Hillary Feels Fine, Recovering from Pneumonia

Bump and Update 9/12/16: Hillary has been diagnosed with pneumonia. She's taking antibiotics and her doctor says she is recovering nicely.


Hillary got overheated at a 911 Memorial today. She left, went to Chelsea's apartment, and emerged later saying she felt great.

Temperatures on Sunday morning in New York hovered around 80 degrees most of the morning. At the start of the ceremony, the dew point was around 72 degrees — which produces oppressive humidity, according to meteorologists. The humidity declined sharply during the ceremony, and by 11 a.m., the air was drier and pleasant.


Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, who attended the ceremony with Clinton, said he chatted with her for "quite a while" about their families and 9/11 memories.

She looks fine to me. Anyone can get overheated and by itself, it's not a sign of serious illness. Politico reports

Several other Democrats, including Rep. Joe Crowley (D-Queens) said the site was unshaded and hot – and many of those in attendance had sweated through their clothes – even though the temperature was a moderate 82 degrees with mild humidity.

Trump supporters are celebrating (please don't post their remarks and conspiracy theories in comments.) Trump. wisely, is toning it down:

Trump, whose recent gains in the polls have coincided with a more restrained, stage-managed style, brushed off reporters’ requests to comment on Clinton’s problems. Privately, his supporters cast the developments as a positive for the campaign, but worried that Trump and his supporters would overshoot the mark – reinforcing her claims that he’s “temperamentally unfit” -- as he has done so many times in the past.

...One Republican lobbyist who raises money for Trump offered the campaign this advice: “Trump should not say or tweet a thing about Hillary’s health, unless it’s to say, ‘I hope she feels better.’ He needs to be very careful and sensitive, and not reinforce the worse things people think about him, which is that he’s an a*shole.

No rational person would change their vote from Hillary to Trump based on her swooning from the heat.

A new Washington Post ABC News poll released last night has Hillary 5 points ahead of Trump among likely voters and 10 points ahead among registered voters.

Clinton holds a 46 percent to 41 percent edge over Trump among likely voters, followed by Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson at 9 percent and the Green Party’s Jill Stein at 2 percent. Clinton’s lead swells to 10 percentage points among the wider swath of registered voters, 45 percent to 35 percent, similar to her 45 percent to 37 percent edge last month.

These numbers are pretty telling:

Trump and Clinton are actually nearly even among white men with college degrees, a sharp change from recent elections when Republicans carried those voters easily.

Clinton’s double-digit lead with white college-educated women would mark Democrats’ largest margin since exit polling began covering the topic in 1980.

Clinton’s 75 percent to 13 percent lead among the growing share of nonwhite voters is similar to Barack Obama’s four years ago.

I do think interest in the election has decreased -- who wants to read about (much less watch) Trump's latest antics? I sure don't.

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    The sooner Trump (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:05:31 PM EST
    goes off to Russian TV land at this point the better. I too am sick of hearing about him and yet another nonsense tweet he made. By now everybody knows that he's a misogynist, racist and general disgusting human.

    The internals in every poll are always bad for Trump.

    As far as Hillary's health, the reason the GOP obsesses on it is to deny her basic humanity and it's disgusting. I also understand she has to wear a Kevlar vest due to Trump's supporters.

    Basic humanity? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 09:31:41 PM EST

    You would think that someone that old and collapsed would be taken straightaway to a hospital.   That would basic humanity and human decency in my book.   So the question is, why not?

    Thanks (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:15:42 AM EST
    for proving my point. Your statement is right in line with denying her basic humanity.

    You are aware that Trump is older than her aren't you? Only a misogynist would make such a statement.


    I am older than Hillary (1.00 / 1) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 12:33:07 PM EST
    But I haven't had a concussion, have no memory problems and am not taking a blood thinner which is used to prevent strokes and blood clots.

    Neither is Trump.

    Hillary has and is.

    And to complain that discussing her medical condition is "denying her basic humanity" is laughable.


    see my new post with (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 02:20:39 PM EST
    incidents of both Bush presidents fainting, Biden's two brain aneuryisms, Cheney's 5 heart attacks and other issues, etc.

