Trump's Runaway Train

It seems no one can help [us] now
[we're] in too deep
There's no way out
This time [we] have really led [ourselves] astray
Runaway train never going back
Wrong way on a one way track

Republicans are having a conniption fit over their uncontrollable candidate. There are reports the campaign is in turmoil. Some Republicans are talking about an intervention.

Newt Gingrich says Trump is presently unacceptable: [More...]

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, one of Trump’s most loyal defenders, warned that his friend was in danger of throwing away the election and helping to make Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton president unless he quickly changes course.

“The current race is which of these two is the more unacceptable, because right now neither of them is acceptable,” Gingrich said in a Wednesday morning telephone interview. “Trump is helping her to win by proving he is more unacceptable than she is.” Gingrich said Trump has only a matter of weeks to reverse course.

Only the New York Times is bucking the media meme of Republican panic at Trump. It reports Republicans up for re-election are hesitant to dump Trump, as are those whose primary concern is the Supreme Court.

Even GW Bush is dumping on Trump.

In related news, the President of France says Trump makes people want to throw up. He also talked about the global consequences of a Trump election.

On Tuesday, Mr. Hollande said, “If the Americans choose Trump, it will have consequences because the American election is a global election.”

I asked yesterday what happens if Trump becomes convinced he can't win and drops out. Apparently, Republicans are asking themselves the same thing.

I think Republicans are way too late. Trump is a runaway train on a one way track. As long as he draws the crowds, he'll believe he can win. I don't think he'll drop out unless he faces empty arenas on the campaign trail. The more the establishment turns on him, the more likely the marginalized and under-informed public that forms his fan base will turn out to cheer him with their hate-filled signs and screams. As for his campaign staff resigning, Trump doesn't think he needs a campaign staff. He'll just appoint his kids to take their place.

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    Great song (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 04:42:09 PM EST
    I was thinking...the GOP has claimed the 'liberal' media has been trying to destroy them for years. In a way, they succeeded - by giving their candidate so much coverage.

    Well played, liberal media!

    D'oh! Now you've done it! (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:03:38 PM EST
    You spoiled everything by publicly disclosing our nefarious scheme. I hope you're happy.



    If only the left or the media were really that (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:06:10 PM EST

    Actually an organized media would be a horrible (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:06:47 PM EST
    thing. Strike that!

    Let your mind drift back (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:15:23 PM EST
    To the days when everyone was all uppity about how much air time Donald was being given.

    Who was it that was saying, no, no this is good.  He is insane and the more air time he gets the better because he is insane and people will see that?

    It believe it was me.


    ... the media was still irresponsible to fawn over Trump the way it did. Why even incur the risk?

    He received the air time for the prinmary (none / 0) (#33)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:13:22 PM EST
    The script flipped on him once it became the general election. The media took it upon themselves to stop the free press, and has hammered him unmercifully since then.

    You don't (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:23:32 PM EST
    think the stupid crap he said during the primary mattered? It did. The problem is he's dealing with a different set of voters now than he was during the GOP primary. He was speaking to the bubble people during the primary and they ate it up. Now that there are more than the bubble people listening to what he is saying there's a big problem.

    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:28:53 PM EST
    But its not the voters, we are discussing the media approach to Trump.

    he said so much stupid stuff in the primary also, but was never hammered like he is now. He should have been hammered then, but as media executives were quoted as saying, trump brings ratings.
    Now that it is the general election, they are doing what they should have done in the primary


    Marco lost (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:33:10 PM EST
    Fu@king get over it.

    What does that (none / 0) (#44)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:47:09 PM EST
    Have to do with the media promoting Trump during the primary,
    And turning on him for the general.
    Just get over it

    The problem (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 09:10:05 PM EST
    was the GOP and their candidates tried to hammer him in the primaries but they got scared because Trump was saying what the voters wanted to hear. the press is full of idiots like the meat puppet and sockless dead intern that were fluffing Trump until last week. However you seem to forget that the media was completely fluffing Marco Rubio just swooning at his speeches and calling him the "new Obama". I don't remember the press being particularly nice to Trump though he was a master of getting free media.

    You are giving too much credence to the idiotic media in this country. If the media had as much power as you seem to think we would be having a general election with Marco Rubio going up against Bernie Sanders. None of the voters listened to the stupid media this election time.

    What Trump is doing is play to his core voters. Even attacking a gold star family seems to be playing well with his voters. The problem isn't the media. It's Trump's inability to pivot away from appealing to the core voters he has.


    Don't know what media you are (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:20:19 PM EST
    Referring to but this is not my experience.  He was calling in almost daily to the news shows until Manafort and others stopped hm.

    Mornng Joe, among others has been savaged for "fluffing" him well past the primary.

