion that millions of people voted illegally in the last election. It is either a deliberate attempt to undermine faith in the democratic process, an exhortation to those who favor new restrictions on access to the ballot box, or the worrisome trait of someone with immense power willing to make wild statements without any credible evidence."

    LINK. Worth a read.

    "it is either a deliberate (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 04:19:18 PM EST
    attempt to undermine faith in the democratic process, an exhortation to those who favor new restrictions on access to the ballot box, or the worrisome trait of someone with immense power willing to make wild statements without any credible evidence."

    In the words of Sarah Palin, "all of them, Katie."

    Jennifer Rubin (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 04:44:16 PM EST
    is saying that the GOP has to find out if Trump is lying or if he's insane. Seriously the safety and the security of the country depend on it. However I have no confidence in the GOP to do what is right for the country.

    See my previous posts (none / 0) (#31)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 05:10:23 PM EST
    about Trump being a threat to national security. I said it long before the inauguration. It's not about policies, he is unhinged. And has been for most if his adult life.

    It was obvious (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 05:41:26 PM EST
    in the debates that he was mentally unstable. I guess Republicans watched an #alternatedebate.

    Credible evidence, you say? I give you... (none / 0) (#34)
    by vml68 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 06:08:58 PM EST
    Trump's Voter Fraud Example? A Troubled Tale With Bernhard Langer

    I know this story shut me right up. Or more accurately, left me dumbfounded!


    This is a must-read. To the end. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Towanda on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 07:26:21 PM EST
    The large orange lout is certain that millions voted fraudulently, based upon the experience of a friend of his, a German -- a noncitizen -- who tried to vote, who could tell that citizens ought not have voted, because they didn't look like voters ought to look.

    Or -- because the guy's daughter says that this did not happen and that Trump isn't her father's friend, anyway -- based upon the experience of some other guy who told a guy who told a guy. . . .

    The lout is a lunatic.

    But he is a useful lunatic to the GOP.  


    Paul Krugman (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 07:32:53 PM EST
    is right. He is mentally ill.

    On Facebook somebody posted that he should use those same crack investigators he used to find Obama's birth certificate. Remember how they were "on it" and were coming up with evidence "any day now".

    That should have given people a clue as to how crazy he is.


    If Trump is so wrong (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 07:57:01 PM EST
    then why aren't you folks supporting an investigation?

    We actually (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:04:05 PM EST
    would like an investigation to see how much Putin influenced Trump's voters.

    Of course, he was against a recount when all this could have been done.

    It's nothing more than a waste of money. He's sick Jim, mentally ill. He can't tell fact from fiction and believes conspiracy theories. He only wants to do it because he can't believe that he came in second place with the voters. The people of NY hate enough already. I guess they can hate him some more. He can take the entire GOP down with him.


    We waste a lot of money (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:45:55 PM EST
    according to partisans on each side.

    You disliked the SP who investigated Clinton.

    The Right disliked the SP who investigated the Plame affair.

    I say enough! Let's get the facts.


    Jim (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:56:56 PM EST
    the facts are out there. This story comes from someone who attempted to fraudulently vote for Trump and says he saw people he thought shouldn't be voting. He looked and people and could tell. Jim, Trump is mentally ill. No one in their right mind would consider something like that as evidence of fraud especially when the person Bernard Langer wanted to commit fraud himself. It actually undercuts Trump's whole argument of fraud since Langer could not fraudulently vote for Trump.

    You guys have spent so much time immersing yourself in conspiracy theories that you've come to believe them yourself. The rest of us don't buy into your theory of alternative facts.


    No Ga (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 10:10:02 AM EST
    This "story" has been around and around and around for years and years and used by both sides.

    Now is the time to investigate and fix the problems, if any.

    That the Left seems so dead set against an investigation it makes me  believe that they are scared of what the results may be.


    The "story" (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 12:23:14 PM EST
    Yes, I'm sure that the Ministry of Truth told you about that.

    I'm not going to spend time with someone who presents no facts only some amorphous "story" as a reason to do something. The fact is George W. Bush's administration spent the entire 8 years attempting to prove "voter" fraud and came up with about 8 cases to prosecute.