    LOL Jim (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 12:51:10 PM EST
    you don't know any of that about Trump. The only thing he has released is that bizarre letter from his supposed doctor that was widely mocked by the medical community and pretty much considered a fake by them.

    Hillary does not have memory problems but yes, she does take blood thinner for blood clots. A whole lot of people take the same thing.

    Most people are concerned about Trump's mental instability but he sure doesn't look too healthy spraying himself orange and he's pretty bloated. What condition is he trying to cover with the orange spray?


    If she has no memory (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 02:58:43 PM EST
    problem then she lied to the FBI.

    Bloated? Spraying? lol

    When the Trumoster starts fainting and taking a blood thinner for clots....let me know.


    You're shopping a lie (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:12:16 PM EST
    from the alt-right. not surprised.

    He might be taking blood thinners. We don't know. He has not released his medical records.

    Yes, it's widely known that he sprays himself with chemicals. You see how white his eyes are? That is where he wears the goggles to protect his eyes from the chemicals. And yes, he's horribly bloated supposedly from amphetamine abuse.


    Many people say that is widely known (none / 0) (#56)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:09:59 PM EST
    GA6; many people say. "I don't really know," of course.

    The only LIE here is yours (none / 0) (#57)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:13:42 PM EST
    But you gotta love when the wingnuts have to resort to Breitbart, then wonder why anyone with at least a double-digit IQ is always pointing and laughing at them.

    Well, I guess we'll all just have (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 01:08:33 PM EST
    to take your word for it..

    And why wouldn't we? considering your rock-solid reputation for candor and for fair-minded weighing of all sides of every issue..

    As if someone like a Trump would have a difficult time finding a slightly compromised "Dr Nick", the way Elvis and Michael Jackson did, and the way a plethora of addicts in this country always have..

    The fact is, as I far as we know, there's ONE doctor in this country whose word we're supposed to take as the Gospel Truth, and one that you do take as the Gospel Truth: Trump's doctor.


    Well for one thing, she is already under a (none / 0) (#58)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 08:40:15 PM EST
    doctors care and did not need an emergency room. And I would be willing to bet she has doctors in NY that will make house calls.

    Apparently, she's been diagnosed with pneumonia (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by McBain on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 04:41:26 PM EST
    Dr. Lisa Bardack said in a statement released by the campaign that: "Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies. On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule. While at this morning's event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely."

    The schedule the candidates keep is crazy and could be a factor with any health related episodes.

    Dehydration and overheating (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Towanda on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:00:00 PM EST
    can be side effects of antibiotics -- as well as (and in interaction with) Coumadin, which she does daily.  You can imagine that you don't want to ask me how I know about both, and especially the latter not fondly referred to in our house as rat poison.  (Its initial use.)

    There was no way that the former Senator of New York on 9/11 was going to miss this.


    Actually Madame Sec's (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    Schedule for the past month has been light, mostly filled with safely protected fundraisers.

    It was September and October that she was to ramp up her public persona,.

    Her disappearance from the campaign trail for August, and The Donald's whirlwind appearances (and somewhat keeping his mouth shut) have led many to believe that is reason for the reduction of Madame Sec's 10 point lead.

    Her planned trip to California tomorrow has been cancelled already. Not an easy call, or actually it should be, the candidates health should take precedence over any campaign strategy.

    I would expect Madame Sec to take it easy , and schedule days off after events


    She did do a lot (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:28:38 PM EST
    of fundraisers however her schedule was hardly light like you are implying.

    The latest poll has a 10 point lead among RVs which is more reliable than LV's at this point.

    However in the end Donald always seems to be losing in the polling.


    Traveling for work is not fun (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 10:45:05 AM EST
    I hated doing it for work.  Always felt beat up at the end of the day.  

    You get dehydrated flying.  Cabins are pressurized to 8000 ft., which is higher altitude than almost all cities in U.S.   Changes in weather from city to city also seemed to always take their toll on me.  Take off in heat, land in cool and rainy, etc.


    Constant travel and meeting and conversing (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:15:26 PM EST
    with people is not light duty for anyone.  She did not disappear to a spa for a month.

    "Light" - heh (none / 0) (#24)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:28:14 PM EST
    You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

    But the silly claims about what "many believe" sound just like Trump ...