    The media started "hammering" him when he started doing unbelievable stupid sh!t.  Like, hourly.


    A successful Trump intervention? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 04:58:43 PM EST
    I doubt it.  This was probably the thought of Trump's parents when they sent him off to military school--but still a problem child.

     The Republican establishment could have sent him off to sanity camp pre-convention with some hope for success, but now, post-convention, they have noticed that the problem is greater than his aerodynamic coiffure: Trump has injured Paul Ryan's feelings, which eclipses his suddenly discovered ignorance.

     And, noticed that he was supportive of neither Muslims nor those in the military, who get captured or killed.  And, that Trump insults people..

    The more the Republican Establishment wail and nash their teeth, the more Trump's followers will follow him.  And, Trump's place in their eyes will soar along with Trump being the top story.

     And, he will have all the defenders that Nurse Ratchet can gather.  Dr. Ben Carson, discontinued his Sominex long enough to come to his rescue calling for Mr. and Mrs. Khan to apologize to Trump. Perhaps, he can arrange a reconciliation meeting between all of them at a Popeye"s Organization.  No, Republicans had a convention not an intervention.

    That is (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 05:26:31 PM EST
    so much the truth. If all of this bothered the GOP enough and they had any cojones they would have gotten rid of him at the convention. But they are too scared of their own voters or blowing up the party to do anything. So they are now again reaping what they have sown.

    Even Perp Walker (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:22:40 PM EST
    now will not appear with Trump this week in Wisconsin.  And Walker sells his soul to anyone.

    Nor will Paul Ryan and other GOP leaders in Wisconsin.  Still watching local media to see if even one is willing to be seen with Trump this week.

    (In other news, every Dem leader for miles around will be more than willing to hoist a stein with Tim Kaine, who comes to Milwaukee on Friday for a rally at a microbrewery that hosts the biggest fish fry in the town -- and that is saying something -- every Friday.  Will the good Catholic stay on for the fish fry . . . and for singing along and even dancing to the "Beer Barrel Polka" played by the oompah band, in lederhosen?  Watch for photos.)


    I really (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:35:34 PM EST
    was not all that keen on Kaine at first but it seems he really was the best pick. I can well imagine him having a blast at the fish fry. And his wife is so completely awesome!

    Oh man, that is tempting (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:27:00 PM EST
    I was thinking of a road trip in that direction for my 40yr HS reunion on the 13th...that might tip the balance.

    In lederhosen? (none / 0) (#59)
    by Nemi on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 08:34:58 AM EST
    For real!? lol '-)

    Oh, yes. (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 04:51:56 PM EST
    Lots of places, not just that brewery/restaurant.

    I just went to an event at another restaurant, the Bavarian Inn -- headquarters of many Teutonic sports events, too -- with a waitstaff of men in lederhosen and women in dirndls (serving delicacies such as batter-fried sauerkraut balls, blecchh) . . . in addition to the lederhosened oompah band, playing polkas, of course.

    And biergartens are back in Milwaukee in recent years, too.

    Friends who enjoyed beer halls and biergartens in Munich say they feel right at home in "the American Munich" and its  many and massive (massive apparently is such sites . . . and get misty at the sight of the lederhosen and dirndls, as well as the sound of the oompah bands. And yodeling.

    I am not German, so it all does nothing for me.  Well, except for potato pancakes with my fish fry, and with both sour cream and applesauce on the side.  Mmmmmm.


    You are (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 05:16:16 PM EST
    making me want to take a vacation to Wisconsin. 1/4 German here with full blooded German grandparent. It's in my blood to love the oompah bands and sauerkraut! I even got my Scotch Irish husband to love sauerkraut!

    Nicht on the lederhosen and oompah band. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 09:20:55 AM EST
    That's as painfully clichéd as "Irish yoga"!

    Cliched, yes, but beloved (none / 0) (#67)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 04:53:40 PM EST
    in "the American Munich."  And dancing to a good oompah band is fun, although I never have tried to do it in leather trousers.

    Oompah band? (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 04:56:39 PM EST
    Not that I remember.   Dancing in leather pants.  More times than I can remember.

    From our "A-List Talent'" file: (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:20:35 PM EST
    Antonio Sabato, Jr. claims that he has been "blacklisted" by Hollywood because he supports Donald Trump.

    And all this time, I thought the only two things Mr. Sabato had going for him was a nice a$$ and a ready willingness to bare it in public on a dime. Apparently, there's a delusional ego to go with that otherwise empty skull. Who knew that the Fruit of the Loom guys were rabid libtards?

    Maybe Antonio should call Erik Estrada, and see if he can get an infomercial gig pitching the Psychic Hotline.