    It would be better to spend time and money updating the voting equipment we have which we already know is old and some have problems.


    Jim, if you really want to . .. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 12:26:55 PM EST
    ... "investigate and fix the problem," then I'd strongly suggest that you engage a psychiatrist and commence psychoanalysis, because the imaginary problem of massive voter fraud exists entirely within the confines of your own head.

    Donald (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 10:25:54 PM EST
    the Left claimed that the Repubs stole Fl in '00. The Right claimed that the Demos stole Il in '60. The Right....claimed that LBJ stole his first Senate election...The Right claimed the governor race was stolen in WA...the Right claimed that Franken stole his first Senate racenow the Left has claimed that Trump had the Russians steal this election.

    Well, once again he has tricked you and one upped you.

    Let's have an investigation he says. But you no longer want to play.

    Your opposition clearly shows the terror you have in your heart that Trump will be shown correct.


    The terror is from the knowledge (none / 0) (#71)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 10:54:19 PM EST
    that we're now stuck with a delusional megalomaniac for a president.

    "Terror" ... pffffft (none / 0) (#72)
    by Yman on Fri Jan 27, 2017 at 10:18:05 AM EST
    The compete and utter lack of evidence you fail to offer shows that you know Trump's claims are - as usual - false.  No one is "terrified" of your imaginary bogeymen.

    Whether or not there's yet another ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 30, 2017 at 07:03:14 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ: "Your opposition clearly shows the terror you have in your heart that Trump will be shown correct."

    ... investigation is something that's entirely out of my hands. All I'm saying is that these allegations of voter fraud have been around for several decades and have been looked at every which way and sideways, yet no proof has ever been offered that the so-called "problem" is anything other than the manufactured product of Republicans' fevered imaginations.

    Far from being fearful, I and others here have every confidence in our contention that such an investigation will amount to nothing more than a snipe hunt. Time and again you've shown up here with such allegations, as you do now, and each time you've failed to provide any evidence to that effect.

    Rather, as has been noted ad nauseum at TalkLeft, your cries of "voter fraud" increasingly appear to be nothing more than the GOP's thinly-veiled and bogus rationale for the further pursuit of undue and burdensome restrictions on a citizen's right to vote.



    The story of Bigfoot and the (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 02:20:12 PM EST
    Loch Ness monster has been around and around and around forever too.

    Are you telling me the Heritage Foundation, for instance, with it's huge budget and it's win-at-any-cost agenda, hasn't already left no stone unturned in trying to dig up instances of voter fraud?

    You're really gonna have your work cut out for you in the next four years, Jim, if you're going to keep falling all over yourself attempting to make sense out of all of Trump's nonsense.


    If Trump is right ... (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by Yman on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:47:51 PM EST
    ... why can't he (or you) provide the slightest bit of evidence?

    Because that's the nature of silly conspiracy theories.

    Oh, that's right.  He thinks that outdated voter rolls that include dead people or people who have registered in another state means they've committed voter fraud.

    Heh - he should start by talking to Steve Bannon.  Or maybe Steve Mnuchin.


    BTW - Who said we were opposed to an investigation?  What I'm opposed to is a wingnut "investigation", with "alternative facts" presented as conclusions by the Cheetoh-in-Chief and repeated by his sycophants.


    Tiffany, too! (none / 0) (#50)
    by Yman on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:49:24 PM EST
    Where will it all end?  So Trump thinks that people being registered to vote in more than one state is the same thing as voter fraud, but his own daughter was registered to vote in two states.

    (cue the chants of "Lock her up!).


    Wait (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:50:44 PM EST
    why aren't you folks supporting an investigation?

    Are you in favor of wasting tax dollars investigating impossibilities?  Should we, in the name of fairness, be investigating whether Obama really IS the Antichrist?  After all, that is an accusation with exactly the same degree of credibility as the voter fraud lie.

    Jim, are you really representative of conservative thinking?  Because it seems to require the acceptance of three or four impossibilities before breakfast.

    Mr. Trump would have us believe that millions of people conspired in secret to vote illegally against him, they left no paper trail, or any other concrete evidence of this massive collusion, and not one of them cashed in the millions of dollars that would have gone to the first whistle blower who exposed the dastardly plot.