    Maybe not (none / 0) (#26)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:39:38 PM EST

    And thee are a host of other articles all claiming the same

    In the heat of late August, Hillary Clinton all but disappeared from the public eye, retreating to the country's wealthiest enclaves from Nantucket to Beverly Hills to host private, high-dollar fundraisers.

    No kidding (none / 0) (#29)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:56:07 PM EST
    Now post links that support your silly claim about her "light schedule".

    Notorious alt right (none / 0) (#30)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:57:28 PM EST

    Reporter David Shuster, on his Twitter Feed

     Reporter David Shuster posted to Twitter Sunday evening that operatives in the Democratic Party have told him an emergency meeting by the Democratic National Committee is being considered to replace presidential nominee Hillary Clinton on the heels of her case of pneumonia allegedly causing her to collapse Sunday morning at the 9/11 15th anniversary commemoration at Ground Zero in New York City.

     David Shuster ✔ @DavidShuster
    Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth
    6:08 PM - 11 Sep 2016
      3,247 3,247 Retweets   2,883 2,883 likes
    "Clarification from dem operatives @HillaryClinton pneumonia: Expect emergency DNC meeting to CONSIDER replacement. #HillarysHealth"

     David Shuster ✔ @DavidShuster
    Dem operative: @HillaryClinton #BasketOfDeplorables, hiding pneumonia for 3 days, + fainting video = "unchartered political territory."
    8:01 PM - 11 Sep 2016
      649 649 Retweets   606 606 likes


    Gotta love David Schuster ... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 09:35:34 PM EST
    ... tweeting about ridiculous claims from anonymous sources.  Care to place a bet on whether the alleged "emergency DNC meeting!!!" actually happens?  I'll give you 10:1 odds.

    BTW - All of which is irrelevant to your silly claim about her "light schedule".


    10 to 1 (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 11:16:22 PM EST
    Shuster got it from Biden.

    I'll take that bet (none / 0) (#40)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:50:54 AM EST
    Funny how it's nothing but crickets on mine.   The offer extends to you or anyone else who believes this garbage.  

    Chirp, chirp.


    You do realize (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 06:08:16 AM EST
    that David Shuster has been 100% wrong this entire election season don't you? No, you probably don't. He's really your kind of guy with that kind of error rate.

    Talk Shows were at it again (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 05:03:28 PM EST
    today.  CNN, MSNBC... going on and on about her comment about the Deplorables.... and her health, but not one comment on her talk after her lengthy meeting with national security experts.  I thought the talk was one of her best. It showed her broad and deep grasp of the issues and well as thoughtfully crafted strategies to address each problem she identified around the world.

    However, knowing that the press were in attendance at the fund-raiser where she spoke about the Deplorables, IMO she should not have gone there. And, after a week of making herself more accessible, her total brush-off of the press when she emerged from Chelsea's home after recovering from whatever happened earlier, did not make for great optics. Why couldn't she have said something along the lines of: "Thank you for your concern; I felt over-heated after standing in the above-80-degree heat and sun this morning and feel much better now" ???  Anything but walking away... Surely she expected to be questioned at the time.

    The one poll may show her ahead nationally, but polls are generally tightening and could affect all-important Senate races. Last poll I saw for the Senate race in PA has the Repub up 1, whereas a week or 2 ago, the Dem was ahead. The Dems need to take back the Senate.  

    The deplorable (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 05:07:56 PM EST
    statement was on purpose. It makes the GOP defend people like David Duke.

    On purpose or not (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 05:29:18 PM EST
    I agree it is a good idea to keep reminding voters that Trump stands for Alt Right-type attitudes, but I don't think it's appropriate or, more importantly, good strategy to show disdain for voters. It's one thing to make a carefully researched, well-considered and well-written speech identifying what concerns one has about Trump, it's another thing to criticize voters, unless responding to particular behaviors. And because there is such a double-standard - a tough and unforgiving one for Hillary and a general pass to most things Trump, she should let her surrogates say things she can't. For example, Bernie Sanders was asked on MTP last week about her emails, and unfortunately, he was unprepared. Someone should work with him on this, as he would be the perfect person to point holes in the accusations.