    Holy hell...O'Donnell just showed footage (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 09:32:53 PM EST
    of a rally today where some woman  called up to Trump 'thank you for your sacrifice'...and he in turn thanks her for her sacrifice, and says 'We all sacrifice..' blah blah blah.

    Oblivious.  If Olberman was still on they would get 'the worst person in the world' prize every day.

    That whole conversation (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 09:38:15 PM EST
    About the football and the biscuit was freaking scary.  I never heard that Nixon story.

    You saw that report, too? (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Towanda on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 04:55:00 PM EST
    Yeah, I'm glad I didn't know that at the time, with all else to worry about in the Nixon years.  Yikes.

    We have all sacrificed ruffian... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 09:07:31 AM EST
    we've sacrificed our dignity, our national dignity.  If we ever had any to begin with.  And sacrificed it for nothing, nothing at all.

    We are a 240 year old country (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 08:13:05 PM EST
    We have not earned any dignity yet. Just crazy kids.

    So true (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 08:21:02 PM EST
    At the rusk of going off topic I was just this afternoon reading this story about archeologists confirming China's 4000 year old founding myth

    And I thought holy sh!t.  A country for 4000 years.  It reminded me of a saying that Europeans think a 100 miles is a long way and Americans think 100 years is a long time.


    Further ot.. (none / 0) (#96)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 06:22:53 AM EST
    I was just looking the other day at some of
    the Bronze Age (1200 BC or so) Shang Dynasty artifacts they've found over there. Very otherworldly-looking, almost like the ancient Mayan stuff we're used to seeing..

    Yes, if the Chinese are better at taking the long view on things, it's easy to understand why.


    It is an (none / 0) (#97)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 06:59:27 AM EST
    Admirable quality, the ability to play the long game, setting out a plan, a vision, one  hundred years forward.

    I think that somewhat plays into the type of government in each country as well,
    Democracies are messy, and relatively young , and not commonplace. Democracy lends itself to a short term vision,

    Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China. As one official put it, "No one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao's words in Tahrir Square."

    Meanwhile Chinese emperors were planning for their families future, to continue their rule. That lends itself to a longer vision

    I'm not a big admirer of Mao (none / 0) (#98)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 07:11:52 AM EST
    but I've always liked this quote: "we retreat in space, but we advance in time."

    Yes (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 07:37:38 AM EST
    A people subjected by tyrannical leaders and shoved into stinking cried hovels for millennia must have a great deal to teach us about the meaning and value of life.

    That description is similar (none / 0) (#102)
    by jondee on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 06:00:51 PM EST
    to what the Chinese government said about the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama when they invaded Tibet.

    That's a quote (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 07:13:58 PM EST
    Probably not an accurate one and I don't remember from who or where.  Maybe where you say.

    I see that the Brownback Team destroying Kansas (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 09:01:19 AM EST
    Got SMOKED in the Kansas primary too. WooHoo!!!!!!

    Atlanta Journal Constitution poll out today (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 11:15:25 AM EST
    Clinton - 44%

    Trump - 40%

    In freakin Georgia

    What say you ga6th

    Would this be a holy sh!t moment?

    It is only August. (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 11:36:31 AM EST
    There is a whole lot of campaign yet to go.

    It is encouraging news, these poll numbers, but I hesitate to get too excited. We have three months until election day. anything could happen.

    Julian Assange has promised another Wikileaks email dump closer to Election Day as part of his personal vendetta against Hillary Clinton. Nothing horrifying appeared in any of the emails we have already seen, but given the media's habit of making anything and everything about Hillary into a negative story, who knows how that will play out?

    If things continue to go this badly for Trump, well, a caged animal is, as we have been taught, very dangerous. All bets are off as to what he might do. And his supporters? Angry and armed.

    Still it is better to be ahead than behind in an election.


    Chuck Terd just intimated (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 11:42:56 AM EST
    To Ms Greenspan that he has seen private polling that suggests next week we are going to see even redder places than Georgia being in play.

    I get being cautious about over confidence.  I been saying that for a year.  Still I will do something I rarely do.  Quote Haley Barbour.

    In politics good gets better and bad gets worse.

    IMO this can't be fixed.

    I see people saying "oh, but if there is a terrorist attack THAT will help Donald"

    IMO that might have been true a month or so ago.  I believe that ship has sailed.


    Trump's pet garden slug Roger Stone (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 12:24:48 PM EST
    said "there will be blood in the streets".

    I think the (none / 0) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 01:03:59 PM EST
    biggest danger in all this is Trump's supporters. South and North GA are full of them and they are armed to the teeth for an insurrection. I would hate to think that Hillary's first year in office she would have to put down the Georgia Militia but honestly it's downright ugly with them.

    And yes, a lot can happen between now and November but it isn't going to be from Assange or the media. The media has lost its power over voters.