    Mr. Trump has more faith in humanity than I do.


    No Repack (1.00 / 1) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 10:21:00 AM EST
    I represent only me.

    Do I believe Trump's claims? Nope.

    Do I think we have a problem? Possibly.

    We are a rich country that spends all kind of money on things that various people don't want it spent on.

    Besides. Just think how delicious it will feel when Trump is proven wrong. Or not.


    You confuse me (1.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 11:41:12 AM EST
    Do I believe Trump's claims? Nope.

    Then why advance them?

    Do I think we have a problem? Possibly.

    Why would you suggest that having an insane president is "possibly" a problem?  Wouldn't that be a REAL problem?


    Why? (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 10:29:12 PM EST
    To settle the issue once and for all so that we can get on with things without one side or the other making excuses.

    BTW - Quit playing games. You know my reference to having a "problem" was about illegal voting.


    Oh, please (none / 0) (#58)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 11:00:58 AM EST
    Trump will never be "proven wrong".  Not because his tinfoil claims have any merit,  but simply because:
    1.  You can't "prove" a negative,  and
    2.  He - and his supporters - would simply ignore any findings and facts and replace them with "alternate 'facts'".  It's what they do.

    It's not up to others to disprove his baseless claims.   It's up to him to prove them.

    In the 19th century (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 08:55:40 AM EST
    I think it was, people tried to raise money for a Hollow Earth investigation..

    Second thought, maybe that's where all the millions of illegal voters are hiding.

    Their reptilian overlords only let them out to vote in presidential elections.


    If??? (none / 0) (#48)
    by MKS on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:19:03 PM EST

    Can we investigate (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:24:39 PM EST
    the claims the Moon landing was faked while we're at it?

    How about another go round on Obama's birth certificate....

    While, we of course bury the Putin influence on Trump.


    I suggest you ask Jason in the house (none / 0) (#51)
    by mm on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 04:56:34 AM EST
    I'm Not Gonna Investigate Trump's Voter Fraud Claims

    House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) says he sees "no evidence" that millions of undocumented immigrants voted in the 2016 election that and his committee won't be using taxpayer dollars to investigate President Donald Trump's allegation.

    Chaffetz told reporters at the congressional GOP retreat Wednesday in Philadelphia that if Trump wants an investigation, he can get the Department of Justice to look into it. He's not interested.

    "On the voter fraud issue that really happens at the county level. I don't see any evidence, but the President has 100,000 people at the Department of Justice that if he wants to do an investigation, have at it. I just don't see any evidence of it," Chaffetz said.

    When asked if he thought it might be a waste of time or taxpayer dollars, Chaffetz said, "That's why I'm saying the Oversight Committee is not planning to do anything with it."


    I suggest the Voting Rights Section (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 09:21:03 PM EST
    of the Civil Rights Division of the Dept. of Justice to conduct the investigation. I'm figuring they won't have anything else to do for the next four years; certainly AG Sessions won't be allowing them to enforce the voting rights laws.

    He certainly (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 05:11:11 AM EST
    didn't mind wasting tax payer dollars when it came to his bogus investigations of Hillary.

    Mexico's response to President* Trump's ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:04:11 PM EST
    ... executive order ordering the commencement of planning, design and construction of "The Wall" on the Mexican-American border is nothing short of unbridled indignation and anger.

    Trump indicated last night that he'd sign the order today, which just so happens to be the very day Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray arrived in Washington to begin NAFTA-related trade talks with his U.S. counterparts. Reaction in Mexico City was swift.

    "In light of today's ambush and 'my way or the highway' policies, Mexico would do well in carefully re-evaluating [President Enrique Peña Nieto's] trip next week," Arturo Sarukhan, Mexico City's former Mexican ambassador to Washington, said Wednesday morning.

    Former Foreign Minister Jorge Castaneda was even more blunt, and said the time for conciliatory gestures on Mexico's part has passed. "It's like we are Charlie Brown and they are Lucy with the football," he said in describing the Trump regime. "Peña is a weak president in a weak country at a weak moment, but he has to find a way to get some official backbone."