    Hillary, IMO, needs to bring over to her camp voters who are hesitating due to her so-called lack of trustworthiness. I don't see her that way at all, but I don't want election day to be a nail-biter and I would like her support to grow to the point where she can carry some Senate candidates with her. Her greatest strengths have always been her grasp of the issues, and by denigrating Trump's followers or making statements they and the media are easily interpreting as such, she is feeding the number of media hours spent questioning her attitudes and her strategy rather than applauding her smarts and leadership qualities. As I recall, the response to her speech on the Alt Right brought only positive response from the media and from Repubs who are uncomfortable with Trump. Sure, Trump supporters and spokespersons did not like the speech, but they could not call her out for anything personally untoward; they instead had to defend their candidate's embrace of the Alt Right. Name-calling by Dems is only going to fan the flames of chatter about her being out of touch or not being able to relate to all Americans -- the nature of the media comments for hours today. Let the Dems go after the opposition leader, and leave the followers alone. Her comments on Trump have been about his policies, his associations and his behavior related to Putin, etc. and related concerns shared by many non-Dems as well as Dems. These types of comments, IMO should remain her focus when she is not talking about how she plans to address concerns of all of us as President.  
    Sorry for the length....  


    Okay. We all hear (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 05:36:12 PM EST
    from the press about "radical candor". Right? I guess unless it comes from Hillary.

    I hate to tell you but Hillary has put out detailed statement after detailed statement and the press has not covered it. Even the forum you were talking about was barely even covered in the press. The press thrives on negativity. I understand what you are saying but do you really think that those people who despise Hillary are going to despise her even less if she's nice to them?


    Those voters aren't supporting her anyway. (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 06:01:56 PM EST
    Who cares what they think? Such white-wing hypocrites apparently believe that the First Amendment only applies to them. And it's pretty clear that while they sure love to dish it out, they certainly have a lot trouble handling the return fire without whining hysterically like a bunch of cry-baby wussies. So if their feelings are hurt -- well, gosh, golly and gee willickers, that's just too bad. Grow a pair.

    I care what fodder is given (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 06:33:29 PM EST
    to the talking heads. Yes, the media has not focused on Hillary's talk on national security, but they now have the Deplorables statement and her health to harp on. They also have not addressed the balance of the email text from Powell to HRC.  

    I also care that we as Dems not be seen as biased in our own way. There are Trump supporters who are not racists, etc. and may not get the subliminal messages; however hard we find that to believe, we don't help ourselves by coming off as condescending. If we stick to pointing out what Trump is doing, what the Alt-Right and Duke stand for, etc., we are more persuasive than when we call Trump's followers names.

    My goals are to see Hillary elected and to have the Dems retake the Senate. I would like her to be able to lead and govern with the support of as many Americans as possible so we can actually get things done that benefit us all. I don't think the Deplorables talk helps the cause. It is symbolic of why HRC has lost the support of working class Americans which she had in 2008. They are hurting economically and facing lack of opportunities for upward mobility. Let's bring as many of them as possible back to our side by showing them how we can move forward together.


    If you don't have the stomach for its more rough-and-tumble aspects, that's fine. The game's not for everyone, so please feel free to stand down. But don't hamstring us by seeking to tie one hand behind our backs, and thus limit what we can and cannot do to win against a thoroughly unscrupulous opponent, just because you feel squeamish about it.

    John Kerry and Al Gore took the high road against a similarly unethical opposition, and went wobbly as a result. How'd that ultimately work out for our country?

    Look, I have no problem saying what I do about Republicans, and I'll offer no apologies for it. They've quite obviously lost their friggin' minds, as far as I'm concerned. Having first sown the wind, they should be made to reap the resultant whirlwind. That's the only way this is ever going to stop. They have to feel the same pain they freely inflict upon others, so that they'll think twice about going there again.

    So, hide in the cellar if you must, but please let Democrats do what we need to do to win this very important election.



    Not Hiding (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:45:23 PM EST
    at all. I think you are misreading what I am saying. Am I saying the campaign should not continue to call Trump out for every outrageous thing he does? Or to run ads showing this? No. but I am keeping my eye on what is most effective to get us to the goal post, and I don't think calling people names and getting down in the dirt with them is the way to get what we want.