    I was quoting R Stone on this (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 04:13:58 PM EST
    The other day.  I can't imagine this really happening to any significant extent.  Can you?

    There might be a few Cliven Bundyesque kerfuffels.  Probably only further discrediting this whole know nothing BS movement.  

    I was giggling in another comment about some republican thinking the base would have to own what they had done.  I don't believe for a second that will happen but what might happen is that the saner among them might finally realize they are nothing but a bunch of Batsh!t crazy morons with nothing even resembling a political future and cut them lose once and for all to join the Birchers.


    I really (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 04:28:43 PM EST
    have no idea. They could get really ugly or they could just give up the ghost.

    I think they're already in the process of cutting them loose when you look at Kansas. The civil war rages in the GOP and the moderates are looking to take out the tea party candidates.


    I say (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 12:59:56 PM EST
    I'm doing what I can to help. Hillary's campaign sent out an email even before these polls became public and asked for people to house volunteers. I gave them my name. I am probably going to volunteer to phone bank after Labor Day. I always have known that Hillary had the best chance of carrying GA of any candidate in a long, long time. From what I have read about the internals Trump is having the problem that I said might cause him to lose GA and that is the collar counties around Atlanta. Also that poll says that Hillary gets 56% of independents in GA. If all that holds she will carry GA.

    What say you about Arkansas?


    I will be stunned (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 03:58:38 PM EST
    If anything similar happens here.  We don't have much in the way of surburbs.

    Like everything else we would be one of the last to go.  I expect.  I would love to be wrong.


    There is almost no polling (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 04:06:39 PM EST
    I could find.  Which doesnt surprise me.    One with Trump up 11.

    I will say if he loses AR this really will be an old fashioned New York Style Pig Fu@k


    Fascintating (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 01:28:17 PM EST

    Why facts don't matter to Trump supporters

    I have family that this exact behavior. You have a whole group of people in this country who reside under a siege mentality that the GOP has been cultivating for a long time. No facts or reason are going to change their minds simply because clinging to those lies apparently seem to bring them comfort under siege.

    Perusing (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 03:16:18 PM EST
    Facebook on the walls of my friends that are Trump supporters this whole thing seems to have changed nothing with them and they have bought into the meme that the Khans are terrorists. However judging by the reactions of the Republicans there must be some polling that is showing them Donald is a disaster. Whatever. They nominated Donald and they are going to be stuck with him until November unless Donald quits.

    I think the Trump die-hards (none / 0) (#2)
    by CST on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 03:39:47 PM EST
    are too invested.

    But what we are seeing/will see is some Gary Johnson/Jill Stein/No one holdouts starting to consider Hillary as a real alternative.

    At least if the polls and general internet chatter is to be believed.

    Also the whole nuke thing...  Really puts the "bust" in "Bernie or Bust" in perspective.


    I wonder if anyone has discussed (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 04:21:05 PM EST
    Paying him to quit?

    What's the over under?  And how much would it take?


    I read (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 05:20:30 PM EST
    6 billion. Don't know if that is a fact or just a rumor but it's the number that's been bandied around. Maybe the Kochs will shell it out?

    The Johnson/Stein voters add up (none / 0) (#12)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:24:03 PM EST
    in some swing states.  I saw that their voters add up to nine percent of likely voters in polling in Wisconsin.  Yes, winning them well could close the deal.

    There sure is a lot of chatter out there. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:52:33 PM EST
    I would tend to discount 99% of it, especially the blather that's presently frothing forth from an obviously panicked RNC. The solid 40% base that's been for Trump from the beginning will explode in rage and likely walk away and stand down this cycle if he's strong-armed off the ballot now. And were such an event to occur, that would pretty much doom almost everyone down ticket with an (R) behind his or her name.

    The RNC's best bet at this point is to simply suck it up, admit that the White House is beyond their reach this year, cut Trump loose to do his thing, and then pour all available resources into defending the party's hold on Congress and the state legislatures. Even then, it's going to be a tough battle.

    But the longer they continue to dither and flail about in a desperate search for a solution that that just isn't there at this juncture, the greater will be the Democrats' potential for inflicting widespread carnage on the GOP across the board in November.



    And yet, reports are that Trump (none / 0) (#17)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:59:17 PM EST
    and the RNC raised approx. $80 mil. in July. And quite a bit of that came from small internet donations.

    So, he is not without supporters, people willing to cough up the money.

    I would not count Trump out yet.


    So much for (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:01:24 PM EST
    "Self funding"

    Trump follows WC Fields motto (none / 0) (#92)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 09:10:35 PM EST
    Never give a sucker an even break

    I disagree (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:00:43 PM EST
    That's possble.  I think it's also possble that there will be a tipping point where the bottom drops out for Trump.