    Indeed, President Peña Nieto's office confirmed that the president is strongly leaning toward doing exactly that, and cancelling next week's planned meeting with President* Trump in Washington. Further, in light of Trump's needlessly provocative actions, Mexico is actually considering what only a few months ago was unthinkable -- leaving NAFTA.

    Between Press Secretary Sean Spicer's inaugural crowd falsehoods, Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" remarks, the gag order on all public iformation from federal agencies, Trump's doubling down on his vote fraud lies and now this mindless dig at our southern neighbor, we're certainly off to a rip-roaring start, aren't we? And it's only Day No. 5.


    5 days (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 09:02:11 PM EST
    and a complete and total disaster. You forgot all the sycophants he had seated in the front when he went on that bizarre rant at the CIA.

    There are some rumors that Priebus was going to quit but Ryan talked him out of it.


    I get it (none / 0) (#41)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:42:56 PM EST
    Millions of people conspired in secret, they coordinated their activities without a word of it leaking out.

    Not one of those three million people wanted to make a million dollars by exposing the dastardly plot.

    Help! We're fallen into a Fellini film ... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jan 25, 2017 at 08:52:12 PM EST
    ... and we can't get out:

    Washington Post | January 25, 2017
    Trump's unfounded voter fraud theory was fueled by German golfer Bernhard Langer - "What does a decorated German golfer have to do with a 'major investigation' into voter fraud sought by the U.S. president? Much more than one might expect. On Wednesday, the New York Times published a story about President Trump's remarks at a bipartisan luncheon held Monday. He repeated his claim, an unfounded assertion with little evidence to support it, that he would have won the popular vote but for 3 million to 5 million illegal ballots that were cast for Hillary Clinton.

    "When challenged on that assertion by a Democrat attending the luncheon, Trump relayed a story he said he was told by his friend, 'the very famous golfer, Bernhard Langer.' The two-time Masters winner, now a fixture on the PGA's Champions Tour, had a frustrating experience when trying to vote near his Florida home on Election Day, according to the president. Langer was told while standing in line that he would not be able to vote, but what Trump did not mention was that Langer is not a U.S. citizen. That was confirmed to the Times's Glenn Thrush by the 59-year-old golfer's daughter, Christina Langer, who graduated from Florida Atlantic last year after spending four years on the school's golf team.

    "Citing staff members who also attended the luncheon, the Times reported that Trump said part of Langer's frustration was that 'ahead of and behind [him in line] were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote.' Trump 'threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from,' according to the newspaper, which noted that a White House official 'contradicted' that version of the depicted events.

    "Langer is a permanent resident of the U.S. but 'a citizen of Germany,' his daughter told the Times. She added, 'He is not a friend of President Trump's, and I don't know why he would talk about him.'" (Emphasis is mine.)

    ¡Ay, caramba!

    'the very famous golfer'??? (none / 0) (#65)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 03:45:59 PM EST
    I've never heard of him. Ever.

    From (none / 0) (#62)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 12:51:30 PM EST
    ABC Interview
    DAVID MUIR: You've heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words ...


    DAVID MUIR: ... that you ...

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools.

    DAVID MUIR: Let, let me ...

    PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't call them critics. I call them fools.


    I read the entire transcript. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 03:44:58 PM EST
    The man is completely batsh-- crazy. He lives in a alternate universe. He is not even part of this planet. Can there be anyone ever in the history world so full of themselves? Everything he touches and says is "the greatest." He must be removed or we are doomed!

    The (none / 0) (#66)
    by FlJoe on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 04:54:19 PM EST
    problem being is there are still millions who think he is being crazy like a fox.
    Even worse is the many main stream Republicans who supported and continue to support him, just so they can achieve their particular conservative wet dream. Trump today is the same Trump that came down the elevator, stupendously unfit for the office and those fkrs knew it, but fell in line, like they always do.

    They do. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 26, 2017 at 08:25:46 PM EST
    You wouldn't believe the number of people I see posting on social media about God sent Donald Trump to save America and what a fine Christian lady Melania is. Seriously these evangelicals have been completely played. I find it very disquieting.