    And dare I say that there were many reasons Gore and Kerry lost that had nothing to do with taking the high road? If you are referring, for example, to the Kerry campaign's failure to hit back hard on the right's slamming his war hero record, I agree with you. Hillary is responding to everything they throw her way. And hitting back with her Alt Right speech, the ads, etc. The Deplorables tack is the one thing I believe does not help the cause.


    She's a bad ass (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 07:32:00 PM EST
    she went to the 9/11 memorial with pneumonia. Hardly sounds like someone who is on death's door and an hour later after leaving the event was looking fine.

    So you kind of undercut your own concern trolling there.

    I'm getting a kick (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 05:19:21 AM EST
    out of a lot of the tweets about this. For the first time ever Republicans are all of a sudden concerned about women's health. LOL.

    If Hillary is really as sick as Republicans want her to be she should have her face put on Mount Rushmore because she's saving the country from fascism. LOL.

    I do understand the Republican's concern since after all Reagan was mentally incompetent for most of his time as president.

    This (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 06:58:08 PM EST
    is the kind of disgusting filth you support???

    Thanks for link (none / 0) (#42)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 07:47:30 AM EST
    great resource.

    What I meant (none / 0) (#43)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 07:57:13 AM EST
    is the video is a vivid demonstration of deplorable things Trump followers say and do. They are soooo angry... The same site has other videos worth seeing as well.  

    Trump's (none / 0) (#27)
    by ding7777 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 at 08:42:43 PM EST
     "Second Amendment People" can also kill you

    The real takeaway: Get vaccinated (none / 0) (#44)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 09:55:48 AM EST
    against pneumonia.  The current vaccine helps protect against 13 pneumococcal bacteria.

    Prevnar 13 (none / 0) (#52)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 02:28:27 PM EST
    Here. But not everyone should take it.

    But when I got mine the pharmacy told me not to forget to get another kind of pneumonia vaccine next year. It was probably this one:

    The recommendation then notes that physicians should recommend a dose of the 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (PPSV23), marketed by Merck and Co. as Pneumovax, for these patients six to 12 months after PCV13 vaccination.

    Thread cleaned of off topic comments (none / 0) (#47)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 12:01:47 PM EST
    Jim if you hijack another thread (this thread had nothing to do with Castro, David Duke and Trump) you will be put in time out.

    Every time (none / 0) (#55)
    by Nemi on Mon Sep 12, 2016 at 03:44:22 PM EST
    I'm directed to a tweet by David Axelrod, whom I don't, and don't plan to, follow, ever, I scratch my head thinking, what the eff is wrong with this guy and his obvious disdain for Hillary Clinton. And why does he have to absoluely publish it!? 'Damn with faint praise' doesn't even begin to describe his attitude. Don't know if he's a Tr*mp supporter or not but still won't post his latest lashing out. But it's in this post by Charles Pierce on presidential health being historically tricky topics. An excerpt:

    It "plays into" the "narrative" that the Clintons are parsimonious with everything but parsing. Just last week, The National Enquirer, run by Trump's pal, David Pecker, ran a cover story in which their bombshell expose of what the fishwrap claimed was HRC's full medical record held that she is suffering from Alzheimer's, a damaged liver "from booze," and that she has had three strokes. Which I guess means she has to get up-and-down from Chelsea's apartment to save par and maintain her lead.

    The enabling mechanisms of the elite political media went into full operation shortly thereafter. Not that they believe that she really has had three strokes, or that she's a booze-soaked Alzheimer's patient with liver damage, mind you. It's just that, if she were a little more "transparent," all of these concerns would vanish into the air and the Enquirer could go back to pestering the Kardsashians.

    i agree!! (none / 0) (#59)
    by linea on Tue Sep 13, 2016 at 08:34:57 PM EST
    re: "No rational person would change their vote from Hillary to Trump based on her swooning from the heat."

    only the news and republicans care about this or the emails (the official justice dept report is done). voters dont care. and i know this is a sensitive topic but everybody knows that presidents and presidential candidates are really old. really, nobody cares (as in voters).