    There is already talk of polls getting worse.  There is a new one today from FOX that has Hillary up 10 in a 2 way and 9 in a 3 way.

    What I'm reading and hearing is that if, next week, polls start piling up with Hillary up double digits, there are already some from swing districts that have her u in the teens, that is when the panic will set in and anything is possible.


    I'm not (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:23:56 PM EST
    sure how they can get rid of him unless they've got some black mail or something. And then comes Donald's point about what about his supporters being royally ticked off. Would it be worse if he got replaced? It actually might be. I mean at least the voters voted for Trump. If they put someone else up it's going to be the candidate nobody wanted. And putting someone else up is going to make the GOP voters even madder at the establishment. They are running short of time though. A couple of weeks is all they have but honestly I think this is more hand wringing from the same crowd that wanted to oust Trump at the convention and couldn't get the votes to do it.

    I didn't mean they can get rid of him (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:30:21 PM EST
    I don't see how they can.  But saying anything is impossible in this cycle is misguided.

    I was disputing the fact that 40% will be with him no matter what.

    If polls really go south, and they totally could, they don't have to get rid of him to dump him.  Disown him.  Denounce him.  

    Right now it's just republican women saying no.  IMO that not only can change but probably will.


    I should have made myself clearer. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:46:13 PM EST
    The 40% base to which I referred is the 35-40% of Republican voters who've been with him from the very beginning, and not 40% of the American electorate overall. The RNC can't afford to alienate 40% of likely GOP voters this fall by alienating them at this late juncture. Even if only half of them walked away, that would still be disastrous for Republican candidates across the board.

    Well (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:55:22 PM EST
    It has been said that if you picked two people from the white pages and put an R after their name they would get 40% and change.

    I think that's generally true.  Donald is a special case.  IMO


    Oh, yeah (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:49:28 PM EST
    some of them already are as you know but yes if they go even further south I would imagine even more Republicans are going to be running from him.

    Though through all this he is still popular with his core of voters. I mean they think he did the right thing going against Khan because he was a Muslim and we all know how they hate Muslims even if they are in the military serving our country.


    IMO (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:52:34 PM EST
    The core you are talking about is closer to 30%.  Or less.

    That's pretty disasterous in a presidential race.  

    They are saying if he loses by 10 Dems will take the House.


    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:20:28 PM EST
    but I have to think that the estimate of Hillary haters is around 35% of the electorate. I can't imagine he would go below that but you never know.

    If Hillary broke the record for a presidential election I would laugh and laugh and enjoy heads exploding especially Maureen Dowd's.


    I think any mention of Maureen Dowd ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:26:11 PM EST
    ... should be accompanied by her optional musical soundtrack.

    You're counting on Trump being reasonable. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 07:38:59 PM EST
    Yet not only has he NOT been listening to the RNC thus far, he's been openly disdainful of them, to the admiration of his adoring white throngs. Why would he start paying attention to the pleadings of Chair Reince Priebus now? He owes nothing to them, literally.

    While I could be wrong, I think a lot of this RNC / Fox News chatter is nothing more than anonymous expression of some very wishful thinking. Trump is their nominee. The time for scheming internally against him has long since passed. As bad as things are for them right now at the top of the ticket, for the RNC to then purposely attempt to drown the horse midstream would invite upon them an even worse disaster than the one they're already facing.

    Even if Trump DID somehow agree to stand down, this guy's so mercurial and unpredictable that he might then just as likely turn around and claim that he was cheated out of a nomination he had rightfully won -- and worse still for the RNC, he'd probably have a pretty good case.

    Can you imagine the reaction of his base of crazies, were that to occur? That's akin to blowing off 40% of the GOP vote! And is the RNC willing to risk such a summary implosion at this point, just to get him off the ticket? Further, they would have to have an immediate replacement ready. What Republican in his or her right mind would agree to do it at this late date -- Mike Pence?



    One of our friends is very hurt by the Khan (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 11:24:32 PM EST
    Family attacks. She's a veteran, and an Independent like my husband. About 12 yrs ago she married, and her husband is of Middle Eastern descent. The where, we never asked, it wasn't important. Being an Indie veteran though she has friends all over the political spectrum. Today she posted how deeply hurt she is reading the things their "friends"are thoughtlessly posting. She never complains. She must really be hurting.

    No fun finding out your "friends" (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by FreakyBeaky on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 12:47:40 AM EST
    ... are thoughtless, at best.

    One thing about this campaign, it's been quite enlightening about where people really stand.


    And if His Kids Turned on Him? (none / 0) (#3)
    by RickyJim on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 03:52:45 PM EST
    Or Melania? Would that cause him to drop out or just shout "You're fired" at them?  With Donald Trump you can't be sure.  

    All they need to do (none / 0) (#32)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:10:46 PM EST
    Is convince him he is about to get his ass whipped in November. And that he will forever be remembered as The Loser. Let alone ruin his brand (probably already happened) and financial future  of his children.

    The Donald will then figure a way to withdraw from the campaign.


    He already knows he has lost. Sad! (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:23:59 PM EST
    Its why he is already complaining the election is rigged.

    Get a clue.


    No (none / 0) (#42)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:30:42 PM EST
    Not yet.  If they can convince him he will lose by double digits, he might just well figure a way to walk away.
    The man is a narcissist and blowhard, he has NOT figured it out yet.
    Like an addict, he needs to be told

    Beg to differ. The election is rigged comment (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:54:33 PM EST
    Is the tell.  He is already looking for an excuse as to explain away the loss. If he could figure out how to get out of the race gracefully, he would. No doubt if the opportunity arises he will.

    But he knows he is losing. He is doubling down on his tactics cause it's all he has. But you are not far off with the addiction idea. I refer you to the Garcia-Hunter classic- Loser.

    All that I am asking for is ten gold dollars
    And I could pay you back with one good hand
    You can look around about the wide world over
    And you'll never find another honest man.
    Everybody prayin' and drinkin' that wine
    I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines
    Come to daddy on the inside straight,
    Well I got no chance of losin' this time.

    The protagonist knows he has lost, but compulsively continues cause it's all he knows. That's Trump


    No (none / 0) (#46)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:57:49 PM EST
    He sees Madame Sec's bounce, and the thought that he might lose has entered his mind, thus the rigged comment.

    Once he is convinced that he will lose by double digits,
    He is gone, he does not want The Loser to follow him.

    He is not there yet


    Nobody can stop Trump from quitting the race. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 10:33:08 PM EST
    But the sheer and sometimes daunting logistics of conducting statewide elections (depending upon the size and geography of the state) require that ballots be printed and distributed to individual electoral districts well in advance of the actual vote.

    Thus in a few weeks hence, Trump's name will be locked onto the ballot in most all states in any event, and they're not going to incur the additional (and hefty) expense of reprinting hundreds of thousands or even millions of general election ballots to reflect any subsequent change in a candidate's active status. So if he wants to drop out, he better decide to do so in pretty short order.



    He was (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 09:14:10 PM EST
    screaming rigged long before now. He was screaming the GOP primaries were rigged and the dem primaries were rigged. Everything is rigged if they don't go his way.

    Besides do you really think he's going to walk away from that multi million dollar pay day he is going to get if he stays in the race?


    YES (none / 0) (#52)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 05:23:42 AM EST
    Not that he will, but he just might. One , there is no payday at the end,
    If he continues on this course of self destruction, he will continue to be polling behind double digits.
    He will  be known as The Loser....Forever

    He already has money (but might have permanently damaged his brand), but the stigma of The Loser is one he would hate, and drive him even more batshit crazy.

    If he could walk away, somewhat respectfully, he just might. Health issue, or whatever thought pops into his mind.
    He is right, the primaries and the nominating process is rigged, and he still prevailed. (Ask Bernie).


    Oh, yes (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 05:37:35 AM EST
    there is a pay day. Candidates get to keep all the money since Citizen's United. So he can rake in millions and since he's certainly not spending much of the money he could easily walk away with who knows how many millions.

    No, the primaries are not rigged and if they are rigged it would be in Bernie's or Trump's favor. Bernie got half of his delegates from extremely undemocratic caucuses but then I would not expect you to understand.

    Again, you are shopping yet another white knight of politics theory. There is not going to be any white knight to come and save you or the GOP. We have a saying here in GA if you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. The GOP should just have to deal with it. They made their bed.


    You (none / 0) (#54)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 05:55:19 AM EST
    Disqualify yourself with this comment.
    No, the primaries are not rigged and if they are rigged it would be in Bernie's or Trump's favor. Bernie got half of his delegates from extremely undemocratic caucuses but then I would not expect you to understand.

    They are rigged for party insiders, outsiders like The Bern and The Donald have a uphill fight.

    And The Donald, to be forever branded The Loser, oh, I think he will walk past any amount of change.

    there is a pay day. Candidates get to keep all the money since Citizen's United.

    SuperPac's? Candidates get to keep that money? That is new to me.

    You don't (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 06:17:37 AM EST
    even understand primaries so I'm not surprised you would say that. And your point about primaries being rigged falls apart because Donald won the GOP nomination EASILY. Hillary probably would have won the primary 75/25 if it weren't for the caucuses that were "rigged to favor Bernie". Look no further than states like Nebraska and Washington where the voting greatly differed from the caucus results.

    No, Trevor, any money they raise for their campaign they get to keep. Donald can stay in and get literally millions and millions for himself.


    That (none / 0) (#57)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 06:39:35 AM EST
    No, Trevor, any money they raise for their campaign they get to keep. Donald can stay in and get literally millions and millions for himself.

    I am not clear on, couldn't fnid anything .  And how did Citizens United create this? I googled Citizens United and couldn't find any reference to candidates keeping campaign donations

    there is a pay day. Candidates get to keep all the money since Citizen's United. So he can rake in millions and since he's certainly not spending much of the money he could easily walk away with who knows how many millions

    By "insiders" (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 06:30:38 AM EST
    They are rigged for party insiders, outsiders like The Bern and The Donald have a uphill fight.

    Do you mean that party members tend to favor and work for candidates who have supported, worked for, and built relationships within that party, as opposed to favoring those candidates who just dropped in to use the media exposure and $$ that comes with being in said party?


    Please don't make declarative statements ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 07:34:43 AM EST
    ... about things you obviously know nothing about, which in this case is both political primaries and campaign finance law.

    If anyone should be "disqualified," it's you for ignorantly claiming -- once again, without any evidence to back it up -- that the process is "rigged for party insiders."

    Were that actually the case, Eric Cantor would still be the House Majority Leader, and 10 incumbent Kansas state legislators allied to Gov. Sam Brownback, including the State Senate Majority Leader, wouldn't have lost their seats in yesterday's Republican primary in that state.

    As far as members of Congress being able to keep campaign contributions, you are wrong. While federal law since 1989 has prohibited congressional candidates and incumbents from directly tapping their campaign committee's funds for personal use, the law does have a loophole which allows retiring members to dispose of their remaining PAC monies pretty much as they please when they close down their campaigns.

    Most retired members end up giving the money away to favorite charities or setting up foundations to support favored causes or award scholarships, but not everyone does that. Sen. Evan Bayh -- who wants to return to Capitol Hill -- set up a new "All America PAC" to support Democrats running for office, and transferred the entire remaining $13 million balance from his old leadership PAC into his new one. And it's all legal.



    Please read more carefully, (none / 0) (#65)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 04:47:51 PM EST
    or you may appear more ignorant than you already are.
    Presidential primaries were being discussed, as I specifically reference The Donald and The Bern. And yes presidential primaries are rigged for party insiders, outsiders like The Bern and The Donald have a uphill to fight to beat the Establishment favorite.
    And if you read more carefully, instead of your bombastic clueless reply,
    I never claimed any knowledge of campaign finance law. I only questioned how did Citizens United enable The Donald from profiting millions.
    And even from your explanation, it appears that he doesn't personally profit, so than you for that explanation.
    You actually have so many personality characteristics of The Donald from Queens, I would suggest that The Donald from Hawaii and The Donald from Queens were separated at birth. Both still maintain that 9th grade sports star mentality, that verbal bully speaking insultingly and condescendingly upon those in the "out" crowd, and then peering over his shoulder to see if he got the appreciative guffaws from his fellow in crowd.
    The Donald from Hawaii and The Donald from Queens, The original Mean Girls

    Grow up, Trevor. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 07:50:12 PM EST
    You obviously know squat about campaigns and the laws which govern them, yet you think you can BS your way through a related conversation and shut it down by being obnoxious.

    You told Molly that state primaries were rigged to favor insiders. The results from this week's Kansas GOP primary proves you wrong. The number of incumbent Republican state legislators who were both allied to Gov. Brownback and yet got tossed out on their ears has now risen to 14, eight from the State House and six from the State Senate.

    Hell, the very fact that Donald Trump is the GOP presidential nominee proves you wrong. He was certainly not the preferred candidate of the RNC elite in D.C.

    I already showed that you were wrong about campaign finance law, and I'm not going to repeat myself. Given the immaturity you've shown in these threads, it's quite likely that I've likely been working in politics longer than you've even been alive.

    You're in no position to lecture anyone about these matters. And in that regard, you're simply trolling this site to stir up trouble. If you can't be civil and resist the urge to call people names, then I'm under no obligation to treat your opinions with any deference or respect.



    He's very very sad (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 08:01:15 AM EST
    About Marco.

    That much is true (none / 0) (#91)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 08:48:39 PM EST
    He would be up by double digits if he was running.

    He has (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 09:25:36 PM EST
    the same stances as Trump so no he wouldn't be up by double digits. I mean do you think that advocating for women to be birthing slaves for rapists would change those 40 point deficits for the GOP in places like the Philly suburbs? Apparently you see the GOP's problem as not their stances but the way they speak. Name a candidate in the GOP and they're all exchangeable with Trump. We would all be laughing at the Rubiobot by now if he was the nominee. Heck, Chris Christie is the one that made him into a laughingstock.

    Maybe 15 pts (none / 0) (#94)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 05:37:30 AM EST
    Almost everyone knows....except you

    Vast differences between Rubio and Trump, every other Republican candidate and Trump

    Trumps main problem is also not his positions

    It's his mouth, which is not connected a brain

    Trump actually has positions closer to Democrats than any other candidate that was running

    The polls just indicate that voters are realizing Trump is an idiot with no filter


    No, (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 06:17:33 AM EST
    Trump's problems ARE his positions. And you just said the GOP's problem in a nutshell. Rubio's mouth was not connected to a brain either and even the GOP voters saw how bad he was except for you. The problem is the GOP and their ideas. They are antiquated and out of date. In 2012 the whole GOP convention was about returning to the late 1800's. This year it was returning to the 1600's. Trump appeared downright moderate on a lot of things compared to Rubio in those debates.

    I mean if someone like Chris Christie could turn Rubio into a national laughingstock he would be easy pickings for Hillary. And you don't even realize that instead of Trump getting 2/3 of the GOP vote Rubio would be getting even less in a general election because he's Hispanic.


    The 2 Donalds Separated at birth (none / 0) (#90)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 08:48:05 PM EST
    shut it down by being obnoxious.
     Sorry , that is your standard operating procedure, not mine.
    You told Molly that state primaries were rigged to favor insiders
      Never happened, responded to Georgia, stating The Bern and The Donald were fighting rigged primaries

    I already showed that you were wrong about campaign finance law

    Again, I never claimed anything regarding campaign finance law, I questioned Georgia s claim regarding Citizens United
    If you can't be civil and resist the urge to call people names,

    And this is the coup de grace, you have called more people names than anyone on this blog.
    In fact, you now remind me of BOTH presidential candidates, The Donald from Hawaii, just like The Donald from Queens, can never just say , he was wrong, and like Madame Sec, appears to be quite the liar.

    He's (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 08:26:31 PM EST
    going to stay in and raise money. With Citizen's United he can keep all the money he raised fleecing the rubes to himself. Who knew Neo Nazis and Klansmen loved to support presidential campaigns? I bet that's an untapped well of money plus all the talk radio bubble people he can tap for more and more money.

    I heard last night on the news (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 09:06:08 AM EST
    He's almost caught Hillary on her July fundraising, which was a jaw dropping sum. Of course when contributing to Clinton, and they read the fine print to you on the phone you discover that when Clinton is covered your funds can then travel to down ticket races. So Trump isn't raising funds for down ticket races?

    My understanding (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 04, 2016 at 10:15:13 AM EST
    is the way Hillary has it set up is that if you go over $2700 the money automatically gets sent to her victory fund. Now you can set up fundraising that doesn't do that as Bernie did but if you are not meticulous about accounting it can get in trouble with the FEC like Bernie got in trouble with them.

    I really have no idea if Trump is raising money for down tickets. I seem to believe he is not and probably doesn't have to since the Kochs seem to be paying all the bills for down ticket.


    General election ballots in most states ... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 03:59:55 PM EST
    ... will be printed in September, so there is literally only a few weeks remaining for the RNC to name a replacement, assuming that Trump withdraws voluntarily by then. Otherwise, his name will remain on the ballot regardless of whatever happens afterward.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 04:11:48 PM EST
    and I was reading that if they don't get his name off the ballot it creates a lot of problems as in some states the electoral college can just vote for the Republican while others would have to vote for Trump if his name was on the ballot.

    Here in GA we have the electronic machines so I'm not sure how far ahead that kind of thing has to be done. Of course, did you know that Hillary owns the voting machines according to Trump supporters?


    Yes, and even then (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 03, 2016 at 06:25:48 PM EST
    someone on tv said that the September 1 deadline, the latest it can go, is for states that add up to 278 electoral votes.  So, it has to be sooner.

    Another scathing republicans hating Tr@mp (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 09:15:49 AM EST
    piece on POLITICO

    pretty much more of the same but this quote stood out.  It gives you an idea how completely clueless these republicans continue to be about their base.  It's almost funny.

    "Trump won the nomination," a Michigan Republican said. "He should lose fair and square. Only then will the party base have to reckon with what they've done."
    "I want Trump to feel the blame for this loss," added an Iowa Republican, "not put it on the doorstep of `the Establishment.'"

    There is so much self delusion in that one short quote it would take an essay to unpack it.   The whole article could be a career.

    The best (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 05, 2016 at 09:48:49 AM EST
    quote was they are damned if they do and damned if they don't do anything about Trump.

    Trump reminds me of Zimmerman (none / 0) (#100)
    by banshee on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 08:41:04 AM EST
    He's either Lying or Bragging.

    Or bragging (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 06, 2016 at 08:52:09 AM EST
    About lying